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wvParticipantwvParticipantThe question remains though.
Define what is meant by “leftist/progressive.” Waterfield asked that a couple of times.
BT gave one try at it and I gave another. But…no one person is going to nail that.
I learn a lot from people giving that an effort.
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I’ll get around to it eventually. Its a hard question to keep simple, and message-board-sized. Its also not the easiest thing to answer, in general. What is a leftist?The basics havent changed for me since the 90’s but I think I’m more focused on Imperialism now than i was in my earlier-leftist-life. I dunno why.
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vwvParticipantAt least for the Biden v Trump battle.
Those wearing masks are more likely than not to vote for Biden. Those not wearing masks are more likely than not to vote for Trump.
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In my little WV college town, college-aged kids are not wearing masks.
Middle-aged and older folks are wearing masks.w
vJuly 2, 2020 at 5:52 pm in reply to: Jackie Slater on what’s happened to the run game in today’s NFL #117501wvParticipantGood article.
I forget, why the Rams dumped Zampese. Was it because they wanted an inferior coach? Was that it?
“We were very highly skilled,” Slater said. “We weren’t limited to one or two blocking schemes. We ran everything. We ran powers. We ran dives. We ran bellies, which is inside zone to the tight end, inside zone away from the counter end. Counter to the tight end. Counters away from the tight end. Powers where you go to the tight end, double team on that front side and then you insert the backside guard pulling over there. Then we did tackle traps. It was unbelievable.”
Zampese would later become offensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys, as his well-balanced offensive philosophy helped Dallas win three Super Bowls in a four-year span….”
wvParticipantLA:https://laist.com/2020/07/01/los-angeles-city-council-votes-lapd-budget-cuts-150-million.php
City Council Votes To Slash LAPD Budget By $150 Million
by Libby Denkmann in News on July 1, 2020 5:10 PM
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The L.A. City Council on Wednesday voted to cut $150 million out of the Los Angeles Police Department’s $1.8 billion operating budget, with plans to reinvest the funds in marginalized communities.The move comes in response to recent historic protests that saw hundreds of thousands of Angelenos take to the streets, demanding justice for Black people killed at the hands of police following the death of George Floyd. Four former Minneapolis police officers — all fired — have been charged in Floyd’s killing.
A coalition of community groups led by Black Lives Matter-LA has been organizing sustained protests and civic engagement, including:
Calling and writing city council members
Showing up to demonstrate outside elected officials’ offices and homes
Developing their own alternative spending plan called The People’s Budget.That budget proposal calls for investing in public safety alternatives, housing and social services instead of armed law enforcement….see link
wvParticipantA simple way to think of Progressivism (or mild-leftism) vs Not-Leftism would be:
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Biden vs FDR.
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Hillary vs Bernie
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Pelosi vs AOC
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Obama vs MLK
—-Not perfect analogies but its nice hack-sized.
Progressivism is about helping poor people.
Democrat-ism is about helping middle-class and wealthy.w
vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantI’ll try and add something at some point, but for starters, lets look at Corporate-Money and American Dem-Rep-Politics. (for the gazillionth time) Below are just a sampling of Corporate PAC contributions I grabbed off of one random website.
A ‘leftist’ would have a major problem with that snapshot below.
Does anyone see any poor-people represented below?
The wealthy(corporations mainly) BUY the political system.
It has always been that way all through human history. In the past it was kings or lords or land-owners or whatever. Now its corporations, banks, etc.The Dem Party and the Rep Party are just like the two biggest Lords of a corporate feudal system. Sure there’s differences in the two Lords. But its still a fuck-the-poor system.
Money rules. Its wrong. Leftists know/feel that.
Dems and Reps enable (at best) and revel in (at worst) this system. Thats why leftists say Dems and Reps are two ‘wings’ of the same ‘Corporate-Business Party.’Differences? Yes. Like the differences between two Lords on Game of Thrones.
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Political Contributions:
Based in Boston, General Electric is a conglomerate made up of companies spanning a number of industries.
Total donations: $1,753,871
Percentage donated to Republicans: 43.2%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 56.0%
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Based in New York City, Goldman Sachs is a major bank.
Total donations: $11,457,248
Percentage donated to Republicans: 52.2%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 47.0%
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Aerospace and defense company Lockheed Martin is based in Bethesda, Maryland.
Total donations: $2,364,432
Percentage donated to Republicans: 54.7%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 43.7%
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Johnson & Johnson develops pharmaceuticals and medical devices, and is based in New Brunswick, New Jersey.
Total donations: $1,981,003
Percentage donated to Republicans: 45.4%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 52.2%
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Dish Network is a direct-broadcast satellite service provider operating out of Meridian, California.
Total donations: $2,604,920
Percentage donated to Republicans: 42.8%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 55.4%
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Based in Philadelphia, Comcast is a telecommunications and broadcasting company.
Total donations: $4,145,981
Percentage donated to Republicans: 42.7%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 56.8%
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Wells Fargo is a bank based in San Francisco.
Total donations: $3,212,918
Percentage donated to Republicans: 44.7%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 54.2%
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Bank of America is a bank based in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Total donations: $2,931,246
Percentage donated to Republicans: 41.4%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 57.9%
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Based in New York City, Morgan Stanley is a financial services firm.
Total donations: $5,362,033
Percentage donated to Republicans: 54.9%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 44.1%
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JP Morgan Chase is a New York City-based banking and financial services company.
Total donations: $6,173,244
Percentage donated to Republicans: 49.9%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 54.5%
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Based in Chicago, Boeing is a major aerospace company.
Total donations: $2,805,418
Percentage donated to Republicans: 43.8%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 55.4%—————
Delta is a large airline based in Atlanta.
Total donations: $2,045,942
Percentage donated to Republicans: 52.2%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 45.4%
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Exxon Mobil is a oil and gas company based in Irving, Texas.
Total donations: $2,134,633
Percentage donated to Republicans: 63.0%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 36.0%
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Facebook is a social media platform based in Menlo Park, California.
Total donations: $2,150,577
Percentage donated to Republicans: 7.0%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 91.3%
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Global investment management company BlackRock is based in New York City.
Total donations: $2,231,664
Percentage donated to Republicans: 28.1%
Percentage donated to Democrats: 71.3%
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corpse money:https://www.businessinsider.com/fortune-500-companies-republican-democrat-political-donations-2018-2#goldman-sachs-30wvParticipantWell, like i say, I’m agnostic. If this case was in a court of law, where the burden of proof is ‘beyond a reasonable doubt,’ the ‘evidence’ is so thin (if i can even call it evidence at all) the case would simply be dismissed. Without question. Dismissed.
Now of course ‘we’ are not in a court of law so we can use whatever standards we want.
My ‘own’ stance is ‘agnostic’ on stuff like this. The evidence is thin, lame, hearsay. “sources unknown” quoted by anonymous ‘intelligence’ agents.
Please.As for Mate and Blumenthal, i dont know whether they are really agnostic on this or atheists on this. I’d have to interview and them and ask them.
I’d be surprised if anyone was an ‘atheist’ on this for the reasons zn pointed out. Heck yeah, all the big corporate and nationalist gangster-states do this shit. Wouldnt surprise me at all if Putin was doing this, or Trump, or Obama any of the other gangster-states. But thats not proof.
And there are reasons and agendas why the Dem-MSM and the Dem-Faction in the “Intelligence community” push these stories. Its that agenda that annoys me.
I know thats a separate subject, blah blah. But its not separate to ‘me.’ 🙂
Its an inseparable subject for ‘me.’w
vwvParticipantA reminder that #TamirRice was killed for having a toy gun, while #PatriciaMcCloskey pointed a gun at peaceful protesters with her hand ON the trigger & is still practicing law + sits on the Missouri Bar Association’s ethics panel.#BlackLivesMatter #Racist #America pic.twitter.com/vfbXOvnsnp
— Shruti Patel, MD (@ShrutiPatelMD) June 29, 2020
wvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipant…and the misconceptions that come along with being lumped into a “group” that is so diverse within that sphere.
but that applies to everyone really. not just muslims (which really spans across entire continents and cultures). not just arab americans. not just asian americans. not just second generation americans. but any “community”. right?
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When to lump,
and when not to lump.Seems like the more you know about a ‘group’ the less you lump. Mostly.
I always think of the example of ‘Christians’ because i know a lot of them. You have yer snake-handlers from Kentucky (who might be different from yer snake-handlers from WV). You have yer Commie-Liberation-Theologists in Central America.
You have yer rightwing rural Southern Baptists. Episcopalians. White Nationalist Ku Klux Klan Christians. Haiti’s Christians with a mix of Voodoo. Christian Humanists. Jesuits. Christian Mystics. Etc, etc, etc.There’s no “Christians.”
No “Muslims.”
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vwvParticipantInteresting point at the 43 minute mark:
“You can tell the story of white leadership in America, and never mention the FBI one time. You cant tell the story of black leadership, not once, without having to deal with the full weight of the criminal justice system weaponized against black dissent.”wvParticipantThat looks great.
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wvParticipant“Trump:Can anyone believe that Princeton just dropped the name of Woodrow Wilson from their highly respected policy center…”
————-Well that should make utube’s ‘cynical historian’ very happy.
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“…Trustees say Wilson’s name will remain on the alumni award however, because it was endowed by a gift that came with a “legal obligation to name the prize for Wilson.”Alongside the veneration have also been concerns by students over Wilson’s prominence on campus. In 2015, students protested, occupying the president’s office. In response, the trustees assembled a special committee to review concerns over Wilson’s legacy and provide recommendations.
The committee recommended that the school keep the 28th president’s name on both schools, even as it acknowledged that “Wilson indisputably opposed the idea of admitting black students to the Princeton of his time.”
But as anti-racist protests surged across the nation, the celebration of Wilson’s legacy at Princeton was one more longstanding debate to reenter the spotlight.
Students of the public policy school recently sent a letter, dated June 22, demanding, among other things, a name change.
“If Princeton saw fit to change the name of the School of Public and International Affairs in 1948 to reflect the politics of the midcentury United States, then it is time to change the name once again, over sixty years later, to reflect the morals and principles of our institutional identity in 2020,” the letter read. ”
link:https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/27/884310403/princeton-to-remove-woodrow-wilsons-name-from-public-policy-schoolJune 29, 2020 at 8:18 am in reply to: Jon Stewart: “i was more mad about stuff than inspired” #117314wvParticipantPS, if you listen to that ‘burn pit’ segment by Jon Stewart — this is one of the many reasons why i always call him a ‘liberal’ and not a ‘leftist.’
He goes on and on about ‘american’ lives. Wanting to help ‘american’ veterans. “make Rathion and the Corporations give ten percent of their war profits to Veterans after the war…”
Well gee. Lets just make American-Wars more fair to americans.No thought to the Iraqi lives. The Iraqis downwind of the burn pits. Etc, and so forth.
Non-American Lives Matter. I wish someone would start ‘that’ meme. NALM.
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vwvParticipantSomeone is going to be very famous in 18 months or so. The postmodern Salk. People Magazine covers. Oprah Shows. Possibly even a shoe deal.
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vJune 29, 2020 at 8:07 am in reply to: Jon Stewart: “i was more mad about stuff than inspired” #117311wvParticipant“burn pits”
I’d never heard of ‘burn pits.’June 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm in reply to: updated–Round Three? Robinson’s rebuttal to the rebuttal to the . . . #117289wvParticipantPart of the failure to move toward better policies is the Left’s failure. Bernie has failed to talk effectively to anyone outside his own camp. A year ago, Bernie did a Fox Town Hall and ended up advocating for the right to vote for people in jail.
Think about that, the leader of the Left goes on Fox and advocates a fringe position that regular Fox News Americans will laugh at and just dismiss. Going on Fox to talk sense to those voters is a good idea, but you have to sell your ideas and make appealing arguments.
Another example, remember Bernie’s appearance on 60 Minutes when he ended up defending his interest in Cuban communism by praising Cuban literacy? That was a super easy question to respond to. Bernie flat out failed.
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Thats been a common criticism of Bernie (Saagar and Krystal both stated that as well)
I disagree though. I think Bernie’s Ads were brilliant. I think he ran a brilliant campaign. And he had some amazing african-american talent on his team, out front. He stayed on message, and pounded away at simple, important policies.
I dont think it was Bernie’s failure at all. I think he did great, for a Leftist running for Prez.
I blame the Nation, not Bernie. The system has dummed down the Right, and dummed down the middle and dummed down the fake-left.
I think Bernie actually exceeded expectations.
I dont blame Bernie for the voters being idiots. 🙂
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vJune 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm in reply to: defunding the police … & other legislative responses to the protests #117287wvParticipantYup. Colorado.
“…he bill requires that all police officers use activated body cameras or dashboard cameras during service calls or officer-initiated public interactions. It also bars officers from using deadly force against those suspected of minor or non-violent offenses, requires officers to intervene should they witness another officer using excessive physical force and establishes new data reporting on the use of force.
The measure specifically bans officers from using chokeholds, a long-controversial technique, particularly following the death of Eric Garner in 2014 when a police officer was accused of choking him. The death of George Floyd, who died after a Minneapolis police officer restrained him by pressing a knee on his neck for nearly nine minutes, has prompted nationwide protests…”
link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/politics/colorado-polis-police-body-cameras-banning-chokeholds/index.htmlJune 28, 2020 at 3:51 pm in reply to: defunding the police … & other legislative responses to the protests #117286wvParticipant
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That cant be right. I’ll have to check on that.I mean….thats a significant, real-life change.
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vJune 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm in reply to: Jon Stewart: “i was more mad about stuff than inspired” #117285wvParticipantJune 28, 2020 at 9:40 am in reply to: Jon Stewart: “i was more mad about stuff than inspired” #117258wvParticipantI have tried to teach you derelicts about pro-wrastling. Just a refresher on ‘KFabe.’
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kay·fabe(in professional wrestling) the fact or convention of presenting staged performances as genuine or authentic.
“a masterful job of blending kayfabe and reality”
==================================wvParticipantUniversitat de Barcelona:https://www.ub.edu/web/ub/en/menu_eines/noticies/2020/06/042.html
“…COVID-19 was announced in Wuhan (China) in early December in 2019 and it would reach every place worldwide later, including Europe. The first case in Europe was announced in France in late January 2020. This chronology on the evolution of the disease can change according to a study led by the University of Barcelona, in collaboration with Aigües de Barcelona.
Researchers detected the presence of the virus that caused the disease in samples of waste water in Barcelona, collected in March 12, 2019. These results, sent to a high impact journal and published in the archive medRxiv, suggest the infection was present before knowing about any case of COVID-19 in any part of the world….see link”
June 28, 2020 at 7:57 am in reply to: police culture & training, including former police speak out #117251wvParticipantCopaganda – How Cop Shows Lie to You | The Daily Social Distancing Show”
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Think about how the CIA is portrayed in American movies.
The ONLY reason any changes are being contemplated regarding the American police, is because things are seen on cameras.
Nothing the CIA does is on camera. No body-cams, no phone-cameras, etc.
I could go on. And on. About America’s secret police.
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vvwvParticipantI typically use bandanas or a gaiter mask..
For me, a gaiter mask is the most convenient…
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I’m old school, myself.
wvParticipantThis one is also, in a way, a policing story.
“The history of the Stonewall Riots is equally as cherished as it is charged. There are questions of who was there, who “threw the first brick” and who can claim Stonewall. This film doesn’t answer these questions but instead it aims to expand the story of Stonewall by including more voices in its telling.
Stonewall Forever, the documentary, brings together voices from over 50 years of LGBTQ activism to explore the ongoing legacy of Stonewall.”
June 27, 2020 at 6:21 pm in reply to: updated–Round Three? Robinson’s rebuttal to the rebuttal to the . . . #117223wvParticipant<
That fooled me for a while, too. He’s a not really a Trumpie, as far as I can tell. He’s a right wing populist, so he “gets” the Trump appeal, but he isn’t in it for the racism. He was in it, I think, for “drain the swamp” and “NAFTA sucks.” He is conservative economically. Kinda sides with Law and Order. Lower taxes. But is not pro-corporate dominance and government unaccountability and spying on people and stuff. I think.==============
The other day, I heard him say something, where the gist of it was “Trump doesnt have professionals around him who will do what Trump really wants to do.”
He was basically saying its not Trumps fault, he is under the spell of the corporatists around him. (Reminded me of an enabling parent who sez “My kid is a good kid, he just hangs out with the wrong crowd and they lead him astray”)Uh huh.
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