A thought for the future, regarding draft picks. If they were that right about McDonald, maybe they’re right about Alexander too.

Here’s a highlight vid of the catch:

http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/Pettis-Makes-Spectacular-27-yard-Catch/38864947-dae7-4a8f-b059-04b2d2725afd

Grits and TD called it.

Davis came through.

Good game by him.

Cal wrote:

Sorry, complete joke on my part!

Well it’s a very good one.

But you picked the wrong guy. (Or…the right guy, I guess.)

I am fairly anatomy ignorant.

I was ready to fall for it. I thought, okay, he made a bad throw cause of the quad, maybe if you check for throwing strength……

So…good one.

Now I am not THAT bad, mind you. When I got gout, I knew it was in my foot, and that it had to do with not eating enough red meat and seafood. But that’s all I knew.

Dak wrote:

It’s obvious that I cannot post a photo. Nevermind.

Try again. Just drop the pic url in a post and I will edit it, if you want.

But goes like this.

click img above.

clear out the “http” code from the box provided.

deposit your pic url

hit okay

you will be asked for a response (type in one letter, it’s arbitrary) and asked to click a box (yeah do it)

then hit okay

THOMAS: Quinn averages just under $11 million a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days. But he gets roughly two-thirds of that money — $41.2 million — as guaranteed dollars.

That pretty much sums up our discussion.

Lighter than some in avg. dollars per year…high in guaranteed money.

I am looking forward to seeing how it works out structurally, year by year.

Agamemnon wrote:

Promise me we don’t have to do that.

Agamemnon wrote:

zn wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:
>Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imo

Yeah I discussed those things about that contract in a different thread. I even pointed out that if you subtract the 17.5 in the final phoney year, it still avgs. 13.7 M or so.

I did say that probably what Quinn wanted was the guaranteed money upfront.

But even given that, an 11 M annual avg. is surprising. That’s an interesting trade-off. More guaranteed upfront for a lower annual avg.

As invader already pointed out in a different thread, that makes Quinn a very interesting player. He didn’t care about the showboat “total contract” comparison with other players, and opted instead for the upfront money.

>It is the more the real money vs fluff. Annual salary is in someways meaningless.

Ag we;re not really disagreeing.

Part of my point was that it’s fluff v. real money.

What surprises is me is that a player knows that and acts accordingly.

Watt for example didn’t act like he knew that.

In fact Watt is the norm.

This is the discussion from before, which parallels this one:

http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-and-quinn-close-to-contract-extension/

zn wrote:

one advantage the Rams have, besides guys wanting to play for Fisher (and in RQ’s case, Waufle too), is that they frontload–guys REALLY ARE getting that money, upfront.

InvaderRam wrote:

i’m sure robert realizes this. instead of going for the headline “record contract”.

zn wrote:

I think you’re right that RQ wants the real money upfront, and I would be surprised if it had a trick money backloaded final year the way Watts deal does.

Agamemnon wrote:

zn wrote:

Quinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.

11 M is actually less than Long.

But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.

This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.

I always assumed it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.

I wonder if people realize that even with this deal the Rams now have probably around 68 or so M in 2016 cap space free right now.

I think they probably used up a bit more of the cap in 2016. 2014 and 2015 are close. The 68 million of space in 2016 is probably less than that, cause they have to take some money out somewhere. imo

Well what I did was subtact 11 M more from the current 2016 cap.

I doubt they backloaded it so I was just using the avg. annual amount to get a rough guess-timate.

The deal is worth $65.5 million w/$41.2 million guaranteed. That’s over a 6-year period because 2014 year and 2015 year were torn up

I don;t think that’s the final say on that contract. 65 M for 6 years is way too low–that’s less than what Long has in terms of the annual average. So we need to see the breakdown.

InvaderRam wrote:

the psychology and motivations behind staying in an abusive relationship are far more complex than what the general public thinks.

The idea being, many people think “mostly they stay because they’re financially dependent and have few options.”

But then I suppose WV is thinking of many of his poor clients and whether they could sit through that vid. Those people would already know that the stereotypes about why poor women would stay in abusive relationships aren’t true. So the question becomes, from his perspective, who is being talked to?