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  • March 3, 2024 at 4:32 pm #149616
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    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    Wrapping up NFL competition committee meetings on potential rules changes, per league officials including executive VP of football operations Troy Vincent …

    • Special teams coordinators will meet Saturday and try to craft modified kickoff rules that deliver an acceptable injury rate. Hope is to have a formal proposal to discuss by middle of next week. Multiple onside kick options, including uneven formations and the 4th-and-long alternative, are under discussion.

    • No changes expected to the rule on a fumble through the end zone being a touchback. Only happened four times in over 40,000 snaps last season and the feeling is it’s a product of poor technique.

    • QB push play is still a concern for the health and safety committee, but injury rate is low. There were 299 sneaks last season — most in modern NFL history — and success rates were actually slightly higher without a push.

    • A rule proposal will be written on outlawing the hip-drop tackle, defined by three components: grab, swivel and dropping weight on the back of the ankle. Only to be called when it’s clear and obvious that all three components are present, and officials are confident they can see it. There is support for outlawing it.

    • Intentional grounding fouls are way up (59 in 2023) and take a long time to administrate. There should be a rule change proposal aimed at reducing fouls and protecting QBs.

    Any votes could happen at next month’s annual meeting.

    March 3, 2024 at 4:53 pm #149617
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    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    As @TomPelissero said, the NFL is working on a proposal that INCLUDES teams having to declare onside kicks. But it’s part of a much larger concept that’ll have teams kicking off from the opponent’s 40-yard line, with an aim on increasing returns, taking space/speed out.

    The proposal …

    • Kickoff team lines up on the plus-40. Same alignment rules. Everyone but kicker has foot on the 40.

    • Return team lines up 9-10 players in setup zone b/w the 35 and 30. Six must have their foot on the 35.

    • 1-2 returners b/w the 20 and goal line.

    • No one but the kicker and return men can move until the ball is touched by the returner.

    • If the ball doesn’t cross the 20 in the air, it’s treated as out of bounds, goes to the 40.

    • If kicker kicks it into the end zone on the fly, touchback comes out to the 35.

    • If return team lets it roll into the end zone, the touchback goes to the 20.

    Idea was developed by Saints STC Darren Rizzi and Cowboys STC John Fassel. Those two and Bears STC Richard Hightower presented it to Roger Goodell and the competition committee last week.

    So this is why, again, as Tom said, the onside kick rules needed to be adjusted. The hope is it’ll eliminate the 25-yard headstart to collision that the current space and speed create, and flip the number of touchbacks-to-returns, which is 80/20 now.

    March 3, 2024 at 5:00 pm #149619
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    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    No surprises: The new kickoff rule crafted by NFL special teams coordinators would allow teams to attempt an onside kick only when trailing in the fourth quarter — and require them to declare it in advance, per sources.

    NFL special teams coordinators met Saturday at the combine. Other notes on their proposal …

    If the kickoff team declares they’re attempting an onside kick, they potentially could be allowed to utilize an unbalanced (6×4) formation, raising odds of recovery. Just 5.2% were recovered in 2023 and there just two surprise onside kicks, thanks largely to run-ups being banned.

    Setup zone: The kick and return teams would line up on the receiving team’s 40- and 35-yard lines, respectively, and not leave until the ball is touched or reaches the “target zone” (20-yard line to goal line).

    Touchbacks: If the ball is kicked into the end zone, the receiving team gets it at the 35. If the ball is kicked into the target zone and rolls into the end zone, the receiving team gets it at the 20.

    Language still being finalized and owners must approve.

    March 4, 2024 at 1:12 pm #149640
    Zooey
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    zn wrote:

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer As @TomPelissero said, the NFL is working on a proposal that INCLUDES teams having to declare onside kicks. But it’s part of a much larger concept that’ll have teams kicking off from the opponent’s 40-yard line, with an aim on increasing returns, taking space/speed out. The proposal … • Kickoff team lines up on the plus-40. Same alignment rules. Everyone but kicker has foot on the 40. • Return team lines up 9-10 players in setup zone b/w the 35 and 30. Six must have their foot on the 35. • 1-2 returners b/w the 20 and goal line. • No one but the kicker and return men can move until the ball is touched by the returner. • If the ball doesn’t cross the 20 in the air, it’s treated as out of bounds, goes to the 40. • If kicker kicks it into the end zone on the fly, touchback comes out to the 35. • If return team lets it roll into the end zone, the touchback goes to the 20. Idea was developed by Saints STC Darren Rizzi and Cowboys STC John Fassel. Those two and Bears STC Richard Hightower presented it to Roger Goodell and the competition committee last week. So this is why, again, as Tom said, the onside kick rules needed to be adjusted. The hope is it’ll eliminate the 25-yard headstart to collision that the current space and speed create, and flip the number of touchbacks-to-returns, which is 80/20 now.

    March 25, 2024 at 5:01 pm #150089
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    March 25, 2024 at 5:04 pm #150090
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    cleophas@cleophasnyasimi
    The defensive player lifting himself off the ground and using his weight to fall on the offensive player is what they’re working to eliminate.
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    Mike Garafolo@MikeGarafolo
    NFL’s Jeff Miller says they saw 230 instances of the swivel hip-drop tackle last season. So roughly once per game. Of those tackles, 15 players missed time due to injury because of the tackle.
    March 25, 2024 at 7:14 pm #150094
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    zn wrote:

    Mike Garafolo@MikeGarafolo

    NFL’s Jeff Miller says they saw 230 instances of the swivel hip-drop tackle last season. So roughly once per game. Of those tackles, 15 players missed time due to injury because of the tackle.

     

    March 25, 2024 at 7:54 pm #150095
    InvaderRam
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    i don’t know. at first glance i don’t like this rule. i don’t want players to get hurt, but what are defenses supposed to do now?

    March 26, 2024 at 7:48 am #150097
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    i don’t know. at first glance i don’t like this rule. i don’t want players to get hurt, but what are defenses supposed to do now?

    It seems to me that the hip-swivel tackle is something that you deliberately do and don’t have to do, and subtracting it doesn’t change the game at all.

     

     

    March 26, 2024 at 10:48 am #150100
    nittany ram
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    Rule has been tweaked.  Kicks into the end zone will now be placed at the 30 yard line instead of the 35.

     

     

    March 26, 2024 at 2:16 pm #150101
    wv
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    The kickoff rule confuses me.    I’ll have to wait and see what it looks like, i guess.

    I suppose the new rule may favor the smartest craftiest special teams coaches for the first year or so, until everyone gets up to speed.

     

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    March 26, 2024 at 3:05 pm #150102
    wv
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    I guess it will look somethin like this?

    March 26, 2024 at 5:57 pm #150106
    zn
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    Màxkhuwe@Mackeyser
    No, not a hip drop. That’s a classic wrap up tackle. A hip drop would involve his hip falling on the receiver’s legs/ankles. He was trailing too far to even try a hip drop
    March 26, 2024 at 6:37 pm #150111
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    Howard Balzer@HBalzer721
    Important rule change not talked about a lot is that a practice-squad QB can now be elevated for games as the emergency QB along with the two standard elevations. There is no limit on the number of times the QB can be elevated.
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