i still think the cash flow will be way more than anything he could get in st louis.

so he’ll spend a couple billion while the value of the team increases by a couple billion. at least. although really my guess is that’s a very conservative estimate. it probably increases considerably more than that.

and on top of that the cash flow will be even greater than at st louis considering the non football retail space.

and on top of that he could collect additional cash through leasing the stadium out to a second team.

plus if he rents the stadium out to a second team. is that money shared?

i wish they’d make a decision already. all this uncertainty is getting to me.

from reading some pre-draft articles people seem to think mason would be a great fit in a zone blocking scheme.

but i’m not sure fisher used a zone blocking scheme at tennessee. i read that chris johnson ran in a power blocking scheme at tennessee.

someday. they will make a documentary about this. i wonder if we’ll learn anything from it.

we all realize that this is just a silly game and tell the owners and players to go screw themselves?

It depends on whether the league believes in its own rules, and how much, and whether or not they are willing to live with the obvious “SK is an exception” thing. In other words, whether or not they will countenance obvious hypocrisy in the name of expedience for something they like.

yeah. i think they’ll learn to live with it.

i’m still on the boras bandwagon. keep continuity. and if it’s really true. that he’s regarded as a bright offensive mind. then go for it. instead of playing the oc musical chairs game.

well. we’re going to disagree.

i really believe the nfl will look the other way if it isn’t approved. in fact. kroenke would probably rather they not approve it.

normally i’d agree with you. and if this was a move to any other city. i’d believe it. but this is a move to los angeles. if it’s purely for vanity. if it’s just to squeeze a couple more million dollars a year out of us. if it’s to have superbowls. pro bowls. the draft. the combine. whatever.

i believe the nfl wants more of a presence in los angeles. yeah. it’s just a guess. but it makes sense to me. does it suck in a lot of ways. of course it does.

but yes. i would bet that the nfl would be willing to ignore its own rules just to do this.

if this was a move to san antonio. sure they’d enforce the rules hard. in this case, they won’t. and law enforcement will bend the rules if it favors them. i don’t think that’s impossible to imagine.

wv wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>InvaderRam wrote:</div>
you don’t get numerous proposals of stadium projects because they weren’t serious about it.

But you also didn’t get stadiums.

So how serious were they.

If you are an NFL Owner, who votes,
what is the Downside to letting Stan take the team
away from St.Louis and bring it back to Los Angeles ?

I’m trying to understand the possible downsides,
from the point of view of various Owners.

Whats the downside? Why would owners vote against it?

I wonder if there is a group of owners that dont
care one way or the other.

w
v

they could lose leverage when negotiating with their own cities.

jerry jones. kraft. i bet they don’t care. not sure about others. new york owners? the bears? washington? i guess wouldn’t care.

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>InvaderRam wrote:</div>
you don’t get numerous proposals of stadium projects because they weren’t serious about it.

But you also didn’t get stadiums.

So how serious were they.

i think that in the case of aeg i believe they wanted part ownership. i don’t think any owner was willing to give that up or they struck a deal with their home city making it more financially beneficial to them to stay. ok. i don’t know if this is actually true so blast away if i’m wrong but that was my impression.

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>InvaderRam wrote:</div>
don’t see why the nfl would be against this move.

Well the argument for them possibly being against it is to be found in their own relocation rules, which they put in place as a response to precisely this kind of thing (Cleveland to Baltimore, Baltimore to IND etc.) They didn’t want that then…meaning, not teams moving, but teams moving whenever ever they felt like it without a league-wide approval process etc.

Now if they violate their own rules they are setting it up to encourage more teams to do the same, which is precisely what they set out to avoid.

In terms of being in LA, in a lot of ways, having no team in LA is just as viable for the league as a whole. It means every NFL fan in LA watches NFL games every Sunday, just lots of different games. Having a team there doesn’t change that. It doesn’t increase revenue one bit. It might be nice to have a showy stadium in LA…I think that’s hopelessly superficial myself and kind of like wishing for the wrong things…but then that has to balance with whether or not they prize their own rules.

Now it’s clear why Stan wants to move. His one abiding concern is “increasing value” which trumps absolutely everything else. Personally I don’t admire those characteristics. In fact I think they’re socio-pathic. (Really, I do.) So we know why Stan needs to own the biggest and brightest. But that does not automatically mean everyone in the league prizes that over other considerations. I might mean that in the long run…but it’s not a slamdunk that it means that.

So there’s lots to unfold yet here, and lots to talk about still.

i think the nfl does want a team in los angeles. they want a stadium there. they want superbowls there. they just didn’t see a fit before. i think in the end they’ll see the fit here. an owner with the ability to finance a state of the art facility. and they’ll bend the rules to get that in this case. does it open it up for other teams to move? sure. but my guess is they’ll do it anyway.

and yes it could be considered sociopathic. but i would say the same is true for most of the owners as well as goodell.

i’m conflicted.

the selfish part of me wants them to move but every other part of me would like them to stay in st louis.

either way i’ll be watching them every sunday one way or another.

it’s going to be the jaguars. the owner has ties to st louis. the nfl wants to raise its profile and a move from jacksonville to st louis does that. good faith by peacock and a solid fan base will go a long way in the nfl recognizing and rewarding the city’s efforts.

this next year is going to be very painful. either way. i wonder how ugly it gets.

i agree. i’d like to see them hire cignetti. i don’t know if he’d change the scheme. but he’s at least be familiar with the personnel which would give him a leg up on any coordinator they’d bring from the outside.