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wvParticipantAs of Dec 1.
NFC
1 Bears
2 Rams
3 Eagles
4 Bucs
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5 Seahawks
6 Packers
7 49ers
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On the bubble: Lions======
AFC
1 Denver
2 Pats
3 Jags
4 Ravens
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5 Chargers
6 Colts
7 Bills
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On the bubble: Texans===========
Rams have the 9th pick as of today.
wvParticipantI thought it would be close. Sigh. Every loss is huge at this point, given the importance of the bye and playing at home. Playing AT Chicago, Philly or Seattle is not a good idea.
I thought the Rams gave away the other two losses, but this one is different, to me. Carolina just wanted it more and it showed. And sure, if the Rams dont turn the ball over they still win, but Carolina outplayed them today, out hit them, had more energy. Not by much, but it was what it was.
9-3.
Bears 9-3, Packers 8-3-1, Eagles 8-4, 49ers 8-4, Seahawks, (8-3 pending)
Its like The Game of Thrones, this year.
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“And who are you, the proud Lord said
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that’s all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws.
And, mine are as long and sharp, my Lord
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that Lord of Castamere,
but now the rains weep o’er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes, now the rains weep o’er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Storm of SwordswvParticipantThe big trade – Stafford to the Rams. Goff and two no.1 picks and a 3rd rd pick to the Lions.
Lions ended up getting: Goff, RB Jamir Gibbs, and TE Sam Laporta and WR Jameson Williams.
The Lions did fine in that trade.
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vwvParticipantI had never heard this — Deacon taped a piece of metal in his hand, for his head-slaps.
wvParticipantDoug Farrar@NFL_DougFarrar
Here’s the thing about the Eagles’ offense.Nick Sirianni doesn’t want a lot of motion or condensed formations. The route concepts are more elementary than they were last season, but they weren’t advanced algebra in 2024, either.
The issues start fundamentally at the top. And this is a brain trust that doesn’t seem to like a lot of the things that make modern passing games… well, modern.
The question is, Why?
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vwvParticipantEspecially a Canadian Left Tackle.
Whatever happened to the idea of annexing Canada? And Greenland?
I thought that was a really good idea. All the Canadians I’ve met have been decent people, and I think they would like to be liberated so they can enjoy American freedoms, too.
Look, this thread is about undrafted FRANCHISE nations. Canada is a mid-round nation with a maple leaf as their symbol. A leaf.
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vwvParticipantBen Johnson.
wvParticipantThe Tom Brady diet.
wvParticipantThat even puts the Bears ahead of GB and Detroit in their division. They are competing with Seattle for the 2nd seed in the NFC.
Against the Eagles, Bears RB Kyle Monangai got 130 yards on 22 carries, and D’Andre Swift got 125 yards on 18 carries. Caleb Williams didn’t even complete 50% of his passes, but didn’t have to apparently.
Yeah, 280 yards on the ground against that Eagle front. 40 minutes time of possession vs. 20 minutes.
I thought the Eagles defense was the best in the NFC before that game. But they were just mauled.
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vwvParticipantVery surprised by the Bears win over Philly. I really thought Chicago was the weakest of the playoff contenders. I guess they are for real.
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vwvParticipantFinding a solid LT as an UDFA was remarkable. Especially a Canadian Left Tackle.
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As of November 28, 2025, two NFL teams have a starting left tackle who entered the league as an undrafted free agentLos Angeles Rams
Player: Alaric Jackson
Details: Jackson was an undrafted free agent signing for the Rams in 2021. He secured a contract extension in February 2025 and is the team’s starting left tackle.Washington Commanders
Player: Cornelius Lucas
Details: Lucas was originally signed by Washington as an undrafted free agent. He is currently the Commanders’ starting left tackle.wvParticipantI thought Karty would be a fixture in LA for the next five years.
Strange case. I wonder what happened to him ?
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vwvParticipantCarolina RB Rico Dowdle.
When he carries the ball 10 or more times: Panthers are 6-1
When he carries the ball less than 10 times: 0-5w
vwvParticipantLions getting some help.
“..As vaguely indicated by the Lions’ social media accounts and confirmed by NFL insider Ian Rapoport, former All-Pro center Frank Ragnow is shockingly unretiring to come back and play for Detroit. Ragnow, 29, was drafted by the Lions and spent seven excellent seasons leading what would turn into a dominant offensive line. He was widely recognized as one of the best centers in the league throughout his career and earned three second-team All-Pro nods in recognition of that.”
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vwvParticipantAmong other things, Washington this year ranks 27th in pressure percentage. Rams rank 10th. That could be a huge difference too.
Forbe’s comp in this vid — Coby Durant.
wvParticipantAs of Nov 26.
NFC
1 Rams (Bye)
2 Philly vs (7) 49ers.
3 Bears vs (6) Packers
5 Seattle vs (4) Tampa
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1 Pats (bye)
2 Denver vs 7 Bills
3 Colts vs 6 Jags
4 Ravens vs 5 Chargers———–
Rams have the 11th pick as of today
wvParticipantI’ve been reading around, trying to understand why Washington gave up on Forbes, a first round pick. I mean, they gave up on him pretty fast. Basically, it looks like the new Wash coach Dan Quinn didnt draft him and didnt think he fit the new system. Quinn also got rid of three other high picks from the previous regime.
—“ESPN writer Bill Barnwell listed the Commanders drafting cornerback Emmanuel Forbes with the No. 16 overall pick in last year’s NFL Draft as the team’s biggest mistake this decade.”
—“Former Commanders First Round Pick Breaks Silence After Shocking Release…For Forbes and the Commanders, the backlash began with questions about his size — 6-foot-1 and 166 pounds — and what might happen when he faced NFL competition.
The answers to that came quick and fast during his rookie season, which encompassed Forbes being benched several times and an embarrassing, Week 4 outing in which Philadelphia Eagles star A.J. Brown torched Forbes for 9 receptions, 175 yards and 2 touchdowns…According to PFF, Forbes graded out at 50.9% for his rookie season. He was also the worst cornerback in the NFL against the run with a 28.9% grade..”
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“..Curl, a team source said, was particularly vocal in his assessment of Forbes. Position coaches leaned on Curl’s analysis and endorsement when speaking with the pro scouting department about whether to make the claim. Curl also picked Forbes up en route to his first practice on Wednesday..”
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Washington CommandersForbes was selected by the Washington Commanders in the first round (16th overall) of the 2023 NFL draft.[12] His slim weight is a common point of discussion, with him being the only cornerback drafted since 2000 to weigh under 170 pounds at the NFL Combine.[14][20][21] He signed a fully guaranteed four-year $15.4 million contract on July 22, 2023.[22][23]
Forbes recorded his first career interception in his second game, a 35–33 win over the Denver Broncos.[24] In the week 4 loss against the Philadelphia Eagles, he was criticized for his performance covering wide receiver A. J. Brown.[25] The following week, he was benched after multiple blown coverages against Chicago Bears wide receiver D. J. Moore.[26][27] In the first quarter of the week 10 game, Forbes was ejected after a helmet-to-helmet hit against Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Tyler Lockett.[28] The NFL fined him for $15,563 for his week 10 ejection.[29]
Following the opening game of the 2024 season, Forbes underwent surgery to repair a torn ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) in his right thumb.[30] In the week 6 win over the Carolina Panthers, he recorded his second career interception against quarterback Andy Dalton.[31] Forbes was waived by the team on November 30, 2024.[32]
wvParticipant10.5 point favorites?? Without Higby and Havenstein? They beat the Packers and Cowboys.
The spread makes no sense to me. But i said that about Tampa too, so I must not know how good the Rams are.
The Rams havent been ten point favorites since 2017.
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vwvParticipantWV, I don’t think Fitzpatrick should get credit for his no-look pass on that vid, but those other no look passes were very cool….
I think Mahomes kind of made it a bit more common as he did it more frequently than Rodgers and Stafford, Kyler Murray also did it …….. no look passes have probably been around for years…
Mahomes, is like the Magic Johnson of the NFL… players in the NBA did no look passes prior to Magic, but he did it much more frequently… Also, today’s TV technology captures these passes much more than they did in the past…
Good stuff…
The Fitzpatrick one is hilarious.
I think the NBA might very well be where the no-look stuff started.
wvParticipantNFL sack record (Watt and Strahan) is 22.5.
Myles Garrett has 18. With six games left.
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vwvParticipantDid Kurt ever do no-look passes? I dont remember him doing that. I know Roman didnt. Everett didnt.
I wonder what the history of the ‘no-look pass’ is. How long has it been around? Who perfected it?
I keep waiting for it to back=fire with Stafford. I wonder if it ever has.
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Best No-Look Passes in NFL History
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vwvParticipantRAMZILLA@elitster
Week 12NFC West 28-17 62.2%
NFC South 18-27 40.0%
NFC North 26-17-1 60.2%
NFC East 18-26-1 41.1%When i started following the Rams in late 68, the ‘Coastal Division’ which was formed in 1967, was: Baltimore Colts, Rams, Falcons, 49ers.
In 1970 after the merger, it was renamed Western Division and re-aligned, and the Saints replaced the Colts.
In 1976 the Seahawks spent one year in the Western Division.
In 1995 the Rams moved to St.Louis but stayed in the division and the Carolina Panthers joined the Western Division.
In 2002, the West was changed again and the Panthers, Falcons and Saints left and the West became Rams, 49ers, Cards, Seahawks.
I think this year is probably the strongest the division has ever been, top to bottom. I remember two teams being really strong before, but not three.
There was a time, long ago, when Baltimore vs LA was a big rivalry. Unitas and the Colts were always Super Bowl contenders.
How many people remember the intensity of the New Orleans vs Rams rivalry that existed during the Haslett days?
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vNovember 24, 2025 at 8:21 pm in reply to: The Stafford thread…update 12/31: huge S.I. article #159632wvParticipantIn case you want to see Stafford’s last INT. Its at about the 15 second mark of this vid.
…Los Angeles Rams vs Philadelphia Eagles Game Highlights | 2025 NFL Season Week 3
wvParticipantEagles got some bad news.
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Philadelphia Eagles rookie safety Andrew Mukuba suffered a fractured ankle late during the team’s loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday night, according to multiple reports.The injury is said to require surgery and it’s possible his season is over.
This development is really bad news. Mukuba, the Eagles’ second-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, has shown promise this season. They really needed him to stay healthy, especially with Reed Blankenship also getting banged up in Week 12.
The Eagles currently have one healthy safety on the active roster: Sydney Brown, who’s struggled when he’s had to play defense.
wvParticipant“I feel like we’ve definitely made a strong statement,” Verse said, “that we’re one of the best in the league. If not the best.”
I’d have preferred it, if Verse had said, ‘We havent proved anything yet. Nothing. Gotta Go To Work’
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vNovember 24, 2025 at 11:46 am in reply to: The Stafford thread…update 12/31: huge S.I. article #159601wvParticipantAs of week 12. MVP race.
Stafford:
QB rating 113.7
TDs/INT: 30 / 2
Comp.Percent: 66.5
Yards: 2830Drake Maye:
QB rating: 110.6
TD/INT 21/6
Comp.perc: 71
Yards: 3130Jonathan Taylor: 1197 yards rushing. 15 TDs. 268 yds receiving.
Jaxon Smith Njigba : 80 catches, 1313 yds, 7 TDs
wvParticipantBut I stand by it. 😎
Oh yeah, i heard it. I had a few micro-seconds of defensiveness in my brain on that one.
Nate Tice is the son of Mike Tice, btw. Head coach of the Vikes for a few years.
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vNovember 24, 2025 at 9:15 am in reply to: The Stafford thread…update 12/31: huge S.I. article #159592wvParticipantJust a reminder of what Stafford had in Detroit. (because i hear a lot of talking-heads say, ‘he had Calvin Johnson…blah blah)
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Matthew Stafford Has Only Had Seven 100-Yard Rushers In His Lions’ CareerDecember 6, 2017 / 3:36 PM EST / CBS Detroit
By: Evan Jankens
@kingofthekcBy now you are well aware that the Detroit Lions haven’t had a 100-yard rusher in 65 straight games.
That led me to do a little research to see how many 100-yard games Matthew Stafford has been a part of since joining the Lions in 2009.
Stafford has played in 124 career games and has only had a 100-yard rusher seven times. He is 6-1 in those games, according to Profootballreference.com.
The list:
9-27-09 Kevin Smith – 101 yards – WIN 19-14 over Washington
10-10-11 Jahvid Best – 163 yards – WIN 24-13 over Chicago
11-20-11 Kevin Smith – 140 yards – WIN 49-35 over Carolina
9-23-12 Mikel Leshoure – 100 yards – LOSS 44-41 to Tennessee
9-29-13 Reggie Bush – 139 yards – WIN 40-32 over Chicago
11-10-13 Reggie Bush – 105 yards – WIN 21-19 over Chicago
11-28-13 Reggie Bush – 117 yards – WIN 40-10 over Green BayWhat’s even more alarming is that not one of those games came on Jim Caldwell’s watch. Now that you have seen the stats, what do the Lions need to do to get that elusive 100-yard game?
wvParticipantDavante Adams leads NFL in TD receptions with 12.
Puka in a 3-way tie with lead in total receptions: 80 (tied with JSN, and Trey Mcbride)w
vwvParticipantNate Tice noticed the Rams quick snap count on third down:
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