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July 28, 2015 at 11:57 am in reply to: Brady to be suspended…which will happen…when? a May-July saga #27684
wvParticipant“… Remember, Sean Payton was not implicated in BountyGate, but Goodell still suspended him for the 2012 season, saying ignorance is not an excuse. Belichick runs the Patriots’ football operation, so it will be interesting to see if Goodell, who is not exactly fond of Belichick, ultimately holds him responsible because the whole thing it happened under his watch…”
I dunno. I think Payton was indeed “implicated” in Bountygate if Implicate
means the guy HAD to know what his DC was yakking about in the locker-room all year long.
I dont see how people can say Payton wasn’t “implicated.”w
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wvParticipantFine, but I’m waiting for the first
Marxist coach.w
vJuly 27, 2015 at 7:17 pm in reply to: Mikes Sando: ranking qbs, including the long version ranking all major starters #27649
wvParticipantI dont know why anyone would assume Foles is an
“average” QB. He’s had a Great year,
and a mediocre year.How does that translate into “average QB”.
I mean, i think it makes more sense to
just try and analyze what he does well,
and what he doesn’t. I dont
think its particularly analytical
to say “he’s average”. Based on what?w
vJuly 26, 2015 at 6:26 pm in reply to: the Seattle approach–what is the relative value of a great 2ndary v. a great DL #27606
wvParticipantSeahawks have a special advantage at home,
for starters. That place is worth more
points than any other NFL venue, I’d say.Seahawks have a top seven DLine.
And its no.3 in passrush, according to those Stats.
A solid 11th against the Run.And of course we all know about the secondary.
Its one of the best defenses in History.
Especially given how the rules have tilted
things toward the offense. Its up there
with the Ravens and Bucs in the post-2000-era.I am looking forward to seeing Foles
throw 7 TD’s against them in game one.w
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wvParticipantI talked to a guy in jail the other day. He was
denied a lawyer. Court wont appoint him a public-defender.
Why?
Because the crime he committed carries no jail sentence.
He wrote some worthless checks. Worthless check charges
only carry a FINE but no jail time.
The law in WV sez, you are only entitled to a court-appointed lawyer
if the crime you are charged with — carries a possible JAIL sentence.So…he’s in jail because he cant MAKE BAIL — but the charge itself
carries no JAIL sentence — so…he cant get a Lawyer, to help him
…get…out of jail.I could go on
It’s insane.
I caught bit of “…And Justice For All” last night—the old Al Pacino film. That also touches on the insanity of the system Good film.
I can’t imagine your level of frustration having to deal with it all the time. Maybe you just get numb after awhile–I don’t know. All you can do is do whatever little good you can do in this bizarre system. I have to believe when you get victories it feels pretty good, knowing what you’re up against.
Nah, it doesn’t get to me, Pa. Its not just
the ‘criminal justice system’ — its the same
story in all the corporotacracy’s “sub-systems.”
Health care, Education, Media,
Legal System…etc, etc, etc — same story: crush the poor.Meanwhile, the poor continue to vote for
duplicats and replicants.Ah well.
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v“Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number —
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you —
Ye are many — they are few.”Percy Bysshe Shelley
— from his poem “The Mask of Anarchy”:“Our picture of the world is provided by those that profit from our ignorance.”
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wvParticipantSounds good, wv.
Yeah–I think you’d really like “Divide”. It’s really eye opening in how the justice system works in different ways for different people. How delaying trials as a practice, can keep people in jail longer than their sentence would have been, how deals are made where people plead guilty to things they aren’t really guilty of and then as their record grows it becomes more difficult each time they are brought in–because as far as the law is concerned–they have a big record when a guy was just trying to make the best deal he could in a situation because bail is often set too high for lower income people to meet. Lousy options.
And the other part of the deal is about Wall Street and the banks and how THAT justice system works–or doesn’t really.
Justice is arbitrary–not some objective sacred thing that we’ve been led to believe.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Divide-American-Injustice-Wealth/dp/0812983637
Good customer review:
Whatever your viewpoint, this book likely will change it.
By Steven G Duff on April 20, 2014
Format: Hardcover Verified Purchase
You could bookend this with Christa Freeland’s “Plutocrats.” But where that recounts a lot of dry history and statistics interspersed with its revealing interviews, Taibbi isn’t afraid to roll up his sleeves and go to the story. This is a book written with a wry sense of the absurd situations it details. Corruption at both the top and the bottom of our society. But to very, very different ends.Remember: this is the guy that went to the Florida “rocket docket” court, recording how thousands of people were stripped of their homes under the flimsiest pretexts, often with outright fabricated evidence. In “Divide” he goes again where the stories are: to Bed-Sty, the outer NYC boroughs, and the courts. And documents how miserably the system treats the disadvantaged. What you think you know from “Law And Order”, believe it: you don’t. Kafka himself couldn’t improve on some of this. At one point Taibbi refers to all this as a “descent into madness.” And after reading it, it’s hard to argue with that.
The “Divide” of course is cash. But this is no screed against “the rich.” If that’s what you think you’ve not read the book, or completely missed the point. To wit: if you commit a massive, white-collar crime, but you’ve got enough (i.e. near-infinite) cash, you’re now too much trouble and risk to even indict, let alone prosecute. And if — like me – you’ve wondered why none of the people who committed these global frauds on a massive scale have ever been prosecuted for any of it, this book gives you a detailed, compelling, and depressing answer.
Taibbi points out most of us will never see any of this. Out of sight, out of mind. The poor are segregated away. And the corrupt wealthy never have to interact with any of the people who are so profoundly impacted by their frauds. These are the guys who ripped off us off, burned down our 401Ks, rigged Libor rates to line their own pockets with our mortgages. And then moved on to other cushy positions, presumably doing much the same.
One review here (by someone who claims to have read all of 3 pages) complains about Taibbi’s assertion of “a miserable few hundred bucks” collected by welfare cheats in San Diego. But let’s be clear: Taibbi never suggests these people should be let off. But he does spend considerable ink contemplating for example, about the corrupt execs at institutions like HSBC. Execs who brazenly laundered money for the Iranians and the Sinaloa cartel. (They actually opened a special teller window to fit the boxes of cash that were brought in!) About how these guys got off scot-free with a fine paid by HSBC. And never even saw the inside of a courtroom. While people who buy those street dime bags that HSBC so thoughtfully enabled can spend years, or a lifetime, in prison. Lose their kids. Their right to vote. And then even if they do get out can’t get a job. “A billion dollars or a billion days.” Does that seem like “equal justice for all?” Not to me. Not to Taibbi. And it won’t to you after you read this.
Taibbi suggests a larger, deeper, and more sinister subtext. About what we claim to profess as a nation: due process, equal justice, simple fairness. Money and power have always had their sway of course. But the inescapable takeaway from this is that we’ve simply given up on these ideals; they’re now just too much trouble. As a nation we no longer give a damn. That’s the real divide. And the real outrage.
I talked to a guy in jail the other day. He was
denied a lawyer. Court wont appoint him a public-defender.
Why?
Because the crime he committed carries no jail sentence.
He wrote some worthless checks. Worthless check charges
only carry a FINE but no jail time.
The law in WV sez, you are only entitled to a court-appointed lawyer
if the crime you are charged with — carries a possible JAIL sentence.So…he’s in jail because he cant MAKE BAIL — but the charge itself
carries no JAIL sentence — so…he cant get a Lawyer, to help him
…get…out of jail.I could go on 🙂
Its a wonderful system for poor people. The wonderfulness
never ends.w
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wvParticipantIt was set in Hawaii and involved Giant talking pigs,
and a half-shark-half-man demigod, and a Volcano goddess, and
some Japanese billionaires who wanted to buy a resort and turn
it into a golf-utopia. Oh, and a ghost-hunting, naked, Mark Twain is one of the
main characters. Yes.That sounds awful.
I may try ” The Abominable” at some point but I need a break from him right now.
I’m still reading “Divide” by Matt Taibbi, “Flashpoints” by George Friedman, “The Emperor of all Maladies” by Siddhartha Mukherjee(I’ve been working through that well over a year and I’m about halfway through it) and a paperback novel called “Influx” by Danial Suarez(labeled the Crichton of his time according to the book blurb). Hopefully I won’t start anything new until I finish these. I should set my limit at five at a time–period. I always have a hard time quitting a book when I should. I just keep going most of the time. So they can add up when I get bored.
Not that all of these are boring. “Divide” is fantastic, actually.
Well yeah doesnt surprise me that Taibbi’s book is great.
The best book I’ve read this year (and I’m still reading it) is “Democracy’s Prisoner”.
Its a biography of Eugene V Debbs. Debbs was a tall, charismatic Socialist back in the World War I era.
He ran for President from a Jail cell in Moundsville WV. President Woodrow Wilson tossed him in prison,
for speaking out against Wilson’s War. Back then numerous Socialists were jailed for being anti-war. Some were lynched. Many were beaten in police-riots and riots lead by the American Legion and American soldiers and rightwing vigilantes.Helen Keller was a socialist and was one of his biggest supporters, along with Upton Sinclair, btw.
The book is well-written. Its not a leftist screed by any means. Just lays out the facts, nicely.
Definitely my favorite book of the last few years.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dissent/Democracy%27sPrisoner_Debs.htmla book review
Democracy’s Prisoner
Eugene V. Debs, the Great War, and the Right to Dissent
by Ernest Freeberg
a book review by Peter Richardson
http://www.latimes.com/fe, June 15, 2008It all sounds so familiar: a foreign war, an unpopular president, high-minded vows to spread democracy abroad and a dubious law to restrict liberties at home. Add to that scenario vast inequalities in wealth, high immigration rates, scant regard for working families and festering resentment about the ravages of global capital. The conclusion seems inescapable: the first decades of the 20th century sound weirdly like the present.
But the differences are also notable. Before World War I, a radical journal could reach 700,000 American households, and socialism was what William James might call “a live hypothesis.” The impassioned speeches of labor organizer, Socialist leader and five-time presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs were nothing short of evangelical in tone and effect. (He once called socialism “merely Christianity in action.”) Debs inspired groups large and small, and his remarkable charisma is what most concerned the powers that were. For the historical parallel to hold, we must imagine a third-party presidential candidate today who could receive 1 million votes without leaving his prison cell — and a roaring ovation from his fellow inmates when he finally did.
According to historian Ernest Freeberg, it was precisely Debs’ virtuosity that forced America to grapple with the limits of dissent. In 1918, Debs was convicted under the recently minted Espionage Act for questioning America’s entry into World War I; before that, free speech protections were more a matter of custom, easily dispensed with during wartime, than of high legal principle. But his 10-year sentence raised 1st Amendment issues with unprecedented force. Sixty-three years old and in poor health, Debs faced the prospect of dying in prison. His drama played out against a backdrop of revolutionary violence both here and abroad: While he was serving his sentence, a bomb planted by anarchists ripped through a busy Wall Street intersection, killing more than 30 people and injuring 200.
Freeberg shows that in the end it was Debs’ popularity, not a knockdown legal argument, that compelled politicians, the mainstream media and eventually federal judges to reconsider the government’s power to jail dissidents. The legal justifications came later, after Debs walked out of an Atlanta prison and caught a train to meet his unlikely Republican pardoner, President Warren G. Harding. Ailing, distracted by foreign affairs and stung by criticism from progressives and conservatives alike for his policy failures, Democrat Woodrow Wilson had refused to pardon Debs despite rising public pressure to do so after the war. When it seemed safe, his successor made the call, shrewdly connecting it to his pledge to return the nation to normalcy.
Throughout this time, many civic groups and public officials defended the Espionage Act. One leader of the American Defense Society declared, “Those who are not for us, must be against us.” A congressman advised: “People should go ahead and obey the law, keep their mouths shut, and let the government run the war.” Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. dismissed criticism of the court’s unanimous rulingagainst Debs as “a lot of jaw about free speech.” But Holmes reconsidered his position and later offered his “clear and present danger” test to adjudicate such cases. By that standard, Debs never would have been convicted.
Freeberg’s narrative unfolds at a stately pace. He patiently introduces the main characters and many minor ones. Debs’ main advocate, Lucy Robins, leaves her vegetarian restaurant in San Francisco to take up the fight. She receives strong backstage support from Debs’ labor rival, the AFL’s Samuel Gompers, and equally strong resistance from her more radical husband. Upton Sinclair weighs in, overconfident in his ability to reason with Wilson. We also hear from John Reed, Helen Keller, Clarence Darrow and U.S. Postmaster General Will Hays, who would later lay down the law for the Hollywood studios. (His nemesis, Mae West, appears briefly to lobby Harding for Debs’ release.) Wilson’s attorney general, A. Mitchell Palmer, launches raids on radical groups and thereby scotches his political future. But Palmer’s loss is J. Edgar Hoover’s gain; the young bureaucrat fills his files with the names of subversives — and eventually carries the imprint of those years into the Nixon era.
The middle section of the book, which describes the various pressures and counter-pressures brought to bear on the amnesty question, slows to a crawl. Debs moves through two prisons and three wardens, whom he invariably impresses with his integrity and affability. His freedom looms on the horizon like a mirage as two administrations ponder the politics of his release. One delegation after another makes its pitch in Washington, and the decision-makers dispense blandishments until the battle for popular opinion is all but settled. Freeberg’s reader languishes along with Debs, waiting for some definitive outcome.
When it finally arrives, the relief is palpable. Some readers may be moved, as I was, by the photograph of a black-suited Debs standing on the road outside the penitentiary. With his back to the camera and black hat raised high in his right hand, Debs acknowledges the ovation of his fellow inmates. For American radical history, this is Lou Gehrig’s farewell at Yankee Stadium. Debs wasn’t the victim of a bad break; he was the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
Debs served less than three years, but he returned to a different world. He had always mediated the tension between his party’s two major factions, the democratic Socialists and the communists, but the party splintered while he was serving his sentence. After his release in 1921, he sided with the democrats, whose numbers were dwindling, partly because many of the party’s causes — including women’s suffrage, food and drug laws, a minimum wage and a ban on child labor — had become mainstream issues.Moreover, Wilson’s war had squandered much of the nation’s idealism. As Freeberg notes, “The administration had lied about the causes and likely consequences of the war, big business had fattened itself while families sacrificed, and much of the patriotic fervor that gripped the country in the war years had only been froth churned by the government’s propaganda machine.” Fortunately, this would never happen again.
Soon after his release, Debs had seen enough of Lenin’s methods to deplore them. When he shared his concern with radical journalist Lincoln Steffens, he received a Rumsfeld-esque reply that “some things happen that we don’t expect.” Debs broke with the Bolsheviks, but despite strenuous efforts by Lucy Robins, he never healed the breach with Gompers before dying in 1926. Many of Debs’ comrades drifted off into other pursuits, including mainstream journalism, real estate sales and the development of solar greenhouses in Vermont. Ironically, Clyde Miller, an Ohio journalist and the man most responsible for Debs’ conviction, lobbied Harding to pardon him, helped found an institute for propaganda analysis and was later grilled by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
If history is what the present wants to know about the past, “Democracy’s Prisoner” is teeming with lessons. But above all, it’s the story of one extraordinary man’s showdown with the establishment — and how that confrontation turned into a complex political struggle whose outcome was up for grabs. Carefully researched and expertly told, Debs’ story also brings a fascinating era into sharp, vivid focus.
Peter Richardson is the author of “American Prophet: The Life and Work of Carey McWilliams.” His book on the history and influence of Ramparts magazine will be published next year.
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wvParticipantI’m in the heart of Greater-Appalachia.
According to the algebra, we are the
Unhappiest, Unhealthiest, most Paranoid
citizens of this great, red, white and blue,
Mega-Theo-Military-Industrial-Unsustainable-biosphere-killing-Corporotacracy-Thingy.w
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wvParticipantGeez, that was a great read.
Pregnant with interesting stuff.I passed it along to serveral humans.
I did not know this btw:
“We have a romantic view of the church. In Montgomery there are about 100 or so black churches – less than a dozen participated in the bus boycott. In Birmingham, there are upward of 500, and less than a dozen participated in the marches.”I must keep my eye on ole Rev Sekou.
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wvParticipantBut there’s too much here and too much nothing.
And I thought it was his worst novel to date.
The man needs to learn when to stop a novel and that every piece of research does not have to be wedged into a plot for pages on end.
Overall, disappointing.
I read Simmon’s “Fires of Eden” last week. Just wanted something
breezy. Junk-foody. It was pretty empty. Definitely the worst thing I’ve
read by Simmons.It was set in Hawaii and involved Giant talking pigs,
and a half-shark-half-man demigod, and a Volcano goddess, and
some Japanese billionaires who wanted to buy a resort and turn
it into a golf-utopia. Oh, and a ghost-hunting, naked, Mark Twain is one of the
main characters. Yes.w
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wvParticipantWinn brad’s birthday is a
spectacle.w
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wvParticipantI never really got the impression Bernie
was a St.Louis guy. Kinda seemed to me,
he left his heart in Baltimore.I always like it when he writes mathy
articles. Full of stats and algebra.
That’s Bernie at his best, imho.Bernie at his worst is the guy who…
well we all know the bad-bernie.w
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wvParticipant”If you ask me today why I sculpt – I’ll answer its because sculpting a person or feeling helps me understand them – and I can get the most true portrait of them by losing myself in squishing the clay. But tomorrow I’ll tell you that the truth is that i feel most alive when i’m sculpting. And the day after I’ll tell you that I sculpt because I love the connection that happens when people talk to me about one of the figures. So any words I give you today are only good for today…. and when I read them tomorrow I’ll probably cringe and go “wow, what a dork!””
Pat Lillich
I like that quote.
I tend to not like quotes about Art where a famous artists starts
a commanding statement with the words: “Art is…”As if art is only one thing, and the artist knows what that is.
Art is a lot of stuff. Always a lot of shit going with Art.w
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Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known.
Oscar WildeOnly through art can we emerge from ourselves and know what another person sees.
Marcel ProustArt is not a thing; it is a way.
Elbert HubbardArt is a harmony parallel with nature.
Paul CezanneAll art is autobiographical. The pearl is the oyster’s autobiography.
Federico FelliniWe have art in order not to die of the truth.
Friedrich Nietzsche
wvParticipantInteresting guy. Different than DV, certainly.
I think its interesting that he would run the ball like crazy one week
and then throw it like crazy the next:“… At New Hampshire, he might run the single-wing offense one game and the spread the next; to mix it up, one week the Wildcats attempted six passes, former New Hampshire quarterback Ryan Day says, and the next they threw it 65 times.
…and thought about ways to simplify a complex game. One way was abandoning long and nonsensical play calls; one season at New Hampshire, he nicknamed deep routes after long-distance phone companies: “AT&T” meant the pass was going to the A receiver, “Nextel” bound for the X.
He experimented with concepts and plays, took an interest in sports science, and refused to change. Aliotti once confronted Kelly about running practices too fast; the Ducks’ defensive staff had little opportunity to coach players and make adjustments. Kelly didn’t care. Now Aliotti admits Kelly’s attitude and increased tempo forced the defense to adjust, helping shape Oregon into one of the nation’s most feared all-around programs….”
wvParticipantMost of those seem about right,
to me.Seems to be a lot of antipathy
towards three of the NFC East
teams.w
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wvParticipantJuly 24, 2015 at 10:24 am in reply to: Earl Thomas unsure he’ll be ready for Week One…and other issues in Seattle #27520
wvParticipantWell, even if he plays, one would guess
that the great Earl Thomas wont be in tip-top
football shape because of the injury-rehab.w
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wvParticipantWhat does it mean to anyone?
I think it means
players win championships,
not graphs.w
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wvParticipant“The Corpse you dread so much,
is living with you right now.”
Milarepaw
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wvParticipantwe get a bargain on a solid QB who might be better AND we draft a decent bet for a developmental guy. That’s a superb bit of off season business.
P.S. Here’s a thought experiment. Imagine …
We don’t make the deal with Philly and we keep Sam.
We draft Mannion.
Sam comes to camp and it’s clear that his knee is dragging down his game, that he’ll never be the same player he was. No way will he be worth a contract extention. He ends up not even starting the year.
We run a stiff out there as we’ve done the last 2 years.
Half way through the season, we trot Mannion out there and he is only marginal.
Where would we be then?
Foles was superb business. And I want him signed to a mid-level contract before the season starts.
Well, the Foles/Bradford trade was a fascinating deal.
I have no idea how it will turn out (obviously, no-one does),
but I would have pulled the trigger on the trade.
I trust Foles knees more than Sam’s.w
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wvParticipantWho would you rather have on your team right now: Sean Mannion or RG3 ?
Just curious.
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wvParticipantBurn sage …
Imagine going through a third year in a row
with a clip-board-QB.I bet Fisher is tempted to run
the ball on every down 🙂w
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wvParticipantI don’t believe it but I won’t condemn him either. The NFL used the horrific hits to make money for the NFL. So did the players. Teams and players wanted to be on the highlights show each week giving a hard hit. This was throughout the league and has been forever. It is a much more exciting play, an as yet unnamed porn. But whenever a player makes a hit as a tackle the chance of injury is increased. To both players and players nearby. If player safety is a real concern within the league then tackling has to be made with the hands by tripping or wrapping up with the arms. No hits. No exceptions. But that will never happen.
Well its complicated aint it. We enjoy a brutal,
sport built on hard collisions. A great deal
of violence is simply built-in. And that violence
has an even more brutal ‘old school’ history
and tradition.But the rules have been changing. And there ‘are’
rules. And I think GW flouted the rules. He was
promoting ‘Deacon Jones rules’ in a ‘Kurt Warner League.’And so, now he knows better. I would hope.
…i would have more respect for him if he would just
be honest and say he was promoting an old-school approach
that had been expressly outlawed. He failed to adapt. But
he keeps weaseling out and kinda ducking his role in
the scandal. Imho.w
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wvParticipantI thot this was inter esting:
Greg Williams: On his coaching philosophies…
“I learned this from Buddy Ryan, and took it a long, long way, I put the game in the players’ hands and a lot of coaches, with their egos, are not going to let the players make specific calls in the game. And I can’t understand that. Players play the game. Coaches guess the game. Coaches are standing over there hoping that they can act like they are more important than what they are. What I learned from Buddy a long time ago is I that watched him take defenses and defensive play-callers and turn them into quarterbacks. James Laurinaitis is that person here. Rodney McLeod is that person here.”w
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wvParticipantI think Ogletree will make the pro bowl
this season.He played very well once he and GW got
on the same page, and i suspect he
will benefit greatly from the
emergence of The
DLine Of Doom.w
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wvParticipantOh, and as for this:
http://www.rams-news.com/rams-rookie-rb-todd-gurley-reacts-to-his-rating/Rams Rookie RB Todd Gurley Reacts To His Madden 2016 Rating –Video…I remember a time when the onliest game in town was
Electric Football. And back in the golden days of EF
there were no individual ratings. It was all about the TEAM.Theze kids today…
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wvParticipantGurley is a Cat person.
This changes everything.
http://www.rams-news.com/virtual-rookie-card-rams-rb-todd-gurley/w
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wvParticipantI just dont see how you can lose
Frank Gore and Justin Smith,
and be as good.w
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wvParticipantWell, i dunno about the “slavery vs states rights” thing.
I mean what was the “state right” that was at issue: Slavery and the
cluster of laws surrounding it.So, I just dont see how the “states rights” notion,
changes anything — you still get right back to
slavery.X: Its about states rights.
Y: Its about slavery
X: Slavery was involved but the core was states rights.
Y: What bundle of “states rights” was it about?
X: Slavery laws.
Y: So it was about Slavery.
X: No, States rights….w
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