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znModeratorTHE NARCISSISM OF THE ANGRY YOUNG MEN
What to do about the deadly misfits among us? First, recognize the problem.
By Tom Nichols
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Why is this happening? What are we missing? Guns and anomie and extremism are only facets of the problem. The real malady afflicting these men, one about which I’ve written much in the intervening years since that original article, is the deluge of narcissism in the modern world, especially among failed-to-launch young men whose injured grandiosity leads them to blame others for their own shortcomings and insecurities—and to seek revenge.
August 4, 2023 at 9:11 pm in reply to: the 2023 OL thread (w/ definitive article posted on 5/30) #144730
znModeratorfrom * https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-training-camp-takeaways-notes-practice-thursday/
Interior of O-line may be taking shape
According to LAFB, Tremayne Anchrum Jr. and Steve Avila “seem to be locking down the guard spots.” That’s hardly surprising, given Avila’s draft pedigree and Anchrum’s strong standing with the coaching staff. Also, Brian Allen got all the first-team reps on Thursday, according to LAFB, but Coleman Shelton has also had practices where he got all the first-team reps.
znModerator9 takeaways from Rams’ 6th practice of training camp
Cameron DaSilva
* https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-training-camp-takeaways-notes-practice-thursday/
The Los Angeles Rams are into their second week of training camp, which means players are getting more confident and comfortable on the field – particularly the young guys who are in their first NFL camp.
After a sloppy day on Tuesday, the Rams bounced back with what seemed to be a much cleaner day, according to Raheem Morris and Mike LaFleur, who spoke after practice. There were a few standout players on both sides of the ball, including Cobie Durant, Puka Nacua and Stetson Bennett.
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Cobie Durant stands out in coverageThe Rams are going to lean on Durant as their top cornerback this season, moving him around the formation in his “star” role. And on Thursday, he seemed to have a great day in coverage, highlighted by two pass breakups during team drills. He deflected a pass intended for Austin Trammell down the left side and then got his hand on a pass that was thrown to Puka Nacua, preventing completions on both throws.
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Cooper Kupp considered day-to-dayOffensive coordinator Mike LaFleur said after practice that he doesn’t know all the medicals, but he doesn’t seem concerned at all about Kupp’s injury. He considers the receiver day-to-day and said “he’ll be back in the right time,” a sign that Kupp will return when the games matter.
“So he is just going through the rehab process, but he’s day-to-day. He’ll be alright,” LaFleur said.
Kupp was out there on Thursday but he wasn’t practicing. He was only a spectator without pads.
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Stetson Bennett is sharp againBennett is still splitting time with Brett Rypien as the backup to Matthew Stafford, but he seems to be getting better with each day of training camp. According to team reporter Stu Jackson, he threw a touchdown pass to rookie Xavier Smith, a pass that had great placement.
Play-by-play analyst J.B. Long also added that the ball was in a perfect spot, mentioning that Bennett had a few nice throws in practice on Thursday.
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Logan Bruss working at RT with the backupsBruss has been projected to play guard with the Rams but the team is moving him around and giving him look at tackle, too. According to Ryan Anderson of LAFB, Bruss got reps at right tackle with the second-team offense. He played tackle in college so it’s not an unfamiliar position for him, but it’s still noteworthy that he’s getting opportunities to line up there – a spot that’s unquestionably occupied by Rob Havenstein in the starting lineup.
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Ben Skowronek returns to practiceSkowronek has been sidelined with a back injury but he returned to practice on Thursday. The Rams were already a bit thin at wideout with Cooper Kupp out, so it’s good for them to have Skowornek back on the field – no pun intended.
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Puka Nacua getting reps as a returnerNacua seemed to have another solid day, once again working with the first-team offense and Matthew Stafford. He made an impressive catch along the sideline, but that wasn’t the only notable thing he did in practice.
He also got some opportunities to work as a returner, which isn’t something he did in college. He’s known for being shifty with the ball in his hands so perhaps the Rams think he can help in that phase of the game this season.
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Brycen Hopkins has a good dayAccording to the Rams’ official site, Hopkins stood out in a positive way on Thursday. He got snaps with the first- and second-team offense, making a couple of nice plays on the receiving end of throws from Stafford, Bennett and Rypien.
Tight end Brycen Hopkins made plays across all facets of situational work Thursday. Besides making a nice catch on an intermediate pass from Stafford during team drills, he also was on the receiving end of a Bennett pass that picked up a good chunk of yardage and helped move the ball a 2-minute drill. That same series, he hauled in a shorter pass to keep the drive moving. In redzone work, he caught a touchdown pass from quarterback Brett Rypien.
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Timarcus Davis getting first-team repsThe Rams don’t typically share video clips from practice that show who’s working with what unit, but in the brief snippets of Durant’s pass breakups, you can see a handful of players working with the starters – including undrafted rookie cornerback Timarcus Davis. That’s an unexpected development, and while it doesn’t mean he’s on track to start, it’s certainly worth noting.
Christian Rozeboom, Russ Yeast, Quentin Lake and Byron Young were also out there with the starters.
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Interior of O-line may be taking shapeAccording to LAFB, Tremayne Anchrum Jr. and Steve Avila “seem to be locking down the guard spots.” That’s hardly surprising, given Avila’s draft pedigree and Anchrum’s strong standing with the coaching staff. Also, Brian Allen got all the first-team reps on Thursday, according to LAFB, but Coleman Shelton has also had practices where he got all the first-team reps.
znModeratorfrom https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2023/8/4/23820837/sean-mcvay-rams-49ers-josh-mcdaniels-head-coach
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McVay said that his interview with the 49ers went so well because he was riding high with confidence after nailing his talk with L.A. Rams owner Stan Kroenke, general manager Les Snead, and COO Kevin Demoff and that San Francisco owner Jed York told him he was one of three finalists.“Jed York told me I’m either hiring you, Kyle Shanahan, or Josh McDaniels. He’s like “Wow, this is really impressive.” That went well and the Rams ended up hearing how well that (interview with the 49ers) had gone. Well, Kyle was still playing (the Falcons were in the playoffs and he couldn’t be hired until they were eliminated) so they couldn’t meet with him again…I don’t know if they had connected with Josh or not. The very next day, the Rams flew me back to go have dinner and then I never left L.A.”
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McVay also made it clear that though he seriously contemplated retirement after the 2022 season that he is no longer thinking in that direction. McVay noted that he is very interested in being a part of the media one day but that it is not in the “near future” anymore. The Rams head coach sounded aware of the fact that nobody knows what’s going to happen this season with so many uncertainties on the roster and that “there’s more competition on our team than there’s ever been since the first year in 2017.”So even if L.A. does have another underwhelming season, McVay sounds ready to be a part of a “reset” that takes multiple years and that he won’t question his commitment to being a football coach any time soon. On the struggles of 2022, McVay said “I wasn’t the best version of myself,” but that he learned more from going 5-12 than he did from winning the Super Bowl.
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znModeratorStreaming now on @thepivot YouTube channel.. Head coach #SeanMcVay of the @RamsNFL has a new approach to this season. Gotta let ‘em hang!!!
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znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue
Jordan Fuller, Russ Yeast and Quentin Lake are getting into a groove with each other in the secondary. I asked DC Raheem Morris about Lake moving around a lot in camp and he confirmed he’s working on both safety spots, and dime linebacker.it’s a normal subpackage in this system but you saw a lot of injuries/guys who weren’t able to do it previously and then you also had the benefit of Ramsey at star
Individuals looking crisper/more focused on offense today. Must have had a good couple walkthroughs after some issues earlier this week.
Warren McClendon has been dealing with a knee injury but he’s suited up and will practice in some capacity today.
Brycen Hopkins. He’s having a really nice camp
znModerator10 Observations from the Rams’ fourth open 2023 training camp practice: A back-and-forth day of game-like situational work
Aug 03
Stu Jackson
* https://www.therams.com/news/10-observations-rams-fourth-2023-open-training-camp-practice-game-like
IRVINE, Calif. – Thursday’s open practice at 2023 Training Camp presented by UNIFY Financial Credit Union featured the most extensive work on game-like situations yet, with plays made in those settings by both the offense and the defense.
Here are 10 things that stood out from the session:
1) Kupp a non-participant: After leaving Tuesday’s practice with a hamstring injury, Kupp was not dressed out for Thursday’s practice. However, he was still very much involved, spending as much time as possible coaching up the group alongside wide receivers coach Eric Yarber.
2) Skowronek returns: Ben Skowronek was on the field again after missing Tuesday’s practice with back soreness.
3) Competitive 1-on-1s: This portion of practice perhaps set the back-and-forth tone for the rest of the evening. Quarterback Matthew Stafford connected with wide receiver Van Jefferson with defensive back Cobie Durant in coverage, but Durant bounced back a few plays later with a pass breakup of his own. Tutu Atwell caught a deep touchdown pass from Stafford with defensive back Robert Rochell in coverage, then a short touchdown pass from Stafford with defensive back Tre Tomlinson in coverage. Rochell bounced back not long after with a pass breakup on a Stetson Bennett pass for wide receiver Puka Nacua; Tomlinson likewise by deflecting a Stafford deep pass down the sideline intended for Jefferson.
4) Offense threatens, until defense comes up big in redzone: One of the best series during situational team drills came when Stafford rifled three-straight completions to Jefferson, Atwell and Nacua to get the offense into opponent territory, only for the drive to later end with a near-interception by linebacker Christian Rozeboom near the goal line to prevent the offense from scoring.
5) Denied by Durant: Durant also had an impressive pass breakup during 11-on-11 work, deflecting a Stafford pass intended for Nakua near the sideline. However, arguably his best one of the day was a leaping-backward pass breakup where he full extended his right arm to prevent a deep Stafford completion to wide receiver Austin Trammell.
6) Denied by Taylor: Rookie defensive back Jason Taylor II likewise came up with a timely pass breakup of his own, denying a Bennett pass intended for Demarcus Robinson in the endzone during team drills that fired up Los Angeles’ defensive backs on the sideline.
7) Going up: Tight end Tyler Higbee had one of the best catches of the day when he hauled in a jump ball on a Stafford pass during redzone work for a touchdown.
8) Good day for Hopkins: Tight end Brycen Hopkins made plays across all facets of situational work Thursday. Besides making a nice catch on an intermediate pass from Stafford during team drills, he also was on the receiving end of a Bennett pass that picked up a good chunk of yardage and helped move the ball a 2-minute drill. That same series, he hauled in a shorter pass to keep the drive moving. In redzone work, he caught a touchdown pass from quarterback Brett Rypien.
9) Akers, Williams find the endzone: Running backs Cam Akers and Kyren Williams both scored touchdowns during redzone work, Akers while bouncing to the outside and Williams while punching it in up the middle.
10) Jonah in the backfield: Defensive end Jonah Williams’ penetration to blow up a run play at one point during team drills was so good that it drew cheers from his teammates and defensive line coach/run game coordinator Eric Henderson.
znModeratorRams Training Camp Dispatch- Aug. 3rd: Defense Edition. Defense Reins Supreme As Offense Sputters
Observations and Notes of Rams Training Camp: Defense Edition
Ryan Anderson
IRVINE, Calif. — If there were winners and losers at Rams training camp, the Los Angeles Rams defense was the winner, but that could be because the offense was just so sloppy. But the defense made good plays and prevented the offense from scoring up until the last few sessions.
Rams Training Camp Positional Breakdown
Secondary
Cobie Durant had the best day of all the cornerbacks. He swatted away a pass from Matthew Stafford intended for Austin Trammell with an athletic and heads-up play. Without his effort, it would have been the first touchdown of the day. He also deflected a pass away from Puka Nacua with a perfectly timed wave. Durant gave up a catch to Ben Skowronek, but he did everything possible to prevent it.
Tre’vius Hodges-Tomlinson continues to play a very physical brand of football. With his size, it’s needed but will pass interference penalties prevent him from getting on the field?
Tanner Ingle makes at least one impressive play every day. Today was, what would have been, an aggressive run stop on a Stetson Bennett scramble.
Quentin Lake subbed in for Jordan Fuller with the first team in the second half of the day.
Defensive Line
Other than Aaron Donald, there is plenty of rotation along the front three. The day started off with Marquise Copeland and Bobby Brown. But Earnest Brown, Larrell Murchison, and Jonah Williams all had their share of snaps. The latter, made an explosive run stop when he burst through the offensive line and blew up in the run play in the backfield. Zach VanValkenburg made a similar play later in the day on the 2nd team.
Edge Rushers
Rookie 3rd Rounder Byron Young played all the 1st team snaps opposite Michael Hoecht. Sophomore, Daniel Hardy, played on the 2nd team.
Linebackers
Ernest Jones and Christian Rozeboom have been the 1st team go-to duo at Rams training camp. Rozeboom made another athletic pass breakup by using his freakish vertical jump.
znModeratorRampage2K-
8/4
it was a beautiful day with temps very mild low humidity and a nice breeze, unlike other years where it was hot and muggy….
The Rams have two fields and mix it up on which one they will have the live scrimmage, so you have to guess correctly to get a good spot….but knowing this, I did some recon and good some good info from a nice young lady who was setting up the video opps. She told me what field it would be on and I was on my way to snag a good spot.Had a great upclose view in the corner of the endzone that they usually use and had some great looks at the action…
All in all, it was a pretty good energized practice, sometimes a little bit too much, as McVay stopped it 3/4 into the live scrimmage and pulled whole team to middle of the field and I’m guessing it was a “calm the eff down!” speech before they continued with the scrimmage.
OL was
Noteboom LT
Avila LG
1 Allen 2 Shelton at C
Anchrum RG
Havs RTAllen and Shelton were rotation but the others were set as the 1’s
DB’s look very good, tons of energy and some very sticky coverage
Stafford looks very healthy and just whipping that ball
Kupp was out there coaching up
Akers looks like a new man, he was ripped and just much bigger looking
Evans looks like a carbon copy of Akers
Puka was getting a ton of targets
Atwell looked like a new man also, put on some muscle and was catching everything thrown to him….could be breakout year for him
Donald still just a game wrecker…the rookie is getting some good reps going against that monster
Young looks the part
Hopkins looks like he wants some playing time this year
Bennett is small, but has a gun.
Cobie is a flat out playmaker
Tre is bigger that his stats and looked good
Sko had a great catch for a first down
VJ is going to be pushed by some really good looking prospects in DeMarcus, Puka, Johnson etc…
Lake looks like our starting S along with Fuller
Not a whole lot as there is too much to take in in such a short period of time, but it was a great time!!!
Love the energy this young team has this year
znModeratorSo Ram
8/3
Have to give Brycen Hopkins total Props!! He has been so GOOD!! In training camp over his 4 years he has improved so much. He looks just as good as Tyler Higbee.They line them up wide(both) & they will both be NIGHTMARES for DB’s.
He scores at will. I have watched him as a RAM & he in NFL games is NASTY.He makes a play & comes up with power & wants to beat the DB up.I mean I’ve said last season a couple times like settle down wtf? I like his fire but never understood him.He has seemed like a trouble child.He has grown & matured.
-NOW he gets it. He is STRONG. RUNS solid Routes.He stays under control & goes over the middle with a purpose. EVERY BALL is his.
I look back at the Superbowl year & Hoplins was lost & Blanton really stood out. NOW HOPKINS looks as good as Higbee.They run the same routes & look the same. IN FACT imo Brycen actually looks stronger attacking the ball in the air.He will be TOUGH IN THE REDZONE.—IMO that was one of the things The Rams were going to concentrate on is 12 personnel.There is going to be a lot of power plays The Rams will have.
Hoecht has probably lost 10 Lbs & playing at 275?? Hoecht is lining up as OLB Left side (Floyd) & Copeland is inside of him on the Leftside as DT/DE. Bobby Brown looked alright,but Jonha Williams is really GRINDING!! He has a nice motor. Going to find his way onto the Grass.
Alaric is probably close to 320? He is tall & thick. For some reason I might go out on a LIMB & say Jackson starts at Guard(LG ?).
znModeratorThe Rams are moving Quentin Lake around, even plugging him in as a linebacker in dime packages. That should allow him, Jordan Fuller and Russ Yeast to play a bunch of snaps together this year https://t.co/CzG1LntkIb
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) August 4, 2023
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Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen (you too Merlin),
It was a good day of practice for the Rams yesterday, very heated at times. they were really getting after it in 11 on 11. My observations are gonna be vague, I didn’t have my voice recorder or a roster with player #’s.
Day started with warmups, Xavier Smith, Nacua, Kyren Williams, one of these will be K and P returner. A Jackson was first player out on the field, Mike McCallister in shells pulling a wieght around behind him, did not practice.Watched QB’s take snaps and make short passed to WR’s covered by one DB, wow, these WR’s are making some hard sharp cuts, DB’s doing well to cover, some of these youngster DB’s look very good. (sorry, they have their shirts rolled up, can’t see #’s)
11 on 11. O looked pretty good. The defense, especially the DL and pass rush not so good. Bobby Brown was 2nd string and a big disappointment to me. Slow and gets gassed after a few plays. They just aren’;t very big up the middle. AD getting tripple teamed and the rest of DL can’t get push. No pressure from the edge. I know its just one day’s observation, but man, that’s got to improve.
The OL looked OK, they need time to gell though, Shakey at times. Avila will be fine with work, Noteboom and Jackson took turns at LT with the ones, Allen played exclusively with the ones and Shelton the twos. Anchrum and Havenstien are locked in with the ones. Brusst played with the second team at RT and got his ass handed to him on more than one occasion. He needs work, although he does look better to me than he did last TC. Maybe T is a better option for him than G.
Middle LB is another huge concern, Jones is on his own, the rest are bench warmers at best.
Team practiced hard today. WR group stood out as did some DB’s (wished I could give some names). DL and edge are a concern. Lets see how they scrimage vs Chargers and perform in pre-season games. Still remains to be seen if McVay will sit all his starters. some of these guys need all the practice they can get. Avila and most of edge and DB’s for sure.
znModeratorWe're through five practices at Rams training camp. Here are some notes and observations https://t.co/GTjdX9s231
— Adam Grosbard (@AdamGrosbard) August 1, 2023
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Rams camp through 5 practices: New strategy for Aaron Donald, battle for WR3, more
Rams coach Sean McVay has sent double- and triple-teams toward Donald more than in previous summers, which is what the three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year can expect from opponents
By ADAM GROSBARD
IRVINE — The Rams had their fifth day of training camp on Monday, and their first in full pads. Here’s a look at what we’ve learned through the first week of camp as the team prepares for 2023:
NEW BUT FAMILIAR LOOKS FOR DONALD
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald finally found himself with a clean look during 11-on-11s, going up one-on-one against fourth-year tackle Alaric Jackson. But before the three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year could pull a move out of his bag of tricks, tight end Tyler Higbee came pulling in to reinforce Jackson on the run block.
It’s been a lot of this for Donald in training camp this year as the Rams coach Sean McVay has slid protection against the 10-year veteran and sent double- and triple-teams his way more than in previous summers.
“I was kind of mad because you want to be able to work different things. But it’s realistic so I appreciate him doing that for me, allowing me to make my job hard at practice and making me study a little longer at night,” Donald said. “So it isn’t going to do nothing but make me better.”
Donald has faced extra blockers throughout his career. But there’s reason to expect more such looks this season. As veterans such as A’Shawn Robinson, Greg Gaines and Michael Brockers have found new teams over the past few seasons, it leaves Donald as an even more glaring matchup for opposing offenses to plan for.
“It’s what we would do if we played him, too,” McVay said. “What happens is if you don’t [replicate that approach at practice], you get very unrealistic looks for some of the things that he’s able to do for his teammates and his side of the ball.”
BATTLE FOR THIRD WIDE RECEIVER
Cooper Kupp and Van Jefferson entered camp as the unquestioned top targets for quarterback Matthew Stafford, but there are several options angling to join them in the starting 11.
Fifth-round selection Puka Nacua has been a contender early in the camp. He’s gotten consistent snaps with the first team during 11-on-11s and has made some impressive plays, like a breadbasket catch in the end zone courtesy of a nicely thrown ball by Stetson Bennett IV.
But what’s impressed coaches and teammates most is Nacua’s early grasp of the playbook.
“This is my job now. It’s the best thing in the world, I get to wake up and do nothing but football,” Nacua said. “When I get the opportunity to run with the ones, to understand where Matthew wants me to be and understanding the timing of the play because it’s not like everything’s about being full speed. You gotta be at a certain spot at a certain time.”
Fourth-year receiver Tutu Atwell has also gotten some chances with the first team, including Monday as Jefferson received a rest day.
But one of the standouts of camp has been veteran free-agent signing Demarcus Robinson. Every day he’s seemed to make at least one highlight play, through contact or in the air. After one end-zone catch on Monday, he got a big high-five from McVay.
“It’s not too big for him,” McVay said. “He’s just got a good look in his eye. He’s got a good swagger. You can just see the way that he even just moves around the field, he’s got confidence. He’s one of those guys that wants the ball.”
QUICK HITS
• Bennett received the majority of the first-team work on Monday as Stafford had a scheduled day off. The fourth-round pick has had his moments in camp, particularly while on the run or throwing deep, but he has struggled with maintaining his arm strength when throwing in the pocket.
• The Rams have two ongoing position battles along the offensive line. Jackson is competing with veteran Joe Noteboom at left tackle while Brian Allen and Coleman Shelton have traded first-team reps at center.
• Rookie defensive back Tyon Davis had one of the top plays of the first day in pads, delivering a walloping hit to running back Zach Evans and forcing a fumble.
• Cornerback Derion Kendrick is day-to-day with a sore hamstring, with McVay saying he could come back this week or be held out until next.
znModerator.@AndrewWhitworth sharin' some knowledge with @Stevelavila after practice. 🤝 pic.twitter.com/K0W70FO86K
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 2, 2023
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Individuals looking crisper/more focused on offense today. Must have had a good couple walkthroughs after some issues earlier this week.Jordan Fuller, Russ Yeast and Quentin Lake are getting into a groove with each other in the secondary. I asked DC Raheem Morris about Lake moving around a lot in camp and he confirmed he’s working on both safety spots, and dime linebacker.
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Raheem Morris mentioned that Quentin Lake has been playing some linebacker. It is a huge position of need after all.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Not in my opinion – it’s a normal subpackage in this system but you saw a lot of injuries/guys who weren’t able to do it previously and then you also had the benefit of Ramsey at starDime LB in a subpackage in this defense is not the same position as a “base” LB, if that is helpful.
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znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefterRams’ OC Mike LaFleur on the status of WR Cooper Kupp, who hurt his hamstring this week: “He’s day-to-day. He’ll be back in the right time and stuff like that. So he is just going through the rehab process, but he’s day-to-day. He’ll be alright.”
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znModeratorOn offense it all depends on the OL but then they have a long list of holdover players with experience on that OL. That’s the silver thread in the middle of the 2022 OL injury hurricane. They do not lack for OL players (and adding Avila is a big plus, literally and figuratively).
On defense I think some are mistaking “don’t know yet” for “they have nothing.” When we don’t know yet we don’t know yet, and that’s not the same thing as authentic pessimism. I think odds are a lot of the guys we don’t know about yet will actually work out and stick.
The D depends on a lot of developed 2nd through 4th year players. We don’t yet know how much talent that amounts to. It all depends on guys like Hoecht and Copeland etc. Most if not all of the new starters have been in the system and know the coaches.
From the looks of things it will not only be a re-tooled defensive rosters but also a new strategic approach. In the off-season Rodrigue reported that Morris and the Rams staff were (direct quote) “sick to death” of constantly facing quick ball control passing. They strategically shifted away from a team built around Donald and Ramsey to being a team whose front 7 is more aggressive and quicker.
From what I can tell right now, it’s really only 1 rookie who might start (Young). We know Fuller will start at safety though I have no idea who the other safety will be–most likely a 2nd year guy. I will just do the other 9, though warning–I haven’t researched this in any thorough way and am just doing it off the top of my head. The rest are all 2nd through 4th year players, the main candidates being Hoecht, Copeland, Brown, Rozeboom (I think), Durant, Kendrick. Of those that’s 3 2nd year players (4 if you count my unnamed 2nd safety) and 3 3rd-4th year players. That’s along with the previous starters–Donald, Jones, and Fuller. So they could have possibly 1 rookie, mixed in with 3 former starters, and 7 2nd through 4th year new starters.
Having said that, it might be hard to name “starters” are every position for a while. Odds are they will do a lot of rotating, so at some positions the “starter” just may be situational. Like (just a wild guess) Young and Hardy sharing a spot and rotating.
How about 2001 as a comparison? The main reason for the defensive re-tooling in 2001 was the complete collapse of the defense in 2000. in 99 the Rams D was 4th in points and 6th in yards, in 2000 they were 31st in points and 23rd in yards, in 2001 they were 7th in points and 3rd in yards. So what they did in 2001 worked.
In terms of the additions, the 2001 D started 4 free agents/trades, 2 rookies, and 6 carry over players (counting Little so making it 12). Of the carry overs, 3 had been starters previously.The 2023 D will start: no FAS, at most one rookie, 3 previous starters, and 7 2nd to 4th year carry overs who had not started previously (though many of them played previously). They don’t have the veteran FAs 2001 did, but unlike 2001 it’s not a new defensive system.
Is that a lot of turnover? Yes. But it’s also a lot of players who know the system and coaches. I could see a situation where they start out at 1 level then cohere during the season and take it up a notch. Not promising a top 5 defense in 23 but it could be a lot better than the more pessimistic accounts tend to think it will be.
Conclusion: I doubt the changes in 23 will be as dramatic as in 2001 (of course), but I also am betting it won’t be as bad as some are predicting.
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9. Matthew Stafford, Los Angeles RamsThe 35-year-old gunslinger had his 2022 season cut short due to a bruised spinal cord injury. During training camp, however, Stafford has been moving well and showing off a live arm. If the Rams can figure out how to consistently pass protect up front, Stafford could put up big numbers again like he did during L.A.’s Super Bowl season. As a reminder, he threw for 4,886 yards and 41 TDs in 2021.
znModerator1st team all-pro selections
super bowl eraonly 5 players have been named 1st team all-pro more often than donald, and they played 4-11 years longer. pic.twitter.com/iKeIvOJmAF
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) August 2, 2023
znModeratorRanking the 11 best wide receiver duos 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞
Which tandem would you add? pic.twitter.com/qJmc1oxvhX
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9. Rams: Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt
Isaac Bruce was one of the best. His receptions total (1,024) ranked fifth, and his receiving yardage (15,208) placed him second in NFL history at the time of his retirement. Torry Holt was a shade behind Bruce in their career totals but a bit better than him when the two were key cogs in the Greatest Show of Turf.
These guys played together a long time, from Holt’s rookie 1999 season that ended with a Super Bowl victory all the way through to 2007. In the year 2000, under Mike Martz, the Rams averaged nearly 34 points per game. Bruce was targeted 135 times. Holt was targeted 139 times. They combined for 274 receptions for 3,106 yards (194 yards per game) and 15 touchdowns.
They won one Super Bowl and could have, or should have, won one more.
znModeratorGood luck running on these guys 😤@Andy_Benoit ranks the top nine on-ball run defenders in the NFL and @camjordan94 grabs the top spot 💪 pic.twitter.com/27FLPQjzsQ
— The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) August 2, 2023
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8/1
A few quick observations…I seemed to spend most my time looking up names/numbers on the roster! It’s always tough the first day out, but so many new players!Kupp and Donald look awesome, shocker. Kupp in particular impresses me that he just seems to get better every year, even at this stage of his career.
Akers looks ready to rock. Added weight and his cuts look just as quick and he’s playing with aggression. Zach Evans impressed me, more than the film I saw. He’s a powerful back and also runs with agression. Looked like the second best RB to me.
OG Avila dominated Marquis Copeland the couple plays I focused on him.
Kupp, Higbie, and Bryce Hopkins stood out as receivers.
Stetson Bennett looks very fast, he easily beat Byron Young to the sideline. Maybe not Lamar fast, but faster than Mahomes or Russell in his prime. I’d compare him to Steve Young, showing my age. As it has been pointed out, he looks confused in the pocket but really excels throwing on the run.
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8/1
QB take- I didn’t look at who was who.Matthew Stafford did not suit up.
I knew Bennett was 13. I know Rypien is like ??? Don’t know much about The Rams other QB.
Don’t know why I didn’t bother,but it is a new QB group.—Stenson Bennett was outstanding.He took ownership of The Rams offense.
1. Seriously comfortable in the pocket.He keeps his eyes downfield,goes through his progression,& lives for another down,but keep’s pressure on the defense.
2.He brought back what a WINNER he is.That game against Ohio State was one of the most amazing games from a QB ever.He Carried Georgia on his back.
3.Don’t think there is much more,but he has a little Baker Mayfield in him.Meaning he can make all the throws.Wolford & Perkins couldn’t.
The other QB’s were ok ??(Run game).
—Matthew Stafford showed up basically after practice? Fans were going CRAZY!! The kids were going CRAZY.I don’t know if he was signing autographs?? There is a line & each day different groups come out to sign.TE – have to bring up Tyler Higbee. Then his twin brother Brycen Hopkins.These guys are WEAPONS & nightmare matchups in The Red Zone.
The Rams finished off practice just dominating on OFFENSE!!
Hopkins & Higbee couldn’t be stopped & he’s Cooper Kupp always has to be brought up when talking unstoppable.The first TD HOPKINS had Tomlinson was guarding him. I think he even hit him before the ball got there.NO ONE WAS going to STOP Hopkins. DUDE is DIALED IN IMPRESSIVE.I’m like JACKED UP!! Mcvay was as well.He came up to Hopkins & then Threw it right back to him for another TD!! PRACTICE ENDS!!
#83 is a big guy & looked good in warmup’s.He did a drill though with a Dummy & just ate it.He ran it over,but actually he probably went about it right & would have maybe drew a PI?
Niko K was interesting to watch.The drills WR/TE Ben Sko on one side & then Kupp on the other side. Then Hopkins & Higbee.
I swear it was cool to see the similarities. PERFECT MENTORSHIP!!! Sko & Hopkins have really improved their game. It shows year (Sko )& 4 (Hopkins). BEN SKO- what a STUD!! I could have gotten band from here because I was so down on him.
I WAS WRONG!!! From first training camp to NOW Ben Sko just continues to WaoRak HARD & IMPROVE his GAME!! You can see that.RB’s Cam Akers is finding holes inside.His hood vision & stays low.At the end of practice he ran for a 3 yard TD. His running ias consistent.He doesn’t do that run after the whistle thing.Didn’t see any really if those long plays from him either.
—I don’t know how else I can say it but POWER.The Rams whole concept is POWER & Protect.This Mike Lefluer has what he wants to do laid out.This OFFENSE is DESIGNED To RUN.
— Rivers is a nice young RB.There was a play he got to the 5 yards line. I’m Saying POWER &!that’s what he was.He had at least a CB & LB trying to STOP him & his feet didn’t STOP & carried them in the Endzone.This kid 30 is going to make the team.I LIKE ME SOME RONNIE RIVERS.In blocking drills he is SOLID!!
Tiyon Evans???? #27 ???
Zach Evans #21 is still raw,but the effort is there.He is such a straight up RB.I have to question if he makes the squad.Looks like a preseason RB,gets cut & on the practice squad.Wasn’t impressed.—Kyren Williams is the real deal.He gets to the edge nice & hard to tackle.Never squares up.Runs at angles & has good vision. (Really like him as a PT guy as well ???)
Noteboom was The Rams starting LT for the most part.
He was in & I told this guy they were in motion & watch Noteboom.He pulled from let to right & turned once he got to the edge & turned back to block & seal. BEAUTIFUL Play Call & Design.
Noteboom just DOMINATED Byron Young all day from what I saw.
Alaric Jackson would alternate with him & late in the practice screamed to put Noteboom in.First day in Pads,but he looks BETTER than ever !!!!
Anchrum was play RG & he fits as a guard.As much as I haven’t liked him he looks strong.It takes players from College to The NFL to get that body frame.
He is an example.Everyone on here last year liked him in the preseason.His injury sucked & A.Jackson played that RG position well in his absence.
— Shelton might have been with the first team ?
—Brian Allen looked sore afte the first drill snapping to the QB’s.
A. Jackson is BIG,he does well.LT is going to not be a concern IMO.
Steve Avila is just a pure Guard.He locks up well & holds that LG spot down well.He really helps The LT to relax.He can be trusted on stunts & supporting the inside pass rushThe Defense- I LOVED BOBBY BROWN.He made a Big Play & started pounding his chest.That got me Fired Up.Let him know my appreciation.
There is #50? Don’t know why he keeps standing out? Learning numbers isn’t easy. Ernest Jones didn’t standout to me,but wasn’t watching him much.
—Rozeboom looks like a core special teams player.That’s a way to make the roster.
-Hummel was alright.There are some big boys out there though.Was on the sidelines & not watching ,but the Defense stop the offense a few times early in practice.I think the group in whole is solid.
Hoecht is basically taking over for Floyd at OLB LDE. Copland is on the inside as DE.
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The poor people in that house! The iceberg is obstructing their view.
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znModeratorElvis
just heard Snead on the radio, said the usual stuff but one thing he said was you could go your whole career as a GM and not find a Matthew Stafford or a Cooper Kupp or an Aaron Donald so he’s not ready to sell this team too short…
znModeratorBennett will likely be the backup to former UGA quarterback and No. 1 overall pick Matthew Stafford. Still, Stafford recognizes Bennett’s ability on the field, stating previously, “He’s got great athleticism, throws the ball well, and does a lot of things really well.” Rams HC Sean McVay wanted Bennett to prove himself and push him to earn the backup role to Stafford, which Kirby Smart also did while Bennett was at Georgia.
“I’ve been really pleased with him,” McVay’s statement concerning Bennett. “The one thing that stands out is when the ball is in Stetson’s hands, the game makes sense to him – he’s fun to be around.”
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