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  • September 19, 2014 at 1:02 am in reply to: will the Rams defense be "fixed" enough for the Dallas game? #7855
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    That team was SO devoid of talent that within just TWO years (and we thought the Linehan teams were bereft of talent…which they were…) that of the 53 on the active roster in 2011, not including the injury subs, more than 40 weren’t just off the Rams roster by 2013…they were out of the entire NFL.

    I’ve actually explored those numbers. They get repeated a lot so taken on faith. If you look at them, they’re not accurate. Or they’re misleading.

    Bear in mind that the 2011 Rams was mostly the product of massive injuries. LIke, 10 CBs and (according to Football Outsiders), the single most injured offense since 2002.

    Under those conditions they were forced to sign a lot of guys out on the street who were already out of football. For example, they didn’t even carry 10 CBs…losing 10 to injury meant having to replace more than they ever had on the roster.

    As a rule, in-season injury replacements don’t get kept after the season. That’s true even if it;s the same coaching staff.

    The number I heard no longer in football who were on the 2011 roster is 30 something (you hear a slightly different number every time). Of those–and I broke it all down once–several were driven out of the game by injuries (Clayton, Harris, a couple of others), 2 had offers but left the game (Brown, Bell) and 16 are out of the game or were by 2013 (16 or so, this is memory–meaning, remembering who was on the roster originally and who were in-season injury replacements.)

    So how many players were there who were on the original week 1 53 and were still in football at least through 2013, with the Rams or anyone else?

    This is hard to do. The 2011 roster lists 71 guys. Many of those were in-season injury replacements, and I don’t count those. Rarely if ever do in-season injury replacements stick around. They’re already out of football when you sign them, or they would not be available.

    By my quick count–it’s about 29. That’s 29 of the original week 1 53.

    How many left the game because of injuries or (like Bell and Brown) had offers but did not return to fooball? 6.

    So of the original 53, I count 35 who were either (1) still in football as of 2013, or (2) (a) out of the game cause of career-ending injuries, or (2)(b) left the game in spite of offers.

    That leaves about 18 who were on the original 53 (I think) but were no longer in football as of 2013.

    So by my quick count, if you leave out in-season injury replacements, of the original 53 from the week 1 roster, 29 are still in football, 6 (like Clayton or Harris) are out cause of career-ending injuries…or left the game in spite of having offers. 18 of the original 53 were just out of football as of 2013 (and earlier–2011 in fact).

    So in fact if you just look at the original week 1 53-man roster, the number who were just cut and out of football–without career ending injuries–is 18.

    More are still IN football (29).

    September 19, 2014 at 12:21 am in reply to: Assessing the trade market for RG III #7844
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    Yeah I don’t want him.

    The fact that they could spend that much on him and then consider unloading him? Speaks volumes.

    And THIS is just nonsense:

    look for teams like Tampa Bay, St. Louis and Houston to emerge as the likeliest suitors in trade talks for RG III.

    No way on earth St. Louis trades for him.

    That;s just a sports writer sitting at a desk meeting a deadline without actually knowing anything.

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    September 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm in reply to: audio – Bruce on 101 (discusses Quick), Ogletree on 101, Vermeil on 920 #7837
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    Dick Vermeil
    Thursday, September 18, 2014

    September 18, 2014 at 10:27 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7835
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    I don’t recall posting this as an informal poll. I would appreciate the Admins not editing my posting titles.

    Grits

    We do it to posts all the time, including our own, to keep the board flowing. All that is, is, combining scattered posts on the same topic into more active group threads, and sometimes the thread title has to be changed to signal that. (I also sometimes move posters’s posts that are buried/hidden in long news and video threads, and start new threads with them.) The idea is just to facilitate conversation. Near as I know, folks are okay with that practice, but you spoke up, so I will respect that. If you would prefer never having a post title changed to accommodate combining posts into more active threads, what that will mean in effect is that we will never use a post of yours as the first one in a thread. If that’s what you would prefer, that’s fine.

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    September 18, 2014 at 9:40 pm in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7819
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    wv wrote:

    Anybody think Austin Davis will have
    as good a game against Dallas
    as he had against Tampa?

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    I think at this point, every game contains surprises. Of all kinds. Who for example knew that McDonald was a multi-tasking, game-changing monster.

    September 18, 2014 at 9:22 am in reply to: 101 – 9/17… John Clayton, Wagoner on Bailey #7777
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    Will Stedman Bailey get some snaps on Sunday? Nick Wagoner tells us

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    How much action will Rams WR Stedman Bailey see on Sunday? Nick Wagoner talks to Randy Karraker on 101ESPN. All are disgusted that TJ McDonald didn’t get NFC Special Teams Player of the Week. Nick gives an injury update. Bailey will definitely be on special teams and with Tavon Austin out, get some snaps on offense. Wagoner thinks the Rams won’t push it with Hill with the bye week coming up.

    September 18, 2014 at 8:26 am in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7765
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    http://rams.247sports.com/Bolt/Davis-could-get-another-start-at-QB-for-Rams-31259384

    Sure looks like it is Davis again this week to me.

    Grits

    But we knew that Grits. Before today. c

    FISHER ON WEDS:

    On how the quarterback reps were distributed)
    “ Austin (Davis) took 95 percent of the reps and Shaun (Hill) did a little bit of stuff. We’re just going to be day-to-day on that. Just like I’ve said.”

    (On what he needs to see out of Hill to see if he will be ready to play on Sunday)
    “More than what we’re seeing right now. Again, this is about not setting him back so we don’t want to put him in position out here on the field to where we’re risking setting him back. He’s day-to-day and we’ll see where it goes.”

    So right now, same as yesterday, Hill is the starter but out while healing, Davis is the back-up taking his place. That makes sense for the Dallas game.

    If Davis is the starter after the bye, that means Fisher hedged his bets and went with Davis. Otherwise, it’s Hill. Who starts in Dallas doesn’t tell us anything either way…and frankly I don’t think anyone expected Hill to be ready yet, from an injury standpoint. It is now, and always has been, the Eagles game after the bye that tells us if Fisher is sticking with Hill as the starter or changing his mind. So either way he’s not changing his mind (if he does) until after the Dallas game. Personally I doubt he will change his mind after Dallas, regardless how that game goes. But that’s just an opinion.

    September 18, 2014 at 1:02 am in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7743
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    He played okay, but Long was missed. Hayes is best when he’s used in that Justin Tuck, inside/outside 5th DL role. That’s his BEST role. He did okay. There were times that he didn’t hold contain and the run D suffered in Long’s absence.

    I was afraid of that.

    September 18, 2014 at 1:00 am in reply to: Our defense is a fraud. #7742
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    rfl wrote:

    I guess I am old Ram fan who learned to understand the game watching Deacon and Merlin and Isaiah and Jack, and I refuse to accept a Ram defense this soft.

    Do you personally think it can improve? (I do, myself.)

    Wagoner was on 101 and talked about talking to JL. JL watched film on the game on the plan coming back from Tampa. Interestingly, he thought they gave up a lot on 2nd and long, when guys would get too undisciplined.

    September 18, 2014 at 12:45 am in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7733
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    from de l’Internet

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    Yuma Ram

    Bailey and Hines Ward both drafted in the 3rd round …Ward had 14 catches as a rookie Bailey had 17. Style of play is about the same.

    Ward was a great football player that happened to be a wr. Bailey is also a football player first. He does not have the wr diva gene that others have or had.

    September 17, 2014 at 11:51 pm in reply to: qbs? so…how many do they have? #7730
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    Let’s not forget that Hill makes throws that Davis doesn’t. That was apparent live. Davis can hit certain routes, but they didn’t even ASK him to throw certain balls that they feel comfortable asking Hill to throw.

    Can you expand on that?

    I have been in other discussions, where I say there are throws they don’t ask Davis to make (like deep sideline passes or deep digs or deep outs).

    That’s what I thought I saw anyway.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:18 pm in reply to: Quinn signs #7712
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    zn wrote:

    Speaking of the cap.

    Finnegan made the Dolphins final roster.

    So…Rams get their 3 M, right?

    I don’t think the Cap Sites have credited that yet.
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    I think Thomas said somewhere that the Rams get that credit next year.

    Yeah I wasn’t clear.

    I meant, I don’t see it credited for next year yet, on the sites.

    I was suggesting that the sites haven’t kept up with it.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:16 pm in reply to: qbs? so…how many do they have? #7711
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    Hill is an overrated piece of crap. Sorry, just gotta call’em as I see them.

    Grits

    Me too. I call em as I see em too.

    And, I don’t agree. x

    Which is fine. This ain’t no 4 o’clock old ladies tea party. Sometimes folks disagree.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:03 pm in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7705
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    The title on this posting is very misleading. Fisher did not come out and name Hill the starter this week as of yet.

    Grits

    No what he did come out and say is that he is not going to rush him back.

    Hill is the starter as soon as he is ready. He HAS said that. He also said he’s not going to revisit it, and the decision is final. But it just depends on what he comes back…and that’s probably after the bye. Not this week. But then that was expected.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7702
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    If the Rams go 2-1…that’s an in-season winning record. When was the last time the Rams had an in-season winning record?

    They were 3-2 after the Washington game on Oct 4, 2012.

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    September 17, 2014 at 8:21 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7697
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    Well, the Bucs blatantly held Quinn all game long. I mean, some of the holds involved literally hugging him once Quinn was passed… no call.

    So, hopefully the Rams get more consideration at home than they did at Tampa… ‘cuz that was just wrong. Play the game and call it straight up. If it means 20 sacks and going through 4 QBs because OLs can’t block, then do that. Change the rules or whatever. But don’t NOT call fouls or only call them sporadically… That creates a game without legitimacy or integrity.

    You wuzz at the game. Did you notice much about Hayes? I am wondering about him, because he got NO reps over the summer.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:14 pm in reply to: Building An NFL Team From Scratch: Which 10 Would You Pick? #7693
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    I TOTALLY missed on Gerald McCoy. I thought he had BUST written all over him.

    I did too. In college, I thought he just shot blind into the backfield. No instincts for what the play was or where the ball was. (Unlike Donald, who has both things.)

    Guess you can be coached out of that.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm in reply to: Quinn signs #7692
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    Speaking of the cap.

    Finnegan made the Dolphins final roster.

    So…Rams get their 3 M, right?

    I don’t think the Cap Sites have credited that yet.

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    September 17, 2014 at 6:37 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7683
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    If the Rams can contain DeMarco Murray, then things look really good for them.

    I think they really didn’t want anything deep by the Bucs and they succeeded. Other than one 20yd pass to Vincent Jackson, there was nothing and there wasn’t even an attempt at a 30+ yard pass. So, if the Rams wanted to keep the Bucs on the ground and essentially take Jackson and Evans out of the game… they did.

    Now, I’m sure the Rams will probably focus on Murray more than they focus on Dez Bryant because Murray can not only take over a game, but also the clock. When the Rams focused on AP, they held him to 85 yards on 17 carries and he gashed the Rams ugly, too. So, we’ll see.

    I like the Rams in this game.

    Plus, I won’t be wearing my Warner jersey which I’m clear now is ONLY for wearing to the stadium… so no jinxing the team…

    Murray’s good…but it’s that OL that makes them SO good.

    Last game was a bad one in part because their OL handled the Rams DL. Partly by cheating, but still (reportedly they would grab the triceps of Rams DL players and hang on).

    September 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7673
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    samitsroy

    For what it’s worth – I met E.J. Gaines at a restaurant recently and he told me Stedman Bailey was the best receiver on the roster.

    September 17, 2014 at 1:25 pm in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7657
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    just some background/context for that

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    Five players to be reinstated

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11535705/five-nfl-players-reinstated-new-drug-policy

    The NFL and the players’ union are close to finalizing the drug policy changes they tentatively agreed upon last week.

    Union spokesman George Atallah told The Associated Press on Monday that the “drug policies are currently getting finalized.” League and NFL Players Association attorneys and officials are reviewing the documents and could approve them this week, but ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter report approval is likely to occur in the next 24 hours.

    Upon agreement of the term sheet for the new drug policy, Broncos receiver Wes Welker, Rams receiver Stedman Bailey, Cowboys defensive back Orlando Scandrick, Giants lineman Eric Herman and former Vikings defensive end Spencer Nealy will be reinstated, sources tell Mortensen and Schefter.

    Josh Gordon and former Colt LaVon Brazill will have their season-long suspensions reduced to 10 games. Gordon continues to be allowed to work out at the Browns’ training facility.

    Those seven names are part of the estimated 20 who will be affected by the new policy once it is approved by the NFL. Those other players’ names will remain confidential under the policy. The players are not being reinstated but moved into different stages of the program based on retroactive adjustments.

    Hours after the union voted Friday to accept the NFL proposal on changes that included HGH testing, the league said it was not a done deal. Further discussions have taken place since then.

    Player representatives to the union also voted for changes to marijuana testing, classification for amphetamines, punishment for driving under the influence, and neutral arbitration on appeals.

    Testing for human growth hormone was originally agreed upon in 2011, but the players have balked at the science in the testing and the appeals process for positive tests. If the proposal they voted on Friday is put into action, testing would begin for this season.

    The player reps also approved an increase for the threshold for positive marijuana tests. Some players have complained that the NFL threshold of 15 nanograms per milliliter is so low that anyone within the vicinity of people smoking marijuana could test positive. The threshold was increased to 35 ng/ml in the league’s proposal.

    A two-game suspension would be issued for a player convicted of driving under the influence. But an NFL proposal to immediately suspend a player, owner, coach, team executive or league employee for a DUI arrest was rejected by the union.

    The players approved arbitration for appeals under the substance abuse and the PED policies. The NFL and NFL Players Association would hire between three and five arbitrators.

    The league and the union also would retain independent investigators to review cases in which player confidentiality under the drug policy had been breached. Punishment for leaks could range up to $500,000 and/or termination of a job.

    September 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm in reply to: Laram on Tru vs Gaines #7649
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    laram wrote:

    IF 71% comp % against the likes of McCown and Cassel is better…the Rams are in trouble.

    They’re better LA. You can see it. And that’s with a rookie starting.

    September 17, 2014 at 12:08 pm in reply to: Laram on Tru vs Gaines #7646
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    laram wrote:

    Maybe you can, I can’t.

    Against Matt Cassel and Josh McCown is not that great a test but even with that, they’re giving up about 71% comp %.

    That AIN’T better.

    They’re tackling better, that’s for sure.

    Yeah LA they’re better. It’s pretty visible.

    The question is how much. Because yes, they have not really been tested…so we can’t know how much yet.

    September 17, 2014 at 11:53 am in reply to: Laram on Tru vs Gaines #7644
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    laram wrote:

    Let’s see if everyone in the secondary is playing better after they face some actual passing offenses.

    I don’t think that can be determined at this point, and IMO Gaines did not play well against Minny.

    He gave up several completions and a TD, so my evaluation is not on how he’s played, I’m strictly looking at his movements and instincts.

    You can tell they’re playing better by watching them. They’re better, as individuals and as a unit (Gaines of course is a rookie so we can’t rightly say he is better than last year). Anyway. What we will find out after they go up against top passing offenses is, HOW MUCH better.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:55 am in reply to: Laram on Tru vs Gaines #7627
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    Interesting, but then, everyone in the secondary is playing better than last year. So we don;t know where Johnson stands–he could be a different player too. I think the nickel who replaces Joyner there is McGee.

    September 16, 2014 at 8:43 pm in reply to: game reactions from around the net (ongoing thread) #7606
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    alyoshamucci

    This week was of course a win, and there will be much more in the “good” section . . . We gutted this one out. I know many saw this as an ugly game, I disagree. It was not ugly, it was violent. It looked like a Carolina win from 2004. I’m fine with it. I really think an ugly game has to have sloppy play and turnovers.

    The Great

    1) Brian Quick. He is the most added fantasy receiver this week. That is validation of his showing so far. he has gotten open, gotten targets, and made the most of them. Should he have made the catch on the deep ball? Yes, and I believe he will next time. He still has issues with being jostled as the ball comes . . but he’s getting more calm and comfortable. We have our #1. I don’t go into next year’s draft screaming for a WR, for the first time in as long as I can remember.

    2) Austin Davis made 8 clutch throws. Thats a lot. For a 3rd stringer that’s unheard of. Way to go dude. If they want to put Hill back in against the Cowboys, fine . . as long as they can find Quick and the TEs we’ll be fine.

    3) TJ McDonald. He is the safety I have been wanting for years. This was his 13th game? Goodness, what an awesome pick.

    4) Shotty calling an intermediate passing game? Play action on 1st and 3rd down? He’s learrrrning

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    The Good

    5) Britt and Pettis both made vital plays when we needed them.

    6) Bailey comes back this week, so we have a clear #2.

    7) Donald had three of his splash plays. That’s what I want his number to be each game . . it freaks the offense out when he beats his man that fast.

    8) Jenkins can tackle now, no longer a weakness, in fact a strength.

    9) Gaines was a 6th round rookie draft pick. Wow.

    10) Stacy was moving much better this game, he must have been rusty game one . .

    11) McLeod’s pick. Way to secure the ball dude. He also played fast beyond that.

    12) Kendricks and Cook. Clutch.

    13) GZ was 4-4 on a muddy field. We don’t win that game without him.

    14) The D line started collapsing the pocket and disrupting on run plays like I wanted them to.

    The Bad

    15) Injuries to Austin and Harkey.

    16) Wells is still missing blocks. I’m scouting for centers in the collegiate ranks in case Jones falls through.

    17) Still missing some tackles and some run fits. I thought we did fine against AP, giving up chunks to Rainey made me mad though. My guess, albeit optimistic and with little foundation, is that they are still getting used to the fits in GWs scheme, and J Lauz missed the preseason. Also, not having CL hurt in that department.

    The Ugly

    18) What’s the deal with the refs? Seriously. Im asking. Do they hate Fisher?

    September 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm in reply to: Quinn signs #7591
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    15,618,583 fully guaranteed, is what drives the contract. Then look at the cap numbers for the last 4 years of the contract. The Rams can certainly live with this contract. imo</span>

    Yeah they poured a bunch of it into 2015. As we already knew, frontloading.

    There’s a lot of cap space still left in 2016.

    2015 in contrast is pretty tight. If the cap is (as projected) 140 M, then right now, they have about 9 M. Enough to sign the draft picks and have some space left over.

    Bradford, J.Long, and Langford are the vulnerable guys in 2015, if they want to create space. Not sure they WILL want to do that, so that might mean something, might not.

    http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/st-louis-rams

    September 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm in reply to: going back over the Tampa game: Wagoner, Thomas #7590
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    You know, I think there’s something to that. I don’t know all the details, but during the game, we were saying that the Bux were burning the Rams on their big blitz packages, both on the run and the pass.

    September 16, 2014 at 8:31 am in reply to: Laram on run defense #7566
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    Laram
    I thought that in the second half of last season the Rams defense was among the best in the league against the run.

    What changed? Why aren’t they able to build off of that success? Essentially the same players.

    I guess the “read and react” Walton scheme for the front four wasn’t all that bad!

    Watch the line at the snap of the ball for the answer.

    You wanna make Brockers a 3-tech now? Pfffft
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    Brockers is NOT Haynesworth.
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    notice how open the middle of the Rams line is.

    Especially notice the last play when McCown hit Evans, he just stepped up right through the middle to get the pass off.

    I guess Fisher was right, that’s why they thought they needed Donald because the middle on pass pro is wide open.
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    Well if that’s part of it…then, watch. Bye week, a little film party, then re-adjustments. Either to the scheme, player technique, or both.

    September 16, 2014 at 2:23 am in reply to: game reactions from around the net (ongoing thread) #7560
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    Jim Fadler @jimiramsboy
    If Aaron Donald isn’t in there the Rams have too much room in the middle of their rush for QB’s to avoid the ends

    Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
    Currently leading our tackle for a loss charts? Rams Rookie defensive tackle Aaron Donald with four of them.

    Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy ·
    That throw to Austin Pettis yesterday was something to remember and savor #PlayDavis

    Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
    Some of my worst recent #Rams memories are against the Cowboys…last year and that snap to eternity to Romo a few years back

    Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
    It took me three years to even be able to mention the bad snap to eternity that Romo converted….#StilNotOverIt

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    Coach Fisher can say whatever he wants to but I think #RamsNation knows Shaun Hill is on a very short leash from here on out #PlayDavis

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