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Rams DE Robert Quinn signs 4-year contact extension.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) September 13, 2014
Contract takes Quinn through '19 season.
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) September 13, 2014
The deal is worth $65.5 million w/$41.2 million guaranteed. That's over a 6-year period because 2014 year and 2015 year were torn up in …
— Jim Thomas (@jthom1) September 13, 2014
AgamemnonIt is a fair deal for Quinn and the Rams. imo
It appears that instead of paying him 10m for 2 years, we are now paying him 65.5m for 6 years.
AgamemnonHow good is Quinn?
Jim Thomas @jthom1 Sep 8
Even with Vikings throwing only 25 times, Robert Quinn and 2 QB pressures and 4 QB hits.They can’t run on him either.
Agamemnonhttp://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-sign-quinn-to-four-year-extension/article_af5091cc-f79d-527b-9a53-894607d62371.html?print=true&cid=print
stltoday.com
Rams sign Quinn to four-year extension
16 minutes ago • By Jim Thomas jthomas@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8197TAMPA, Fla. • The Rams lost defensive end Chris Long for two months due to ankle surgery last week. On Saturday, they gained defensive end Robert Quinn for four years with a contract extension.
Quinn, a Pro Bowler and the Pro Football Writers Association NFL defensive player of the year in 2013, signed a four-year contract extension before the team boarded a plane for Tampa early Saturday afternoon.
The overall value of the deal is $65.5 million, with $41.2 million in guaranteed money. That money is over a six-year period, because the 2014 and 2015 years of Quinn’s current deal were ripped up in the extension.
(Quinn was due $1.67 this year under the last year of his original contract as a first-round pick in 2014, and $6.9 million in 2015 after the Rams exercised an option for a fifth year.
So Quinn, who led the NFC with 19 sacks a year ago, is now under contract through the 2019 season. It’s the second-richest deal in Rams franchise history behind the $78 million deal, with $50 million guaranteed, signed by quarterback Sam Bradford after being the No. 1 overall draft in 2010.
Even so, considering what Quinn has done already and the fact that he’s still only 24 years old, it seems a fair deal for both parties. Quinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
But he gets roughly two-thirds of that money — $41.2 million — guaranteed.
“It’s great to get it done,” said Kevin Demoff, Rams executive vice president of football operations said.
The Rams (0-1) play Tampa Bay (0-1) in a 3:05 p.m. kickoff Sunday at Raymond James Stadium.
AgamemnonThe deal is worth $65.5 million w/$41.2 million guaranteed. That’s over a 6-year period because 2014 year and 2015 year were torn up
I don;t think that’s the final say on that contract. 65 M for 6 years is way too low–that’s less than what Long has in terms of the annual average. So we need to see the breakdown.
Above is the break down. Contracts are evolving to more real money and less fluff.
AgamemnonQuinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I thought it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
They had Quinn for at least 3 years anyway. The 2 left on the contract and a franchise year. Quinn is happy to get some nice money and guarantees up front. The exact structure will probably be ~2m/yr bonus and first 3 years guaranteed. The last 3 years are probably 10m/years. Just guessing here. 😉
AgamemnonQuinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I always assumed it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
I wonder if people realize that even with this deal the Rams now have probably around 68 or so M in 2016 cap space free right now.
I think they probably used up a bit more of the cap in 2016. 2014 and 2015 are close. The 68 million of space in 2016 is probably less than that, cause they have to take some money out somewhere. imo
Agamemnon
Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imo Agamemnon<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Agamemnon wrote:</div>
zn wrote:
Quinn averages just under $11 million under a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days.
11 M is actually less than Long.
But I guess what Quinn really wants is the guaranteed money–that that balances out the avg.
This deal just plain makes the future cap an open field of dreams.
I always assumed it would be far more than that, in terms of a cap hit.
I wonder if people realize that even with this deal the Rams now have probably around 68 or so M in 2016 cap space free right now.
I think they probably used up a bit more of the cap in 2016. 2014 and 2015 are close. The 68 million of space in 2016 is probably less than that, cause they have to take some money out somewhere. imo
Well what I did was subtact 11 M more from the current 2016 cap.
I doubt they backloaded it so I was just using the avg. annual amount to get a rough guess-timate.
I saw that but don’t think we can figure a flat 11m/yr deal. We will know for sure in a couple days. But in the mean time we can probably compare it to Long’s contract.
Agamemnon
It appears they were able to put more money in Long’s early years than I think they can with Quinn. I will just have to wait until JT gives us the full details or the Cap places post the contract. AgamemnonAgamemnon wrote:
>Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imoYeah I discussed those things about that contract in a different thread. I even pointed out that if you subtract the 17.5 in the final phoney year, it still avgs. 13.7 M or so.
I did say that probably what Quinn wanted was the guaranteed money upfront.
But even given that, an 11 M annual avg. is surprising. That’s an interesting trade-off. More guaranteed upfront for a lower annual avg.
As invader already pointed out in a different thread, that makes Quinn a very interesting player. He didn’t care about the showboat “total contract” comparison with other players, and opted instead for the upfront money.
It is the more the real money vs fluff. Annual salary is in someways meaningless.
AgamemnonThat’s a bargain. I am very pleased.
But, is your avatar pleased. 😉 AgamemnonAgamemnon wrote:
zn wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
>Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imoYeah I discussed those things about that contract in a different thread. I even pointed out that if you subtract the 17.5 in the final phoney year, it still avgs. 13.7 M or so.
I did say that probably what Quinn wanted was the guaranteed money upfront.
But even given that, an 11 M annual avg. is surprising. That’s an interesting trade-off. More guaranteed upfront for a lower annual avg.
As invader already pointed out in a different thread, that makes Quinn a very interesting player. He didn’t care about the showboat “total contract” comparison with other players, and opted instead for the upfront money.
>It is the more the real money vs fluff. Annual salary is in someways meaningless.
Ag we;re not really disagreeing.
Part of my point was that it’s fluff v. real money.
What surprises is me is that a player knows that and acts accordingly.
Watt for example didn’t act like he knew that.
In fact Watt is the norm.
This is the discussion from before, which parallels this one:
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-and-quinn-close-to-contract-extension/
zn wrote:
one advantage the Rams have, besides guys wanting to play for Fisher (and in RQ’s case, Waufle too), is that they frontload–guys REALLY ARE getting that money, upfront.InvaderRam wrote:
i’m sure robert realizes this. instead of going for the headline “record contract”.zn wrote:
I think you’re right that RQ wants the real money upfront, and I would be surprised if it had a trick money backloaded final year the way Watts deal does.We are nailing down details.
Agamemnonhttp://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Quinn-Rams-Agree-to-Four-year-Extension/a0d58afd-c1b4-4f54-9f81-d9dc2c755fee
Quinn, Rams Agree to Four-year ExtensionPosted 4 hours ago
Myles Simmons Rams Insider
The Rams have completed a four-year contract extension for defensive end Robert Quinn. The deal means the elite pass rusher is now under contract with the Rams for six years, through the 2019 season.
“My family and I are excited about this opportunity,” Quinn said. “I would like to thank Mr. Kroenke, the organization, my teammates, coaches, and the St. Louis Rams fans for their support. St. Louis has become home for my family and I, and we look forward to being here for the long term.”
“This is an exciting day for the Rams,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “I’m extremely happy for our organization as well as Robert and his family. I would like to thank Stan Kroenke for his support in making this happen. Robert’s commitment to hard work has made him one of the best defensive ends in the game, as both a pass rusher and a run defender. We’re thrilled that Robert will be a part of our defense for the long term.”
The 14th overall pick in 2011, Quinn has quickly made himself into a sack machine. Since the start of the 2012 regular season, Quinn’s 29.5 sacks is second to only JJ Watt (32 sacks) amongst NFL defenders.
“This is a very happy day for the St. Louis Rams and Robert Quinn,” general manager Les Snead said. “Since his arrival, Robert has progressed into one of the top disruptive forces at the defensive end position.”
And it was last season that truly entrenched Quinn among the game’s best. The 24-year-old tallied a franchise record 19 sacks, breaking the mark of 17 set by Kevin Carter in the 1999 championship season. Additionally, he forced seven fumbles and recovered two — returning one for the first touchdown of his career.
And he’s been planning for an even better 2014.
“I always set my bar high,” Quinn said during training camp. “No matter what I had the previous season, I always it extremely high. And I always strive for something outrageous, and if you fall a little bit short it’s usually a pretty good season.”
He’ll be in action tomorrow in Tampa when the Rams take on the Buccaneers.
“Robert, along with his fellow defensive teammates, are a key element to our team and organization,” Snead said. “We know Robert and his teammates will provide great contributions tomorrow against Tampa Bay, the remainder of this season and into the future for the St. Louis Rams.”
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Through the Years: Robert Quinn
http://www.stlouisrams.com/photos/photo-gallery/Through-the-Years-Robert-Quinn/496d8308-4b58-4289-933b-11e0268dc19e Agamemnonhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/print?id=11632
Saturday, September 13, 2014
Robert Quinn’s deal good for both sides
By Nick WagonerTAMPA, Fla. — Throughout the offseason and into training camp, the St. Louis Rams seemed to be in no hurry to sign defensive end Robert Quinn to a contract extension.
There were no hard deadlines to meet and Quinn was going to remain under team control for at least the next two seasons no matter what.
A lack of urgency might have been the exact reason the two sides were able to come to terms on a new six-year contract Saturday afternoon, a deal that will keep Quinn in St. Louis through the 2019 season.
Robert Quinn
The Rams and Robert Quinn, who had 19 sacks last season, agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Without having to worry about holdouts or franchise tags, the Rams and Quinn’s representatives were able work toward a resolution that would allow the team to keep its best player in St. Louis.Upon reaching an agreement Saturday, the deal looks to be a good one for both sides. ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported it’s worth a total of $66.575 million with $41.2 million guaranteed.
It’s important to note that the deal makes Quinn a Ram through the 2019 season, which means it includes the next two seasons as well. The distinction means the Rams could have a relative bargain on their hands should Quinn continue to ascend as one of the best pass-rushers in the league.
Assuming the numbers are correct, an annual average of about $11 million would be an absolute bargain for Quinn, considering he ranks second only to Houston’s J.J. Watt in sacks with 29.5 since 2012.
After Watt agreed to a six-year, $100 million deal with
$51.8 million guaranteedTotal Value: $100,000,000 (avg. $16,666,667/year; $20,876,385 fully guaranteed)According to ‘over the cap’ 51.8 million is a nail that needs hammering. 😉 Unless, of course Quinn’s 41m is fully guaranteed.
making him the highest paid defensive player in the league on Sept. 2, it was only logical Quinn would be next in line.
What wasn’t clear was how fast the Rams would put a deal together. On one hand, Watt’s deal offered a baseline for Quinn’s, but on the other, Quinn doesn’t have Watt’s lengthy track record of success.
Getting a deal done now allows the Rams to sign Quinn for a number below what Watt received from the Texans, but offers a relative bargain should he continue to perform as he did in 2013 when he posted 19 sacks and seven forced fumbles on his way to first team All-Pro honors.
Had the Rams waited until after the season, they might have faced a price tag closer to Watt’s if Quinn duplicates his 2013 success. In signing Quinn now, the Rams struck a good balance between paying him what he is currently worth, what he could be worth in the future and protecting themselves on the off chance he doesn’t continue at his current trajectory.
For his part, Quinn landed a nice deal with a strong guarantee. That $41.2 million is really the only number that matters here, and it represents a smart play on his part, taking what he can get rather than worrying about it later should he suffer an injury or have a down season.
Put simply, Quinn is the Rams’ only blue-chip talent and they were wise to get a deal done.
Only time will tell whether this is the rare deal that works well for both sides, and we still need to see the exact breakdown of the financials, but at first blush, it certainly looks like a win-win.
Agamemnon
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