The last question of the debate…On the minor, trivial question of democracy.

(this is why, I cant watch the Democrats, btw. Cant…even…watch em. Bernie’s the only one with the slightest bit of integrity)

I just wanna know where Lassie falls on that political-cube.

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The establishment is terrified of Bernie as we knew they would be.

Good lord, they’ve even wheeled out panic-stricken James Carville. …and who the fuck is Michael Bennett?

“…New Hampshire primary showed something very interesting. Progressive candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren won 35% of the vote in New Hampshire, while the moderates—Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, and Joe Biden– won 53% of the vote…”
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I know one thing. Corporate-Centrists will NEVER believe a Progressive can win until one actually…wins. If Bernie does actually manage, somehow, to win, Centrists will never be able to simply dismiss progressives again.

Been a long long time. All the way Back to F.D.R.

Is it finally time?

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Billy_T wrote:

WV,

My earlier reply to you was delayed in the spam queue. Hope you’ve noticed it by now, above.

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Anyway . . . we’ve been through this before, and sorry to rehash it, but you and I don’t see the MSM in the same way. I think on most stuff, we’re on the same page. On the same page with pretty much all the important stuff. But I don’t view the MSM as the Dem-establishment at all, if I’m reading you correctly and you do see it that way (?)

Again, tough to express this in a short form. But, if the two parties were given points for bad behavior, and for stuff that real journalists should be exposing, they’d both get a ton. But the GOP would get ten times more points. So when the MSM try their damndest to be “fair and balanced,” they’re actually going a lot easier on the GOP than the Dems. They’re skewing reality. It’s not, in fact, the Dem-establishment. It’s tougher on them than on the GOP (in relative terms), given what each party actually does. That “liberal bias” the right always screams about is nonsense, in my view. They have a conservative bias, and always have. It’s just that conservatives give them a hell of a lot more ammunition via wrong-doing, so they have to cover that stuff more. The Dems give them fewer examples, but they struggle to try to “balance” it all, plus conflict and horse races sell. Lopsided, but truthful description of reality doesn’t.

Not to mention, as I’ve brought up before, networks like CNN and MSNBC are crawling with conservatives, Republicans, Republican operatives, and ex-Republicans, and when they book folks for the Sunday shows, they tend to book more Republicans than Dems.

Also, the media are owned by, as you know, conservative corporations. They prefer the Republicans to the Dems, cuz they get better deals from them. They get really good deals from the Dems, too. But they get great deals from the Republicans.

IMO, the MSM is not the Dem-establishment, or the DNC-establishment. However, Fox and most baldly partisan right-wing media are openly, without apology, arms of the GOP.

That’s the way I see it, anyway.

I still detest both parties. But I see the GOP as a far bigger existential threat, especially to the planet.

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Well, what is your opinion of, say, three specific organizations — lets say, MSNBC, The NYT, and NPR/PBS — Dont you think they are DEM-oriented? Corporate-Dem-oriented. I mean the NYT just flat out endorses Dems for President every four years.

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Billy_T wrote:

On Tucker Carlson:

We shouldn’t forget that he’s been raging at “the left” for decades, and that he’s a pathological liar when it comes to the subject. He openly despises and demonizes “socialism” and “progressives” at every turn, and when he does have a leftist on air, he trashes them and gives them his patented “WTF” look every other second.

He is not our friend.

The only reason he’s saying anything positive about Sanders right now is that he sees the chance to sow division on the left in general, and among Dems in particular. No one should fall for this nonsense — including K Ball, who should know better. .

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True, he is a Vile Repugnant. Absolutely. Its always a ‘given’ for me, BT. Dont think because i post his vids, i dont see all that. Its…a…given.

But. I think he Genuinely does believe some of the things he says. Sometimes he just says what he really, actually thinks. And i think he genuinely thinks the DNC-establishment (CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc) is smearing/ignoring Bernie.
A rightwinger ‘can’ see all that. They are still rightwingers but they can sometimes see what the DNC is doing, clearly. Heck, I think a LOT of Foxers see it, clearly.

As for K.Ball falling for something — what did she fall for? She went on Fox because she wanted to influence the VIEWERS. Millions of Viewers. At least thats what she said on her show. Makes sense to me. And the fact she was received more warmly on Fox than on CNN or MSNBC is not surprising. And that was her experience.

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Billy_T wrote:

But the Dems in the media keep telling us that they (the Dems) have to “appeal to the center,” and they have to “reach across the aisle,” and they have to “attract Republican voters” in order to win, even though their own base is larger than the GOP’s. A good bit larger…..

So . . .

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Well, if they do want to attract some Reps — which can do that the best? A centrist like Biden? Or an anti-establishment type who is hated by the MSM, like Bernie?

There’s several different factions of Reps. I’d say Bernie had a better chance of peeling away the Reps that are wavering.

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I havent seen Joker yet either. I’ll see it at some point.

I figured Parasite would never make it to WV, so i bought a used dvd on the evil-amazon. Lookin forward to seein it. I’m gonna avoid the spoilers till then.

In the vid i posted on writers and film, Joe Abercrombie alludes to the fact that the best story telling seems to be done on the small screen these days as opposed to the Big Budget Theater releases. Parasite is an exception that, i spose.

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Amen, comrads. Let us hate them together, in harmony.

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