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znModeratorPFF: RAMS SELECT A TIGHT END, PICKING GERALD EVERETT IN THE 2ND
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-rams-select-a-tight-end-picking-gerald-everett-in-the-2nd/
Everett was one of the most elusive tight ends in FBS in 2016, and joins a Rams team that needs playmakers.
PFF ANALYSIS
The Los Angeles Rams selected tight end Gerald Everett out of South Alabama with the 44th overall pick.
Everett’s skillset could make him a star in Los Angeles’ shiny new stadium.
He forced a ridiculous 24 missed tackles in 2016 (the most in all of the FBS).
On average, Everett forced a missed tackle over once in every two receptions (56 in 108 catches) over the past three years.
Everett’s 2.31 yards per route run ranks fifth in the class while his 2.07 YPPR from the slot ranks third.
His numbers split away from the formation are particularly impressive, Everett caught 29 passes (fourth in the class) for 418 yards third in the class) when offset.
While undersized at 6-foot-3 and 239 pounds, Everett gave up just 1 sack and 0 QB hits in 125 total pass-blocking reps between 2014 and 2016
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znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
I personally love the pick and have been on his bandwagon for 2 full years.
Cooper Kupp:
+Hands
Top notch route runner
Wins with precision over explosiveness
Good blocker
Good size for the position
I think he can play outside as well as slot
His speed and strength concerns me at the next level
znModeratorwalterfootball.com
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017TE.php
Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 239. Arm: 32.88. Hand: 8.25.
40 Time: 4.62.
Projected Round (2017): 2-3.
4/25/17: Many teams think Everett is a dynamic receiving weapon for the NFL. They love his ability to separate and get open for his quarterback plus his excellent run-after-the-catch skills. Teams project Everett to go in the second round of the 2017 NFL Draft and have him as their third-rated tight end.Everett recorded 43 receptions for 648 yards and four touchdowns in 2016. In 2015, he had 41 catches for 575 yards and eight touchdowns. Sources have said there was a real buzz about Everett in the scouting community throughout his senior year, and he is often compared to the Redskins’ Jordan Reed.
Everett started out his career at UAB and played one season where he caught 17 passes for 292 yards and a touchdown. After UAB ended its football program, Everett transferred to South Alabama.
znModeratorTE Coach Shane Waldron Comments on Everett
Los Angeles Rams tight end coach Shane Waldron discusses the Rams’ second round draft pick of South Alabama tight end Gerald Everett.
znModeratorMeet Cooper Kupp: The best college football player you’ve never heard of
Sam Gardner
Aug 23, 2016ARK CITY, Utah — Any coach in college athletics will tell you that recruiting is far from a perfect science, and there’s no better evidence than Cooper Kupp.
An All-American wideout at Eastern Washington, Kupp may be the best college player in the country, to say nothing of his place in FCS history. A rising senior, Kupp has already caught more passes for more yards and more touchdowns than Jerry Rice — and has done so in two fewer games. And by the midway point of this season, he should hold every major FCS receiving record there is.
But coming out of high school in Yakima, Washington, Kupp wasn’t just overlooked by the major FBS programs that dot the Pacific Northwest. He was hardly on the radar for anyone, at any level.
“It was frustrating for him, and it was frustrating for me too,” Kupp’s father, Craig, said recently. “You just don’t quite understand it.”
That the 6-foot-2, 208-pound Kupp wasn’t pursued by every program on earth is clearly a massive oversight, and with the benefit of hindsight, any recruiting coordinator worth his title knows they should have been knocking on his door. Even so, it’s almost implausible that a player of Kupp’s caliber could fall through the cracks.
Fortunately for those misguided coaches across the country, Kupp has a plan to make sure it never happens to anyone else again.
An economics major with a minor in business administration, Kupp owns a 3.62 GPA and might be as bright in the classroom as he is talented on the gridiron. And during his time on the Eastern Washington campus in Cheney — pronounced CHEE-nee — he’s taken a particular interest in the study of what he calls econometrics.
“It’s similar to the ‘Moneyball’ stuff,” says Kupp, referencing the 2003 Michael Lewis book and 2011 film, as he watches TV in his hotel room on the first day of Big Sky media days outside Salt Lake City. “It’s the measurement of efficiency, putting labels on things and seeing, ‘How much does this variable effect this dependent variable?’ And in doing that, you can put together some really interesting models.”
One of the models Kupp has created was inspired, knowingly or not, by his own experience as an undervalued high school star. In it, Kupp takes 30 different figures available for any high school player and plugs them into a formula. The formula then crunches the numbers and spits out a result that predicts how productive that player will be in college.
Some of the variables Kupp’s model considers are predictable — height, weight, speed, on-field stats — but others, like hair color or the enrollment at a player’s school, are perhaps less obvious.
“Typically kids with dark-colored hair mature faster than those with light-colored hair,” explains Kupp, who is blonde. “So if you have a guy with dark-colored hair and a guy with light-colored hair and they both perform the same at the high school level, do you want to take the guy who has already developed all the way or the one who hasn’t?
“I just like figuring that kind of stuff out and manipulating variables,” Kupp continues. “So, like, what’s more important, a 5-foot-8, 160-pounder running a 4.3, or a 6-foot-3, 220-pounder running a 4.5? Which one is going to be better?”
Kupp readily admits that his model is far from perfect, and he’s constantly tweaking the algorithm to get it just right. But someday — hopefully after a long NFL career — he says he’d like to market the product to programs across the country to improve their approach to recruiting. He’s also begun to develop a model that projects draft position for college players.
But as Kupp dives into the minutiae of the draft-position experiment, which he says he did for fun, I stop him to pose a question: Have you ever projected your own college career through your high school-to-college model?
“Yeah, I did,” Kupp says, almost shyly, trying to hold back a knowing smile.
And?
“I guess you might say the results were pretty good.”*****
On the surface it would appear that Kupp was born to play professional football on account of his genetics alone.
His father, a quarterback, was a fifth-round draft choice of the New York Giants in 1990 and also spent time with the Cowboys and Cardinals during a brief stint in the NFL. And Saints fans will recognize Jake Kupp, Cooper’s paternal grandfather, as a Pro Bowl left guard who spent the majority of his 12-year career in New Orleans, starting in the franchise’s inaugural season in 1967.
“Growing up I knew they’d both played, but it was kind of interesting, because if you go and hang out with my grandpa, you’d see his trophies in the basement or his Saints helmet up on the shelves, but he just never talked about that kind of stuff,” Kupp said. “It was never something that we heard from him, or even my dad. You had to force them to talk about it.
“I think that’s just the kind of people they are,” he continued. “They’re not defined by what they’ve done and where they’ve played. It wasn’t NFL quarterback Craig Kupp and NFL guard Jake Kupp. They were just Dad and Grandpa.”
Additionally, Kupp’s mother, Karin, a personal trainer, played soccer at Pacific Lutheran University, where she and Craig are in the school’s athletic hall of fame. Karin’s father, Tom Gilmer, was also a former PLU quarterback and longtime high school football coach in Tacoma, and Cooper’s great-uncle, Jeff Kupp, played O-line at Eastern Washington in the 1980s, as well.
But early on in his own career, Kupp’s size was limiting, if not completely prohibitive, when it came to his goals on the field.
“My freshman year, I was 5-foot-4 and 115 pounds when I first weighed in,” Kupp said of his introduction to the football program at A.C. Davis High School in Yakima. “I remember because I was wearing ankle weights, so I was probably more like 112. But if you were to ask me then where I was going to be in four years, I still would have told you I was going to play at USC.
“That was just my mindset,” Kupp continued. “I never had a doubt in my mind that I was going to play football at the next level, and not just play, but play at a big time school.”
Fortunately for Kupp, his father and grandfather were also late bloomers and impressed upon Cooper the importance of mastering his position early, before the growth spurt they knew would someday come.
“When he was young, playing Grid Kids, he stood out as an athlete, but around sixth or seventh grade, the other kids just took off and had these phenomenal growth spurts, and Cooper just kind of stayed where he was,” Jake Kupp said of his grandson. “And I remember just how frustrating that was for him, because size-wise, it was very difficult for him to compete with the other kids. So he was just one of the kids at that time, but he had this desire and this passion to be better.”
“We developed the same way that Cooper did, so we knew he would get there eventually,” Craig Kupp added. “We had lots of conversations about getting footwork down and working on fundamentals and understanding the game so that when you do get your body, you’re going to leapfrog folks. You’ve got to have that base, and then the speed and athleticism will be there later.”
As a sophomore, Kupp made the varsity team at Davis, and while his numbers weren’t yet eye-popping — he caught 19 passes for 230 yards his first season — his dad saw a talented, if awkward, player that was primed to make a statement.
“I just remember, as a sophomore, it was so funny to look down there,” Craig Kupp said. “Because he was one of those guys with long legs, but his number was halfway tucked into his pants.
“He’d go to the summer camps and he wouldn’t stand out from a physical standpoint, but he was a real good, precise route runner,” he continued. “And when the field work would start, at least to me, he was light years ahead of most of the kids from a technical standpoint. But for some reason it didn’t translate. It didn’t capture the attention of the coaches that were there.”
As a junior, Kupp became a key deep threat for the Pirates, catching 31 passes for 811 yards and seven touchdowns, but even a breakout season did little to change the way he was viewed at the next level.
“To be frank, he was the skinny white kid from Davis who had good hands,” said former Davis offensive coordinator Jay Dumas, now the receivers coach at Central Washington. “He didn’t look like a Division I football player. I’ve seen kids over the last 20 years going to summer camps, and you can kind of tell the body types that are getting recruited. But Cooper, when he was a junior, he didn’t look like them. He looked like a Division II, Division I-AA recruit.”
So Kupp made it his singular goal to be even better, and as a senior he reeled in 60 catches for 1,059 yards and 18 scores, leading Davis, once a perennial doormat, to a second straight winning season for the first time since the late ‘60s. He’d also grown to be 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, and in 2011, the Seattle Times named Kupp one of the top 100 recruits in the state.
But Kupp still struggled to catch the eye of college coaches, despite the fact that his family hired a recruiting service to help get his name on someone’s — anyone’s — board. Jake Kupp, a Washington grad, also tried to use his connections at his alma mater to help, even reaching out to Steve Sarkisian directly to plead his grandson’s case.
Yet when Kupp walked off the field following his final high school game, he did so without a single scholarship offer in hand.
“My goals were set to have more opportunities,” Kupp said. “So it was tough going through that season and not having concrete proof that there is something for you at the next level.
“We couldn’t get anything back from these coaches,” he added. “Not even a note saying, ‘Hey, we took a look, but sorry, it’s not going to work.’ We couldn’t get anything, and when you’re going through that it’s kind of disheartening.”
Thankfully, Kupp had a wild card in his offensive coordinator, Dumas. One of Dumas’ former teammates at Curtis High School in Tacoma was Eastern Washington head coach Beau Baldwin, and throughout Kupp’s high-school career Dumas, a former Washington State wide receiver, tried to get his old pal to take a serious look at his latest find.
“I remember early on, he said, ‘Hey, I’ve got this young kid, and I’m telling you, down the road,’” Baldwin recalled of Dumas. “He was already seeing it when it wasn’t necessarily the easiest thing to see.
“So we saw him in football camps and kind of saw how he moved and how he did things and, it was like, ‘Hey, who knows?’” Baldwin continued. “But then as he started to grow into his body and we got to watch him as a junior and a senior and got to be around him, we saw some of the little things and the intangibles that when you didn’t get a chance to truly be around him, you may not see.”
Particularly, Baldwin and the Eastern Washington staff were impressed by the effort Kupp put into learning the Davis offense.
“I remember many days after practice, before practice, watching film with Cooper like he was an assistant coach,” Dumas said. “I literally leaned on him for ideas, for things that he felt good about. And the amazing thing with Cooper was, if we were watching film together, he rarely watched film in terms of what he was doing. He always watched film in terms of what we were doing so he understood exactly how the offense was running and what we were trying to accomplish.”
“Those were things that we valued,” Baldwin added. “So we thought, ‘Hey, he may be a little under-recruited, doesn’t come from a football factory, ran a bad track time’ — these were things in our favor that gave us a chance to recruit this kid that probably wasn’t going to get recruited heavily.”
It was three weeks after that final game when Kupp, also a three-year letter-winner and state champion in basketball, got a call from Baldwin during basketball practice offering a partial football scholarship to Eastern Washington. Soon after, Idaho State joined the bidding with a full scholarship offer, and a short time later, Baldwin matched it.
Kupp then paid a visit to both schools and ultimately decided to go with Eastern Washington, a perennial power one year removed from an FCS national championship.
“At the time, Idaho State was not a great team, and they had been struggling,” Kupp said of the Bengals, who showed promise during the Jared Allen years, but went a combined 4-40 during Kupp’s time at Davis. “But really, it was the relationships I had at Eastern. I visited Idaho State first, then visited Eastern, and once I was at Eastern I knew it was the right place.”
And while some in Kupp’s position may have viewed signing with Eastern Washington as settling, that was never Kupp’s approach.
“Coop didn’t feel overlooked,” Dumas said. “He didn’t look at it like, ‘I’m better than that guy that’s going to that school.’ He was genuinely happy to have a scholarship to go play Division I football and go get an education, and I think that helped him when he got there. He didn’t get there thinking that he should have been somewhere else. When he got to Cheney, he was home.”
*****
Simply earning a scholarship wasn’t enough for Kupp, however. He still had NFL aspirations and knew he had to make the most of his time as an Eagle to make them a reality. But almost immediately after arriving on campus shortly after his 19th birthday, Kupp and his coaches were met with the dilemma of what to do with his freshman season.
At the time, Eastern Washington boasted a trio of accomplished veteran receivers in Greg Herd, Brandon Kaufman and current Eastern Washington receivers coach Nick Edwards. Initially, Kupp hoped to play right away, but it soon became clear that snaps and targets would be limited if he did, making the prospect of taking a redshirt likely.
“I’d been playing football for however long it was, nine years, 10 years, so the thought of not being able to go out and compete for a year was tough,” Kupp said. “But in my head, I was going to treat it as if I was playing on Saturday either way. So I took that fall camp and said I was going to make the coaches have a tough decision by the end of it.”
Over the next few weeks, Kupp did just that, and eventually his coaches left the decision up to him, although they encouraged him to consider sitting out for the sake of his own development.
“When he got to campus, he outplayed Brandon, Greg and Nick, and they were all All-Americans and 1,000-yard receivers at one point in their career,” said Boise State receivers coach Junior Adams, at the time the receivers coach at Eastern Washington. “So I was kind of left with the dilemma of whether to play this kid or redshirt him.
“Now I say I’m the one that ended up redshirting Cooper Kupp,” Adams continued with a laugh. “But honestly, looking back, it was probably good for him and his career.”
It also turned out to be quite the coup for Eastern Washington.
“Knowing what I know now, would Portland draft Michael Jordan?” Baldwin added of the decision to redshirt Kupp. “Yeah, I might have had a different mindset, and I probably could have used him. But knowing that he’s coming back this year, I’m also pretty happy that we didn’t.”
With Kupp on the sidelines, Eastern Washington went 9-2 during the 2012 regular season and reached the semifinals of the FCS playoffs, where it lost to Sam Houston. Kupp, meanwhile, was named the offensive scout team player of the year and impressed the coaches with his commitment to preparation.
“A lot of guys get into what we call scout mode or redshirt mode — where maybe by spring ball they’re back at it — and that’s just human nature,” Baldwin said. “They’re a bigwig on a high school campus and all of a sudden they’re running scout team, and it’s tough to continue to stay motivated every day in practice when you don’t have a game. But because he is so rare in how he attacks things, he was practicing as a redshirt like he was the go-to guy that Saturday.”
“From a mindset standpoint, he was going to play as a freshman, and if not, he was going to act as if he was,” Craig Kupp added. “He’s just that kind of guy. He’s always doing extra stuff, but it’s not extra to him. It’s just what you should be doing.”And in keeping with the lessons he learned growing up in a football family, Kupp made a conscious effort to be as coachable as possible.
“People always say they’re mentally tough, but he defines it,” Adams said. “You can tell him something once and he’ll be able to correct it, and he just does a really good job of self-evaluating and really being critical of his game or how he runs his routes. He’s very, very detailed. Some people like details, but he loves details, and you don’t find many kids at that age that have that type of mindset or that type of head on their shoulders.”
Kupp also took a particular interest in learning everything he could about his team’s playbook, just as he did at Davis.
“I want to know the entire offense,” Kupp said of his approach. “I want to know what everyone is doing on every play, all the way from protection to tailback to progressions of quarterbacks. I want to understand plays, and because I understand plays better, I’m able to play the game faster and more efficiently. And I think that was one of the things that set me apart.”
“I tease him about it, like, ‘I think Cooper has a problem, I think Cooper has OCD with football,’ but it’s benefited him because he doesn’t want to leave any details unnoticed,” added Dumas. “He’s not watching film and studying to brown-nose. He’s watching film and studying because he really gets off on it, almost like he gets a football high by knowing exactly what everyone is doing.”
As a result — and thanks to his physical growth in the weight room — Kupp was at the top of the Eagles’ depth chart when his redshirt freshman season began. But still, there were questions as to how his skills might translate on Eastern’s bright red field.
“It was kind of like nothing changed, just the same thing all over again,” Kupp said. “People don’t have high expectations of me, but I’m not trying to be the best I can be for them. I just want to be the best me I can be and know that that’s going to be enough.”
Any lingering doubt was erased, however, in Kupp’s first game, as he hauled in five catches for 119 yards and two touchdowns during the first two and a half quarters of a 49-46 win at Oregon State. (He left the game after cramping up in the third.) Two weeks later, Kupp played through a painful hip pointer to catch five passes for 70 yards and a touchdown against another FBS foe, Toledo.
From there, Kupp caught a touchdown pass in all but one start for the Eagles, setting an FCS record with a TD catch in 14 consecutive games. Over the team’s final six regular-season outings combined, Kupp caught 10 touchdown passes and averaged nearly 160 yards receiving per game.
Led by Kupp, Eastern Washington reached the national semifinal for the second straight year, this time losing to Towson in Kupp’s only game without a score (he still caught eight passes for 124 yards), and Kupp finished the season as the FCS leader in receiving yards (1,691) and receiving touchdowns (21). For his efforts, Kupp was given the Jerry Rice Award as the FCS Freshman of the Year.
“I don’t want to say I expected to do it, but my goals were to be an All-American,” Kupp said of his redshirt freshman campaign. “And I know if I were to have that conversation with someone before my freshman year, they’d probably laugh it off and say I think too highly of myself. But that’s just how I have to operate. And then I was able to go out and achieve that, which was really cool.”
And while some may posit that Kupp set the bar too high in his first season, Kupp says the thought never crossed his mind.
“You ask yourself, ‘What did I do my freshman year that got me to where I was able to play at such a high level?’ and then take that and try to step it up the next year,” Kupp said. “So I came into my sophomore year with the attitude that I had to earn it again.
“I just didn’t want to get complacent or get stagnant in my growth as a receiver,” he continued. “I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I didn’t know I was trying everyday to be the best, not just for myself but for the team. As part of this team, if I’m not the best I can be on Saturday, then I’m letting all 80 of these guys down who are suiting up with me.”
*****
By the time he was a sophomore, Kupp was no longer flying under anyone’s radar, so perhaps it came as a surprise to some that Kupp followed up his debut with a monster second season. However, that’s a bit of logic that’s lost on his coach, Baldwin.
“Anyone who got to watch him day-in and day-out, they never saw a drop-off,” said Baldwin, a former quarterback at Central Washington. “They saw him continue to grow and continue to do more and more and come up in big situations.”
Never was that more true than on the road against Washington, when Kupp hauled in eight passes for 145 yards and three touchdowns in a 59-52 loss to yet another major program that never even gave him a look.
“The Huskies were one of the programs — and it was a different coaching staff than is there now — that we just couldn’t get to even talk to us,” Craig Kupp said of his son. “And you know, my dad played football there, so it was quite frustrating that we couldn’t at least have a conversation with somebody. So for him to go out and do what he did out there, that was pretty neat.”
Kupp’s grandfather called the performance one of the greatest days of his life.
“Having played in that stadium and having come out of the tunnel at that stadium and just knowing what he was feeling, and then just to see his ability to not get carried away with all the hype, it was probably one of my most special memories,” Jake Kupp said. “Just sitting here talking to you, I can picture that day in my mind like it was yesterday.”
From there, Kupp’s legend continued to grow, and for the season, he finished with 104 catches for 1,431 yards and 16 touchdowns — in two fewer games than his freshman season — and earned a consensus FCS All-American nod for the second straight year.
Paced by Kupp and quarterback Vernon Adams, Jr., Eastern Washington seemed poised for a national title run during Kupp’s junior year, but that plan grinded to a halt when Adams transferred to Oregon for his senior season.“They always ask what it’s like losing your quarterback, but really the tough part is one of your best friends leaving,” Kupp said of Adams, who was a groomsman in Kupp’s wedding last summer. “You go from spending eight hours a day with your boy, you’re lifting weights or throwing or watching film, doing something together, and then he leaves, so it’s hard.”
Kupp said he and Adams talked several times about the possibility that Adams might transfer, with Kupp assuring Adams that the decision wouldn’t impact their friendship either way while also urging him to stay. In the end, Adams switched allegiances to the Ducks but said he wasn’t concerned about leaving Kupp hanging without the only college quarterback he’d ever known.
“Pressure is a privilege, at all times,” said Adams, now with the Montreal Alouettes of the CFL. “If people are putting pressure on you, that’s a privilege, and it just shows that people are looking up to you and looking for you to make plays for the team. You always want that as a star player, and I never worried about him.”
It was only fitting, then, that Kupp opened his junior season against Adams and Oregon — and had the biggest game of his career on the biggest stage of his life. Though Eastern Washington lost, Kupp caught 15 passes for 246 yards and three touchdowns, prompting Oregon defensive backs coach John Neal to tab Kupp as a potential first-round pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.
“I had a nice talk with him and I wanted to tell him I’ve been watching his tape since summertime,” Neal told reporters of his postgame conversation with Kupp. “I knew we were going to have trouble guarding him.”
Over his first four games last season, Kupp caught 46 passes for 759 yards and 10 touchdowns — and that didn’t even include a 20-catch, 275-yard, three-touchdown outburst against Northern Colorado. For the year, he finished with 114 catches for 1,642 yards and 19 touchdowns in 11 games and led the FCS in every receiving category of note.
As a result, Kupp was named the Walter Payton Award winner as the FCS’ top offensive player — an honor previously bestowed on such names as Jimmy Garoppolo, Tony Romo, Brian Westbrook, Steve McNair and Dave Meggett.
And then there are the records. The laundry list goes on and on, but suffice it to say Kupp has broken virtually every receiving record that exists at Eastern Washington and in the Big Sky Conference. He’s also the FCS’ all-time leader in career receiving yards per game (122.5) and ended the season on pace to set FCS marks in career receptions and receiving touchdowns as a senior.
The only question that remained was whether Kupp, a projected second- to fourth-round pick, would play a senior season at all.
Fortunately, Eastern didn’t have to wait long to get an answer. Eight days after Eastern’s final game, Kupp and his wife, Anna, spent a Sunday fasting and praying about the decision, taking into consideration all they’d learned about his draft prospects. The next morning, Kupp woke up with a clear decision in mind, and later that day he announced he’d be returning to the school.
“I don’t want to force anything,” Kupp said. “I don’t want to do something out of my own selfish ambition. I don’t want to be something I’m not, and something I’m not is someone who does something that might not be right just because there’s more money in it. I’m about relationships, the relationships with my coaches, the relationships with my teammates, with my friends.”
He’s also eager for the team to redeem itself after a three-game losing streak to end the 2015 season dropped Eastern Washington from 6-2 and No. 4 in the nation to 6-5 and out of the FCS playoffs altogether. It will be a tall order. Eastern Washington — ranked No. 17 or No. 14 entering the season, depending which poll you choose to follow — opens at Washington State, then plays at five-time defending FCS champion North Dakota State, then hosts Northern Iowa, a top-5 FCS team in its own right.
“That’s important to me, too, and so is being able to do this with those guys and my brother for one more year,” Kupp said of his younger brother, Ketner, a sophomore linebacker at Eastern Washington. (Kupp also has another little brother, Kobe, and a sister, Katrina.) “If football is going to be a thing for me, God is going to make that a thing for me, and it’ll be there a year later.”
That’s a mature stance from a then-22-year-old with millions to be earned in the pros and little left to prove on the field, but from Kupp, it doesn’t come as a surprise.
“I don’t see football as a profit-maximization thing,” said Kupp, allowing the economist in him to come out. “I play football because it’s fun. I completely understand that football at the next level is a business, and I want to provide for my family as well, but I’m not about the excessive lifestyle, I’m not about living extravagantly.
“If God’s going to bless me with the opportunity to play this game,” he added, “I’m going to do it because I love it and because I was made to do it.”
*****
Barring some sort of catastrophic injury, it’s a virtual certainty that Kupp will get a chance in the NFL this time next year. The question now is whether he’ll be able to make as much of that opportunity as he did of the one at Eastern Washington.
Considering the last four years, though, it would seem unwise to write him off as just another flash in the FCS pan.While many FCS greats do go on to succeed in the pros, there are far more who don’t. Terrell Hudgins, the former Elon wideout whose career receptions and receiving yards records Kupp is poised to break, made a brief appearance in Cowboys camp in 2010 but was virtually never heard from again. David Ball of New Hampshire, for now the FCS’ all-time leader in touchdown catches, popped up in a couple NFL camps and bounced around the CFL but never amounted to more than a practice squad fill-in.
But the coaches who have faced Kupp over the last several seasons see plenty of reason to believe he will not only be a pro, but a good one.
“I think fans from the Pacific Northwest will recognize him as the second coming of Steve Largent,” said Idaho State coach Mike Kramer, the only other college coach to offer Kupp a scholarship. “He’s actually bigger than Largent was, but when Largent put his helmet on, it was not the Steve Largent that eventually became a U.S. Congressman. It was not the great guy that everybody thought of. He was a mean, vicious, wicked competitor, and Cooper Kupp is nothing less.”
Portland State coach Bruce Barnum also compared Kupp to the longtime Seahawk and 1995 Hall of Fame inductee.
“He’s fluid, he’s a great route-runner, and he’s got exceptional hands,” said Barnum, the 2015 Big Sky Coach of the Year. “Every team is different with what they do offensively, and when he gets that opportunity in the NFL, I think he’ll be looked upon differently by each team. Some like guys who run faster than a speeding bullet, and some want Steve Largent. He’s a cross between the two, and I’m guessing you’ll see Cooper Kupp play a lot more years of football.”
Northern Colorado coach Earnest Collins, Jr., against whom Kupp had the best game of his career so far, said he expects Kupp to emerge as “the next great slot receiver in the NFL.”
“I think the thing that he’ll have that Wes (Welker) and (Julian) Edelman don’t is that he’s got size,” Collins said. “He’s 6-foot-2 and I think he’s going to be phenomenal. He just has a special talent that’s kind of rare. And you can say, ‘Well, he’s doing it against FCS talent,’ but he did it against Oregon too. It’s not like he’s just torching lower-level talent. He’s torching whoever he comes up against.”
During Kupp’s career, he’s only been held under 50 yards receiving twice, most recently against Cal Poly last season. But even Tim Walsh, the Mustangs’ coach, admits there’s no secret to stopping him.
“We played the entire defense on him,” Walsh said. “If we were going to lose, we didn’t want it to be because Cooper Kupp beat us, and to me that’s the ultimate compliment you can give a player — that he alone is capable of winning the game.
“He’s the type of player that will play 11 or 12 years in the NFL,” Walsh added. “And I think because of his size, he’ll be an impact NFL player. I don’t think there’s any question. If he was playing at USC, he’d be a first-round draft choice. Out of Eastern Washington, maybe he’s a third-round pick, but he’s still going to have a tremendous career regardless.”
Predictably, Kupp’s own coach is also firmly in his corner.
“If he was in the NFL this fall, I think he’d catch 90 balls — I really do,” Baldwin said. “He’d do it on just about every team, and if you use him in a certain way, it might be 100 in a 16-game season. I see him being a high-volume guy, even at that level.
“People always say he’ll be a slot, but I argue that a little bit,” Baldwin continued. “I’m not saying he’s not a great slot, but I don’t think he’s pigeonholed into that, either. I think he can go out there and win against NFL corners, too. I believe that. He has the versatility and the intelligence to move all around in an offense. He always has, and I don’t see why that would change at that level.”
As is his best friend and former quarterback.
“Quote me on this: Cooper Kupp is the best receiver in the country right now,” Adams said. “No DB in the country can guard Cooper Kupp right now. I played at Oregon, and we had some great receivers there, but Coop is the best receiver I’ve ever played with. I’ve never seen anybody work like him. I’ve never seen anybody, on game day, come alive like him.
“He should go in the first round this year,” Adams continued. “I’m sure the scouts want to see him run under a 4.4, and he’s going to have two to three months to prepare for that, and I guarantee he runs underneath a 4.4 and goes in the first round.”
But perhaps Kupp’s most ringing endorsements have come from the pros who helped raise him. Both his father and grandfather said they were surprised by his decision to stay in school, and both are looking forward to big things from him once he finally does move on.“It was exciting for me, when I went through it, to be able to share that experience with my dad, and to be able to talk to him about his experience and that type of thing,” Craig Kupp said. “And to be able to have that, now, with Cooper — gosh, what a cool thing. It’s a pretty rare deal, and it’s a blessing, and we’ll keep our fingers crossed that it happens and that we can all experience that together.”
“This is very, very selfish on my part, but my wife and I, we travel, we went to all the games last year, and I just can’t imagine what it will be like to be able to watch Ketner on Saturdays then hop on a plane and go off to some NFL city and watch Coop play the next day,” Jake Kupp added. “Life couldn’t get any better than that.
“I also kind of have an understanding what he’s going into, but he’s in a whole different league from me,” the Saints’ Hall-of-Fame inductee continued. “I was basically a journeyman player, but Coop is a couple levels above what I ever was, and I think he could be one of the very best.”
Not surprisingly, Kupp has higher expectations for himself and says his goal is to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. But at the end of the day, the best player you’ve never heard of is also among the most humble and will be satisfied with whatever happens after his unexpected — but statistically predictable — rise to the top of the college football world.
“If I’m a coach and I see someone who can play, I’m not going to say, ‘You don’t fit the mold,’” Kupp said. “If you can play, coaches in the NFL want those players on the field. They want guys who know the game and love to compete. So I think there’s a place for me.
“Success in my mind is, when it’s all said and done, are you happy with what you did?” Kupp added when asked how he’ll evaluate his career whenever it finally ends. “And if I walk away knowing I did the best that I could possibly do, then I’ll be happy with myself. However long that ends up being, whether it leads to me being a Hall of Famer or not, I’ll walk away feeling like I was successful.”
znModeratorEvan Silva@evansilva
Cooper Kupp as good a bet as any WR drafted so far to lead his team in 2017 targets. #Rams receiving opportunities entirely up for grabs.Dani Klupenger@daniklup
Cooper Kupp’s dad & grandfather both played in the NFL. Dad (Craig) 5th round pick to Giants & Grandpa (Jake) is a Saints Hall of Fame OL.Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Kupp is “one of the most exciting prospects in this draft class, in that there is very little he can’t do on the football field,” per @PFFVincent Bonsignore@DailyNewsVinny
#Rams new WR Cooper Kupp in 4 games vs Pac-12: 40 catches, 716 yards 11 TD’sWR Cooper Kupp had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl workouts. Route running, catch radius and the ability to make some plays in traffic. Kupp doesn’t have great top-end speed on the stopwatch (4.62 40), but he has the skill set to win on inside breaking routes. Another target for QB Jared Goff after the Rams drafted TE Gerald Everett in the second round.
Matt Bowen, ESPN Staff WriterJason La Canfora@JasonLaCanfora
Rams have to keep trying to find weapons for Goff – Cooper Kupp makes a lot of sense to me here. Could be an Edelman type
znModeratorPFF SCOUTING REPORT: COOPER KUPP, WR, EASTERN WASHINGTON
The PFF analysis team breaks down the prospects of Eastern Washington’s Cooper Kupp ahead of the 2017 NFL Draft.
Name: Cooper Kupp
School: Eastern Washington
Position fit: Versatile WR
Stats to know: Kupp averaged a very high 3.32 yards per route run last season, and his 89.3 overall grade would’ve ranked second among all FBS receivers.
What he does best:
Really strong hands. Doesn’t wait for the ball to come to him, he’ll attack it at the catch point. Rarely loses in contested catch situations.
Plays faster than his 40 time, especially for his size.
Very smart player, recognizes different coverages and will adjust his routes to find the open space. Very good at finding and settling in holes in zones.
Good footwork, strong in and out of his cuts. Was able to beat tight coverage at the line of scrimmage with feet.
Great after the catch, can make defenders miss with shifty moves but also big enough to drive through tackle attempts.
Good route-runner, can disguise routes with head and feet fakes and double moves.
Very good at using his body at all levels, can box out defenders and use his size to get jump balls.
Uses his hands well to win at the catch point.Biggest concern:
Acceleration can be an issue. Takes him a bit to get going, may not have that kind of time and space against NFL players.
While he was effective at running every route he ran, scheme at Eastern Washington limited those routes. Will need more experience running more complex routes.
Sometimes seems to run a little upright which can slow him down in and out of his breaks.
Competition level. There were times where Kupp was clearly just a bigger and better athlete than some of the defenders he played against. This won’t be the case in the NFL.Player comparison: T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Houshmandzadeh was never considered the fastest or strongest or most athletic player on the field. But he made up for it with phenomenal route-running and strong hands. He was very intelligent and knew how to get open against all defenses. He used his size to box out defenders and make tough catches in contested situations. All of this can also be used to describe Kupp. It’s not crazy to think that Kupp could have a similar NFL career to Houshmandzadeh.
Bottom line: Kupp is one of the most exciting prospects in the draft class, in that there is very little he can’t do on the football field. He’s likely never going to be the fastest or strongest player on the field, but he’s quick, he’s smart, he has phenomenal hands and he knows exactly where he needs to be to get the ball. Concerns about his outside receiver potential are mostly overblown (he averaged 5.11 yards per route run outside the slot in 2016). His performance during Senior Bowl week showed that he can play just as well against higher levels of competition. Kupp may not have the flashiness of some of the other receivers in this class, but he very well could be one of the best in it.
znModeratorSorry, I’m confused. I just moved two posts to the link that is no longer here. I’m fighting bronchitis right now. I’ll try to move things later if needed. Sorry for being a pain in the butt.
You’re fine. I straightened it all out. Here’s the message I just left in the Everett thread:
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znModeratorCooper Kupp WR Eastern Washington
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2017profiles/Cooper.Kupp.htm
TALENT ROUND 1
STRENGTHS
Cooper is a special player and a potential franchise Receiver for the team that selects him. He has good size and good speed and loves the physical part of the game. He will do anything to catch a ball contorting his body in the air and if he had too I bet he would catch the ball with his feet while lying on the ground too. He has Godzilla hands that once he clamps on to the ball there is no way it is coming out until he hears the whistle. He adjust very well when the ball is in the air and at a young age understands how to read coverage’s on the fly and decipher what route to run against zone coverage’s and single coverage’s. He is football smart and this along with his natural talent, work ethic and ability to catch the ball with strong hands when being contested, makes him the perfect receiver for the intelligent, strong arm quarterback very much like Jordy Nelson is for Aaron Rodgers. Cooper is a leader through his play on the field and is a sold blocking receiver when playing any receiving position on the field and he plays them all. He is a run after the catch beast to tackle for defensive backs and in the red zone with his Godzilla hands a natural touchdown maker. There might be some receivers that are faster in this draft but trust me there are none that will be better.CONCERNS
My biggest concern about Cooper is that my favorite team passes on him and some other team in the same division doesn’t. Cooper has the work ethic to overcome his lack of short area quickness but if I wanted to nitpick that would be the question mark to his overall game. He’s a long strider and it takes him time to gain his top speed.BOTTOM LINE
Cooper’s run after the catch ability is dramatic and his ability to adjust and catch the ball is outstanding but what I notice also is his speed once he gets into the open field. Not many will catch this kid from behind and this makes him a franchise receiver along with his work ethic and love of the physical part of the game. Of course those Godzilla hands add to the mix. Those hands may not be the biggest but they might be the strongest I have seen catching the ball in a while. All I can tell you is that Copper Kupp is the real deal. I don’t know what round he will be selected in other than to tell you for me that round would the 1st round if I needed a receiver. Cooper might be selected later because of the level of competition but I suspect once he gets to the Senior Bowl and works out for those NFL coaches and scouts that Cooper might change their minds. Cooper (Godzilla Hands) Kupp when he latches on to the ball it would take a stick of dynamite to get it out of his hands.
znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
Gerald Everett – TE – South Alabama – Another WR in a TE body that plays fast and eats up turf. Willing blocker. Needs route running work.
+ Athleticism
Good hands
Terror after the catch
Willing blocker
needs route work
level of competition?I preferred a WR at 44 or maybe Feeney at this point, but 2 TE sets need 2 TEs. If McVay knows what he is doing then I will trust his picks until proven otherwise. So do I think he was a tad bit of a reach? Maybe. NFL Network guys said he was going to get interest at the end of the 2nd. So at what point do you quit trying to get cute and take your guy (Bobby Wagner anyone? ) Middle 2nd? Late 2nd? Early 3rd? whats the differnece if he’s your guy. They already picked up an extra 3rd and got their man.
znModeratorMyles Simmons @MylesASimmons
TE obviously a big part of McVay’s offense. Team seems to see Everett as a strong candidate to create mismatches.Evan Silva@evansilva
Stood out when watching Gerald Everett that he was better blocker than I expected. Basketball-player athlete. Liked his tape > Bucky Hodges.J.B. Long@JB_Long
4.62 forty … 37.5” vertical … former prep hoops player. Went from Hutchinson CC to Birmingham (cut program) to S. Alabama. #HornsUpJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Everett is a 6-foot-3, 239-pound pass catching TE. Had 107 catches on 162 targets for 1,587 yards and 13 TDs in 3 years at South AlabamaFrom Matt Bowen–TE Gerald Everett had a good week at Senior Bowl workouts. Route running and open field ability after the catch. At 239 pounds, with 4.6 speed, Everett will play an H-Back/Slot role in the Rams offense.
Casey Pearce @ccpearce
Rams fans, I saw Everett go 80 yards up the seam for a TD against my Red Wolves. Great play, great player.From PFF–
Rams long draft wait finally ends
The Rams didn’t have a first-round pick to spend since it was traded away last year, so they waited until the second round and picked up the talented Gerald Everett. The Rams were in desperate need of weapons for second-year QB Jared Goff, and Everett will be a nice, moveable target. Everett is the type of tight end that can be best utilized out in the slot, where he caught 29 of his passes last season. Everett can also rack up yards after the catch, averaging 9.1 yards after the catch per reception in each of the last two seasons. — Jordan Plocher, @PFF_Jordan
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znModeratorTE Everett. Basically he’s Jordan Reed.
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
One coach on Rams’ pick: “Everett’s a poor man’s Engram — he’ll play the (Jordan) Reed role for McVay.”
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PICK ANALYSIS:
“They’ve got to fill in and around Jared Goff. … Obviously going to be a red zone target for them. Going to have to get a little better at the point of attack. He’s going to be the move guy, but he’s a good athlete.” — Brian Billick
znModeratorInside the Draft Room: All Quiet on Day One
By Myles Simmons
Throughout the 2017 NFL Draft, Rams insider Myles Simmons will be seated in the team’s draft room to give you an inside look at the process of picking Los Angeles’ 2017 rookie class.
Thursday night was a quiet one in the Rams draft room.
As general manager Les Snead said in his press conference with Sean McVay after the conclusion of the first round, “We knew this was the year probably not to give up picks to go get a player late” — meaning the club’s higher ups knew they’d likely be observers on Day 1.
Still, there’s a buzz in the room as the clock strikes five o’clock pacific and the NFL Draft begins. To set the scene, Sead, head coach Sean McVay, EVP of football operations Kevin Demoff, and senior assistant Tony Pastoors are seated at the front of the room. Ahead of them are four screens* — two in the middle displaying the club’s draft board, one on the left showing the NFL Network, and one on the right showing ESPN. Above the big-screen TVs is the club’s official selection clock, displaying the time left for each pick.
It’s not silent, with conversations going on throughout the room between the personnel and football operations staff. But it is quiet enough to hear commissioner Roger Goodell say on television, “The Cleveland Browns are on the clock.”
Scouting assistant Michael Pierce is on headset with the Rams representatives in Philadelphia. When they find out what’s happening in Pennsylvania — be it a selection or a trade — they relay the information to Pierce, who then announces it to the room.
It’s 5:12 when Pierce tells the Rams draft room Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett is the Browns’ No. 1 overall pick — two minutes before the two TVs show Goodell making that same announcement to the public.
Two minutes after that, at 5:16, Pierce tells the room what is perhaps the biggest surprise of the night: The Bears have traded the No. 3, No. 67, No. 111, and a third-round pick in 2018 to move up to No. 2 overall. It’s a move met with some “Ooos” and “Ahhs” but not much else as Chicago picks North Carolina quarterback Mitchell Trubisky.
And so it goes for the rest of the first round, which takes three hours and 34 minutes. As McVay said in his press conference, he and Snead had their heads together as the end of the first round approached, with the pair going over possible plans for the No. 37 selection on Friday. Snead also acknowledged that there are plenty of possibilities for the second round, be it trade up, select a player at No. 37, or trade down to acquire an extra pick.
But once Pierce tells the room the Saints have selected Wisconsin offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk, McVay enthusiastically proclaims, “The fun starts tomorrow now, baby.”
And so it will, with Friday’s Round 2 beginning at four o’clock
znModeratorSilva & Norris’ Round Two Mock
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/71715/61/silva–and–norris-round-two-mock
I teamed up with Rotoworld draft analyst Josh Norris to create this second-round mock draft, relying on our collective understanding of prospect skill sets, team needs, and Norris’ knowledge of pre-draft buzz, team visits, and private workouts. As scored by The Huddle Report, Joe Marino of NDT Scouting produced the most accurate mock draft in the nation for round one, matching 9-of-32 players to their selecting teams. My mock score was mediocre as usual, although I’ll take tying Mike Mayock and beating Bob McGinn. For round two, I’d be pleased getting four or five picks right.
33. Packers – Washington CB Kevin King – I’m guessing King goes here or 34 if Packers trade out.
34. Seahawks – UConn DB Obi Melifonwu – Freak athlete at 6’4/224 fits Seahawks DB profile.
35. Jaguars – Pittsburgh QB Nathan Peterman – Tom Coughlin turns page on Blake Bortles era.
36. Bears – Michigan DT Chris Wormley – A fallback target after passing on Solomon Thomas.
37. Rams – Western Kentucky OL Forrest Lamp – Year-one starter at any of the O-Line positions.
38. Chargers – Utah FS Marcus Williams – Shores up safety after they passed on Malik Hooker.
39. Jets – Kansas State EDGE Jordan Willis – Willis is the best edge pass rusher left on the board.
40. Panthers — Alabama OT Cam Robinson – Takes over as the Panthers’ right tackle in year one.
41. Bengals – Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon – Mixon is rumored to be Cincy’s top round-two target.
42. Saints – Auburn EDGE Carl Lawson – Saints put a pass rusher in front of their first-round CB.
43. Eagles – Florida State RB Dalvin Cook – Philly was rumored to be considering Cook at No. 14.
44. Bills – East Carolina WR Zay Jones – Many dots connect here. Robert Woods replacement.
45. Cardinals — Colorado CB Chidobe Awuzie – Addresses the big hole opposite Patrick Peterson.
46. Colts – Houston EDGE/LB Tyus Bowser – One of the draft’s most versatile edge presences.
47. Ravens – USC WR JuJu Smith-Schuster – Baltimore was in the receiver market in round one.
48. Vikings – Indiana OG Dan Feeney – Vikes address glaring OG need with a high-floor prospect.
49. Redskins – Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara – Adds playmaking ability to Skins’ weak RB stable.
50. Buccaneers – Washington DB Budda Baker – Playmaking safety/slot corner addresses need.
51. Broncos – Michigan State DL Malik McDowell – McDowell becomes their new Malik Jackson.
52. Browns – California QB Davis Webb – Josh Dobbs & DeShone Kizer also in play for Cleveland.
53. Lions – NC State S Josh Jones – Would push for starting snaps at strong safety right away.
54. Dolphins – Temple G/T Dion Dawkins – Power blocker starts at guard for Miami in year one.
55. Giants – Western Michigan T/G Taylor Moton – Put simply, Giants need guys who can block.
56. Raiders – Vanderbilt ILB Zach Cunningham – Inside linebacker is Raiders’ biggest need left.
57. Texans – Florida S Marcus Maye – The Texans should also look at offensive line help here.
58. Seahawks – Florida DB Quincy Wilson – Seattle doubles down on secondary help in Round 2.
59. Chiefs – Colorado CB Ahkello Witherspoon – Long, athletic corner to book end Marcus Peters.
60. Cowboys – Florida CB Teez Tabor – Cowboys trust Tabor’s game tape here over his slow forty.
61. Packers – Youngstown State EDGE Derek Rivers – Checks boxes for athleticism and production.
62. Steelers – Penn State WR Chris Godwin – Steelers known to love this contested-catch specialist.
63. Falcons – Ohio State G/C Pat Elflein – Elflein likely starts at right guard for Atlanta in year one.
64. Panthers – Villanova DL Tanoh Kpassagnon – An athletic defensive lineman with freakish length.
znModeratorI dunno, maybe they take that Notre Dame QB with their first pick.
I mean, what if a QB is the BPA ?
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vRams don’t really do BPA. They do “value/fit.” So a player has to be a fit, a good value at the spot they’re picking, though if a special player falls to them they will use their “BPA but with an asterisk” formula. THat is, they ain’t gonna take a qb or RB, but, if there’s something like a safety there with transcendent value for the pick, they will do that. For example they took Donald even though they already had Brockers and Langford.
znModeratorPFF: Day 2 mock draft
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-day-2-mock-draft-jaguars-nab-qb-deshone-kizer-in-round-2/
(37). Los Angeles Rams
Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
The Rams add the versatile and sure-handed Jones to help young quarterback Jared Goff. Jones lined up all over the field and dropped only six of 164 catchable passes in 2016 and will provide a safe pair of hands for Goff in 2017.
(69). Los Angeles Rams
Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
One of our highest-graded receivers over each of the last two seasons, Taylor excels down the field hauling in more than 1,600 yards on deep passes over the last two seasons; comfortably the most among receivers in this draft class.
znModeratorjrry32 wrote:
I think highly of Lamp. If he falls to us, take him. I think he’s the safest pick in this draft. However, I see all the WRs available, and I don’t feel any desperation to go get Lamp.
If he goes elsewhere, we can trade back or draft a WR.
My top players available for us are:
1. Forrest Lamp
2. Cooper Kupp
3. Zay Jones
4. Chris Godwin
5. Juju SmithI’m not interested in a trade up.
And I don’t want Cam Robinson. I would have pounded the table for Ramczyk, but Cam Robinson has the same sort of issues that have led to D.J. Fluker and Greg Robinson struggling in the NFL.
znModeratorRecent history shows Rams can find impact talent at No. 37
By Alden Gonzalez
The Los Angeles Rams have some favorable history on their side heading into Day 2 of the 2017 draft: They selected the only Hall of Famer to be drafted 37th overall. That would be Norm Van Brocklin, the former T-formation quarterback who came out of Oregon nearly seven decades ago.
Maybe they’re due for another.
The Rams sat out Day 1, watching the three best receivers (Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross), and the three best tight ends (O.J. Howard, Evan Engram and David Njoku) come off the board. Eight defensive backs were also selected, including USC’s Adoree’ Jackson, who grew up near St. Louis and remained an ardent Rams fan. But general manager Les Snead said his targeted player remains on the board and that he had no motivations to trade into the first round because he still sees impact talent for No. 37.
Ra’Shede Hageman, whom the Falcons chose with 37th overall pick in 2014, could be developing into one of the NFL’s better linemen. Jason Getz/USA TODAY Sports
From 2000 to ’16, the 37th overall pick produced three players who were invited to at least one Pro Bowl: guard Andre Gurode, defensive back Eric Weddle and tackle Jon Stinchcomb. They combined for 10 Pro Bowl invites and two All-Pro selections. All 17 of those picks have combined to serve 60 seasons as the primary starters for their respective teams, as defined by Pro-Football Reference. Not bad.Below is a look at how each of the last 10 have fared, linked with the team that selected them …
2016: DT Chris Jones, Chiefs: A Mississippi State product, Jones turned in a solid rookie season, starting 11 of 16 games while compiling 10 quarterback hits, five tackles for loss, four pass deflections and two sacks. Pro Football Focus graded him 13th among 127 qualified interior defenders.
2015: WR Devin Smith, Jets: A torn ACL caused Smith to miss the final three games of his rookie year and the first 12 of his second season. The speedy receiver and Ohio State product has compiled only 10 catches for 135 yards and a touchdown so far, but he has a chance to earn more targets.
2014: DT Ra’Shede Hageman, Falcons: Hageman came on strong late in the 2016 season and could be developing into one of the NFL’s better linemen. In three years, the Minnesota product has compiled four sacks — two of them over his last three games — and five disrupted dropbacks while starting 15 games.
2013: RB Giovani Bernard, Bengals: Bernard has spent his first four years as a backup but has been productive as a runner and a receiver, compiling 4,113 yards from scrimmage and 20 touchdowns. He played in 55 of 58 games, then suffered a torn ACL in Week 10. His average yards per carry went from 4.7 in 2015 to 3.7 in 2016, but the Bengals’ offensive line struggled.
2012: T Mitchell Schwartz, Browns: Schwartz spent his first four years with the Browns, then signed a five-year, $33 million contract with the Chiefs. Listed at 6-foot-5, 320 pounds, Schwartz has started all 80 of his games at right tackle and has been among the game’s best. Pro Football Focus graded him 27th — tied with Rodger Saffold — among 78 qualified tackles last year.
2011: DE Jabaal Sheard, Browns: Sheard spent his first four years with the Browns, starting 50 of his 61 games, then signed a two-year, $11 million contract with the Patriots, helping them win the Super Bowl in February. He parlayed that into a three-year, $25.5 million deal with the Colts. Sheard has racked up 36 sacks and 260 tackles in 89 career games.
2010: DB Nate Allen, Eagles: Allen was a fixture in the Eagles’ secondary in 2010-14, starting 69 of the team’s 80 games and intercepting 10 passes. But Allen tore his MCL with the Raiders in 2015, playing in only five games, and was in a reserve role in 2016. The Dolphins signed him over the offseason and will give him a chance to start again, with T.J. McDonald serving an eight-game suspension.
2009: DB Alphonso Smith, Broncos: This was a mistake. The Broncos sent a future first-round pick to the Seahawks, which turned into Earl Thomas at 14th overall, to take Smith 37th. After only one year, he was traded to the Lions for a tight end named Dan Gronkowski, who spent most of the prior year on the Lions’ practice squad. Smith’s career was over after four NFL seasons.
2008: LB Curtis Lofton, Falcons: Lofton started 111 of a possible 112 games for the Falcons and Saints in 2008-14. During that time, he recorded 874 tackles, second most in the NFL during a seven-year span. He then started nine games for the Raiders in 2015 but was released during the ensuing offseason and sat out 2016. Lofton played only one season of a three-year, $18 million contract.
2007: Weddle, Chargers: Weddle is the star of this group and still one of the NFL’s best safeties. The Utah product is a four-time Pro Bowler who has twice been named first-team All-Pro. Weddle spent his first nine years starring for the Chargers, then signed a four-year, $26 million deal with the Ravens. In 10 years, Weddle has 23 interceptions, 7 1/2 sacks and 936 tackles. Pro Football Focus graded him the NFL’s best safety last season. Not bad for a 32-year-old.
znModeratorI just listened to the day one press conference. It is obvious, to me, that McVay is just a spectator. Snead is running this draft. McVay sort of gave away that at 30, Snead had 8 players listed in order that, the Rams top players at that time. I expect Snead will sit there and pick whoever is his top player left at 37.
We have the transcript too if anyone is interested: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/snead-mcvay-post-draft-day-1-427-transcript/
znModeratorn. They need to help him. And whether that is OL, TE, or WR, I suspect it will be offense first. And I am guessing WR.
I will guess, also, that the first defensive guy is probably going to be a pass rusher, unless some irresistible steal drops to them through luck.
I don’t know. Very deep draft. That changes the rules.
They can get WRs and TEs later in the draft.
They can also get CBS, OLBs/rushers later in the draft.
Some were saying this is a draft where you can find starters in round 4.
Given all that, maybe the thing to do—if they don’t trade down—is to take the highest ranked “fit” at any position that makes sense. (IE not a qb or RB).
(Oh, z, and, thanks for moving the post.)
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znModeratorFrom MMQB-
Day 2 Mock Draft
With a wild Round 1 in the books, a look ahead to how Friday night’s second and third rounds might play out…http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/28/nfl-draft-friday-day-2-rounds-2-3-mock-draft
ROUND 2
No. 33 Green Bay Packers (from Cleveland): Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
He’s a player I thought Green Bay might target had they stayed in the first. A hard-hitter, he’ll fit very well in Dom Campers’ system.
No. 34 Seattle Seahawks (from San Francisco): Kevin King, CB, Washington
Seattle stays local and gets the cornerback many believed they would snatch in Round 1. King will be a seamless addition to the Legion of Boom.
No. 35 Jacksonville Jaguars: Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky
Here’s how Jacksonville is making Blake Bortles’ life easier in 2017: a workhorse running back and reinforcing the offensive line. No excuses now.
No. 36 Chicago Bears: Jordan Willis, DE/OLB, Kansas State
Chicago gave up a ton to get Mitchell Trubisky. Adding a grind-it-out pass rusher like Willis helps soften the blow.
No. 37 Los Angeles Rams: Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
Jared Goff needs weapons and Jones will be a go-to-guy. He was incredibly productive in college—he’s the FBS all time leader in receptions—and impressed scouts at every stop of the draft process.
No. 38 Los Angeles Chargers: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
The Chargers take a stab at Phillip Rivers’ eventual replacement. It’s the perfect situation for Kizer to step into.
No. 39 New York Jets: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
Jets GM Mike Mccagnan is a subscriber of “best talent available.” That’s unquestionably Cook, who might just make New York’s offense fun to watch, no matter who is playing quarterback.
No. 40 Carolina Panthers: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
Christian McCaffrey will help Cam Newton succeed in 2017, but so too will an improved offensive line.
No. 41 Cincinnati Bengals: Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
The thinking on Mixon is this: If you’re going to draft him—and absorb the PR blow—you might as well do it sooner rather than later. Cincinnati feels like the right organization.
No. 42 New Orleans Saints: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
More help for the defense is just what New Orleans needs. Cunningham is a tackling machine.
No. 43 Philadelphia Eagles: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
Christian McCaffrey and Dalvin Cook are studs, but Philadelphia was wise to wait. Similarly, Kamara can contribute as a runner and in the pass game.
No. 44 Buffalo Bills: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
He’s a big, physical possession receiver (and happens to be the youngest player in the draft, turning 21 in November). Smith-Schuster is also advanced as a blocker.
No. 45 Arizona Cardinals: Davis Webb, QB, California
Webb loves to study (the son of a coach, he’d eventually like to coach himself). He’ll learn for a year or two under one of the best in Carson Palmer.
No. 46 Indianapolis Colts: Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
He’s 6′ 7″ with nearly 36-inch arms, and he’s athletic to boot. Kpassagnon might be a little raw, but the upside as a pass-rusher is tremendous.
No. 47 Baltimore Ravens: Chris Wormley, DL, Michigan
He’s 6′ 5″, a shade under 300 pounds and versatile, though he’s especially tough against the run. Scouts rave about Wormley’s high character as well.
No. 48 Minnesota Vikings: Dan Feeney, G, Indiana
It’s no secret the Vikings need help at guard, especially with Alex Boone the only interior lineman signed past 2017. A four-year starter at IU, Feeney was instrumental in Telvin Coleman’s and Jordan Howard’s breakout seasons.
No. 49 Washington: Budda Baker, S, Washington
This ends up being a dynamite defensive draft for Washington (which may still be using Scot McCloughan’s draft board). Johnathan Allen and Budda Baker are two dynamic young talents, and Baker provides a centerfielder to go with box safeties Su’a Cravens and D.J. Swearinger.
No. 50 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
I love the athletic safety in defensive coordinator Mike Smith’s sys-tem. Melifonwu’s best years are definitely ahead of him.
No. 51 Denver Broncos: Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte
He’s only been playing football since his sophomore year of high school, and he’s not quite a finished product. A couple years of coaching and he could be one of the league’s premiere defensive tackles.
No. 52 Cleveland Browns (from Tennessee): Marcus Maye, S, Florida
Maye can set the tone with his physicality. Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, Maye—the defense might not be bad in 2018.
No. 53 Detroit Lions: Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State
The Lions get a gem with the hometown prospect. At 6′ 6″, 295 pounds McDowell’s length and explosiveness will make him a mainstay of Detroit’s pass rush.
No. 54 Miami Dolphins: Pat Elflein, OL, Ohio State
Mike Pouncey has been bothered by injuries to his back and hip, and the Dolphins could be looking for a successor. Elflein could be a stud at any position on the interior, especially in run blocking.
No. 55 New York Giants: Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
One of draft season’s fastest risers finds a home in New York. Bowser will become a favorite weapon of defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
No. 56 Oakland Raiders: Alex Anzalone, LB, Florida
No question, inside linebacker is one of Oakland’s biggest needs. Anzalone could be a three-down starter in this league, should he stay healthy.
No. 57 Houston Texans: Taylor Moton, OL, Western Michigan
He’s 6′ 5″, 319 pounds and has played both guard or right tackle. It wouldn’t take long for Moton to help protect Tom Savage (or Deshaun Watson).
No. 58 Seattle Seahawks: Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
The Seahawks load up on pass rushers. Basham’s size (6′ 4″, 269 pounds, 34 1/4-inch arms) and production (11.5 sacks, 16 tackles for loss in 2016) are certainly attractive.
No. 59 Kansas City Chiefs: Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
He’s physical and lengthy, exactly the type of corner that could plug in well in Bob Sutton’s D.
No. 60 Dallas Cowboys: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
The Cowboys need to re-stock depth in their secondary after a free-agency exodus. Wilson is a good start.
No. 61 Green Bay Packers: D’Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
The Packers lost Eddie Lacy in free agency and are in year two of the Ty Montgomery experiment. Needless to say: Green Bay needs a running back. Foreman has great speed for his size (6-foot, 233 pounds).
No. 62 Pittsburgh Steelers: Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
The Steelers continue to rework their secondary; Evans and 2016 second-rounder Sean Davis would be an interesting pair of safeties
No. 63 Atlanta Falcons: Dorian Johnson, G, Pittsburgh
More O-line help, always, for the Falcons. Johnson is tough, smart, and technically sound—a great fit for Dan Quinn’s “brotherhood.”
No. 64 Carolina Panthers (from New England): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
Myles Garrett gets all the acclaim, but Hall has potential to be a terrific pass-rusher. He’s still learning the nuances after switching from linebacker.ROUND 3
No. 65 Cleveland Browns: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
The Browns have a ton of picks, but they still can use a little bit of everything. The Penn State wideout is deceptively fast and brings another playmaker to the offense.
No. 66 San Francisco 49ers: Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
In John Lynch’s first draft, the GM finds a little luck: San Francisco gets a first-round talent (albeit an injured one) at a value rate.
No. 67 San Francisco 49ers (from Chicago): Josh Jones, S, N.C. State
Jones is a box safety who loves to hit. That skillset should be familiar to Lynch.
No. 68 Jacksonville Jaguars: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
Just as the Jaguars scooped up Myles Jack in 2016, Jacksonville scores with a first-round talent who tumbled because of injury.
No. 69 Los Angeles Rams: Marcus Williams, S, Utah
This was a position of need, even before T.J. McDonald signed a free agent deal with Miami.
znModeratorRams feel good about their second-round options
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Within the first nine picks, the three best receivers came off the board. From selections 19 to 29, the top three tight ends were gone, too. And by the end of Thursday’s first round, eight defensive backs had been taken.
But Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead insists that the player he’s targeted for the 37th overall pick, whomever that is, remains on the board.
“He’s still there,” Snead told reporters from the team facility on Thursday night. “That’s part of trying to handicap who will be gone in the first. We weren’t playing fantasy football and had a certain player up there that wasn’t going to be there.”
With the No. 5 pick — acquired in the deal last year that prompted the Rams’ selection of Jared Goff at No. 1 overall — the Titans reached for Western Michigan receiver Corey Davis, who was nothing more than a pipe dream for the Rams. With the 18th pick, they reached for USC corner Adoree’ Jackson, who grew up near St. Louis and remained — until that night — an ardent Rams fan.
Clemson receiver Mike Williams went to the Rams’ new crosstown rival, the now-L.A. Chargers, at No. 7, and Washington speedster John Ross followed at No. 9 to the Bengals. Alabama tight end O.J. Howard then went to the Buccaneers at 19 and Miami tight end David Njoku was selected by the Browns with their third first-round pick, No. 29. In between, Ole Miss tight end Evan Engram — linked frequently to the Rams over the last few weeks — was scooped up by the Giants at 23.
The Rams also waved goodbye to LSU safety Jamal Adams (Jets), Ohio State corner Marshon Lattimore (Saints), Ohio State safety Malik Hooker (Colts), Alabama corner Marlon Humphrey (Ravens), Ohio State corner Gareon Conley (Raiders), Michigan safety Jabrill Peppers (Browns), LSU corner Tre’Davious White (Bills) and Jackson.
They remain hopeful.
“The thing that you do feel good about when you look at the depth of this draft,” first-year Rams coach Sean McVay said, “there’s a lot of good players at different positions that we feel really good about, and that kind of gives us some flexibility in terms of what we’ll want to do at 37 that’s going to help us get better as a football team.”
The best receiver remaining is East Carolina’s Zay Jones, who’s 6-foot-2, 200 pounds and sure-handed. If either of the four teams ahead of them — the Packers, Seahawks, Jaguars and Bears — draft Jones, the Rams can turn to USC’s JuJu Smith-Schuster or Ohio State’s Curtis Samuel if they still crave a receiver. But that would mean disregarding more talented players at other positions. Like Western Kentucky guard Forrest Lamp, Washington corner Kevin King, Alabama tackle Cam Robinson, Florida State defensive end DeMarcus Walker and Washington safety Budda Baker.
“We’re five picks away, so we have got to have five players that we would take,” Snead said of stacking his draft board for Day 2. “And then, from there, you decide whether you go up and get one of the five, or you take one, or you move back from there and grab another pick.”
The Rams were surprised no cornerback was taken within the first 10 picks and only two offensive linemen went within the top 32. They noted the bevy of trades, particularly from the division-rival 49ers and Seahawks, who moved back to acquire additional picks. The 49ers picked up Stanford defensive tackle Solomon Thomas and Alabama inside linebacker Reuben Foster, while the Cardinals added Temple inside linebacker Haason Reddick.
The Rams, without a first-round pick for the first time since 1987, had no intentions of trading into the first round.
“We knew this was the year probably not to give up picks to go get a player late,” Snead said. “We had done a lot of work on who we felt would fall, and we were very comfortable with those players. So we felt that it might be the best strategy to stay put this year.”
The Rams have a lot of ways they can go in this draft. They’re thin at receiver and tight end, but would also like to identify their center and left tackle of the future. They need to replenish depth in their secondary, but also need to beef up at linebacker.
The player they want is “still there,” Snead assured.
“Players,” McVay said, chiming in. “He’s got a lot of guys.”
znModeratori’d take a real hard look at mcdowell.
tons of potential there. i think not being able to play one position hurt him.
could be a load at defensive end.
MALIK MCDOWELL
6’6″
295LBSANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Slippery and long. Combination of arm length and flexible torso allow him to slither into gaps and create disruptions for blockers. Freaky combination of size and athleticism. Can overwhelm blockers with pure strength and explosiveness when his feet are right. Strong enough in lower half to play through contact and cause stress in the pocket. Has tremendous amount of untapped potential waiting to be unlocked. Quick, strong hands in pass rush. Able to attack the edge with club-and-swim pet move. Can crank up a pocket-caving bull rush. Can redirect his weight and maintain pursuit of scrambling mobile quarterbacks. Long frame and play speed can close out perimeter runs and foil them before corner is turned. Elite playmaking radius. Explosive lateral movement and quickness. Can bound from one gap to the next in Sparty’s slanting defensive front. Will be extremely difficult to cross face as he learns the position. Has experience up and down the defensive line.
WEAKNESSES Footwork and technique are a mess. Plays with inconsistent base width and overall balance. Struggles to keep feet clean and ends up on the ground. Lines up in narrow, three-point stance from interior and struggles to fight back against down blocks and double teams. Can be washed out of his gap too often. High center of gravity made interior work a challenge at times. Can bend, but lets high pad level get the best of him. Doesn’t consistently utilize his length with first hands. Has to become better at controlling the point of attack with his natural attributes. Needs to punch and control rather than leaning on blockers. Production doesn’t match up with the traits and the talent. Scouts concerned about work ethic and leadership.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1
SOURCES TELL US “He has a chance to be a dominant player in our league. I mean dominant. It hasn’t turned on for him all the way yet but if it does, he could be like Mario Williams. He’s just a little lazy and I worry about whether he is going to be a self-starter.” — NFC North area scout
NFL COMPARISON Ezekiel Ansah
BOTTOM LINE Has similar physical traits and abilities of Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner, but may not share their football character. McDowell lacked production along the interior and could benefit from a move to a defensive end spot in a 4-3 or 3-4 front. McDowell is raw, but when he flashes, it can be blinding. McDowell is an explosive, ascending prospect with All-Pro potential if he grows into his body and takes the necessary coaching.
-Lance Zierlein: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/malik-mcdowell?id=2557970
znModeratorMerlin wrote:
Well, just off the top of my list there’s…
1. A few very strong CB options (King, Awuzie, Lewis)
2. Four solid wideout options (Jones, Godwin, Juju, Kupp)
3. Two very good interior OL (Lamp, Feeney)
4. One very good LB (Cunningham)Tomorrow night’s gonna be fun! I wouldn’t move up because the quality of that round 3 pick is going to be excellent. Nor would I give up a round 4 pick in this draft. Too many players I really like in that range. Let the draft come to you at 37.
If they insist on interior OL, Lamp isn’t the only option. I also like Feeney a LOT, not a lot of dropoff there.
And the wideouts are going to depend on what exactly they’re looking for. If it’s what we think, an X type, then they’ll have some solid options.
CBs as expected will have most value. If you want offense desperately might want to buckle up lol.
znModeratorLMU93 wrote:
my best available going into Friday
RB Dalvin Cook
OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson
DL Malik McDowell
CB Kevin King
CB Chidobe Awuzie
QB DeShone Kizer
LB Tim Williams
S Obi Melifonwu
CB Quincy Wilson
LB Zach Cunningham
DE Chris Wormley
DE Jordan Willis
S Budda Baker
DE Carl Lawson
znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
My Bigboard after Day 1
1. Myles Garrett – DE – Texas A&M – Top edge rusher in the draft. No real holes in his game. Just an explosive, smooth athlete.2. Jonathan Allen- DL – Alabama – Could play a 4-3 end in base set, move inside on passing downs or could be a 3-4 end. Serious pass rush from the inside.3. Leonard Fournette – RB – LSU – A hammer between the tackles and enough speed to take it to the house. Rare athleticism for his size at the position. Just a punisher. Going to have to watch his weight.4. Malik Hooker – S – Ohio State – A ballhawk with a ton of range and instincts. One of my altime safety favorites since I started doing this.5. Jamal Adams – S – LSU – a rare heat seeking missle SS that has very good coverage skills. Great instincts and an absolute hammer. Not your typical in the box safety.6. Marshaun Lattimore – CB – Ohio State – Very fluid cover corner with great feet. Is active in run support and is more then willing to stick his nose in the middle of things.7. Christian McCaffery – RB – Stanford – Multiple position threat. Slot, RB, PR, KR you name it. Best pass catching RB in draft. 4.48 speed with incredible feet, is patient with burst. Just lacks some bulk.8. Derek Barnett – Edge – Tennessee – A terror off the edge that was a sack machine. Not a liability against the run. More athletic then given credit for and plays with an edge.9. Soloman Thomas – Edge – Stanford – Quick first step, strong and more of an athlete then we are used to seeing from Stanford lineman. A tad raw and size wise a tweener but his skill set is just too much to ignore.10. O.J. Howard – TE – Alabama – A gifted pass catcher with the ability to block. A true size/ speed TE.11. Haasan Reddick -OLB – Temple – I like him more then most. But he is your new age 4-3 OLB. Smooth sideline to sideline with the speed to match up with these weapon TEs.12. Mike Williams – WR – Clemson – Not a homerun hitter, but has great size and is a master at going up and getting the ball. Not a plodder though.13. Reuben Foster – ILB – Alabama – A thumper that has learned to stop leading with his head. Instinctive, agile, sideline to sideline and nasty. Can cover. Questionable character IMO.14. Corey Davis – WR – Western Michigan – A favorite of mine for a few years now. He’s a size/speed/weight WR that has great hands and super college production. Level of Competition doesn’t botehr me.15. Ryan Ramczyk – OT – Wisconsin – (pronounced Ram check) Top LT in a weak OT class. Great build for the position. Good bend and a decent hand punch. Tad raw and prolly starts on the right side.16. Jabrill Peppers – SS – Michigan – Was fun to watch play all over at Michigan, but in reality, he is a SS only and a to return guy with freakish athletic ability. Smooth and fast, but lacks the weight to be a OLB in the pros.17. Mitch Trubisky – QB – North Carolina – 1 spot lower then I had Goff last year. Has all the tools, a tad short at 6-2″ but that isn’t a big deal to me. 13 college starts tells me he needs time to develop. Good mobility, good arm, few interceptions with a 68% completion %.18. John Ross – WR – Washington – An obvious speed freak (4.22) but undersized at 5-8 and 188. Vertical threat, can take the top off a defense, whatever term you like. A Desean Jackson type WR.19. Dalvin Cook – RB – Florida State – Here’s your homerun threat. Incredible balance and feet. Just an amazingly athletic RB that has pass catching skills. Off the field red flags.
20. David Njoku – TE – Miami – Athletic freak with great size for the position but only 13 starts. A serious mismatch TE.21. Cam Robinson – OT – Alabama – A natural RT where speed won’t affect him as much. Could be an OG. A mauling run blocker that has had issues against athletic, quick rushers in the passing game.
22. Takkarist McKinley – OLB – UCLA – IMO a 3-4 OLB that is at his best going forward. Explosive, quick and pretty smooth. A natural edge rusher.23. Zach Cunningham – ILB – Vanderbilt – A 3 down ILB. Love his insticts, ability to cover (watch the Engram Ole Miss game) and ability to shed. A tad narrow framed and never had a int. in
24. Charles Harris – Edge – Missouri – An athletic, speed rusher. More of a 3-4 OLB then a 4-3 end. Played with and without his hand in the dirt.25. Marlon Humphrey – CB – Alabama – Here’s where it gets fun as far as CB rankings. I like his size/ speed combo along with his agressiveness in run support. He had a few hiccups in pass coverage this year, but nothing alarming IMO.26. Caleb Brantley – DT – Florida – A 3 tech in a 4-3 defense. A very disruptive interior lineman. Excellent quickness off the snap. Interviewed poorly at the combine.
27. Deshaun Watson – QB – Clemson – Althetic QB that thrives in high pressure situations and seems like a natural leader. I question his accuracy and decision making with the football. The system he comes from will make for an adjustment period.28. Taco Charlton – DE – Michigan – A riser on my personal board all year. A classic, long 4-3 end that can get after the QB.29. Quincy Wilson – CB – Florida – Another bigger (6′-1″ 210 lb) CB that is physical. Faster than quick. Needs to stay focused.
30. Tre’Davious White – CB – LSU – 5′-11″ so average size, a 4 year starter that got better every year, including his level of aggresiveness. Smooth CB trending upward IMO.31. Forrest Lamp – OG – Western Kentucky – could also be a OC. Prolly goes much higher then I have him but too much depth at CB and edge rushers puch him down. A OT with average arm length moving him inside. Uses his hands well and is aggresive in run blocking. Kinda narrow lower half.
32 . Gareon Conley – CB – Ohio State – 6′-0″ 195 CB that has good length to play against bigger WRs and enough speed to match up with quicker WRs.33. Malik McDowell – DT – Michigan State – 6′-6″, 295 lbs. – played inside and out. Great length and hand use. Can play with a high motor (can also disappear)
34. Kevin King – CB – Washington – 6′-3″, 200 lbs. A lanky CB. Hass played slot and outside as well as starting his career as a FS. Smooth with nice speed and a willing tackler. A tad raw from moving around the defense so much.
35. Evan Engram – TE – Ole Miss – At 6′-3″ 235 lbs. with a 4.4 40 time is he a WR a slot WR or a TE? At TE he has elite speed that could create matchup issues. At WR not so much. Have heard his work ethic is second to none.
36. Garett Bolles – OT – Utah – Good feet with a nice punch that allows him to mirror opponents. A tad older then other prospects at 24, was out of football for 2 years.37. Obi Melifonwu – S – UConn – 6′-4″ 225 lb. rangy safety that is ultra athletic and can work in the box or play man. In any normal year, would be the top S off the board.
38. Budda Baker – FS – Washington – plays bigger then his 5′-10″ 195 lb frame. Plays fast, plays sideline to sideline and is a willing tackler. Poor hands…
39. TJ Watt – OLB – Wisconsin – either a 4-3 SSLB or more likely a 3-4 OLB. Excellent edge rusher who also does well setting the edge. (get ready for a run on OLB )40. Jordan Willis – OLB – Kansas State – 3-4 OLB. Another good pass rusher that can set the edge and is more athletic then he gets credit for.
41. Tyus Bowser – OLB – Houston – 3rd 3-4 OLB. Exposive first step and good bend get him to the QB. Missed a month of his senior year after breaking an orbital bone fighting a teammate…
42. Pat Mahomes II – QB – Texas Tech – The gunslinger in this class that has tons of ability and like every other QB, needs time. Confident, mobile and a huge arm. Decision making can be iffy.43. Jarrad Davis – ILB – Florida – Sideline to sideline finisher. Athletic and decent in coverage. Only hole is he can be over aggresive and get washed out.44. Curtis Samuel – WR – Ohio State – A combo WR/RB in college. Will be a WR in the pros. Good hands, good route runner and as dangerous as anyone in the draft in the open field.
45. Adoree Jackson – CB – USC – undersized at 5-10″ 186 lbs. More athlete then football player at this point. Going to start in the slot and will need technique work, but has ball skills.***
46. Dan Feeney – OG – Indiana – I like him as a RG. Plays with a nasty streak.+ pass protecter that came from a zone scheme. Can pull. Plays with patience, ie, doesn’t lunge.
47. Tim Williams – OLB – Alabama – Gets after the QB as an OLB. Explosive with bend that makes him an excellent pass rusher. Needs work setting edge in run game.
48. Sidney Jones – CB – Washington – A smooth corner with tremendous ball skills and is decent in run support and can blitz. Narrow frame may be a concern, but IMO he plays bigger then he is. NOTE: injury at proday keeps him from playing his season.
49. DeShone Kizer – QB – Notre Dame – Built well for a QB, athletic, a good arm to make all the throws. Shows some touch at times. I wish I liked him more, but he teases you one game with his talent and then it disappears. Needs some time (like every other QB this year) to develop.
50. Dion Dawkins – OG/OT – Temple – Excellent balance to go along with good technique. I like him inside as a guard where he can use his power.
51. Derek Rivers – OLB/DE – Youngstown State – I really like this FCS kid as a 3-4 OLB. He is what I like to call a speed to power converter. Can set an edge. Should be a better pro then college player. Needs to develop some pass rush moves.
52. Chidobe Awuzie – CB – Colorado – 6′, 200 lb corner that is smooth with loose hips and plays inside and out. Can get a tad handsy at times.
53. Alvin Kamara – RB – Tennessee – Explosive with some wiggle and good balance. Not as instinctive as the first 3 RBs on my list.
54. Fabian Moreau – CB – UCLA – Another smooth athlete with elite top end speed. Good size for the position. Inexperienced due to position change and it shows at times. Torn pectoral at Pro Day.
55. Carl Lawson – DE/OLB – Auburn – Explosive off the edge, also good at setting the edge. Injury history and needs to develop more pass rush moves.
56. Teez Tabor – CB – Florida – Prototypical size for position, athletic and mirrors well and has recovery speed. Had some lapses in coverage this season and a miserable 40 time is concerning.
57. Adam Shaheen – TE – Ashland – Rare size, speed, athleticism for the position. 6′-6″ 278 lbs and ran a 4.78. Can block but needs work. Major step up in competition.
58. Raekwon McMillan – ILB/OLB – Ohio State – Downhill with instincts. Plenty of speed and shows some pass coverage ability. Struggles taking on blocks.
59. JuJu Smith-Schuster – WR – USC – Strong, physical WR. Hands catcher and wins contested balls. Good route runner. Troubles with seperation.
60. Chris Wormley – DT – Michigan – Played inside and out. good bullrush. Quick but not explosive. Athletic for his size. Lacks what I would call a suddenness to his game.
61. Desmond King – S- Iowa – Played corner for the Hawkeyes but lack of speed will move him to safety. Instictive with ball skills. Physically limited.
62. Josh Jones – S – NCST – Size/speed combo with ball skills that can be over aggressive at times.
63. Gerald Everett – TE – South Alabama – Another WR in a TE body that plays fast and eats up turf. Willing blocker. Needs route running work.
64. Chris Godwin – WR – Penn St. – Excellent route runner with good hands. Plays slower then his timed speed.
65. Cooper Kupp – WR – Eastern Washington – Route technichian with excellent hands playing in the slot. Can he play outside?
66. Tarell Basham – DE – Ohio – Another speed to power athlete. High motor and can set an edge. Needs pass rush moves.
67. Cordrea Tankersly – CB – Clemson – Nice length for the position. Does well to mirror WRs and good production. Concerned about instincts / too handsy for my liking.
68. Marcus Maye – S – Florida – Prototypical size for position. Makes plays on the ball and plays sideline to sideline. Can get lost in coverage at times.
69. Marcus Williams – S – Utah – Another prototype sized S that has instincts and plays sideline to sideline. needs to get stronger.
70. ArDarius Stewart – WR – Alabama – WR that gets it done. Nothing flashy, plays tough, wins contested balls and tough to tackle.
71. Ahkello Witherspoon – CB – Colorado – 6′-3″ 200 lb. size/speed combo with loose hips but needs to add weight.
72. Taylor Moton – OT/OG – WEstern Michigan – Big and strong and needs to be a guard. has played OG and OT. Footwork and balance issues force him inside.
73. Dorian Johnson – OG – Pitt – Big, strong with an excellent lower body for a OG. Needs to stay engaged in blocks longer at times.
74. Zay Jones – WR – East Carolina – High production with good hands. Has played inside and out. Competes. Average play speed IMO. Lots of production came after team was desperately behind.
75. Montravius Adams – DT – Auburn – Disruptive, plays low and explosive. Lets blockers get into his body too often.
76. Pat Elfein – OC/OG – Ohio State – Strong lower body, plays with patience. Good hands. A little stiff .
77. Ryan Anderson -OLB – ALabama – Excellent hand work and sets a mean edge. More of an effort pass rusher. Not explosive, not real rangy.
78. Larry Ogunjobi – DT – Charlotte – 6′-3″ and plays low with decent explosiveness off the snap. Short arms and could use more size in his game.
79. Antonio Garcia – OT – Troy – very athletic with +feet. Needs to add some weight, short arms not ideal.
80. Chad Hansen – WR – Cal – good size @ 6′-2″ and deceptive speed. Plays smooth and physical. Good hands. needs to create more seperation.
81. Cameron Sutton – CB – Tennessee – Instinctual CB with good hands and smooth feet that needs to add some size.
82. Isaac Asiata – OG – Utah – has played OG/OC – A flat out non-stop mauler thjat can be over aggressive at times.
83. Davis Webb – QB – Cal – Big arm, big body. Comes from a air raid offense so needs to sit and learn…
84. Ethan Pocic – OC – LSU – Tall and athletic for a center. Good hand usage. Not strong and can get leveraged.
85. Justin Evans – S – Texas A&M – Some of the best ball skills in the draft and is always around the ball. Likes to hit, but doesn’t tackle. Needs more size.
86. DeMarcus Walker – DE – Florida – Has excellent hand work, nice array of pass rusah moves and finds ways to get to the QB. Very inconsistant when you watch him from game to game.
87. Joe Mixon – RB – Oklahoma – does it all. Excellent burst, can thump between the tackles, excellent pass catcher and has excellent feet. As a human being, the guy is a repeat offender dirtbag I wouldn’t touch.
88. Dalvin Tomlinson – DT – Alabama – Big, thick space eater in the middle. Not very athletic, but does the dirty work.
89. Jordan Leggett – TE – Clemson – Good length for the position at 6′-5″. Hands catcher that really puts pressure on the seam. Can block. Stiff and needs to put in consistant effort.
90. Amara Darboh – WR – Michigan – Excellent size and ran a 4.45 but doesn’t play to that speed. Physical, heady player.
91. Eddie Jackson – S – Alabama – Rangy S that has played CB. Has good ball skills and is a +punt returner. Average athlete.
92. D’Onta Foreman – RB – Texas – excellent feet and athleticism for a big back. Needs to work on ball security.
93. Taywan Taylor – WR – West. Kentucky – Slot WR that gets seperatuion with his athleticism and speed. Does let the ball get into his body.
94. Jourdan Lewis – CB – Michigan – undersized nickel CB that plays much bigger then he is. Great feet. Good speed and athletic. Just lacks size.
95. Carlos Henderson – WR – Louisiana Tech – Under-rated WR that has top end speed, ok runner, good hands and has returner experience. Is he a slot guy in the NFL? Step up in competition.
96. Charles Walker – DT – Oklahoma – Strength and quickness is very good. Consistancy is not. When is is is right, he is tough to stop. Concussions could be an issue.
97. Nathan Peterman – QB – Pitt – Average physically, inc. his arm. Came from a pro style offense so can drop back. mechanics need work, but he is accurate.
98. Dede Westbrook – WR – Oklahoma – Smooth route runner that is dangerous with the ball in his hands. Extremely light in the weight deptartment.
99. Kendall Beckwith – ILB – LSU – Physical, old school MLBer that is willing to take on blockers. Average athletically. torn ACL may have him drop.
100. George Kittle – TE – Iowa – Good blocker, +hands that can press the seams and is more of a reciever then your typical Iowa TE. needs route work.
101. Rasul Douglas – CB – West Virginia – Big, physical CB at 6′-2″. Excellent awareness with OK speed. Burner WRs will give him trouble. Serious concerns about his smarts.
102. Alex Anzalone – OLB – Florida – Can play inside and out, 3-4 or 4-3. Good moving forward or backward. Injury history concerns.
103. Tanoh Kpassagnon – DE – Villanova – A tall, long 3-4 DE that uses his athelicism and long arms to get to the QB. Good at setting the edge and holding his ground. Not explosive.
104. Eddie Vanderdoes – DT – UCLA – Athletic and powerful. Looked better pre-ACL tear. Played all last year and seemed off. Knee is an issue.
105. Anthony Walker Jr. – ILB – Northwestern – instinctive middle LBer works best going downhill. A little limited athletically.
106. Jake Butt – TE – Michigan – A tough in-line chain moving TE with strong hands. OK as a blocker. Tore his ACL in bowl game.
107. Trey Hendrickson – DE – Florida Atlantic – Good burst with good arm use. Uses a couple of rush moves. Force fumble machine. A little small and can have issues setting the edge.
108. Roderick Johnson – OT – Florida State – Tall OT with long arms and uses them well with a solid punch. Strong. Balance and movement issues make him a RT.
109. Malachi Dupree – WR – LSU – good size at 6′-2″ 200 lbs, solid hands with excellent body control. QB play makes him a hard eval. Doesn’t play to his 4.5 speed.
110. Jaleel Johnson – DT – Iowa – Athletic with a revved up motor for a big kid. Excellent hand use. Gets upright at times and issues once a blocker gets into his body.
111. Bucky Hodges – TE – Virginia Tech – Tall, smooth TE with 4.57 speed. Will work the seam and the redzone. Needs route work. Hands can be iffy at times.
112. Duke Riley – OLB – LSU – Downhill read and react LBer. Average athlete.
113. Blair Brown – OLB – Ohio – Instictive, downhill LBer that finishes. A tad undersized.
114. Josh Reynolds – WR – Texas A&M – Long WR with 4.5 speed that wins jump balls. Wins contested balls and is a vertical threat. Thin framed that has problems with the jam.
115. Carlos Watkins – DT – Clemson – Big and athletic. Good hand use. Can get leveraged by OGs, needs to play lower.
116. Samaje Perine – RB – Oklahoma – A bruiser back with yards after contact power. Not much wiggle.
117. Nico Siragusa – OG – San Deigo State – A muscular fire hydrant. Excellent run blocker. Needs work on pass pro.
118. Elijah Qualls – DT – Washington – A 6′-1″ space eating fire hydrant. Short arms and legs make it difficult for him to make plays.
119. Daeshon Hall – DE – Texas A& M – High motor guy that has played as a LB and DE. IMO a 4-3 DE. Can set the edge against the run and has shown he is athletic enough to rush the passer. 1 yr as a DE makes him raw.
120. Jonnu Smith – TE – Florida International – Another seam pressing TE with 4.6 speed. Decent blocker. Doesn’t have natural hands.
121. – Vince Biegel – OLB – Wisconsin – 3-4 OLB with a high motor. Plays the run well. At his best playing downhill. Needs to get stronger (once he gets engaged, tough to disengage)
122. Eric Magnuson – OL – Michigan – Gets the OL designation because I feel he could play multiple positions. Experience at OG and OT. I think he ends up inside. Needs to get stronger.
123. -Dawuane Smoot – DE – Illinois – 6′-3″ 265 lb DE/OLB tweener with 4.77 speed. High motor, good athlete with some speed to power that I like. Can have issues against the run.
124. Noah Brown – WR – Ohio State – A big, physical WR that wins contested catches and moves the sticks. Really raw and young.
125. John Johnson – S – Boston College – Has played CB and S. Smooth with +footwork. Excellent ball skills and gets sideline to sideline. Needs to play more physically as a S.[/color]
znModerator49ers take a DE: SOLOMON THOMAS… http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/solomon-thomas?id=2558018
So what’s their defense?
it’s a 4-3 outfit that utilizes 3-4 personnel, much like the schemes run in Atlanta and Jacksonville that originated in Seattle, where Saleh was an assistant under Pete Carroll from 2011 to 2013 at the height of Seahawks-49ers rivalry.
April 27, 2017 at 8:16 pm in reply to: 2017 GBN Big Board & the draft on tv—times, channels, etc. #67882
znModeratorLink to draft thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/first-big-surprise-chi-takes-qb-at-2/
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