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wvParticipantOur enemies are massing their armies.
Mordor is stirring.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantThis is like the day before a Ram Playoff game,
against Dallas.
At Dallas.I know i shouldnt get my hopes up. I mean this is the Amerikan public we are counting on. The amerikan fucking public.
I’d sooner count on an electorate made up of Orcs and Zombies.
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vwvParticipanti talked to a middle-aged, Pennsylvanian, white female nurse today. She voted for Trump last time.
Said she was voting for Bernie this time.
I asked her why. She said Trump has said some callous and insensitive things relating to the coronavirus. It bothered her. Plus she liked the idea of free college. Said she could never afford to send her young son to college.Ok…so thats…one.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantBiden’s Super Tuesday strategy…did not include spending much money or campaigning in person over the last month.
wvParticipantI wonder if this helps Biden or Bernie or Both or Neither.
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vwvParticipantMarch 1, 2020 at 5:06 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111795wvParticipantRogan — “listen to Kyle Kalinski, Jimmy Dore, The Hill…”
wvParticipantCorporatist-Dems might prefer Trump to Bernie.
Would some Progressives prefer Trump to a Corporate-Dem who was nominated by “super-delegates” ? Maybe.
wvParticipantwvParticipantIsnt South Carolina a Southern Red State? Or not? I have no idea.
I’m just not that interested in the solid-red southern states. I’m interested in the Big States and the swing states.
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But they do sound extreme to Trump supporters. Believe me-I talk to them every day ! It just seems so very simple to me: this is a contest. The idea of a contest is to win. Sanders will not win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania-game over.==========================
Waterfield thats just silly. You dont talk to ALLLL the Trump supporters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. You dont even talk to one percent of them.
You….dont….know how those States are going to go. No-one does.Its going to be close.
Bernie could win, if the same voters who voted for Obama, vote for Bernie. And thats just ‘one’ path.
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And by doing so you are actually equating any democrat except Sanders to Trump ! That’s just being silly. (“if you can’t play by my rules I’m taking the ball and going home”). You simply do not see how dangerous Trump is and will continue to be when it comes to the protection of the environment, the plight of the less fortunate, the health and safety of minorities and disabled, the continued destruction of our judicial system, the widening of the economic inequality,etc. You simply do not appear to care about these things.========================
Well, thats not exactly true, but there’s enough truth to it, that i wont argue with your characterization.
I would phrase it like this — Trump is driving us all off a cliff at 90 miles per hour. A corporate-centrist, like Obama/Clinton/Kerry would drive us off the cliff at 75 miles per hour. Is there a difference? Yeah. 15 miles per hour.
Would that difference matter in the long run — Not when we go over the cliff.So, yeah, i liken the Corporate-Dems to the Corporate-Reps. Trump is a Corporate-Rep. Remember the Corporate-Reps are all right there with him. Its not like any of them are fighting his agenda.
You say i dont see the danger in Trump. I say, you dont see the danger in the Corpse-dems. Ah well. Nothing personal here, for me. Just a political difference. I used to take this shit personally, but i just dont anymore. I’m resigned to the apocalypse.
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vwvParticipant“… Two hats, perhaps. Or more. Aspirational versus realistic, etc. …”
==============Exactly. And there’s a lot of conversation-paths that could branch off from that notion.
What counts as ‘realistic’ and what counts as actual ‘reform’ etc? Hillary? Biden?
Etc, etc.And then you have the always-present problem on the left of the “purists” vs “reformers”. Left Politics is a long long long dynamic of fracturing and fracturing and fracturing from within. I mean, have you ever read some of the history of the American socialist movement around the time of the Russian Revolution — It was comical. I bet They couldnt agree on what kind of bullets to use to shoot robber-barons….
wvParticipantReally good video, WV.
Finally saw who you had mentioned, over on the side of the website, and wanted to give it a listen.
Had never heard of him before, but I agree with the vast majority of what he said. Capitalism is the problem. As long as it exists as the legal economic mode of production, we can’t have democracy. It will always own the government. In my view, it’s just impossible. Capitalism is, in fact, economic apartheid. It’s easily the most immoral and destructive economic system in world history, and the first to take over the entire globe — which makes it all the more deadly.
I liked that the Finnish guy called socialism “economic democracy,” which is my take as well. It’s what I argue with others on and offline when I defend it . . . especially when they play the Stalin card. If we go to socialism, that means we replace economic apartheid with economic democracy. But few Americans will ever get this. Too many generations of gaslighting have fogged them up too much.
Do you agree with him about Dore overall, and his calling him a “liberal”? You know Dore. I really don’t, outside some of the videos you’ve posted here. It surprised me initially when he said that. But I think he makes a pretty good case for it, while complimenting Dore for being among the most “woke” liberals. Woke, in this case, meaning class-conscious.
Would enjoy reading your take on it.
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I think he ‘may’ be right about Dore, but I dunno. My take on Dore is more like he’s not easy to label. I mean how many critical-thinkers can really be ‘reduced’ down to this or that single word, like ‘socialist’ or whatever. I mean so much of what we support just depends on the context. Like, if someone asked me would i support a tax-increase on the rich, or a bigger tax on corporations, I’d say, “Yes, I support that”. Does that make me a ‘liberal’? Am i always supposed to say “Well i really support the dismantling of corporate-personhood, and corporate capitalism, and raising-taxes on corporations is just useless reformism and doesnt get to the root of the problem…blah blah blah…”
It gets tricky. I think Dore supports decent reforms. But that doesnt mean hes a liberal. He ‘might’ be. But maybe he just supports liberal reforms for strategic reasons, etc.
I’d vote for Bernie. But that doesnt make me a liberal-capitalist. In my case it just means, I dont believe in a “Revolution or Nothing” approach.
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vwvParticipantOne other thing about Sanders. He isn’t a hypocrite. He has not been duplicitous in his career. All of the other candidates have been, and that is the kind of vulnerability Trump has a nose for, and will exploit endlessly. Trump defines his opponents. Every single one of them. He can’t define Bernie because Bernie is what he is, always has been, and owns it.
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I think this is HUGE. Cant be underestimated.
I’ll keep going back to Joe Rogan. Because i think he represents a type of voter that the Dems NEED. He switched to Bernie because he said he TRUSTS Bernie.
He didnt talk a lot about Bernie’s policies. He wasnt even sure Bernie’s policies were the right ones — but…he…TRUSTS Bernie. He’s used words like that over and over. Its an ’emotional’ thing. People….trust…Bernie. They dont trust establishment politicians anymore.None of that means i think Bernie ‘will win.’ Who the fuck knows if Bernie will win or Trump will win or if the DNC-Cheat-Candidate will win. Who knows.
Things are confusing nowadays. In flux. Dogs and Cats raining from the skies.w
vwvParticipant“That aside…W’s central point is to encourage us to vote blue no matter who because…Trump.”
Of course that is my point ! Can’t see how that was missed. Once the Democrats pick a nominee ideology becomes irrelevant in my mind. It could be Bernie, Ho Chi Minh, or Mr. Magoo for all I care. That is how dangerous I see Trump. My problem is that Trump sees Bernie as an easy target. Less so for the others. And I think he is right. If he’s the nominee I pray I’m wrong.
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Nah, I wont vote for a pro-one-percent-Dem, if he is the nominee because the pro-one-percent-DNC cheats Bernie, AGAIN. I’m sure a lot of progressives will go ahead and hold their noses and vote for a pro-corporate-dem, but a lot of progressives will just stay home, vote Green Party or….move to Thailand.
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vFebruary 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm in reply to: DNC Superdelegate for Brokered Decision Is GOP Donor & Health Care Lobbyist #111707wvParticipantIve been skimming Barbara Ehrenreich’s “Natural Causes.” She talks about how the baby-boomers have bought into all the “health and wellness” industry’s corporate approaches to “staying healthy” and “living longer” etc. Yoga, Vitamins, Gym Memberships, etc, etc, etc. Gazillion dollar bizness.
One of the many facets of the “health and wellness” mentality can be “testing”. Lots and lots of medical “testing”. Go to a dentist and they want X-Rays. “Standard procedure.” Doctors love to order testing these days. Mammagrams, Colonoscopies, you name it. Ehrenreich goes against the grain and argues its not about ‘health’ its often about Profit. The American Doctors have a financial interest in ordering Tests. And the test equipment is so precise now it can find flaws in everything. Have enuff tests and the equipment WILL find something. Which means…more testing.
Capitalist-Medicine. Profit motive is ruining medicine.
Capitalist-Education. Profit motive is ruining education.
Capitalist-Media. Profit motive is ruining democracy.And on and on and on.
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vwvParticipantI agree WV, I think Bernie can kick Trump’s ass…..
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Ok, but i have no idea, if Bernie can kick the Donald’s ass. I assume it will be REAL close, either way. Real…close.
Could go either way.
But i like bernie’s chances. The Progressives have waited so long. It’s their turn to try, for a change. Ya know. If the Country rejects it, so be it.
But its time to try. They’ve waited since….McGovern? How long is that?w
vwvParticipantTrump wants Sanders as an opponent because he knows he can beat him in those decisive states. Nevertheless, if he is the nominee I will fight for him like I’ve never fought before. I only hope if a “moderate” is nominated each of you will do the same. The stakes are really high here.
Trump has already beat a moderate in those decisive states…. the question is, will HRC, Biden, Bloom, Pocahantas, Mayor Pete etc stand behind and rally behind Bernie, like he did with HRC in 2016?
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Can you imagine how much fun Trump would have against:
Biden — the bumbling, fumbling, doddering, drooling, dull, same-old-same-ole Corporate Dem. Good Lord. Biden — Mr Excitement. Heck John Kerry was more exciting. Gore, was more exciting.
Bloomberg — The most disgusting Weasel in the field. A nightmare. Oh yeah, can you see Latinos and Blacks and young voters coming out for Bloomberg? Another corrupt Billionaire. Jeezus.
Buttachex? — He’d be like a lamb to the slaughter against Trump. Zero gravitas. He’s like a little weasely altar boy. Trump would chew him up and spit him out.
Warren? — I dunno. Her star has fallen so far, I just dont see it. Seems like another Hillary.
Klobachar? — Really? Please.
That leaves the guy who has already been thru the Wars. There’s nothing Trump can throw at him that he didnt see in 2016.
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vwvParticipantWaterfield NONE of us knows if Bernie or ANYONE else could beat Trump. No-One knows. No-one…knows.
But from what the polls show, Bernie has as good or better chance than any of the other Dems. But who knows.
At any rate, SINCE we cant possibly KNOW, who will win (its gonna be close)
why not just vote for the one who mostly closely represents yer views.If Bernie wins California (which he will) and Texas (?) then he’s gonna be the nominee barring typical DNC-corrupt-tactics.
PS — fwiw, one leftist’s opinion — i think the DNC ‘uses’ all this “bernie isnt electable’ crap, as cover for its disgusting undemocratic pro-corporate tactics.
The DNC tells itself its got a noble purpose
, ie., ‘stopping an unelectable candidate’ — to cover up the disgusting tactics it uses. Thats what humans do, you know. There’s always a ‘noble purpose’ behind the disgusting stuff.“The brain is a self-justifying organ”
Dan Wilew
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vFebruary 27, 2020 at 8:09 pm in reply to: Robert B. Reich: Sanders might be the safest choice #111684wvParticipantwvParticipantAnother entire article on Gurley and ‘the plan’ and not a single mention of his arthritic knee. No questions about it, no answers. Just vague comparisons to Whitworth and WRs.
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vFebruary 26, 2020 at 12:27 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111654wvParticipant<
Dem-Media, GOP-Media, corporate America and the capitalist system, they all gotta go.
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Take a little listen to a few mins of the FinnishBolshevik, in the post below. I started the vid at the 19 minute mark. He goes on an ornery leftist rant.
Whether his points are accurate or not aint interesting to me — its his angry-rant. I identify with it. The leftist rage. I carry it, too. I dont even know who i’d be without it, anymore. Ah well.w
vFebruary 26, 2020 at 8:51 am in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #111649wvParticipantAs far as I know, that has never been said, by any Democrat-Prez candidate in history.
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vFebruary 25, 2020 at 8:07 pm in reply to: Top DNC Committee is Packed With Corporate Lobbyists #111637wvParticipantFebruary 25, 2020 at 7:47 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111636wvParticipantSo the media-bias against bernie has made it to late-night comedy. Better late, than never:
February 25, 2020 at 7:44 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111631wvParticipantDoes Bernie “need the establishment” to win?
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