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znModeratorAhkello Witherspoon: 36.7 passer rating allowed this season An incompletion on every throw is a 39.6
That’s my favorite post of the day.
znModeratorFeel like Byron Young had Jalen Hurts in his grasp a couple of times. Forces Hurts to bail the pocket here and then forces an incompletion and gets the QB Hit. pic.twitter.com/KT2xGVKtHq
— Blaine Grisak š (@bgrisakTST) October 10, 2023
znModeratorReally excited to see more from Ochaun Mathis. His 14.3% pressure percentage ranked 10th among EDGE defenders in Week 5.
Can really see his overall athleticism and explosiveness. Unfortunate slip here, but most QBs that's a sack. pic.twitter.com/I6qVfoB8X9
— Blaine Grisak š (@bgrisakTST) October 10, 2023
znModeratorAhkello Witherspoon: 36.7 passer rating allowed this season
An incompletion on every throw is a 39.6
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— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) October 10, 2023
znModeratorThis is a tackle that Cobie Durant has to make in space. Has four missed tackles on the year.
Among DBs with at least 200 snaps, his 18.2% missed tackle percentage ranks 43/62 via PFF. pic.twitter.com/yXhwmQPzeo
— Blaine Grisak š (@bgrisakTST) October 10, 2023
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueSource confirms Rams are looking to trade WR Van Jefferson; here are some notes on the factors involved.Coaches have lauded Jeffersonās long speed and route-running ability and his knowledge of multiple receiving positions, but he has had a relatively slow start to 2023 with just eight catches for 108 yards.Jefferson is a free agent after this season, and the Rams donāt often extend receivers — also a factor in a potential move. A trade could mean more usage for Jefferson by another team, a positive thing for him in a contract year. In potentially moving Jefferson, the Rams could be looking to add to other parts of their roster.
The return of Cooper KuppĀ from a hamstring injury and the emergence of rookie receiverĀ Puka NacuaĀ and third-year receiverĀ Tutu AtwellĀ are major factors here for Jefferson, who (outside of injuries in 2022) has been a productive contributor to the offense.
znModeratortime to buy a #73 rams jersey, this kid is the real deal. pic.twitter.com/daahrvHxw9
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) October 10, 2023
znModeratorEagles put a TE on Mathis and it's no issue for the rookie.
Need to be able to tackle Hurts here. Can see Young's frustration immediately. Knows he has to do better.
Another missed tackle from Durant. pic.twitter.com/FBjLIMCNEp
— Blaine Grisak š (@bgrisakTST) October 10, 2023
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_LongFrom the 2020 MNF win at TB to Stafford’s first TD to Champ’s Super Bowl birthday to the game-winner from Baker, Van was a wonderful Ram. On the short list of the nicest athletes I’ve had the privilege of working with. Hope this gives him an opportunity to thrive for rest of ’23.
znModeratordotson, pff's #3 ranked offensive guard thru week 5, not putting up with any shit. pic.twitter.com/mN2hMSt6gE
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) October 10, 2023
znModeratorIMHO. There’sĀ Skowronek, Robinson, and Trammel, each of whom could offer at least as much as Jefferson was doing (in a contract year). Even if it’s just one of those who produces at a 4th WR level, Jefferson made himself expendable.
znModeratorJAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENNot a fan of the trade. Pick swaps 2 years for now over a likely at least 7th round comp pick in 2024?.Cameron DaSilva@camdasilvathat’s kind of just the going rate for underperforming players in contract years.comp pick would come in 2025, not 2024. also clear almost $1M in cap space now
znModeratorIt wasnāt just the lack of snaps that seemed to point to this being a possibility, but also McVayās comments here in response to @sarahbarshop question in yesterdayās press conference https://t.co/qL1mroMmY0 pic.twitter.com/qTmhdSwwwo
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) October 10, 2023
znModeratorThis was a play McVay was very unhappy about after the game. Not good enough from Williams. Pushes Reddick wider and into Stafford.
May have had a chance to hit Atwell deep with protection. pic.twitter.com/LiMq7h3p3A
— Blaine Grisak š (@bgrisakTST) October 10, 2023
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTOver the past two games, Rams iOL Kevin Dotson is the fourth-highest rated guard via PFF. This season, Noteboom is the fourth-lowest graded guard in the NFL via PFF.
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersIf youāre not going to get a comp pick and thereās 100% chance of a player not being re-signed, why would it hurt to swap picks in your favor? Kyren Williams (2nd year), Puka Nacua (rookie) and Tutu Atwell (3rd year) are all playing better than Cam Akers and Van Jefferson did.
znModeratorCharles (Super CHAMP Chuck)@cpenn4thewin
Looks like AD needs another All-Pro on the defensive line again⦠I keep saying it but yāall think Iām crazy⦠Stop putting that man in All-Time categories he donāt belong inRams24/7@Rams24_7
AD has 105 career games. 0 fellow DL have received an All Pro during that time.His 3 DPOY years he played next to:
2017: Quinn, Barwin, Brockers, Westbrooks
2018: Fowler, Ebukam, Brockers, Suh
2020: Floyd, Joseph-Day, Brockers, Eubukam
No room for false narratives here
znModeratorZN, Good point about ends or edges not generally lighting it up with sacks as rookies. I havenāt looked at other players, but had to check on Deacon. In just 14 games, 6 starts, he had 9.5 his first year (or more). They werenāt doing āofficialā tallies at the time, so they may have missed some. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDe00.htm
On Jones, that’s one of the rare great starts. As you would expect. (BTW the “unofficial sack list” you refer to is universally taken as valid. It came from watching film. It will never end up as official stats but is taken as a strong and solid indicator.)
But then look at other 1st years by other Rams edge rushers:
Jack Youngblood, in his 2nd year, had 6 sacks.
Kevin Greene, in his 2nd year, had 7 sacks.
Kevin Carter, in his 1st year, 6 sacks.
Grant Wistrom, in his first year, 2 sacks.
Chris Long, in his 1st year, had 4 sacks.
James Hall, in his 1st year, had 1 sack.
Robert Quinn, in hisĀ 1st year, had 5 sacks.
Dante Fowler, in his 1st year, had 4 sacks.
I didn’t count Leonard Little because it was off the field stuff that kept him from starting his first couple of years.
Then there are the great exceptions, usually high draft picks, who start fast. In his 1st year, Lawrence Taylor had 9.5 sacks. In his 1st year, Von Miller had 11.5.
znModeratorNot an easy window to hit but Stafford has to hit this one and has made these types of throws this season. This is a walk-in TD.
The Rams are *good* offensively and are still not playing clean football. The arrow is pointing up. https://t.co/ZE3UqOfLpS
— Sosa Kremenjas (@QBsMVP) October 10, 2023
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueBald numbers per TruMedia, when Rams are up at least 7 they run on 58% of snaps, T-6th with 49ers. When Rams are down at least 7 they run on 16.3% of snaps, third-lowest..JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGEN.1st in Reception % Allowed (40.9)
1st in Coverage snaps per Reception (19.2)
2nd in Opp. QB Passer Rating (36.7)
T-2nd in INTs (2)
5th in YAC allowed (28).Jay@jballerr2gsWe were basically a couple bad passes or on the wrong page deep throws to Kupp from winning that game. So many points we left out there. They could not cover kupp.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThey run on 23.6% of plays when down three points,Ā fourth-lowest.
znModeratorI just wanna know why Young didnāt wrap up⦠https://t.co/vq11vqWh29
— Rams Fans United (@RamsFansUnited) October 9, 2023
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Notable PFFĀ grades from Rams loss vs PHI…Kupp 82.3
VanValkenburg 79.1
Witherspoon 77.8
Bobby Brown 76.5 (injured late)
Kyren 70.9
Stafford 69.5
Havenstein 69.1—
Limited snap counts, but very good outcomes:
Duke Shelley 84.9
Earnest Brown 81.3
znModeratorThe middle or inside receiver fade is hard to stop. Not taking anything away from the throw and difficulty of the scenario. You just probably notice that a lot of these routes are getting targeted around the NFL and with success. https://t.co/Rak22r7Ct0
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) October 9, 2023
znModeratorJAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENKyren Williams in his first year as a starter has been everything the #Rams could have asked for in their 5th round pick 2nd-year guy:3rd in DVOA
5th in VOA
3rd in Success Rate
4th in DYAR
6th in YAR
4th in Pass Pro Efficiency
15th in Rush YDs
T-4th in Rush TDs
12th in First Downs
T-16th in Missed Tackles Forced
16th in Yards after contact
7th in RB REC YDs
znModeratorMichael Hoecht started his career a defensive tackle and is listed at 311lbs.
Even if he's slimmed down to play on the edge, please take the play that had him covering Dallas Goedert vertically from the slot and BURN IT WITH FIRE.pic.twitter.com/QczcFwQMKW
— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) October 9, 2023
znModeratorELITE route running.
šŗ @NFLonFOX | š @CooperKupp pic.twitter.com/iKyDqUpK5Y
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) October 8, 2023
October 9, 2023 at 3:50 pm in reply to: reporters, twitter, etc. on Eagles game. + the “big articles” #146014
znModeratorRodrigue: These L.A. Rams are still waiting to meet their own potential
Jourdan Rodrigue
INGLEWOOD, Calif. ā It would be fair, I think, to look at these Los Angeles Rams from a couple of perspectives at the same time: that of the optimist, and that of the pessimist.
After a 23-14 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, just a week after the exhilaration of an overtime win in Indianapolis, I want to create space for both because I think both are true.
The optimist: This team is better than expected. Remember those expectations throughout the spring and summer, or lack thereof? The old, injury-riddled quarterback Matthew Stafford, the aging (and also injury-riddled) receiver Cooper Kupp, the āno-nameā defense with a bunch of young dudes and star Aaron Donald as their chaperone? Fourteen rookies on the 53-man roster? Tanking? Projections of flat-out aā kicking by teams far worse than the Super Bowl-contending Eagles? Remember?
Itās not the conversation around this group now, but now there are also expectations.
The pessimist: The Ramsā issues seem largely self-inflicted, they certainly were Sunday against a physical, multiple and well-built Philadelphia team that doesnāt often allow much margin for error. Head coach Sean McVay said as much when literally pounding the lectern in his post-game news conference.
āThere (are) opportunities that I know weāre capable of making, and then weāve just gotta be able to string it together,ā he said. āI believe that this team is capable of making those plays. I know they are capable of making those plays. ⦠Iām not making excuses at all, because we expect to accelerate our progression, and I believe in this group. (But I) am disappointed with the inability to play off of one another. ā¦
The pessimist (and the realist): There was little support from the offense, and 23 points allowed should have been enough to win. Still, the Ramsā defense also allowed too many explosive plays (seven plays over 15 yards, including five pass plays and a Jalen Hurts scramble) and was a disaster on third down, especially third-and-long. The Eagles were 13 of 18 on third down, but of the 10 plays that were third-and-5 or longer, the Rams gave up seven conversions including a touchdown.
Some of the more glaring breakdowns keep happening. In losses to the Eagles and in Week 2 against the rival 49ers, defensive gaffes in late-clock situations especially right before halftime have dramatically impacted the game. Sunday, with about 30 seconds left in the second quarter, starting cornerback Derion Kendrick gave up a one-handed outstretched catch to receiver A.J. Brown on third-and-1 and Brown raced down the field toward the end zone. Kendrick, who did know he had to try to bring Brown down in-bounds, was flagged for a costly horse-collar penalty on the play while attempting to do so.
āThat was tough,ā McVay said, āIt was almost identical to the way that things played out against the 49ers. It was, in some instances, deja vu. We gotta figure out how (we can) be better in some of those situations.ā
The sequence got the Eagles to the Ramsā 14-yard line, and Kendrick was flagged for pass interference on the next play. That got the Eagles to the 1-yard line, where they were gifted the opportunity to run their highly effective ātush pushā play, and took a 17-14 lead into halftime.
āSā, third-and-1, I should have played off (coverage) instead of pressing,ā Kendrick said, ā(he) just made a good catch, for real. And then on the P-I ⦠I was on top, digging back for the ball (and) trying to play through him. They said I pulled him. I just keep playing the way Iām playing, some refs are going to call it and some aināt. And Iād say on two plays, I just (have to) stay stickier to the receiver. On the play where I got the horse collar, Iād say Iād probably (next time) play his top shoulder more instead of trying to undercut it. I probably had someone (a help player) flashing back in my window to knock his head off.ā
McVay said he likes the way Kendrick competes and reiterated the need for the entire team to play āall four quarters.ā He cited their failed drive coming out of the half, including their inability to turn an interception by cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon into points. Stafford agreed.
āIn the same respect,ā Stafford said, āour defense goes out and gets a turnover, you know Ahkello (Witherspoon) makes a great pick on a tough drive, a long drive, and shoot, gives us life. And we donāt go score. I mean, there are just opportunities for both sides of the ball to just grab the momentum and kind of run with it. We werenāt able to do it.ā
The optimist: Many of the Ramsā issues are self-inflicted, and can be corrected. While Stafford and Kupp were automatic in a target-heavy first half of Kuppās return from a hamstring injury, connecting for six catches for 95 yards (including crucial third- and even fourth-down conversions), the two missed each other on a couple of throws in the second half and Kupp was limited to 23 yards during that time. On two deep balls against what Stafford would normally consider favorable man-coverage, they had timing issues (those specifically are timing throws, Stafford reiterated) in part because of how the Eagles were playing Kupp off the line of scrimmage, including trying to make contact through the motion concepts that usually get the receivers clean releases.
āThose are plays that I believe that weāll hit, those are looks that weāre looking for,ā McVay added.
A play in the fourth quarter called for running back Kyren Williams as chipping help for rookie tackle Warren McClendon, suddenly in the game in place of veteran right tackle Rob Havenstein as the Rams went for it on fourth-and-12 from their own 41-yard line with 2:50 left to play (that was when they went for it, by the way, not on fourth-and-5 from their 42-yard line with 10:05 left to play, sigh). Stafford was sacked for a loss around that right side.
While it is a fixable moment (optimism!), McVay uncharacteristically voiced pointed frustration about the failure there.
āI saw us not do a good job of chipping. We had a chip on that right there, (but) we accelerated (Haason) Reddick into a rush,ā McVay said, āthat was really poor execution on our part. Those are the things that make me very upset.ā
The pessimist: Some self-inflicted problems are becoming patterns, or are shadows of long-established problems. Down just three points at the start of the third quarter, the Rams, who started the second half on offense, ran three consecutive pass plays (one a penalty) and only converted a very long third-and-26 run because of a flag for a facemask against Williams. Through the entire third quarter, McVay called a 10-to-3 pass/run ratio, even though the Eagles didnāt score.
āI thought we were getting off looks that we wanted,ā he said, āI just think the margin for error was really small.ā
When the passes stalled, the Ramsā offense was sent off the field too quickly (giving a possession team like the Eagles plenty of time to run their top-of-sheet game plan). The Rams couldnāt sustain their second-half drives on the other side of a six-point effort by their defense.
Witherspoon intercepted Hurts in the end zone midway through the third quarter, and the Ramsā offense couldnāt score on the gifted possession.
āHuge turnover, Ahkello gets that pick in the end zone,ā Kupp said, āthat is something that you want to turn into points offensively. We just kind of stalled out there, we didnāt execute as well as we should against a good Eagles team that possesses the ball like they do. They really make you play a really good game offensively, and we had too many mistakes. Felt like it was right there, right there for us.ā
After a 168-yard, two-touchdown first half, the Rams managed just 81 net yards in the third and fourth quarters.
The Rams have struggled in the second half of four of their five games this season, and are averaging only 6.3 second-half points per game in their last three, the fourth-worst in the NFL.
āWe gotta go back and watch the film, really watch the film and see what that is,ā Kupp said. āAt the end of the day, it comes down to us executing. You see a lot of stuff in the first half, and you kind of see the patterns, see what youāre getting. They make some adjustments, we gotta come out and we gotta be able to adapt and respond to that. Iām not saying coaches, Iām saying as players. You gotta run your routes and understand that things are gonna be different. You might be running the same route, but theyāre playing it differently. Second half, they made some adjustments. (We need to) try to give Sean, give Matthew the widest range of successful outcomes no matter what look youāre getting and I think we gotta do a better job of that. Weāll be critical of ourselves watching this film tomorrow.ā
So, itās a little of both ends of the emotional spectrum. After a game like this, itās OK to be an optimist, a pessimist, or both at the same time. Itās all true, if you think about it.
And whichever way you lean about these Rams, the singular, bald truth is this: The fans of this team, and the players on it, and the coaches and the front office are all waiting to meet their own potential.
Weāve seen their potential, much like weāve seen their ability to legitimately play complementary football. Weāve all seen the proof, if they can just get out of their own way and keep growing in the process.
āI think you see it in spurts,ā Stafford said. āItās just, can you go out there and do it for the full game? And I donāt know if youāre going to do it on every single drive, but can the standard be a little bit better, to just go out and execute at a higher level?
āI know we are doing everything we can, putting in the work. Continue to work, trust that work that we do put into it on a weekly basis, (and) go out there and trust yourself on game day. Itās never going to be perfect. Football is played in the gray. ⦠But just go out there and do everything you can to be fundamentally sound, go out there and execute. Let the chips fall where they may, at that point.ā
znModeratorsounds like it was eagles defense making second half adjustments and the rams offense failing to counter that but also having to weather injuries. Ā and then of course the rams defense made some critical errors.Ā especially before the first half ended ā kendrick.Ā also i think the rams defense could have tackled better.Ā too many broken tackles for extra yardage.Ā
I tend to agree with those points.
Along with Stafford being off in the 2nd half.
Here’s the thing. They’re starting a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year guys all at once, along withĀ a few rookies. That’s the disadvantage of re-tooling the way they decided to. But they have a top-notch qb. When Stafford can play at his best, they can compete. When he’s less than that by any degree, they struggle. But then how well Stafford plays depends on the things around him–protection, WR performance, run game performance. That’s of course true of every team except it’s all dramatically starker in the case of the Rams.
The defense is disadvantaged by being inexperienced too. Like their pass rush. Three guys have considerable promise–Young, Turner, and Mathis. Cool. Except. As a rule, if you look back at all the great pass rushers in NFL history, they seldom if ever get multiple sacks as rookies. It’s rare if a rookie pass rusher beats those odds. So how will the pass rush look next year? Maybe one or more of those three guys will definitively break through. But till then–they stay where they are, which is 25th in the league in pressure percentage and 27th in the league in sacks.
znModeratorTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimesIt’s really remarkable that in 2 of Rams 3 losses, Derion Kendrick had 2 penalties each time that led to the other team scoring a touchdown on the final play of the first half. It’s not all on Kendrick of course, just interesting that he’s been involved that way both times..JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENDerion Kendrick has definitely improved for the #Rams. However, while he is 2nd in reception % allowed and 12th in opposing passer rating allowed…The fact is his misses are massive. The 5 penalties have been game-shattering. So much so you could argue for Duke Shelley starting in his place.,
znModeratorRams Tapes@RamsTapesShould we see more of Duke Shelley in the starting rotation? In his limited snap counts he had a@PFF Ā grade of 84.9.JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENin 7 pass rush snaps and first action of his young NFL career, Ochaun Mathis had two pressures (was held on a would be sack)Ā -
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