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  • #143782
    Billy_T
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    Would like to hear everyone’s take.

    Just off the cuff, I think these players start as rooks:

    Avila, guard, with Pro Bowl potential, Young (high impact edge), Turner (opposite Donald at DE/DT, solid), Hampton (edge, solid), Hodges-Tomlinson (nickel, with crazy athleticism).

    They get snaps (or more) from:

    Allen (becomes big time Red Zone weapon at TE)
    Nacua (3rd or 4th receiver)
    Mathis (edge rotation)
    Zack Evans (spells Akers. May end up being major steal, if healthy)
    Ethan Evans may end up as their starting punter, if they can’t find FA help

    Taylor looks like he can compete for other safety spot. Freaky vert at 43. Tried to get him for most of my mocks.

    Johnson goes to Practice Squad.
    Bennett, hopefully, never has to take a snap.

    Of the starters listed, I’d say all of them offer upgrades to the roster as it sits right now, but I think they need to do better than Turner next season. As in, among the new upgrades, he strikes me as the first player to be upgraded in turn. Really like the Hampton pick, but they should be able to upgrade that spot next year too. He should stick long term for the Rams, but probably as a rotational guy.

    Among the guys getting snaps, I think they can upgrade Nacua, Mathis, and Taylor, pushing them to the bench as solid depth. McClendon likely sticks as solid depth from Day One.

    Again, just off the cuff. We’ll soon see.

     

     

    #143790
    zn
    Moderator

    That was a good read, thanks.

    #143801
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    love the avila pick. i’m hoping he can be this year’s starting center. also love the mcclendon pick. hopefully he starts at one of the guard spots.

     

    loved that they went after front seven players but not necessarily in love with who they picked although i did like the young pick.

     

    like the davis allen pick. the man with two last names. wish it had been washington earlier. but i’ll be rooting for him. hopefully he surprises people.

    #143815
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m still rounding up data but I have impressions.

    On offense, the Rams plugged in some pieces to keep an offense going that would have been good last year if it were healthy. Guard, depth at TE, RB, and WR.

    On defense, they changed their entire defensive strategy (note: I don’t mean scheme). Previously they had Donald but Ramsey made the secondary the unit of strength. They asked Ramsey to do a lot. Trading him IMO had as much to do with changing that focus as it did with cap space. Now, in this draft, they load up the front 7 and seem to be approaching it this way–the defense should be built around the front 7 and if that works, the secondary will come through, and will have both an easier job and simpler responsibilities. I don’t know how many players they took this draft will work out, but the clear strategy is to attack with a front 7 that lends itself to stunts and games and aggressive play.

    In terms of the secondary, they have candidates on the roster already who can play outside at corner but they lacked a nickel/slash/slot corner. And sure enough they take a guy who has the potential to be the best they ever had at the nickel/3rd corner position.

     

     

    #143931
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    Love the Availa & Byron Young picks. Love the Davis Allen pick as well. Not sold on the Kobie Turner pick, If we had to go DLine, I would have preferred Siaki Ika. That’s I’ll give this draft a B-. It’s above average. I can see us competing for the top pick in the 2024 NFL draft. It’s due to the amount turnover we got. I see most of our young guys, will be on our roster, when we win a Super Bowl, in a few years.

    #143954
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m still rounding up data but I have impressions.

    You know initially when they took Avila, I was disappointed–I thought, they have guards aplenty, why draft one. Ah but I quickly got over that. He may be one of the best guards they’ve ever had. Certainly at least in Saffold and Timmerman territory. A naturally huge, strong guy with left tackle caliber feet and movement, a team captain and leader, a head on his shoulders, has the right attitude, and plays with some anger. It’s really a great gift that a line needing interior guys with good feet find a big muscle guy who actually fits their style. This is the best Snead/McVay 2nd round pick of them all–they have actually been a little iffy with their 2nd round picks, but this pick has no doubts attached to it at all.

     

    #143962
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Something to consider. Unless I’ve mixed up the picks, the Rams traded Jalen Ramsey, essentially, for Byron Young and Hunter Long.

    Also, on strategy. I think it’s very smart to try to trade down within your board’s “clusters,” whenever possible. If you have takers, do it often — again, within your clusters. I wouldn’t do that if I’m thinking my team is one or two players away, at one or two positions, etc. I’d stick and draft “my guys,” with few exceptions. But few teams exist in that realm. The Rams certainly don’t. The trick is, of course, turning quantity into quality. If you can’t, it’s usually better just to stick and pick.

    I’d also say that the Rams’ 14 picks shouldn’t be seen as the top end. Lotsa ifs here . . . but if you have the cap room to sign a large rookie class, there are huge advantages to grabbing a very large group all at once, most of them pretty obvious. First and foremost, perhaps, you control your own window of opportunity for at least four years, and you can supplement the youngins with key vets (and vet holdovers).

    The above strategy is maximized if you have a First, especially an early one. There is a massive difference in pick value from Round One on down. For instance, the first pick is worth 3000 points. The Rams’ pick at #36 was worth 540. Once you get into the 5th round, the range has fallen to 37-18. The vast majority of the 7th round has just 1 point per pick.

    In the real world, that trade chart isn’t always used, or used to the letter. But it is a rough guide.

    #143963
    Billy_T
    Participant

    https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/trade-value-chart-2023?rd=1

    This is the standard value chart. Apparently, there are others. Updates that try to incorporate aggregate production for each round/range too.

    Just a guess. But I think the various mock simulators use different criteria for trades  — not the standard — with some more permissive than others.

    Anyway, interesting draft-takes here. Appreciate the responses.

    #143964
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Thought I should add this to the strategy deal. If it’s not already assumed, etc.  etc.

    I wouldn’t want to do that massive class every year, obviously. Hopefully, the Rams would hit on enough really good picks to cancel the need to go the quantity route more than once or twice. If all goes well, each year within the start of that first window, you’d need fewer and fewer upgrades. That lets them narrow their focus. Really, really need an Edge? Maybe change-up and trade up for the best. Wideout? Left Tackle? Etc.

    I’m betting that in the age of AI, NFL teams have software/algorithms to figure out optimum years for this sort of ongoing process. We could even give it a name, like the AD Window. Anno Domini/Aaron Donald, perhaps. I don’t think any team is really doing this yet, but they should, IMNSHO.

    Ideally, however, you’d want to build your team with a large influx of talent, all at the same time, and then add on with more and more focus until you lose enough of your first wave to do it all again. Keep the guys you should/can. Be smart about that, not emotional, etc.

    Lotsa Super Bowls will result.

    ;>)

    #143967
    zn
    Moderator

    the Rams traded Jalen Ramsey, essentially, for Byron Young and Hunter Long.

    Here’s another way to see that, which I have kind of already mentioned. I think they traded Ramsey for (1) 2024 cap space, and (2) a more aggressive, attacking front 7. How well the secondary does depends, I guess, on Rochell?

    One thing Rodrigue said in her excellent podcast this week is that “Rams” are “sick to death of the quick passing game getting to the defense.” (That’s here:  https://theramshuddle.com/topic/11-personnel-w-rodrigue-hammond-on-the-draft/ ). So I think what they’re doing is changing up the attack by adding all sorts of potential starters and rotational players to the front 7 with an emphasis on passing downs. Ideally you want to do that with Ramsey still on the team but they couldn’t both keep Ramsey and maximize the 2024 cap.

    BT, I agree with your thoughts about loading up one year and then drafting to add key pieces after that. I just tend not to call this a rebuild, it’s more like a re-stocking effort. If it were a rebuild they would be wasting Stafford, Kupp, and Donald. IMO they have enough at OL to score points, pull off a winning season, and force the opposing offense to play catch-up against a young defense (and I think that could work just often enough to make a difference).

    #143972
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Good thoughts, ZN.

    I get that view regarding the Ramsey trade. To me, it’s not so much that they made the trade, as it was their comp. And, of course, there’s a ton we just don’t know. Like, is Ramsey right when he says he never asked for a fat contract with huge guarantees? That he wasn’t trying to pressure the Rams about that? The gossip tried to paint him in a poor light, sparking his response, etc.

    Anyway, your point about being sick of the quick passing game screwing over the defense is well taken. I agree with that. They had to get faster, quicker, and more athletic along the front seven. Thing is, they could have helped their back end at the same time, IMO.

    Darius Rush (#138 to Indie), for instance, is a potential shutdown corner with excellent size and speed. Nearly 6’2″, long, 4.36 speed (21.65mph at senior bowl), Brugler had him as the #63 prospect overall and 9th best corner. He was there when they chose the QB at #128. I would have taken Rush instead.

    Also, Adebawore is roughly the same size as Turner, but a truly freakish athlete. He would have radically increased the speed, quickness, and athleticism of the Rams front seven, above and beyond Turner, who’s no slouch. The more I read about Turner, and see his interviews, the more I like him, but I think Adebawore is just Next Level, especially given the criteria Jourdan mentions. You just don’t come across guys like him every day. 6’1.5″, 282, running a 4.49 forty, with a 1.55 split, 37.5 vert, and a 10.5 broad. Just crazy stuff. Plus, he had 28 on the bench.

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    #143973
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Regardless, I like a lot of the picks, but I think they could have maximized their haul better, even if we just go by their own criteria. The usual caveats, of course. They have their own board. They have far more info, especially about medicals, backgrounds, interviews of coaches, friends, etc. etc.

    I get all of that.

    We all hope they did (and do) the right thing and the Rams make a swift comeback this year.

     

     

    #143979
    wv
    Participant

    I dont know enough to have a ‘take.’

    In general, I just dont see a lot of ‘playmakers’ on this team.   No Von Millers, Jalen Ramseys, OBJ’s, etc.

    I dunno what the ‘identity’ (as they say) of this team will be.  What are they?

    …So they are sick and tired of the quick passing games beating them?   Well, thats nice to know, but at this stage I’d be happy if they can just stop the run this season.  Can they?

     

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    #143981
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I dont know enough to have a ‘take.’ In general, I just dont see a lot of ‘playmakers’ on this team. No Von Millers, Jalen Ramseys, OBJ’s, etc. I dunno what the ‘identity’ (as they say) of this team will be. What are they? …So they are sick and tired of the quick passing games beating them? Well, thats nice to know, but at this stage I’d be happy if they can just stop the run this season. Can they? w v

    They let their best run stuffers go, or traded them away. That would be Robinson, Wagner, and Ramsey, with Floyd being pretty close to the top three. Wagner is elite against the run. So was Robinson. I think it’s safe to say the Rams don’t win the Super Bowl without Robinson. They don’t get there without Ramsey.

    Yes, they were in cap hell. But, again, they made that bed themselves. It wasn’t necessary or inevitable. The Rams simply didn’t have to take this nose dive after building a Super Bowl team. No one forced them to extend Stafford right after the Super Bowl, especially with those guarantees. No one forced them to do that with Kupp. Were those “feel good” moves? Yep. In the high after the Big Win, it felt great to reward the players. But it wasn’t at all smart, and it really hurt them long term.

    Those moves, among others, forced the sell-off, the giveaways, the off-loading. I don’t think there has ever been anything like it that soon after a Super Bowl win. And they received zero compensation for cutting Hendo, Burgess, Lewis, Hollins, Floyd, and Wagner. Zero. They didn’t even utilize their strategy of setting things up for good comp picks.

    The unforced errors frustrate me. But that’s what we get with McSnead. We get brilliance at times, mixed with proverbial head-scratchers and emotionalism.

    As for identity and playmakers? It’s the Stafford-Kupp show, again. I think they drafted a coupla guys who might alter things, in Zack Evans and Davis Allen. But we’ll see. If Evans is healthy, he’s likely the better, faster back over Akers, and Allen, if he gets the offense quickly, he can be amazing as a jump ball End Zone guy. Should make Stafford a very happy camper. Other than that, perhaps Jester surprises too and becomes a fan favorite, and there’s always Tutu.

    In short, the Rams are probably another draft away from creating a real identity. My take, anyway.

    #143982
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Also, identity on D. I think Young will have a big impact and make a lot of splash plays from the Edge. He may struggle a bit against the run, though. And there’s might mouse, Hodges-Tomlinson, to surprise us. Aside from crazy good athleticism, he’s fiery and non-stop on the field, and has a serious chip on his shoulder. A sorta NextGen Napoleon complex, with the drive and physical attributes to avoid Elba. And if Kobie Turner can’t win on the field, he’ll at least be able to sing the Rams to higher places.

    I think it’s safe to say the Rams will have plenty of “personality,” and they should be fun to watch. But we’re probably a coupla years away from contention.

    #143988
    zn
    Moderator

    But that’s what we get with McSnead. We get brilliance at times, mixed with proverbial head-scratchers and emotionalism.

    I don’t think that’s what we get. What we get is unpredictable actions that defy the norm. The Rams have solved “cap hell” before, with much more strategic cuts and contract restructurings. In fact they consciously and deliberately made the 2023 cap situation worse by just going ahead and taking the big hit on dead money. The idea was, rather than just fix things and going back out with the roster we had, let’s just make it a young team in 2023 while creating cap space in 2024. That’s not desperation moves, that’s a plan. It’s just an unconventional plan.

    I think what they did this time is just the exact opposite of trading for Ramsey during the season while off-loading Peters at the same time–but even though it’s the opposite on paper, it is still the same thing in this sense: a re-thinking of the ordinary process. This time, they went for a re-load and not the big “put us over the top” trade. It defies conventional wisdom but then so did trading for Ramsey and Stafford at the same time while taking rentals on Von Miller and Beckham.

    I don’t see the reload as wrong in any way shape or form. I don’t see it as a crisis in any way shape or form. I see it as them doing what they do–which is not going to be conventional wisdom.

    And they have remarkable success for a team that presumably has a lot of “head scratchers.” Only 1 losing season in 5 years and that was due to an absolutely unprecedented string of injuries, the likes of which we’ve never seen with the Rams.

    In the middle of that I do see a couple of issues. So I am not playing the homer card. I criticize the Rams regularly. To me McV was impatient with Goff and hurt his confidence, but then it’s hard to argue against trading for Stafford. I didn’t like the Atwell pick in round 2, but then this draft they didn’t make that kind of mistake and it’s clear they drafted a top shelf OL who will be there for 10 years.

    They didn’t have to reload in 2023 but IMO deciding to do so was very smart.

    Though…it had better work… 😎

     

    #144004
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I guess we just see the talent level and team management in a different light.

    I’d bet, for example, that if the Rams had no cap issues, they’d happily re-sign several of the starters that signed with other teams this time (and in recent years). A’Shawn Robinson, Greg Gaines, and Nick Scott stay, for instance. They happily keep Wagner, and don’t trade Ramsey. I’m also pretty sure they’d keep Floyd if they couldn’t trade him. They’d do this because losing them means defensive decline at their respective positions, plus the loss of major intangibles and glue-guys like Wagner.

    They didn’t have anyone as good behind them, and they still don’t, even after the Draft, IMO. I do have high hopes for Young at Edge, and Hampton as a solid rotational guy there, but that’s to be determined on the field. The Rams already knew what they had in their departing starters, and it was good enough to win playoff games, at least.

    And that’s just their own starters. Because of cap mismanagement, they also couldn’t bring in upgrades from other teams, and they were out there. They always are. Not only were the Rams unable to retain their own guys, they couldn’t dive into the free agency market. Lots of other teams could, and they gained ground on the Rams as a result.

    As for those headscratchers. Judging from the numbers of former draft picks defenestrated before their rookie contracts expired, it would seem the Rams FO thought they botched a few picks too.

    https://247sports.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/Team/Los-Angeles-Rams-683/DraftPicks/?year=alltime

    The loss of all of those 3rd round picks in recent years is especially troubling to me . . . .

    #144005
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I know the above sounds harsh, but it’s said out of, well, love for my favorite team — without pause, since 1966. Like everyone here, I want them to win, and win, and win some more. I guess we have different ways of navigating all of that.

    Plus, Head versus Heart stuff, to oversimplify. My heart wants to endorse everything they do, trust them to do what’s right always, and always hope for the best. My brain, however, tells my heart to give it a rest, and put down the koolaid. They go at it constantly  . . .

    :>)

     

     

    #144006
    zn
    Moderator

    I guess we just see the talent level and team management in a different light. I’d bet, for example, that if the Rams had no cap issues, they’d happily re-sign several of the starters that signed with other teams this time (and in recent years). A’Shawn Robinson, Greg Gaines, and Nick Scott stay, for instance.

    They couldn’t sign anybody because they went out of their way to take the dead money hits they did. That’s a conscious decision. They wanted to trade the 2023 cap for 2024 cap space. You yourself said the method of completely reloading every so often can be a good strategy. That’s what they did.

    And we’re all into head v. heart things. The trick here is just that our 2 heads see 2 different things!

    And to be fair I haven’t done this analytically by making a conscious effort to break down the actual numbers. But it’s my impression of what they’re doing–they’ve faced cap issues before and handled it by being more selective with who they cut loose and who they restructured. This time (IMO) they deliberately chose a reload year. That goes along with their overall strategy which, for the lack of a better term, looks impulsive from the outside. Sometimes that works (trading for Ramsey during the season when they already had corners) and admittedly at times it had flaws (they blamed Goff for shortcomings McV had as the qb coach of a still growing qb).

    #144007
    Billy_T
    Participant

    You kinda lost me here.

    They couldn’t sign anybody because they went out of their way to take the dead money hits they did. That’s a conscious decision. They wanted to trade the 2023 cap for 2024 cap space. You yourself said the method of completely reloading every so often can be a good strategy. That’s what they did.

    I’m far from being a cap expert, even remotely speaking. But it seems logical to me that the Rams never would have had those massive dead money hits if they had managed their cap better — plus their vets, acquisitions, trades, rentals, etc. And this seems to snowball in effect. The poor cap management forces the dumping of players, which forces more dead money, which forces the swap of one bad year for the next, etc. . . . . That conscious decision of trading bad years for good you mentioned was forced on them due to past mistakes, it seems to me. If they had handled player assets and contracts with more care . . . I don’t see them needing to swap one year of cap hell for the next.

    Again, all the usual caveats, as outsider, not insider. But it looks to me like the Rams in the McSnead era have been unusually fickle and impulsive at times . . . and, as mentioned before, often far too concerned with “doing right” by players they’ve decided to jettison . . . which has always struck me as kind of odd. Wouldn’t it show more respect to keep them on the team in the first place?

    Anyway, appreciate the discussion, ZN. Hope all is well.

     

    #144008
    zn
    Moderator

    No they had those massive dead money hits in 2023 because they elected to do that for the sake of the 2024 cap.

    Nothing in their situation automatically dictated that they get rid of guys under contract like Ramsey, Wagner, and Floyd. Certainly not all 3 of them at the same time.  46.1 million in dead money in 2023 is from Ramsey, Floyd and Wagner alone. It cost them more in 2023 to let all 3 guys go than it would have to have kept them.

    And re-structuring is not a challenge, they’ve done it before. They quite obviously elected not to do that this year.

    Any team that lets 3 veterans of that caliber go in one year is going to take a huge dead money hit. Very few teams, though, consciously decide to do things  that way UNLESS they are rebuilding, which is not exactly what the Rams are doing (the Rams goal being to reload through the draft in 23, then have the cap space for trades, high picks, and FAs in 24).

    The Rams are one of the best teams at managing the cap, though they do it by pushing the edge. They don’t play it “safe” but they also don’t set themselves up for cap hell years either. They know how to cut selectively and how to use re-structuring–they’ve done it all before.

    Taking that dead money in 2023 and setting up 2024 as the cap space year is a conscious decision that goes right along with using 2023 to “reload.”

    #144014
    wv
    Participant

    “They didn’t have to reload in 2023 but IMO deciding to do so was very smart. Though…it had better work…”

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    Not sure what you mean by ‘reload,’ zn.    Does reload mean ‘make a run’ next season, or take a down-season and ‘reload’ in 2024?

     

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    #144018
    zn
    Moderator

    “They didn’t have to reload in 2023 but IMO deciding to do so was very smart. Though…it had better work…” == Not sure what you mean by ‘reload,’ zn. Does reload mean ‘make a run’ next season, or take a down-season and ‘reload’ in 2024? w v

    Reload is a term for what they’re doing in 2023. I just use that term because it’s better than “rebuild” which doesn’t really describe their situation. If you’re rebuilding you don’t keep your 3 core players on offense and defense. But they did dump players to clear a lot of room in the 2024 cap, and then in 2023 they just added rookies (so far it’s rookies–they have yet to add much in the way of “ronin” or 1st contract players who have been cut but who the Rams think can be coached up–that’s what Shelton was for example).

    It looks like this. They clear a lot of room in the 2024 cap and to “pay for it” have to take a huge dead money hit in 2023. In 2023 they then go out of their way to add draft picks and UDFAs (Rams have never taken this many UDFAs to camp in one year). You play the young “reloaded” team and then in 2024 you have the cap space to add high draft picks, trades, and high market free agents.

    With that you don’t expect a contender in 2023 but it is far from the same thing as tanking or pure rebuilding (if you’re rebuilding there’s no point in keeping Stafford, Donald, and Kupp around). They could even do well in 2023. But then they are set in 2024 to more selectively add guys like they did before–the Ramseys, Von Millers, and Beckhams.

    #144022
    Zooey
    Participant

    The way I see it, the Rams won the Super Bowl with a unusual amount of elite players, a few good ones, and the rest were mostly young guys they got in late rounds, and then coached into coherency.

    On offense, they had Stafford, Kupp, Beckham, and Whitworth as elite guys, and Havs and Higbee are good.

    On defense they had Donald, Miller, Ramsey as elite, and Floyd is good. I don’t know what to call Eric Weddle.

    Anyway, they have Donald left on defense, and Stafford and Kupp left on offense. Meaning that they are down to 3/7 elite players for this year. They have a ton of cap space for 2024 to rent more elite players, and they must know who is coming available next year, either through FA or for a trade. I think picking up 3 or 4 elite players with that cap space is doable.

    Meanwhile, it’s interesting to me that the past two years, they have made their first picks Guards. I mean…Guards. Highly rated guards, two years in a row. I’m going to guess that that isn’t an accident. I don’t know what it means, but it means something. One or two of the film guys/posters commented that Avila doesn’t strike them as a “fit” for the Rams, but I don’t know what they mean by that. Maybe the Rams are planning to change what they are doing up front. Maybe the film guy is wrong. Maybe Snead is wrong.

    I don’t know what it all means, but I do know it looks like the Rams are building for an assault in 2024 and see 2023 as a year to season a of guys along with the 2nd-year guys who are left manning the secondary. Apart from the 3 remaining elite players, the Rams just got a lot younger. On purpose. And they are going to add some very good vets to that mix next year.

    #144025
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I agree with the majority of that, Zooey. Good points.

    But at the risk of being Danny Downer yet again, the Rams were unconventional in the age department too. As in, their elite players were already getting along in years when they won it all, with the exception of Ramsey, and to a lesser extent, Kupp. Three years later, in 2024, how will age factor in? And they also tend to draft relatively older players, which is why I think some public commentators, even Jourdan at times, tend to exaggerate the “youth” of this team. Kupp will be 31 in 2024, which is rather old for a receiver. Donald, who appears to be ageless, will be 33. Stafford, who has been beaten up far more often than most QBs — basically in the KW range — will hit 37 if the Rams make it to the Big Show.

    I have a big bias in favor of building through the Draft for a host of reasons, but the age thing and peak times for individual athleticism are near the top. You get the widest window for contention if you can hit on a big batch of picks all at once or within two/three years, and then supplement. It’s a tougher road to hoe/sustain if it’s dependent on relatively older vets, hopefully gelling, etc. etc.

    I think the amount/effect of cap space is also being exaggerated for 2024. Last I checked, it was roughly in the 50 million range, which may sound like a lot, but it really isn’t, given the size of contracts these days, the need to re-sign vets, the next rookie pool, etc. etc. It’s also the case that most of the rest of the league has cap space too, and unlike the Rams, they’ve had 1st round picks to team-build and keep costs down for the last umpteen years.

    (Philadelphia’s Draft, for instance, was crazy good, and their roster was already near the top. Seattle and Arizona have also improved their teams, with the latter adding extra picks in 2024 as well.)

    Long story short, I think we’re in for a rough ride in the next few years. Hope I’m 100% wrong about that. But my post-draft sense of things isn’t as elevated as it has been in the past.

    #144026
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Note on those 1st round picks keeping costs down. Conventional wisdom talks a lot about the importance of having your QB on a rookie (5-year) contract, but logic says that’s going to be true for other positions as well. Conventional wisdom also talks about wanting the offense to have its “triplets,” though the GSOT pretty much turned that into quadruplets, at least.

    So, ideally, you’d want to hit on your QB, a coupla receivers, and a running back all at once, and if you’re really lucky, land a great edge, corner, LT, and TE the next season. Get yourself three or four years of a stable cap, and build that window of contention. Even better, score later round picks to round things out in back to back years, and the number of vets needed to supplement it all falls dramatically. One can also, obviously, focus on D instead of O, but the basics remain.

    First round picks are extremely important when it comes to team-building, cap management, and peak performance years. They also offer far greater trade-down value than 2nd or 3rd rounders, if a team wants to go that route. It’s not even close.

     

    #144028
    zn
    Moderator

    I think the amount/effect of cap space is also being exaggerated for 2024. Last I checked, it was roughly in the 50 million range, which may sound like a lot, but it really isn’t,

    Just a quick point of information. Demoff has stated that the Rams have more than 60 M in cap space for 2024. (“Demoff wrote…that the Rams are currently projected to have more than $60 million in projected cap space in 2024.” From: https://www.therams.com/news/sights-on-2023-2024-and-beyond-how-rams-are-approaching-the-upcoming-season-and- ) That’s not the number over.the.cap is reporting as of right now, but  don’t know which is more accurate or why.

    I’m going to start a separate thread on the Rams 2023 and 2024 cap situations.

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    InvaderRam
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    i’m feeling pretty good about the running game… that’s about it.

    #144043
    zn
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    i’m feeling pretty good about the running game… that’s about it.

    We just don’t know about the things they aimed to improve–the front 7 and the OL.

    It’s harder to get a read on the front 7, because it involves so many rookies, but the OL ought to be fine and could in fact even be better in some respects than its best moments under McVay.

    But to me “not knowing” is not the same as “doubting.”

    #144049
    InvaderRam
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    But to me “not knowing” is not the same as “doubting.”

     

    yeah. that’s why i don’t necessarily feel bad about everything else… but i don’t feel good either.

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