Agamemnon wrote:

I would prefer hiring the GM first, but hiring the coach first is OK, too. In fact, I prefer hiring Ron Wolfe and letting him set up football for the Rams. He can decide if he wants Demoff and Snead and how much they get to do in the football side. Who the GM or coach is, etc. Of the listed candidates, I guess I might like Kyle Shanahan?

i do want a football operations side, and i don’t want demoff to be part of that. if it was ron wolf i’d be ecstatic. demoff just has way too much power in this setup.

i don’t know about mike shanahan in that role. i mean i know he’s a superbowl winning head coach. i don’t know how he’d be as an executive.

Agamemnon wrote:

I don’t know how much credit belongs to Fisher vs Snead.

that to me is huge. we don’t know. how much of the grob and austin picks were fisher and how much were snead? but conversely how much credit does fisher get for picking donald and how much does snead get?

i would trust snead more in picking a coach than i would demoff.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

dak prescott is still playing well. i don’t necessarily buy the argument that he’s being propped up by the offensive line and elliot. certainly it makes a difference but not THAT much of a difference.

Read the first post, this thread. It isn’t just that he’s propped up by those things. Dallas limits what they let Prescott do. They have enough of an offense around him so that they can scale what they ask of him way back.

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no i understand. i still don’t agree.

he still has to make plays. i’ll put it this way. put carson wentz or jared goff in that offense, and i’m not entirely convinced they’d be better. even while scaling back their responsibilities. or maybe even as good.

i think it’s too early to give definite marks on guys like gurley, goff, and the offensive linemen.

free agency is important, but the team will be handcuffed until 2018. it’s important that they develop the talent they currently have. some of the linemen i feel have talent. gurley and goff i think still have tons of potential.

i’ve made it once. definitely used the jalapeño. onions. used ham hocks. i think it was effective in giving the beans a smoky flavor. put in some chili powder.

nittany ram wrote:

Part of me wishes they hadn’t fired Fisher – just forced him to get a new OC like Turner or somebody. He may have fired Boras at the end of the season on his own anyway.

well that’s the pr part of this move.

some of this came down to being able to sell a new stadium in 2017. i’m curious as to what could have been done with a veteran oc. then again fisher could have done that this year.

what would have been interesting too is if fisher hired shanahan as the offensive coordinator. i believe he interviewed for the job.

i look at the continuity there. he hired a qb coach he worked with at washington. the oline coach was from seattle. worked under cable who worked under gibbs.

there seems to be a shared vision there on the falcons offense. everyone is on the same page.

what can we say about the rams offense? were they just parts slapped together by jeff? did they even come from the same system? does that matter?

certainly a lot of it was a pr move.

but while i can’t speak for them, i was getting tired of the fact that there just was no rhythm or rhyme to this offense. after 5 years it just didn’t seem like they had any idea what they wanted to do. that boras hire was just bad.

nittany ram wrote:

Of the names being bantered about I like Shanahan and Shaw the best, although I am having to supress a deep seeded revulsion to the possibility of anyone named Shaw being associated with the Rams again.

I could live with Gruden too. The rest of the names don’t trip my trigger.

i’m really warming up to the idea of shanahan.

at first i wasn’t thrilled mostly because of his dad, but he’s been several different places and had success. matt ryan is by far having the best season of his career. it’s not even close. but he’s also worked with young qbs like schaub, robert griffin and cousins. and he’s had strong running games as well.

and while i was at first wary of his dad, i’m thinking he’s got a wealth of information and contacts at his disposal. those denver and washington offenses had very strong running attacks. i think he’d be a good guy to squeeze as much as he can out of gurley and the offensive line. maybe even a guy like alex gibbs could come on as a consultant.

yeah. i think he’d be an excellent match. just wonder if he’d be interested and if he would want to work with goff.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by InvaderRam.

what kind of pies do you make? ever make any meat pies?

play him. play the shit out of him. he needs reps.

for example keeping rob boras will mean certain doom for anyone associating himself with the rams offense. it will be a black hole for nfl offense. sucking in and crushing anything that comes within its gravitational pull.

i exaggerate i know. but could a hire have been more screwed up than that one?

zn wrote:

If he doesn’t it won’t matter who the coach is.

i partially agree with you.

certainly if he doesn’t have it in him, it won’t matter who the coach is. yeah.

but even if he does have it in him, he will need the right people around him.

now of course he could be a superstar type talent where it really doesn’t matter, but i wouldn’t bank on that. those are rare. most of the time my belief is it isn’t just any one person. it’s having the right mix of people.

and that extends beyond just hiring the right coaches. he’s gonna need an offensive line. he’s gonna need receivers.

and of course hiring the right coach depends a lot on goff and donald and gurley being the right guys for that coach. it’s not just a one way street. if you don’t have the players it won’t matter who the coach is.

can i also just add that this game was for jeff?

yikes.

i think goff’s competitiveness got the best of him. i liked that he wants it, but yeah, he’s gotta have awareness.

i liked a lot of his throws. some beauties. still inaccurate at times. my friend texted me that he looked off balance on that throw. i think he’s pressing, and he’s probably a little overwhelmed or frustrated. i’m slightly encouraged, but they have to improve this oline. they have to fix the running game, and they gotta get him some receivers who can catch. or he’s going to go the way of david carr instead of derek carr.

donald was back to his disruptive ways, although those penalties at the end made me cringe. he needs help. he needs some edge rushers to take pressure off him.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by InvaderRam.
• This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by InvaderRam.

let me just say that i do NOT want gruden as the rams’ next head coach. i think this whole qb whisperer label that’s been attached to gruden is complete myth. i don’t know of one instance where he’s developed a qb. if they pick gruden, it’ll just reinforce to me that demoff should not be making football decisions. it would just be a sizzle name to attach to the rams with no real substance. just another freaking pr move.

i’d rather have someone like a harbaugh or arians or mccarthy. guys who have a proven track record of developing young quarterbacks. or maybe there’s someone we don’t know about. i don’t care. that’s why they need a football guy making these decisions.