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znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueIf a team needs defensive players, and happens to be in the late-middle of the draft, what a time.Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers13 straight offensive picks. Draft is insanely top heavy with offense. Part of the reason why we were saying IF the Rams trade up, it would be for either an offensive lineman or WR. Nonetheless, so much talent still on the board..Fishkiller@FV_Mylia_LynnHere comes the run on defensive players. The Rams should have at least one of Latu, Turner, Verse, Mitchell, Arnold or Murphy to choose from on that side of the ball.
znModeratorDianna Russini@DMRussini
The Rams are pursuing this trade into the top 10 with a specific player in mind and it’s not a quarterback, per sources.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
More on this, per sources…from what I’ve gathered so far this morning, Rams are checking prices on a number of different possible moves – up into the top 10, and down.To me, staying at 19 would be surprising.
How it works (for generally most teams outside of T12ish): Go into day one with a series of “if, then” scenarios that will have been played out as a staff in rehearsals. A pool of players who may be available at the original pick point. Scenarios if someone highly ranked
falls lower than predicted. Scenarios if a trade manifests. A pool of players who could be available if that trade manifests. Scenarios if a trade doesn’t manifest. So much work goes into just the hypotheticals of this day.
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Few thoughts on the Rams draft, with the disclaimer that none are in any way sourced or informed by anyone inside the building. Plus, my annual reminder that there are men & women who spend every waking moment on this process. I’ll never pretend to tell them their business. Ok…I think you start each offseason & draft with these questions:
(1) Do you have a QB who can win the Super Bowl?
(2) If not, do you have a roster that can, even if the QB isn’t the driving force?Ever since we saw what McVay was capable of in 2017, the answer has been “Yes.”
Since we’re in “first time the Rams will pick in the first round since Goff in 2016” mode, feels appropriate to call this out: LA nailed that move up for Jared, and clearly picked the right player. Don’t want to take that for granted, just bc he was 1.1 or plays for DET now.
For me, the last 6 years have been about the window that AD99 created. Cannot stress enough, flip them picks was only possible because of the 13th pick in 2014.
Now, it shifts to the window that’s been kept open by MS9 playing at an MVP level in the second half of last season.
With respect to that window, Matt Ryan officially retiring this week is going to be a reference point.
There are specific things Stafford can do before he’s done to cement his legacy. From the Rams documentary, that’s clearly not lost on him. And that gives me chills.
In terms of the need/best available tension: You want to be drafting premium positions in the 1st Rd. I can make the case that the Rams have “needs” at all of those positions, so in that sense, there’s a lot of flexibility. But last year’s class reinforces “fit” above all else.
znModerator“He easily has the most tools in his tool box as a pass rusher…reminds me of TJ Watt.”@GregCosell talking UCLA edge rusher Laiatu Latu: pic.twitter.com/05tcGji5ny
— Ross Tucker Podcast (@RossTuckerPod) April 24, 2024
znModeratorIs it at all conceivable that they draft an offensive player with the first pick? I dont think so. I dont care who drops on offense, I think they go DT or DE. I assume thats the consensus here. w v
Or LB/edge. Front 7 anyway.
But if there’s a good caliber LOT? Maybe. I am not for that, but this draft is crazy with OL picks. They could have a guy there at pick 19 who’s better than what you would usually expect to see at that point.
znModeratorRams’ Steve Avila makes a move: Shifting to center, film with Rob Havenstein and more
Jourdan Rodrigue
Second-year Los Angeles Rams offensive lineman Steve Avila found out he was moving to center at about the same time reporters did.
“I found out through Instagram,” he said, laughing. “When y’all saw it is when I saw it. (But) I knew it was a possibility, that it might happen. It’s funny, I remember Les (Snead) asked me if I could snap midseason. I was like, ‘Whoa, what are we doing?’ … It was really depending on how things were going to go in the draft and free agency.”
Avila started and played every snap for the Rams at left guard as a rookie in 2023, but did play center while at TCU. Ahead of free agency this spring, as the Rams negotiated an extension with right guard Kevin Dotson they also evaluated the broader guard market in case they couldn’t ultimately re-sign him. Left guard Jonah Jackson was at the top of their “just in case” list. When the Detroit Lions didn’t extend Jackson ahead of the legal tampering period and the Rams got Dotson’s three-year extension done early, they saw they could also make a push for Jackson, who ultimately signed a similar three-year deal.
“If we were to lose Kevin Dotson, who could we replace Kevin with?” Snead said last month, “Then that’s where — wait a minute, there could be an opportunity to get two guards, especially with Steve’s (Avila) versatility.”
Getting the two guards done quickly was possible because the Rams believed Avila could move to center, which in turn meant not re-signing former starter Coleman Shelton. Shelton, who has since signed with the Chicago Bears, opted to void the final year on his contract and test his market. And the Rams didn’t need a surplus at guard and could not wait on Shelton.
Now, Avila enters OTAs with the new role. The practices are limited in football activity until later in the spring, and won’t be padded until training camp. Avila, a left-handed snapper like Shelton before him, will lose about five pounds but much of his work will be mental.
“I sat down with Les and (Sean) McVay and everybody, and they told me they have a bunch of trust in what I can do,” Avila said.
The center is responsible for a huge amount of pre-snap diagnosis, setting protections and overall communication in the Rams’ offense. Avila began his rookie season with an idea to absorb both the offense and the defense in the same way he would as if he were the center at that time, using skills he learned at TCU. But for a rookie expected to plug and play immediately at guard, it was too much to learn two positions at once.
“I tried to learn everything as a center, because then you know who does what,” he said, “and it got to a point where I had to not do that, because I really had to focus on my technique and what I was supposed to do and understanding the playbook. Now that I know more things, I’m now approaching more things from a center mindset. … It’s refreshing, because I (now) know a lot of the things. I played every snap. It’s good to see things from a different perspective and I learned a lot from Coleman Shelton and Brian Allen last year.”
Allen was the backup center after starting for the Rams during their Super Bowl-winning season. He didn’t play any snaps in 2023, but he always wore a headset on the sideline. That was just one clue about how significant a mental load playing the position can be: Every snap is a group effort, including position coach Ryan Wendell (a former longtime center) and of course veteran quarterback Matthew Stafford.
“Sean mentioned this in our offensive line meeting today, it doesn’t just fall on Steve to make sure every call is right (and to) get every look correct,” right tackle and captain Rob Havenstein said last week. “We are all working as a unit, quarterback included. Obviously Matthew has been around the game long enough, he’s seen everything (and) knows everything. Super smart guy, wouldn’t want anyone else back there. But it’s not just Steve, it’s not just on him. Everyone else is learning and growing together. … We just need Steve to be Steve.”
The quarterback/center partnership especially is about supplementing each others’ pre-snap responsibilities. Receiver Cooper Kupp believes that Stafford’s experience will help Avila in his transition, and has seen the reverse in effect during his tenure, too.
“It’s interesting, I go way back to 2017 (when) John Sullivan was here,” Kupp said, “you had Jared (Goff), who was a younger quarterback, you had John Sullivan who had been in the offense, been in the league for a long time, been in Sean’s offense for a long time. When I got in, the center did everything. Jared was learning a lot from John, how John saw the game (and) how he wanted the protections.
“That was a collaboration between those two to figure out (what) that was gonna be. As Jared played longer, Jared took more ownership of that. Now, we’re in this place where we’re seeing the opposite of that. You’ve got Matthew, who can do all the stuff. He’s obviously going to be able to help with the run game, can help in the protections and do all of that. He’s going to run the show. It’s going to be on Steve now to step in and be like, ‘How can I learn what Matthew is seeing, how he wants to do things?’”
Havenstein set up meetings with Avila this spring to study defensive structures, and has helped him with new techniques for quickly breaking down a big picture in the seconds before a snap.
“If you look and see the whole picture just right away, you see everything, it kind of blinds you a little bit,” Havenstein said. “Start looking at little details that help you out, figure out what is going on. All of that is just a learning process.”
Avila said the Rams’ guards generally relied “heavily” on previous centers, because of their knowledge. He used to go into the huddle and listen, and absorb all of the information. Now, the charismatic young lineman will be the one speaking (along with Stafford).
“He seems so excited to take over that role,” Kupp said, “(to) be a part and being at the center of that offense. I’m really excited. I think it’s going to be a really good fit.”
McVay and Havenstein made sure Avila knew he didn’t have to be perfect right away.
“We don’t expect it today, I don’t expect it tomorrow, I don’t expect it by the end of OTAs,” Havenstein said. “It’ll be the same thing in training camp, just keep building and building and building — and I think Steve is going to do a great job.”
znModeratorEnjoying the Mike Tannenbaum and Dan Orlovsky discourse this morning. Mike is arguing the Rams should use a first round pick on a QB, aka “Stafford’s successor”.
Orlovsky is arguing that they’re Super Bowl contenders with Stafford under center and will draft a piece that can…
— Rams Brothers (@RamsBrothers) April 23, 2024
znModeratorTrue story 💫
— AD_99 (@AaronDonald97) April 22, 2024
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_LongThe more I think about 19 overall + 10 additional picks, the more I like how the Rams are situated this week.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueBig goal for Kobie Turner this year is to get as comfortable in 3 tech, 4 and even 5 as he got at nose last season. He says position flexibility and matchup based rotations will be a focus for him this year (have previously reported discussion of moving him to the 3)..Asked Kobie Turner about the balance between managing the pressure of being “next” after Aaron Donald’s retirement, and continuing to grow. Great perspective here..
znModeratorCareer grades for the 2014 NFL Draft class 📊 https://t.co/32QEo5PogA pic.twitter.com/DdCHwiK1Oc
— PFF (@PFF) April 21, 2024
znModeratormoved from (basically) the wrong thread
“Travis and Jason reveal what it was really like game planning for Aaron Donald”
znModeratorRoman Gabriel finds Jack Snow for the 20 yard TD.
The pair connect against Hall Of Fame defensive back Mel Blount.
Rams vs Steelers – 1971 pic.twitter.com/qtD8vNeTZf
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) October 20, 2023
znModeratorTom Mack@TomMackHoFGabe was a great teammate and legendary player and Ram. Rest in peace.Jack Youngblood@theblood85GAB WAS A GREAT QB …MERLIN & GAB SHOWED THIS ROOKIE HOW TO PLAY THE GAME…IN THE LOCKERROOM I WAS IN AWE. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A HALL OF FAMER IN MY BOOK!! REST IN PEACE GAB
znModerator19. Los Angeles Rams: Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU
This was the most difficult pick during this first round, and it was simply because there wasn’t anyone near the top of my board who played a position of need. It ultimately came down to Mims or Thomas, and Thomas can produce more during his rookie season. Quarterback Matthew Stafford only has so many years left, and giving him another high-caliber pass catcher alongside Cooper Kupp and Puka Nacua should make this passing attack almost impossible to defend.
znModeratorROMAN GABRIEL NFL ALL-TIME QUARTERBACKS (VOL. 1)
znModeratori will spare the board another wv-buzzkill-rant about the public-relations-media.
It’s why we come here.
I was disappointed in the film too.
Though it was funny when Stafford had to tell Kupp what gazpacho is.
Did you notice that virtually all the clips from the Detroit game included uncalled fouls? Mostly late hits.
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
So… what did we think of Matthew Stafford: Locked In?@speed_kills@speedk1lls
it felt rushed too condensed. the 3-6 start needed to be covered more so that you realize the scale of the second half flex. just didn’t have the energy I was expecting … glossed over Ravens game.SeattleRams@seattlerams_nfl
Thought it expanded on, or reminded us that Matthew is one tough son of a gun, and a dedicated family man.
znModerator.@UCLAFootball @laiatu_latu is the best defensive player in this #NFLDraft2024 and its not close. Can he be the next TJ? #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/O9o2Dn4fqf
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) April 19, 2024
znModeratorPete Prisco@PriscoCBSThe more I watch of Chop Robinson, the more I like. He might end up being the best pure pass rusher in this class. He has the best get off and bend among the top guys in my book. Just needs some coaching.
znModerator1 hour until the premiere of 'Locked In' w/ Matthew Stafford on @nflnetwork! https://t.co/9ApjpnZu3E
— NFL Media (@NFLMedia) April 18, 2024
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueCurrently watching my advance preview of “Matthew Stafford: Locked In,” and I have told you guys this a few times the last couple years but this dude is out of his f***ing gourd, and man do they capture it. Great watch so far and clearly a huge effort by the crew..Fun look. In some ways like flipping through a yearbook curated by the team. Stafford and his family will probably really get a kick out of re-watching this years from now..Stu Jackson@StuJRamsHaving seen “Matthew Stafford: Locked In”, all I’m gonna say is if you don’t put respect on 9’s name (if you didn’t already) after watching it tomorrow night, I’ve got nothing for you. It’s that good
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTDaniel Jeremiah says when you look around the league there are maybe 7 impacts defensive tackles, but EDGE is much deeper. Mentions Byron Murphy as a potential impact player along the DL. Says there is a drop off at DT, but some EDGE guys in the mid-rounds..Stu Jackson@StuJRamsNFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah said Rams have ammo to trade up from 19th overall, but also wouldn’t rule out trading back to accumulate more picks given how GM Les Snead likes to operate. If move up, ID’d DT Byron Murphy or 1 of 3 best available EDGEs if preference between trio
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znModeratorRams WR Puka Nacua on his first NFL offseason, training with Cooper Kupp and eating right
By Jourdan Rodrigue
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — In second-year Rams receiver Puka Nacua’s initial week of offseason training with veteran teammate Cooper Kupp, he threw up.
A lot. Anywhere he could see grass.
“His conditioning days were some of the tougher ones,” said a sheepishly grinning Nacua on Monday as the Rams opened their first phase of Organized Team Activities (OTAs).
“That first week I came back, I think threw up every day of the week. He wasn’t a fan of that, because it was on his lawn! ‘You’re throwing up in my bushes, Puka — thanks.’ But it was super fun.”
Nacua is still adjusting to life in the NFL — not just because he became a household name as a fifth-round surprise who set the new rookie receiving record in 2023 with 105 catches and 1,486 yards. His sudden burst into stardom has been accompanied by court-side seats at Los Angeles Lakers games, playing in the NBA Celebrity All-Star game, and shoutouts from top athletes and celebrities on social media.
It also means that Nacua, whose physical play-style led to a number of different injuries to his ribs, arms and shoulders, and knees (he didn’t miss any time) is now taking a more NFL-standard approach to the offseason. In doing so, Nacua says he is following Kupp’s lead.
Incoming rookies train for standard testing at all-star events such as the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting combine, not necessarily an actual NFL season. Now, Nacua will have a full offseason of football training designed with the intent of actually playing football.
“Coop was ready to get to it right before the Super Bowl,” Nacua said, “he was already starting his integration to get ready to work out. A lot of mobility stuff in (this) first part, and then just continuing to stay explosive. A lot of top-end speed that we are working on.”
Rest, diet and recovery are as important as his new conditioning. Nacua said he has leaned out a little – he now weighs 210 pounds, but he said he also has added some protective bulk around his shoulders and chest.
“I think Coop would definitely not advise me to eat McDonald’s as much as I did during the season, he wasn’t a fan of that,” said Nacua, laughing.
“The mentality from last year was ‘one day at a time.’ I just think that I could never really think about Sunday, until I was waking up on Sunday a 9 a.m. … I guess another step in the recovery phase, (when) I saw Coop, as much as we were working out hard in the offseason he was recovering just as hard. Taking nutrition into it, having people who do body work outside of the facility and finding ways to constantly recover. If I’m going to have a two-hour workout period, then the 22 other hours in the day how else can I recover? How else can I gain an advantage? Honestly, I’ve recovered just as hard as I’m working out. That was a mindset I didn’t have before.”
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Rob Havenstein on second-year OL Steve Avila switching to center. Huge extra effort behind the scenes. This is a long quote but worth a read and great insight (good advice in here even for general public who wants to know where to start when getting into film study too)
znModeratori do remember there being talk of restructuring his. but i haven’t heard of anyone else.
They did restructure NB. They moved 10 M of his 2024 hit into a void year in 2025 by making it a prorated bonus. Initially he counted 20 M against the 2024 cap, now it’s 11.6 M. That’s the figures at over.the.cap.com. I don’t get the math on them but that’s okay. Essentially they gained abou 8 M in 2024 cap space by putting money into 2025, when he is no longer under contract. So they take a 10 M dead money cap hit on him next year.
znModeratorWhite’s cap hit for this season will be just $3.485M. His base salary is just $1.5 million.
This leaves the Rams 11,546,513 (11.5 M) under cap, with the draft expected to be about 6.4 M.
They are currently 12.4 M under the 2025 cap.
znModeratorTre’Davious White Cap Hit
White signed just a one-year deal with the Rams worth $4.25 million. 3.25 million is guaranteed, including a $1.75 million signing bonus. White’s cap hit for this season will be just $3.485M. His base salary is just $1.5 million.
White can also earn more money depending on his playtime incentives. The contract value increases to $8.5 million if White plays in 60% of the Rams defensive snaps in 2024, and there are up to $1 million in per-game bonuses.
znModeratorif memory serves I think that Kam Curl article actually showed up later.
I saw it was being held by the anti-spam so I “approved” it. That’s why it appeared.
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