“Is Trump a genuine menace to constitutional order and the rule of law? Demonstrably….
…This is an important day, a momentous day, a historic day…”
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Well, i get that point of view, and i respect it, but my own view is just simply darker than that. It all comes down to just how bad you think the “constitutional order” really, actually, truly, IS. Is there really, truly, actually, a “rule of law” that is even close to the ‘textbook’ version?

If you think a flawed, but fairly decent government existed before Trump, then
sure, its an ‘important, momentous day,’ etc.

But if you have a darker view of what existed before trump — then the whole entire thing just looks like a sham.

For me the entire system needs impeached. For me, this is just like removing a CEO from Monsanto or Haliburton. Its another version of ‘one bad apple’ in a fine orchard.

What modern president hasn’t authorized horrendous, murderous things?

So for me, impeachment just doesnt matter. To me. Doesnt matter one way
or the other.

‘Tactically’ I suspect it helps the Dems a bit, fwiw.

Anyway, blah blah blah 🙂

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Zooey wrote:

On his way to class, a leftist English teacher is stopped by another English teacher, a bright guy who is not a leftist.

Not Leftist (with wild, excited eyes): Hey! Are you teaching The Things They Carried (an excellent Vietnam book) this term?

Leftist: Yeah. Finishing it up right now.

Not Leftist (eagerly): Did you hear about the whole thing that was running in the Washington Post?

Leftist (something about the book? About O’Brien? About Vietnam?): Uh…?

Not Leftist (bursting at the seams): Afghanistan! They’ve been lying about it for 18 years! They’ve been covering up that we’re not getting anywhere.

Leftist: Um….

Not Leftist (Touchdown!): Like Vietnam!

Leftist (who finally sees what we’re doing here, and is staggered by the fact that the fairly bright Not Leftist has just learned that Afghanistan is a quagmire): Um…yeah, I read some of that…(but stopped because there was not one goddamn thing in the article that was news)…amazing.

Not Leftist: Just going in circles pointlessly, like The Things They Carried.

Leftist: Yeah. Cool. Thanks. Good connection. Gotta go. (shuffles off to job that is feels close to pointless some days).

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Yup.

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Billy_T wrote:

…Is the main rationale for leaving the belief in how much horrible shit we’ve done to the rest of the world, and to ourselves?
Or is it to find a better place to be, in and of itself?
If it’s the latter…

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Good questions, Comrad. I can only say, for ‘me’ its just that I cant stand ordinary-amerikans anymore. Its like being surrounded by Frankensteins. They didnt ask to be turned into dangerous-idiots but thats what they are. Blah blah blah.

I just prefer the company of trees, birds, ferns, and tapirs at this point in my life.

Who knows though. Maybe humanity will surprise me, the way the 99 Rams did.

I get caught in the spam filter from time to time now, btw. I blame the deep-spam-state.

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Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

I think many people have suspected these things for years and it is nice to have it documented with real quotes from insiders. But at the end of the day, the country doesn’t care.

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Yeah, I had typed a sentence in my post about the public not caring, but I deleted it. I didnt want to beat a dead, decayed, maggoty, maimed, disfigured, very sad horse.

This nation jumped the shark. I dont know when exactly, but its done jumped the shark.

And I’ll say that even if Bernie wins the election. The deep-state is what it is.

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Yeah, I was thinking something kinda ironic yesterday…Bernie, and the Green New Deal. Like…it’s GND or die, and it may be too late anyway, even if we get the GND.

But I was thinking…at best, Bernie can save the planet. But he CAN’T save America. The forces of Greed have learned propaganda techniques that work, and there is no antidote. America is over.

I’m leaving, btw. I can’t take it anymore, and I’m out. I’ve got about 3 more years of work before I reach my maximum “multiplier” for my retirement pension, and I’m leaving shortly after I hit the nexus between my age and that multiplier. After I hit that mark, there is less incentive to keep working. I’m going to go set up my life in a different country, probably moving from one country to the next, until I become feeble, or I die, whichever comes first. But I am basically done here. I am seeking a divorce from the United States of America.

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Interesting thoughts, Zooey, my friend.

Almost Every single day I sit here and watch utubes of how to build a tiny-house out of cob or barn-wood or tires, etc, and move more-or-less off the grid. Do Permaculture, and that sort of thing. I often feel trapped in my life.

I think I’m too old to make such a big change and to learn a new way of life. I probably wont do it. But i ‘want’ to, and i feel trapped…ah well.

I want a divorce from corporate-civilization.

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