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wvParticipantCapitalism takes a selfie
wvParticipantBiden has the support of all the Rich folks, the Corporations, Big Pharma, the CIA, the MSM, Goldman Sachs…
You missed a few: He also has the support of the poor, the disenfranchised, the minorities, those in fear of what 4 more years of Trump will do to their health care, the federal courts, the electoral process, those in favor of pro-choice, those alarmed at the increased deficits, the privatization of our educational system, the separation of church and state, gun control, and-oh yes-now the economy.
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Granted. Thats true.
I wish they knew better. They had a much better choice 🙂
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vI suppose we differ on how to interpret “better”. If you mean electable then -even I as a centrist-would vote and support Sanders if I believed he had a better chance of beating Trump than Biden. That’s how dangerous I believe Trump is. But for three reasons I don’t think that’s the case:
1) As proven in the primaries young people supporting Sanders simply won’t show up on election day-with the possible exception of California but there Sanders had broad support. Unfortunately we are just one body of electoral votes.
2) For whatever reason he will not bring out the African American vote whose power was displayed in the Obama elections.
3) The remaining voters-assuming Sanders was the nominee-will be told by Trump that he is a socialist and the government will run their health care, etc. That wouldn’t bother the young voter but he or she won’t be there and same with the African American voters who won’t be there either.
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Will enough progressives vote for Mr-Corporatist-Biden?
I dunno. Read the comments here:
This is a bigger deal than you might think.
NEWS: Mike Bloomberg’s firm that ran his presidential campaign is bidding to take over Joe Biden’s https://t.co/SpzNX4jcQd by @ryangrim
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) April 10, 2020
wvParticipantWell, they built a team that went to the Super Bowl. It kinda seemed like they were throwing everything they had at that little window.
I really have no problem with the decisions they made, then or now.
But I’d say the reality is they are no longer a championship-level team.
They seem like a middle-of-the-pack Wildcard level team to me.I can live with that for another year.
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vwvParticipantNathan Robinson
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wvParticipantMy name is TSRF, and I am a Violet murderer.
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Well at least plant an Oak Tree.
This is the guy, that started a whole entire movement. He’s a legend
in the “dont-murder-the-violets field.”wvParticipant==
Noam on Al Jazeera:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/noam-chomsky-coronavirus-pandemic-prevented-200403113823259.html?fbclid=IwAR0zYVNIvnX8OIexerp1sMLGw_POSS7E6KXgabKf5nyRLgmPSNUcGgznJgQ“The coronavirus crisis could have been prevented because there was enough information available to the world, according to Noam Chomsky…
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….Describing the US president as a “sociopathic buffoon“, Chomsky said while the coronavirus was serious, “it’s worth recalling that there is a much greater horror approaching. We are racing to the edge of disaster, far worse than anything that’s happened in human history.“Donald Trump and his minions are in the lead in racing to the abyss. In fact there are two immense threats that we’re facing – one is the growing threat of nuclear war … and the other of course is the growing threat of global warming.”
While the coronavirus can have “terrifying consequences, there will be recovery”, said Chomsky, but regarding the other threats, “there won’t be recovery, it’s finished”.
He also blasted Trump for continuing punishing sanctions on Iran, a country which is struggling to contain the virus with more than 3,000 deaths, as a way to make people suffer bitterly.
“When the US imposes devastating sanctions – it’s the only country that can do that, everyone has to follow … the master. Or else they are kicked out the financial system,” said Chomsky….”
wvParticipantBiden has the support of all the Rich folks, the Corporations, Big Pharma, the CIA, the MSM, Goldman Sachs…
You missed a few: He also has the support of the poor, the disenfranchised, the minorities, those in fear of what 4 more years of Trump will do to their health care, the federal courts, the electoral process, those in favor of pro-choice, those alarmed at the increased deficits, the privatization of our educational system, the separation of church and state, gun control, and-oh yes-now the economy.
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Granted. Thats true.
I wish they knew better. They had a much better choice 🙂
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantThe DNC lovefest for Bernie will begin now. First they cheat him, then they smear him, now they will act like Bernie and the Progressives are the most wonderful people on earth.
I believe it was Dorothy Day, who called it a “dirty rotten system.”
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vwvParticipantkrystal-ball:https://twitter.com/krystalball
Choose your quarantine house:
https://twitter.com/StankAttitude/status/1247259241494253576/photo/1wvParticipantStyle over Substance.
wvParticipantNYtimes:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html
Trump’s Aggressive Advocacy of Malaria Drug for Treating Coronavirus Divides Medical CommunityWhile Dr. Anthony Fauci has urged caution in using hydroxychloroquine, some doctors are prescribing it to patients who have the virus despite the fact it has never been tested for it.
WASHINGTON — President Trump made a rare appearance in the Situation Room on Sunday as his pandemic task force was meeting, determined to talk about the anti-malaria medicine that he has aggressively promoted lately as a treatment for the coronavirus.
Once again, according to a person briefed on the session, the experts warned against overselling a drug yet to be proved a safe remedy, particularly for heart patients. “Yes, the heart stuff,” Mr. Trump acknowledged. Then he headed out to the cameras to promote it anyway. “So what do I know?” he conceded to reporters at his daily briefing. “I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense.”
Day after day, the salesman turned president has encouraged coronavirus patients to try hydroxychloroquine with all of the enthusiasm of a real estate developer. The passing reference he makes to the possible dangers is usually overwhelmed by the full-throated endorsement. “What do you have to lose?” he asked five times on Sunday.
Bolstered by his trade adviser, a television doctor, Larry Ellison of Oracle and Rudolph W. Giuliani, a former New York mayor, Mr. Trump has seized on the drug as a miracle cure for the virus that has killed thousands and paralyzed American life. Along the way, he has prompted an international debate about a drug that many doctors in New York and elsewhere have been trying in desperation even without conclusive scientific studies.
Mr. Trump may ultimately be right, and physicians report anecdotal evidence that has provided hope. But it remains far from certain, and the president’s assertiveness in pressing the case over the advice of advisers like Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease specialist, has driven a wedge inside his coronavirus task force and has raised questions about his motives.
If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.
“I certainly understand why the president is pushing it,” said Dr. Joshua Rosenberg, a critical care at Brooklyn Hospital Center. “He’s the president of the United States. He has to project hope. And when you are in a situation without hope, things go very badly. So I’m not faulting him for pushing it even if there isn’t a lot of science behind it, because it is, at this point, the best, most available option for use.”
A senior physician at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center in Brooklyn, where doctors are not providing the drug, however, said the current demand was worrisome for patients on it chronically for rheumatic diseases. At St. Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx, another doctor said his staff was giving it to coronavirus patients but criticized the president and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo for “cheerleading” the drug without proof. “False hope can be bad, too,” he said.
The professional organization that published a positive French study cited by Mr. Trump’s allies changed its mind in recent days. The International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy said, “The article does not meet the society’s expected standard.” Some hospitals in Sweden stopped providing hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus after reports of adverse side effects, according to Swedish news media.
But Mr. Cuomo told reporters on Monday that he would ask Mr. Trump to increase the federal supply of hydroxychloroquine to New York pharmacies, allowing the state to lift a limit on purchases. “There has been anecdotal evidence that it is promising,” Mr. Cuomo said, while noting the lack of a formal study….see link
wvParticipant“we dont really understand seasonality”
wvParticipantI’ll vote green just like I did it 2016 because I like the perspective & sentiments from the Revolution Now post…
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In one of the recent MSNBC interviews, where The Hill or TYT were left incredulous by Biden’s old-age moments, Biden was fine for 90% of the interview. He does look bad at times, but some of the lefty critics are focusing on his bad highlights.
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Yeah, I think thats true.
I’ll vote Green too, but I totally understand any decision to vote for Biden, just because he wont be quite as bad as Trump. Critical-Thinkers can make a case for either position, imho.
I’m reading an auto-bio by an American Communist named Dorothy Healey. She talked about this same dynamic back in the 30s all through the 60’s and after. The problem on the Left — to vote for the ‘lesser evil’ or the candidate who actually is closer to your position. Its an age-old problem. Its torn many-a-leftist–organization apart over the years.
Back to Biden — I think his senility may actually gain him votes. As ive said before, older folks may find it downright endearing.
I dont think all that many voters vote on POLICY anymore. But what do i know.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantI dunno. I don’t know anything anymore. I thought the Democrat incompetence was going to allow Bernie to get through, but in Democrats first act of competence since they passed the incompetent ACA, they rallied together to stop Sanders…and give the country…Joe Biden?
This is it. This is the product of 4 years of regrouping after Hillary’s stunning loss. Joe Biden. It’s unbelievable just how inept this makes the party look.
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Well i dont know anything anymore, either.
All i can say is this all reflects one word to me — Rot.
Deep pervasive rot. Not in just the corporate-dem party obviously. Just rot in the American-corporate-System as a whole.The resistance to that rot is small. Its there. But its small. As soon as all the centrists-corporatists got all out of the race, and they stopped splitting the votes, the real measure of this country could be taken. Voters could have voted for change. They had a perfect chance. And yes, i know about the voter suppression tactics, and they are real, but still, they wouldnt have been enough to stop Bernie if most voters really wanted change. It was a basically fair fight. Basically. People knew what Bernie stood for. They chose the corporate-hack. They chose.
YaY for the small resistance. Thats all i got 🙂
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vwvParticipantBiden has become downright unwatchable. I cringe everytime he opens his mouth.
Is it just me-as-a-leftist who feels that?
Biden better hope so.After three fucking years of Trump — THIS is what the Dem-Voters want. Okey-dokey.
==============wvParticipantI dunno how to prevent them. But i know that if the government made a lot less bombs and Imperialism, and diverted the money into public-health, we’d all be more…healthy. And safe.
I keep seeing mainstreamers noticing that ‘more people have died now, than during 9-11.’
I’m glad they are noticing that. Maybe they will start making connections. Putting two and two together. Figuring it out.
Nah. They wont.
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vwvParticipantI’m reading an auto-bio of Dorothy Healey right now. She had a lot in common with Scott Nearing.
Part of my month-long, personal excursion into the
“what happened to the american left?” question.One rather black-and-white part-answer to that question is/was — The Smith Act, otherwise known as the Alien Registration Act. The law was passed in 1940, and until the Supreme Court more-or-less gutted it, it allowed the Government to imprison anyone who advocated overthrowing the American Government using violence.
Cept the way the law was written and interpreted it allowed individual commies to be imprisoned if they were, say, Marxists or Leninist. Just the fact they ‘believed’ in Marxism or Leninism was enuff.
The Prosecutor would simply read some of Marx or Lenin’s writings in Court, and to the Jury. Thats it. That was enuff. Reading from a Marxist book and then linking the book to the individual American communist.
The Courts allowed Individual Commies to be convicted based only on reading excerpts from Marx or Lenin, etc. The individual commie could be a peaceful pacifist. Didnt matter. It was surreal.
Anyway, in 1957 the S.Court finally said people actually have to DO something wrong. Not just believe in Marxism etc.
Its still a bit of a gray area, though.
Many a commie leader was jailed, harassed, threatened, pressured with that law. Dorothy Healey was one.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipant“…But someone, anyone, at some point, should’ve raised their hand and asked the same question that could’ve saved the NFL a lot of trouble over the last decade, in countless scandals that made pro football look like a ruthless circus: Are we doing the right thing?….”
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Yeah, ask a Corporation to put people over profit.
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vwvParticipantRose Caucus:https://www.rosecaucus.com/
Socialist Alternative:https://www.rosecaucus.com/
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wvParticipantYeah. So. Chomsky is right, then?
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Look, he’s as free as any other American,
to buy his own TV-network-Empire.w
vwvParticipantwvParticipantNO.
Maybe the easiest question I’ve ever answered.
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Now, now. The Democrat Party spent three long years, analyzing what went wrong with the Hillary Fiasco of 2016. And after all that soul-searching and number-crunching, and think-tanking…they came up with…Joe Biden.
Surely, these movers and shakers know what they are doing, Mack.
Maybe Biden is just saving himself for the fourth quarter. Ya know.
…and maybe the Corporotacracy cant lose when its Trump vs Biden. And maybe ‘thats’ what an American ‘election’ is really all about.
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vwvParticipantAccording to a new Corporate Poll,
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53 percent are excited about Trump.
24 percent are excited about Biden.
—Biden may very well be more dull than John Kerry. He’s definitely more…um…use whatever label you wanna use.
wvParticipantI totally get where yer comin from Comrad. I just mainly nod my head in silence when friends post about their life. I ‘feel’ it, BT. But i just think/feel it all silently. I dont why I’m that way.
Anyway, of course we care.
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