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  • #16142
    PA Ram
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    Shotty’s Jets:

    Jets(2006): 18th

    Jets:(2007) 25th

    Jets: (2008) 9th

    Jets: (2009) 17th

    Jets: (2010) 13th

    Jets: (2011) 13th

    Post Shotty:

    Jets: (2014) 28th

    Jets: (2013) 29th

    Jets: (2012) 28TH
    ————————————————–
    Rams: (2012) 25th

    Rams: (2013) 21st

    Rams: (2014) 21st

    Shotty had one top ten offense in 9 years.

    All just bad luck? Maybe.

    Certainly the Jets nose dived after he left.

    But I don’t see what made him “special” in any way and while I hate the system change, he doesn’t stand out as someone who is an elite OC in any way.

    The biggest issue I have and had with losing him was changing the system.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16144
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i’m still on the boras bandwagon. keep continuity. and if it’s really true. that he’s regarded as a bright offensive mind. then go for it. instead of playing the oc musical chairs game.

    #16145
    wv
    Participant

    Shotty’s Jets:

    Jets(2006): 18th

    Jets:(2007) 25th

    Jets: (2008) 9th

    Jets: (2009) 17th

    Jets: (2010) 13th

    Jets: (2011) 13th

    Post Shotty:

    Jets: (2014) 28th

    Jets: (2013) 29th

    Jets: (2012) 28TH
    ————————————————–
    Rams: (2012) 25th

    Rams: (2013) 21st

    Rams: (2014) 21st

    Shotty had one top ten offense in 9 years.

    All just bad luck? Maybe.

    Certainly the Jets nose dived after he left.

    But I don’t see what made him “special” in any way and while I hate the system change, he doesn’t stand out as someone who is an elite OC in any way.

    The biggest issue I have and had with losing him was changing the system.

    I think maybe BS’s Jets may have been no.1 in Rushing?

    w
    v

    #16149
    PA Ram
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PA Ram wrote:</div>
    Shotty’s Jets:

    Jets(2006): 18th

    Jets:(2007) 25th

    Jets: (2008) 9th

    Jets: (2009) 17th

    Jets: (2010) 13th

    Jets: (2011) 13th

    Post Shotty:

    Jets: (2014) 28th

    Jets: (2013) 29th

    Jets: (2012) 28TH
    ————————————————–
    Rams: (2012) 25th

    Rams: (2013) 21st

    Rams: (2014) 21st

    Shotty had one top ten offense in 9 years.

    All just bad luck? Maybe.

    Certainly the Jets nose dived after he left.

    But I don’t see what made him “special” in any way and while I hate the system change, he doesn’t stand out as someone who is an elite OC in any way.

    The biggest issue I have and had with losing him was changing the system.

    I think maybe BS’s Jets may have been no.1 in Rushing?

    w
    v

    Those were overall offense numbers.

    Rushing:

    Jets(2006) 20th (Passing–17th)

    Jets(2007) 19th (Passing–25th)

    Jets(2008) 9th (Passing–16th)

    Jets(2009)1st (Passing–31st)

    Jets: (2010) 4th (Passing-22nd)

    Jets: (2011) 22nd (Passing-21st)

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16193
    zn
    Moderator

    first in offense
    those two years in NY.

    You never studied.

    #16194
    zn
    Moderator

    You know I have been thinking about this KS angle.

    He WILL bring that stretch/zone-blocking offense with him, and it does gain yards. Denver with Shanahan sr., Houston with Kubiak, now Baltimore with Kubiak. Even a couple of years in Washington (1st in rushing in 2012, 5th in 2013).

    Now some minutia stuff.

    I don’t know about Boudreau coaching it. I think I remember that he doesn’t lean toward it. But then who knows.

    Also…interesting thing. This kind of running game favors smaller, more athletic O-linemen. Well, what about doing it with BIGGER more athletic linemen? LIke Robinson and Saffold. Saffold is prized for his pulling as a guard…how far is that from playing in this kind of offense?

    Here’s something on it with a lot of pics. I don’t post it just link it cause pics pics pics.

    An introduction to the Gary Kubiak offense

    http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/baltimore-ravens/introduction-gary-kubiak-offense/

    Football is back and the Baltimore Ravens have a new offense to acclimatize to. New offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak has installed his version of the west coast offense passing game combined with the zone-blocking scheme. While we only saw the Ravens starters for one series in their opening preseason game last week, we did get a glimpse of what is to come from the new system.

    The foundation of Kubiak’s offense is the zone running game. Every team in the NFL will mix between power and zone running schemes, but Kubiak comes from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree that uses almost exclusively zone blocking.

    #16225
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

    jrry32

    Schotty was better here than he was given credit for and he’ll probably do extremely well at UGA and end up with a head coaching gig. Look at how Cam Cameron is doing in college…and he was a 10x worse NFL OC than Schotty. Schotty is no Sean Payton but he’ll be successful at the college level.

    Some guys just aren’t rational when it comes to Schotty. Lets also not forget that Schotty was the QB Coach in San Diego while Brees and Rivers were there. Bradford’s mechanics, pocket presence, and pocket movement all improved under Schotty. And his stats have been on the upswing since Schotty arrived.(TD to Int ratio improved dramatically over each of Bradford’s first three 8 week periods with Schotty/Cignetti).

    I would like the Kyle Shanahan hire. If it’s not Shanahan, it’s Boras IMO.

    Top 10 offense in Houston with Schaub. Top 5 offense in Washington with RGIII. And Cleveland’s offense looked somewhat decent this year with nothing until Hoyer turned to garbage.

    Although, I’m not sure how the blocking scheme will work seeing as Boudreau is more of a PBS guy and Shanny is a ZBS guy.

    Just requires guys with lateral agility that can cut. Auburn ran some zone in college. Robinson fits either scheme. Saffold fits either scheme as well. Plenty of athleticism. Saffold was destroying people while pulling last year. He’s a former LT. He has the feet to play in a ZBS at OG. But if we go to a zone heavy scheme, Barksdale, I’m not sure he fits. But the other two both have the feet, imo, to handle a ZBS.

    #16228
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I always look at trust when I want someone. There are different kinds of trust. You can trust someone to do what you want. You can trust someone to be good. You can trust someone to be what they are. I think Shanahan might fit all kinds.

    Agamemnon

    #16240
    wv
    Participant

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I always look at trust when I want someone. There are different kinds of trust. You can trust someone to do what you want. You can trust someone to be good. You can trust someone to be what they are. I think Shanahan might fit all kinds.</span>

    Well in any of Fisher’s gazillion years
    in Tennessee, did he use a predominantly zone blocking scheme?

    …i wonder if he thinks that ZBS fits Tre Mason better.

    w
    v

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by wv.
    #16242
    wv
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    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

    The offensive coordinator Rex Ryan is most likely to bring with him to Buffalo is 49ers OC Greg Roman, per source.

    Filed to ESPN: Bills putting finishing touches on deal that will make Rex Ryan their next HC, per sources. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
    Just a couple more I’s to dot and T’s to cross, but Rex Ryan now expected to be the next Buffalo Bills HC. First domino falls!

    #16250
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Well in any of Fisher’s gazillion years
    in Tennessee, did he use a predominantly zone blocking scheme?

    …i wonder if he thinks that ZBS fits Tre Mason better.

    w
    v

    I don’t think it makes much difference. It seems all the teams use parts of different things. Nothing is pure anymore. 4-3 3-4, zone power, west coast not west coast, they all seems to include parts of each other. It is more about philosophy. imo

    Agamemnon

    #16253
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i wish they’d make a decision already. all this uncertainty is getting to me.

    from reading some pre-draft articles people seem to think mason would be a great fit in a zone blocking scheme.

    but i’m not sure fisher used a zone blocking scheme at tennessee. i read that chris johnson ran in a power blocking scheme at tennessee.

    #16262
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Agamemnon

    #16264
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I’d rather have Shanahan than Roman so I hope that’s true.

    Of course, there’s no guaranty that the Rams will get Shanahan.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16265
    zn
    Moderator

    wv wrote:
    Well in any of Fisher’s gazillion years
    in Tennessee, did he use a predominantly zone blocking scheme?

    …i wonder if he thinks that ZBS fits Tre Mason better.

    w
    v

    I don’t think it makes much difference. It seems all the teams use parts of different things. Nothing is pure anymore. 4-3 3-4, zone power, west coast not west coast, they all seems to include parts of each other. It is more about philosophy. imo

    Well that’s not really the case though with the Shanahan/Kubiak circle. They use predominantly zone schemes, far more than anyone else. It’s not the “mixed bag” you see with most teams. And the Rams under Schott were predominantly a power blocking scheme.

    There would be a marked difference. The Shan/Kub circle just runs zone blocking far more than other teams–it’s their thing. It’s their signature.

    #16349
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Agamemnon

    #16353
    PA Ram
    Participant

    You have to wonder how easy it will be to get a guy they really want–someone who has any sort of demand.

    There’s the distractions of moving the team(or not moving it).

    There’s uncertainty at QB and a woeful offensive line.

    There has to be at least some concern over how secure Fisher will be if he has another season of losing.

    In short—it may not be the most desirable job available.

    On the plus side: great defense.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #16354
    zn
    Moderator

    There’s uncertainty at QB and a woeful offensive line.

    Injured.

    It’s different.

    Replacing 2 interior linemen is not this huge challenge.

    In fact, as a study I posted once shows, since 93 and the era of the cap and free agency, every NFL team changes OL starters at the rate of 3.5 every 2 years.

    In that environment replacing 2 is nothing.

    #16681
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

    ==

    BigGame81

    I just read Kyle Shanahan turned down SF

    And with Kubiak possibly going to Denver, Shanahan would go to Baltimore.

    I don’t think Shanahan will interview for the Rams job.

    #16692
    zn
    Moderator

    I just read Kyle Shanahan turned down SF

    And with Kubiak possibly going to Denver, Shanahan would go to Baltimore.

    I don’t think Shanahan will interview for the Rams job.

    Kyle Shanahan turns down offer to interview in San Fran

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/16/kyle-shanahan-turns-down-offer-to-interview-in-san-fran/

    Kyle Shanahan wanted out of Cleveland, but there are apparently other places he doesn’t want to be.

    According to Dianna Mari Russini of NBC4 in Washington, Shanahan turned down an offer to interview for the vacant offensive coordinator job in San Francisco.

    He’s in play for some other coordinator job, and would likely be a candidate in Chicago or Atlanta, once the dust settles with those head coaching hires.

    He’s also interviewed with the Rams, but the idea that he might not want to work with Colin Kaepernick (or under Jim Tomsula) still seems a bit odd, given the early success he had with a run-pass quarterback in Washington.

    #16715
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i wonder if the rams’ quarterback situation has offensive coordinators wary of taking the job.

    #16717
    zn
    Moderator

    i wonder if the rams’ quarterback situation has offensive coordinators wary of taking the job.

    Remember, the pool of potential OCs is huge.

    All people are talking about right now are the recently fired experienced OCs (though KS quit, he wasn’t fired). That’s a small group.

    But traditionally you also get OCs by promoting position coaches. Mostly qb coaches, but also WR and TE coaches, and sometimes OL coaches.

    There’s up to 128 of those, potentially.

    The thing is, we as fans just know less about that type.

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