Oh, and i am a sucker for old-timey-superstition songs. Weird, but true. I just love’em.

Sometimes i skim thru youtubes looking for the best version of, say, “I’ll fly away.” This…is not the best version. Still, the song is so damn good, it proves that ANYONE can sing this, and still cause some fun to be had:

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A different version…

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I am not the least bit shocked that you would say that. But I dont agree. I posted articles by an african american writer, who says exactly what i say about Identity politics.

If the house is burning down, there are priorities.

Now I am confused. I said you said something. Then figured I misread. You didn’t acknowledge me saying I misread, then seemed to say the thing I said was a mistake on my part to think you said. So again…lost and confused (??) That’s sincere, I am confused.

But to plow ahead anyway. You apparently have a priority issue. That’s fine. I say that just means we have to be upfront about where we;re coming from. So it’s not that there’s a truth and you see it, it’s that you have a priority issue among these issues. That’s you, that’s not “reality” speaking there. Same with anyone who differs.

I personally never endorse exclusionary choices on these things. I suppose THAT is my priority. I think it is always a mistake every single direction, no matter what gets excluded. Those who exclude the economic are making a mistake, those who exclude the issues of race, gender, and sexuality are equally making a mistake (I don;t call that stuff identity politics btw, at this point calling that stuff identity politics signals you have a particular stance on those issues…it’s not a neutral name for those issues)

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Well you have a longstanding habit of pointing out this:

“it’s not that there’s a truth and you see it, it’s that you have a priority issue among these issues. That’s you, that’s not “reality” speaking there. Same with anyone who differs.”

I dont know why you keep pointing that out. We ALLL agree on that. All the old core regulars, here. We know that. We agree on that. And we could ALLL write that in response to anyone elses post we disagree with. Or agree with.

So, no need to point out that ‘my view’ is not ‘the’ truth. Never said it was, never thought it was, etc, and so forth. (again, no heat here. Just yacking to an old lefty-friend)

So, back to my view. (i dont even call it ‘my truth’ just my view on this particular day. I might change my mind ten seconds from now) — to me there are hierarchies of importance. A speed-limit issue is not as important as a Biosphere-destruction issue. A football issue is not as important as a biosphere destruction issue. There’s always hierarchies imho. To ‘me’ Identity politics, while very important, is not as important as the link between Corporate power and the destruction of the biosphere.

The media loves identity politics. It does not love the issue of corporate-capitalism. That annoys me. So, i grouse about identity-politics and the attention it always gets from the mainstream media.

You see it differently. Lots of people do. No big deal to me. No ‘truth’ here.

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And what I am hoping for is a comparison of all 4 people’s policies. And btw Zooey has posted things that perfectly spell out some of those differences, which I commend him for. It’s a simple fact that we are better off economically with HC on the basis of tax policy alone, for example.

ADDED BY EDIT: I PROBABLY MISREAD HERE. SEE BELOW. AND stuff on women’s choice, race, sexuality…that’s only window dressing if you’re a white male. Don’t be shocked at me saying that…it’s true.

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I am not the least bit shocked that you would say that. But I dont agree. I posted articles by an african american writer, who says exactly what i say about Identity politics.

If the house is burning down, there are priorities. If the biosphere is being destroyed, there are priorities. I think plenty of african american women understand that — bell hooks is one.

Having said that, when i use the term ‘window-dressing’ i am just being a curmudgeon. I know full well that race and gender are important issues.
But nothing is as important as having a biosphere to live in, and argue about those other ‘important’ issues. Again, its not necessarily a white-male perspective. So, we disagree on that.

As far as policy discussions, i dont think anyone has dropped the ball. I just think we’ve ‘moved passed that’. We’ve discussed policies for so many years, i think we understand the big picture, and i dont think anyone is unaware of where Hillary, Bernie, mainstream-reps, and the usual suspects stand on the big policies. Trump, like i said, is a wild-card, and who the hell knows what kind of nightmare he would bring about. I just dont need to know the details on that. A nightmare is a nightmare.

Now, if you want policy threads, I’d suggest you just start one and see where it goes, rather than criticizing others for not being policy-oriented.
I’m not the least bit angry, btw. As far as I’m concerned we are just old friends here, giving each other a little shit. No heat coming from me. Just a wry smile.

Oh, and I think we should ban Pa Ram. Just as a policy. If you want a policy discussion about that, I think we’ll all join in.

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The Replicants are imploding and I…just…Love it.

It’s glorious.

Possibly the most glorious event since the Warner to Proehl pass.

“…Donald Trump doesn’t have any surrogates in the media speaking for him because elected Republicans are too busy running away from him. A perfect example of this was Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell bending over backward to distance himself from the Republican nominee when asked about Trump’s racist rant against Judge Curiel.
The fact that Trump was able to win the Republican nomination with a non-existent campaign operation speaks volumes about the weakness of the Republican Party. Republicans now find themselves in a situation where an organization that has lost 4 of the last six presidential elections and 5 of the last six presidential popular votes is being counted on to carry Trump’s campaign…”

GOP Rats Flee The Sinking Ship As Top Republicans Are Already Running Away From Trump

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Yes, our destruction of the biosphere continues unabated.

Everyone should really enjoy awesome creatures like the leatherback sea turtle while they can because we will likely be the last generation to see them.

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Do you ever just sit back and feel ‘awe’ and ‘wonder’ over the variety
of life-forms on this planet? I do. I mean, think of hummingbirds. And leatherback turtles. And mantis shrimps. And tapirs. Vampire Squids. Luna Moths. Ya know. There’s just a shitload of life-forms on this little dysfunctional planet.

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Trump is most closely following Pat Buchanan’s 2000 campaign and his earlier campaigns and the Reform Party campaigns of Perot.

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Well, not everyone agrees that Trump and Perot are similar:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/8/1512900/-Donald-Trump-Is-No-Ross-Perot

At any rate, why will Trump succeed when Perot
and Buchannon failed?

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The term itself annoys the hell out of me. Because it confuses people.
I only use it on this board. I never use it outside of this place.
Average-Joe and Average-Jane confuse the word with “liberal”. Which is confusing enuff.

The term I always use is “corporate capitalism”.

Based on my own experience talking to Joe and Jane, the word Corporate-Capitalism
leads to better conversations. Just my opinion.

I havent read the article yet, btw.

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Yes, which leads me to repost my favorite ‘law quote’ for the
gazillionth time. I never tire of reading
btw, what do you think is the core, fundamental, difference tween
right-thinkers and left-thinkers? What is the heart of the ‘difference’ ?

I think of this right / left thing sometimes when i see debates
about Fisher, btw. Sometimes i think the core difference tween righties and lefties has ‘something’ to do with how they view…’context’. I mean is ‘injuries’ an ‘excuse’ or do we look at the context…. I dunno. Just rambling…

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My all too brief and simplistic response to that is the right views the world through a ‘moral absolutist’ lense. Everything falls into a category of either right or wrong, true or false. There’s no gradation between the categories. It’s black or white, period. No room for more than one truth. Whereas a leftist’s views are more nuanced. They recognize an entire spectrum exists between black and white…one shade grading into the other and what shade you see is a matter of perspective. Of course as I said that’s overly simplistic and there is a lot more to it and there are exceptions yada, yada but to me that’s the gist of it.

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I dunno. I think there is something to that, but i dunno.

Sure seems like, above all else, they Blame the Poor.

I just wonder where that comes from.

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Those words don’t mean anything to me either.

Left and Right, Forward and Backward — those are
the words wv-brain can process.

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I only saw the highlights/lowlights at nfl.com. But goff looked impressive
to me. The INT wasn’t on him, and the zinger down the middle was a fine pass.
(the one that was dropped). Mainly though, i liked how he moved in the pocket,
and i liked his delivery. He didnt look out of his element at all. I was encouraged.

Hope he doesn’t get kilt.

And it was my first time seeing Spruce. Looked good against the dallas scrubs.
…Let the comparisons to every white NFL WR, begin.

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waterfield wrote:

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. ..

I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

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It dont matter what it means, since it aint gonna happen….There’s more than one way to organize work. Corporate-capitalism is just one way. There’s others. blah blah

Last game at Anaheim, must have been the Washington game, in 94. December 24. Rams went 4-12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

25,705 in attendance.

Rams lost 24 to 21. Ellard had 81 yards.

What did you think of the move to St.Louis back then? What were your thoughts.

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It was the Redskin game. Of the 25,000 plus there 24,000 were Redskin fans. That was the first game I saw Issac Bruce in person. He was not a starter that season. I recall vividly the last play of the Los Angeles Rams-I think. Chris Miller scrambling around and finally running out of bounds.

The move to St. Louis. Well initially I was devastated since I had worked on the Save the Rams Committee along with Steinberg, etc. But the attendance had really sucked and people were so down on the organization I eventually thought the move to any place would be good. And when I attended the first game I knew they had found a “home”. The streets were filled with all kinds of Ram signs and every restaurant we went into had lots of Ram stuff on the walls, etc. We went back a few times to the Edward Jones site and truly enjoyed St. Louis. A great city with lots of tremendous restaurants and on one trip the biggest blues festival I ever went to. So it was really fun to go to a game where by far most people there were rooting for the Rams Not so in Anaheim. Hopefully things will be different this time here.

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Well do you think Georgia intentionally sabotaged the team/roster
to pave the way for the move? Do you think thats an owners prerogative?

…they should show that last play of the Washington game
during pregame of the first game.

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What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

Not sure I know what a democratized workforce is either, but I have never worked in an environment where the boss makes rules that everyone is required to follow or get fired. A smart boss will ask for input from his/her employees because they are the ones doing the work, they know how it can be done better. Far too many bosses have never done the job of the people they supervise, yet they demand respect.

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In a nutshell, and avoiding pedantic columns of words, it just means…co-ops. Less hierarchy, more worker-control. There’s a gazillion experiments going on all over the globe testing such social-ideas.

http://www.alternet.org/richard-d-wolff-can-we-remake-our-workplaces-be-more-democratic

There’s no ‘one true definition’ of co-ops. Its like ‘anarchism’. No one final definition. Etc. And so forth.

Americans of course have been taught that corporate-hierarchical-workplaces are ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ and the one true holy way. Americans have ‘internalized’ that idea.

Well…there’s other ways. Each approach has pluses and minuses. Some ways might be more ‘efficient’ (the amerikan holy grail) and some ways might be
more….humane.

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