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wvParticipantDemocrat from Michigan, who is for Medicare For All, playing it down the middle between Biden and Bernie…
…oh and note how it takes a Fox News guy, to take note of how the “rules were changed to exclude Tulsi, but the rules were changed to allow Bloomberg IN…”
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wvParticipantwvParticipantUSA Today’s take on Warren’s Voting Bloc and the viciousness of Bernie’s supporters.
I know, I’m vicious. I dunno about Nittany. Sometimes I dont think he’s really as vicious as he could be.
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Elizabeth Warren’s exit doesn’t mean Bernie Sanders gets her progressive supporters, experts say,
Ledyard King,Rebecca Morin, Maureen Groppe
USA TODAYWASHINGTON – Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s departure from the Democratic presidential race has removed any competition Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders faced for progressive voters.
But that doesn’t mean he’ll automatically get her supporters.
Though Sanders shares the Massachusetts senator’s liberal ideology and her efforts to rein in the reach of corporations, her supporters tended to be college-educated women who backed structural changes rather than the political “revolution” Sanders consistently champions.
The areas she did well in during an otherwise disappointing Super Tuesday included upscale suburbs of Northern Virginia, the Raleigh Durham, N.C., area and Nashville, Tennessee.
And some Warren supporters remain angry at Sanders for not getting out of the race in 2016 and endorsing Hillary Clinton sooner than he did, and for allegedly telling Warren in December that a woman could never win the presidency – a claim he characterized as “ludicrous.”
Youth absence:Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders’ losses
“I don’t know that Sanders is the second choice of Warren’s voters,” said Matt Dallek, a professor of political management at George Washington University. “I don’t necessarily see her withdrawal helping Sanders very much, if at all.”
Warren told Rachel Maddow in an interview on MSNBC Thursday night that she had a “short” conversation with Sanders about the viciousness of some of his supporters. Many have attacked the Massachusetts Senator for not dropping out earlier to endorse Sanders before Super Tuesday, where he fell short in several states.
wvParticipantwvParticipantWhoaa Boy! Krystal Ball is one lucky lady. A throuple with wv and zooey!.
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Yup. Prettymuch every young-beautiful woman’s dream.
I used to have crushes on Farrah, Cheryl Tiegs, Audrey Hepburn.
Now, its Krystal Ball, Jill Stein, Richard Wolff.I dunno what happened.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantWell, I saw an argument that actually Super Tuesday was bad for Biden because – while he won some states he shouldn’t have – he underperformed overall compared to Clinton vs Sanders. Maybe I will stick it in the ST thread.
I’ve decided to marry Krystal Ball, btw.
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Well, i hope Krystal is polyamorous, because I would marry her too.
Warren is stuck as far as supporting either Biden or Bernie. If she supports Biden it reveals to everyone she was a ‘fake’ progressive all along. If she supports Bernie…well…she’d actually have to be progressive to do that…
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vwvParticipantTaibbi:
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Progressives all over the internet think Bernie should attack Biden.
I dunno if that would help or not. (I dont think it would help with Black Voters) But it just aint Bernie. He attacks policies. Thats just how he rolls.
I think Bernies chances are slim now. I dont think his numbers add up without a huge dose of Black Voters.
Whatever chance he has ‘may’ come down to a couple of debates. Maybe Biden just implodes er somethin. Doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump.
Joe Biden vs Donald Trump.Think about the big picture here. This is Amerika. What does it say?
perhaps, It says take the next boat to Thailand 🙂
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vwvParticipantMaybe you can say it’s older black voters in northern states because in places like Minnesota, Massachusetts, California Bernie exit polls indicate that Biden beat Bernie by a much, much smaller margin than in the South.
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Well, whether its ‘older Southern,’ or just ‘older,’ or ‘older and middle-aged’ or whatever — Its bad.
Ironically, the Black voters that vote for Biden, thinking they are being loyal to Obama or whatever — may just actually end up getting Biden elected and then LOSING to Trump. So being loyal to Obama’s legacy just may end up giving black families four more years of Trump.
Lots of weird ironies, here.
Then again who knows.
But i guess Michigan will tell us a lot about the Dem Primary, at least.
Biden is ahead in the polls, i believe.w
vwvParticipantNafta. Wall Street Bail Outs VS. I worked with Obama.
——————————wvParticipantAnd…btw…this whole “Bernie Bros were mean” thing just tells you everything about Warren, don’t it? Like…she could be making the rounds talking about Medicare for All and banking problems and climate change, but she’s going around whining to Maddow and whomever about Bernie Bros. Where are those progressive causes you care about, Liz?
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I’ve thot a lot about this “bernie bros” thing. I hear about it a lot, here in WV, from all kinds of people, but especially Hillary and Warren supporters.
I cant explain all of it, but I know ‘part’ of it, has to do with the Kinds of things progressives just naturally say about Centrists/Corporate-Liberals. The basic progressive/leftist critique is…oh…its a bit ugly to hear if you are on the receiving end of it. Think of all the ugliness you’ve seen between Libs and Leftists. I think part of it is just that progressive/leftists are attacking some sensitive/core issues. If you are a lib its pretty hard to NOT take it as a withering personal attack.
At any rate, i dont think the Bernie-Bro thing is hurting Bernie. We know whats hurting Bernie. Bernie didnt work for an African-American President.
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vwvParticipantNewt Gingrich – advice for Bernie — bring up Hunter 🙂
wvParticipantwvParticipant“if Bernie cant beat Biden he doesn’t deserve to win…”
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I don’t claim to know a great deal about American politics. I understand that Sanders is further left than Biden, though. Furthermore, I read threads here periodically, so I have a cursory understanding of how people on this board feel about the candidates. I clearly don’t know enough about Biden’s history beyond being Obama’s VP, however. .========================
Biden is the Establishment’s Choice. The CIA choice.Here’s what the Establishment is:
wvParticipantMarch 10th
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Michigan 125
Misouri 68
Mississ 36
North Dakota 14
Washington 89
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Florida 219
Ohio 136
Illinois 155
Ariz 67
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April 28
NY 274
Pennsylv 186wvParticipantDeeds not words. As George (GOT) Martin says, words are wind.
If Carlson could point to actual anti-corporate actions by Trump and the GOP, he could at least begin to make an argument that the GOP is the antidote. But he can’t. They slashed corporate taxes from 35% to 21%; radically deregulated business even more than it was already deregulated; and sped up privatization — including public lands for fossil fuel companies. They’ve been a thousand fold better for corporate America than the Dems, and the Dems have been berry berry good to them.
Any leftist pissed off at the Dems’ neoliberalism should be absolutely furious at the GOP’s version. It’s soft neoliberalism versus high test. Hell, the GOP recently blocked a Dem bill trying to prevent price gouging by Big Pharma in the wake of the coronavirus. The list is endless when it comes to GOP support for the worst of the worst corporate America practices. Yeah, the Dems are complicit, and they suck, but the GOP is outright aggressively proactive on their behalf.
Aspirational versus reality: We live in a binary political world, tragically. There is no aspect of American life in which the GOP is the better choice. None. No how. No way. Carlson’s gaslighting is all too obvious.
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Well I agree with every word you said about Tucker, BT.
But thats all just a ‘given’ to me. The reason i posted it was to give a clue about how Fox will cover Biden. Looks like they will hit on “establishment tool” and “dottering old senile puppet” and “Obama, Obama, Obama”.
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vwvParticipantAfter Tuesday, I don’t know how you can say that Bernie doesn’t have a problem with black voters.
Southern and older. That was true of Biden before the election. Same data shows younger black voters support him.
And you list only southern states.
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Yeah its more nuanced than the MSM’s version.
But Many African-Americans are apparently voting for Biden because of the connection with Obama. I dont think there’s much Bernie can do about that. I see all kinds of leftists advising him to ‘change his message’ somehow to fight Biden or attract Black voters — but I dunno what else he can do. Biden just has the Obama-Advantage, in the primaries, with Older and Southern Black-Voters.
We KNOW those same voters would vote for Bernie if it was Trump vs Bernie.
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vwvParticipantThe view from Fox – “are the Democrats really gonna do this”
wvParticipantYes, Nathan. And now…this is how wv-stoneheart feels:
wvParticipantwvParticipantAfrican-American vote seems to be hammering Sanders. Biden linked to Obama. Ah well.
wvParticipantGo ahead-vote green if you must- make a statement.
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I intend to vote my conscience. Go ahead and do the same.
And yes, its a black black black day for the Biosphere, the Polar Bears, Poor People in America, and Poor People who will be bombed by Biden/Trump.
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vwvParticipantOh, and watch how the MSM will turn into an absolute LOVEFEST for Bernie and Progressives, if it becomes obvious Biden will be the Nominee. Those lowlife-weasels will fall all over themselves trying to ingratiate themselves to progressives. First they smear the left, and then they love the left. Ya know.
All one big family, Unite against Trump, etc, etc — Gag me.w
vwvParticipantBlack, black, black Wednesday. Black day for poor people. Black day for Polar Bears. Black day for poor and sick people, with no health care. Black day for people who care about Peace and Justice.
Well, i wouldnt vote for Biden if you put a gun to my head. I’ll be voting Green again. Yall, do what feels right to you. I will never do the ‘lesser evil’ thing again. Too late in the game for me to do that. Just wouldnt feel right, voting for a Biosphere-Killer. Its all symbolic at this point, but I dont want my name on a ballot voting for a Killer.
And thankyou California. How did THEY not get all dummed-down? How did ‘that’ happen?
Oh, and Fuck the South.
Carry on,
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vwvParticipantNice summary by Krystal.
wvParticipantI think its best for all to avoid the “if I can’t have it my way I’m going to take my ball and go home”.
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Did you ever once, denounce what the DNC did to Bernie in 2016? The cheating?
I’m just curious. They have a history of cheating. You know that, right?w
vMarch 3, 2020 at 10:21 am in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #111872wvParticipantRegardless if you believe Bernie is anti-science, associating himself with Williamson is a major blunder, IMO. This is disappointing.
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Oh, i disagree totally. I think that would be like distancing himself from Rogan just because Rogan has some batshit crazy ideas.
Too much purism can really whittle down yer allies to zero.
I want her new-age voting bloc.
Williamson is a LOT of things. Some of them Good. Shes not ‘just-and-only’ an anti-vaxer. I think its a mistake to ‘reduce’ her to only that. All in all, I think she’s a more positive force than, say, 95 percent of Congress.
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vMarch 2, 2020 at 9:12 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111855wvParticipantwvParticipantyes, Tejas is the pivotal state of Super Tuesday….. btw The Rams are 3-2 in playoff games vs the Cowboys in Dallas……..
fucking Amy K and Mayor Pete are full of shit…..
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Yeah, they are corporate dirtbags for sure, but ya know…I’m fine with their decisions to drop out. I just think Bernie has to stand or fall against one-centrist-candidate. Ya know. Either he has the support of Dem-Voters or he doesnt.
There’s nothing ‘unfair’ about all these centrist candidates uniting behind one of their own.Now we actually get to see what Bernie’s support really is. Is he a mirage or not? A paper-tiger, only formidable against a bunch of centrists who split their votes?
I want to see what his real support turns out to be.
I am not optimistic. All the old polls are shit now. We dunno what will happen.
Can a fucking progressive actually win over the electorate? It hasnt happened since McGovern. Can it happen now? We shall see.
Progressives cant whine about this. This is centrist-hardball, but its not unfair.
Bring it on. Lets see.
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