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wvParticipantCanadian Prime Minister. Eyeroll. I dont think I’ve ever seen a blank stare that long from a Prime Minister.
What do you think he was thinking to himself?
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vwvParticipantHow about this?
Part of the reason cops feel afraid for their lives is that a) they’re out of shape, b) white and are scared of black people and c) don’t have the adequate non-lethal training be it Krav Maga or BJJ to subdue people.
I had the occasion to talk with a CRASH cop, short, stout Korean dude who would FUME at the lazy cops who would shoot instead of scrap.
Yeah, it’s dangerous, but that’s why they get paid and are given larger protections under the law. Harming a police officer is an aggravating factor.
I’ve seen videos of cops doing it exactly right and plenty of videos of them doing it exactly wrong…like, in every way.
There are differences in the behaviors and beliefs of cops who draw only as a last resort and those cops who draw and unsafely their weapon even before they can fully examine the situation.
I’ve yet to see a single person who’s about this issue in good faith EVER criticize a cop for engaging in good faith, even if that ended in death.
The problem is that Dylan Roof killed 9 people and was gently taken into custody. He went to jail without a mark on him.
Chauvin murdered Floyd, who he’d known for as much as 17 years due to working in the same place after hours, by literally choking him to death…in broad daylight…while being filmed.
How about the police need to justify any use of force as opposed to the people having to PROVE that they did nothing to provoke violence against them by police.
Also, are we gonna talk about provocation? It used to be that one had to threaten or endanger a cop in order to justify violence. Now? Just tell the cop to fuck himself and he’ll bring all the violence he can muster AND with the support of the state UNLESS the citizen can prove that the violence is unjustified.
The TL;dr in this is that this isn’t the time to make the “most cops are good cops” argument.
Good cops would have intervened in all this bullshit long ago… even if we just start with Rodney King… And they fucking don’t. It’s almost unheard of for a police officer to support the citizen over the fellow cop EVEN IF THE COP IS ENGAGED IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
So yeah, rather than shoot people in the extremities ala Barnaby Jones, maybe..Oh, I dunno… actually de-escalate and if needed engage in non-lethal measures?
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Well, most of the cops I know here in WV, are already very much into Braz.Ju.Jitsu etc. They love that stuff.
Which is nice. But BJJ knowledge still wont stop Racist-Cops from being Brutal.
I think there’s gotta be some form of civilian review board for incidents. The Fox just cant be in charge of the hen-house.
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vwvParticipantThe start is Bernie’s platform.
That is a well articulated beginning with achievable goals. A lot of it was low hanging fruit like Medicare for All, student loan forgiveness and a host of other policies addressing issues of class and race.
We accomplish that by starting a 3rd party and doubling or more the ground force that Bernie was able to put together.
Socialists via the labor movement fought for the weekend.
Not even the most die hard conservative is giving that back.
And we gotta start at all levels, we can’t wait for percolate up and we can’t expect national wins to just flow down.
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Well, black people had a chance to vote for Bernie. He was right there.
And they picked the “same old shit” candidate instead.
Explain that to me, Mack? 🙂My own, dark, explanation is that the System dummed down black people. So they voted for Same-Old-Shit.
Just like the system dummed down white people — and we got Trump. Who was “even-worse-than-the-same-old-shit.”Bernie…was…right…there. And they rejected him.
The protestors SAY they want change. They rejected change. They VOTED for the same-old-shit.
The system created an ebony-and-ivory-Idiocracy.
Sorry. I will shut up now.
Anywayz….doesnt Black Lives Matter have a list of Specific policies to change police depts?
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantBiden did say he opposed ‘cash bail’ which is nice.
The shooting to maim comment was stupid and is an example of his tone-deafness.He needs to come out with an eight or ten point plan for CHANGING police forces. Not a rambling, half-assed cliche-fest.
Its an historical time. What will he actually DO to prevent police brutality?
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vwvParticipantThe thing is…police taking a knee does zero to change institutional racism. Ya know. We need actual policy changes. When will ‘that’ happen?
Of course.
But it’s better that this happens than it doesn’t.
For one thing, this (the police joining protests) is breaking up a lot of the old narratives. Like, the “people have to stop this war on police” thing I hear around in places. Simple response–some police hear the protestors and they know it’s not a war on them.
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Well, thats true. And its also true that it will just picked-up-on by the media and police and the politicians as a nice photo-op and as an example of change.
Its like when a man tells a woman to “calm down.” Its not the same as actually listening.I’m not saying its a ‘bad thing.’ But its not ‘change’ in any meaningful sense.
It reminds me of how the NFL handles things when they dont like a particular message.
What do i know, though.
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vJune 2, 2020 at 11:13 am in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #115658wvParticipantI came across this post last night, and have to share it. I vaguely know this person. Her family went to the same church I went to as a kid, and she posted this on my idiot right-wing brother’s FB post of Trump’s tweet declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. There is just so much…well…read it for yourself. It’s breath-taking. The vast amount of gullibility required to swallow one word of this…and the inherent racism…it’s truly impressive.
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Well, the only thing they left out is the money “comes from the Clintons.”
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vJune 2, 2020 at 9:55 am in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #115654wvParticipantLink:https://www.theonion.com/sweatshop-worker-devastated-to-hear-jacket-she-worked-s-1843834363
News in Brief
Sweatshop Worker Devastated To Hear Jacket She Worked So Hard On Looted
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SHENZHEN, CHINA—Upset about the theft of one of the thousands of garments she had sewn, sweatshop worker Li Chen was devastated to hear Monday that the jacket she worked so hard on was looted. “It breaks my heart that I slaved away for 14 cents an hour in an extremely hot and poorly ventilated factory just to have my hard work stolen from Zara,” said Chen, explaining that it felt like she lost the tip of her finger sewing the lapel for nothing after learning that someone snatched the garment rather than paying the full retail price. “I don’t work 16-hour shifts so some person can waltz into a store and take the jacket I made without paying $85. It’s just absolutely devastating, that stitching was a nightmare. I should just take a pay cut to help out this poor company and everything they’ve been through. I feel bad for my shift supervisor who put his heart and soul into screaming at me to work faster.” At press time, Chen was comforted to learn that insurance covered the stolen item, and Zara would be just fine.June 2, 2020 at 9:15 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115652wvParticipantJ.Cook Blog:https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020-06-02/police-violence-us-floyd-protests/
As US protests show, the challenge is how to rise above the violence inherent in state power
2 June 2020
“…Nonetheless, it is entirely wrong to suggest, as a New York Times editorial did yesterday, that police impunity can be largely ascribed to “powerful unions” shielding officers from investigation and punishment. The editorial board needs to go back to school. The issues currently being exposed to the harsh glare of daylight get to the heart of what modern states are there to do – matters rarely discussed outside of political theory classes….”June 2, 2020 at 9:03 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115650wvParticipant…adding diversity to newsrooms, sports tv, etc..
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Well Diversity is important. True. But allowing more identity-groups into the higher levels of a ‘dirty-rotten-system’ (to quote Dorothy Day) still leaves us with a dirty rotten system. Just with a more diverse group running it.
Ya need Diversity PLUS something-else. A dismantling of the worst elements of the system, policy by policy. How can that be done in this Corporate-Idiocracy? Uh….
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vJune 2, 2020 at 8:53 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115649wvParticipant=====================
Louisville:https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/man-killed-louisville-police-national-guard-protests….Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer announced Monday that he had fired Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad after learning that the body cameras of the officers who had fired their weapons were not active at the time of the shooting.
Fischer, along with family members, identified the victim as David McAtee, the beloved chef and owner of a popular barbecue joint located next to the Dino’s Food Mart, who was known to be a “good friend” to LMPD officers.
wvParticipantThe thing is…police taking a knee does zero to change institutional racism. Ya know. We need actual policy changes. When will ‘that’ happen?
wvParticipantHere’s one that I agree with, fwiw:
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wvParticipantWell, the Virus, the economic depression, the Energizing of the Black Community, the fact that Trump’s act is probly wearing a bit thin with some undecideds,
and the fact Biden is ahead in some key swing states…means Biden is in good shape to Win in November.Of course, Trump knows that, so that could mean War with Iran,
Internment Camps for Liberals. Or World War III. Hard to say.
But Trump only knows one way to fight — No Holds Barred.w
vwvParticipant1980 Ferragamo vid
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Oh man. 1980. Awesome Vid. Elvis.
1980. I was a Centrist-Democrat.
Subscribed to Sports Illustrated.
And the LA Times, which would come in the mail four or five days late.
The Rams were always a Powerhouse.
Voices of Pat Summerall, Ray Scott, Curt Gowdy, Cosell.
No Internet. No ESPN. No 24-hours-a-day-Football.
Ten minutes of highlights on the weekends.
Outdoor Stadiums.
No Brady, No Favre.No Video-Phone-Cameras. So we didnt see when the Police were killing black people…oh, wait. Got off the subject.
Carry on,
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vwvParticipantJune 1, 2020 at 10:09 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115581wvParticipantWell you knew it was coming: Its….the Rooskies.
—————Susan Rice on unrest and violence at the George Floyd protests: "This is right out of the Russian playbook as well." pic.twitter.com/WlKwPcq98J
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) May 31, 2020
May 31, 2020 at 8:43 pm in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115563wvParticipantLink:https://www.theonion.com/protestors-criticized-for-looting-businesses-without-fo-1843735351
News in Brief
Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First
MINNEAPOLIS—Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and destroy any business without gathering a group of clandestine investors to purchase it at a severely reduced price and slowly bleed it to death,” said Facebook commenter Amy Mulrain, echoing the sentiments of detractors nationwide who blasted the demonstrators for not hiring a consultant group to take stock of a struggling company’s assets before plundering. “I understand that people are angry, but they shouldn’t just endanger businesses without even a thought to enriching themselves through leveraged buyouts and across-the-board terminations. It’s disgusting to put workers at risk by looting. You do it by chipping away at their health benefits and eventually laying them off. There’s a right way and wrong way to do this.” At press time, critics recommended that protestors hold law enforcement accountable by simply purchasing the Minneapolis police department from taxpayers.
May 31, 2020 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115562wvParticipantCollection of police incidents:
National Guard marches through a quiet residential neighborhood in #Minneapolis, screaming at citizens to get inside.
Soldiers stop to point their guns at residents on their balcony.
They yell “LIGHT THEM UP” as they fire riot control rounds at them.pic.twitter.com/NAsCxmeBlp
— Chad Loder (@chadloder) May 31, 2020
May 31, 2020 at 4:58 pm in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115557wvParticipantProtests started in Erie.. a girl here was peacefully protesting, after 15 minutes she was maced and kicked.. #PoliceBrutality pic.twitter.com/nC6HhXMpCe
— Nick / nak5132 🍐 (@the7goonies) May 31, 2020
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Amen to Flores. I am now a fan of that Dolphins coach. I’ll keep an eye on him.
Of course very very few NFL folks will speak out the way he just did.
I shudder to think of the NFL’s corporate-weasel response to the race issue now.
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vwvParticipantMay 30, 2020 at 11:34 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115467wvParticipant<cornell west vid..
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Ooh. Cornell goes after Black Politicians who ‘accommodate themselves’ to the system.
I’m sure he noticed all those black politicians who picked Biden over Bernie.
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vMay 30, 2020 at 8:39 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115460wvParticipantFrom what I’m seeing on tv all I can think of is that these riots will do nothing but help Trump remain in office. If the local D.A. does not seek total justice (2d degree murder at a minimum) then the Feds can step in and still prosecute the officer(s). But to see the riots all over the tv screen does not do justice for the Floyd family and it does not in any way help us get rid of Trump.
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I have had those same thoughts. Because that seems to be the history of these things. People voted for Nixon, because he was the ‘law and order’ guy…and on and on and on.
Then again, Biden vs Trump is not McGovern vs Nixon. Its gonna be close. Very very close.
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vMay 30, 2020 at 8:36 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #115459wvParticipantThis is the first cheerful news I have read in a while…
Minneapolis Bus Drivers Refuse to Transport George Floyd Protesters to Jail
Organized labor throughout the city is banding together in solidarity against police violence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death.
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Ok now ‘this’ is intriguing. Everything else about the Minny incident weve seen before. THIS could actually lead to something different than the usual standard operating procedure, shit.
When humans organize they can change things. Otherwise…ya know.
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vwvParticipantOh, and a CNN reporter got arrested and Floyd’s killer(s) haven’t been.
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Yeah, its bad enough we have to live out our lives in a corporotacracy being lied to everyday by Corporate-CNN….but i suppose a Fascist-corporotacracy is even worse.
Ah well. How bout those Rams. I bet they’ll do better with canned-fake-noise instead of actual Packer-fan-noise in the stadium…
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantThis is the kind of dynamic that makes amerika so hard to describe in a few words.
Some things have gotten worse and worse and worse — pollution, extinctions, etc.
But some things have gotten better — we dont see black people bombed from airplanes anymore.w
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