#marchforscience #March4Sociology best protest sign ever??? pic.twitter.com/myQr1H7EpV

— Steve G. Hoffman (@namffoh_evets) April 22, 2017

• This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by zn.

“It takes an army to get this thing right.”

“Support the Rams”

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PA Ram wrote:

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Now despite everything i just said, as humans we still have to live out our lives. So whether we are on the titanic or not, we still have to ‘do’ and ‘act’ — so, i still think we should “do what we can.” I’m not saying we are doomed so sit on your ass and watch tv. I’m saying we are doomed, make your own choice, but as for me, I’ll still “do what i can” because…i choose to. I mean Waterfield likes Viktor Frankl if i recall. Its a V.Frankl thing — even if you are in Auschwitz you can choose to “do what you can”.

Yes, I’ll still vote.

I’ll probably continue to be ignored by some people from time to time for pointing out political things. But I’m trying to become less invested emotionally in the whole thing. I’m trying to become more like a scientist examining an interesting bug. “That is a very deadly bug. But look how odd it flies. Hmmmm.”

I just can’t see the point of carrying the stress of it all when it seems beyond my ability to change the situation. I’ve cut back on some of the politics for my own sanity. I’m watching more movies, practicing more with sleight of hand, and just getting through life as best I can. I have spent so much energy over the years arguing with the Sally’s of the world and found that in the end I only got frustrated. I just kind of give up in a lot of ways.

I get the sense that this whole human experiment is winding down.

I might as well enjoy the ride.

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I can totally relate to that, my friend.

A sense of humor helps, dont it.

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Yeah, right. Next you’ll be telling us pro Wrastling is fake.

I know exactly what Alex’s fans will think — he wont lose a single listener. They’ll think its fake news or a false-flag or somethin.

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I’m sorry but that is just laughable imho. Asaad doesnt seem nearly that stupid to me.

UN personnel already tested victims. Gas was used. Which is why the Russians don’t deny it.

Assad has done it before and publicly made an agreement to cease manufacturing it. Apparently he went back on it. He actually uses chlorine gas regularly.

And I am doing my best to post international, non-USA gov’t sources on this. No one here (and probably not that many people in the world in general) knows more about Assad than Juan Cole, who is a longstanding standing middle east scholar who has long been on the shit lists of various american administrations for undermining their public takes on things. No one knows Assad better, and he is using middle eastern sources to point to the attack being the Syrians.

Assad is Hussein. There is nothing about him worth defending or admiring.

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Who has said there is anything worth admiring about Asaad??!
Find someone who said ‘that’ ? Heck back in the day, Asaad was cooperating with the american terrorist group (CIA) for rendition, etc.

And Juan Cole may be an ‘expert’ but he doesnt have any proof Asaad did this. Zero proof. Someone used some kind of gas. But we dont know who.

And citing pro-American sites that dont know who used the gas — does not prove who used the gas.

AND, there’s nothing worth admiring or defending about the CIA.

Well, BT, you dont have to post about politix but that doesnt get you off the hook as far as posting on the board. So, you’ll have to post on some other topic. Like Knitting. Or maybe cats. Its up to you.

I’m thinking about just posting on peanut butter, myself.

As far as being burned out, itz purty common among leftists. I’m not burned out, but i am…oh…monotonous. I mean, my inner dialogue is just so monotonous now. There’s a gazillion examples of the same basic blueprint that keep replaying over and over like groundhog day.
The elites oppress the bewildered herds, and the elite-owned-media propagandizes and distracts. That dynamic just plays out over and over and over. Its monotonous once you have the big picture figured out.

I really ‘dont need’ to ‘keep up’ with the news. It never really changes.

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I aint even reading that.

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Billy_T wrote:

Who knows who did it?

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I share that point of view. If this was a ‘crime’ in a criminal court, I’d say no-one has proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

I’m still in the fact-gathering stage though. Just beginning the fact gathering actually. Scratching the surface. I’m in no hurry.

But as of now, I am totally skeptical of the white house point of view. (and every other theory — the russian theory too) I’m skeptical of the WHPV because it makes ZERO sense to me that Assad would have any motivation at all to do this. I mean Trump had JUST said for the first time he was NOT interested in regime change. The whole world is watching Syria. Asaad was winning. Why fuck all that up ? Makes zero sense. And asaad is a very smart guy.

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• This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by wv.
• This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by wv.

Another Russian propagandist: Seymour Hersh 🙂

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

“…Why did Obama delay and then relent on Syria when he was not shy about rushing into Libya? The answer lies in a clash between those in the administration who were committed to enforcing the red line, and military leaders who thought that going to war was both unjustified and potentially disastrous.

Obama’s change of mind had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the j..”oint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syria’s infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack.

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Cole said: “The use of chemical weapons by the Syrian Army in Idlib is an atrocity..”

But that has not been proven. Where is the clear and convincing evidence that the Syrian Army used chemical weapons?

The Russians and Assad say they didnt do it. The US says Assad did it. Where’s the proof?

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No, it;s the Russians that deny it. “Has not been proven” is the Russian line. I actually published within all that a local independent middle eastern news source that accepts the line that it was syria. I’ve been insisting on this point: take views from those who are echoing the Russians on this, and it’s no help…it actually just muddies things.

Cole is without equal the leading american commentator on the region. I would take his view over anyone who is just parroting the Russians—any day.

Cole was a godsend of neutral deep commentary and reporting when I was looking at sources on the run up to the iraq war.

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Nah. I strongly disagree. There’s all kinds of people out there saying it hasn’t been proven. Glenn Greenwald, lots of others. Its not been proven. You are simply wrong on this. You are accepting the Western mantra as proof.

For example the guy that wrote that article in the second link doesnt even LIKE Asaad. Anyway, i cant do much posting for a coupla days. No time. We can get into it later and i will dance circles around you logically.

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Cole said: “The use of chemical weapons by the Syrian Army in Idlib is an atrocity..”

But that has not been proven. Where is the clear and convincing evidence that the Syrian Army used chemical weapons?

The Russians and Assad say they didnt do it. The US says Assad did it. Where’s the proof?

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Well, i prettymuch like all the boards.

I just dont like posters.

Posters ruin boards.

Thats why i hate the internet. Its full of posters.

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nittany ram wrote:

Coal jobs aren’t coming back. The coal industry has seen to that all by itself when it started automating everything. All Trump is doing is allowing them to maximize profits while screwing us out of clean water.

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Well if you want clean water, go buy it in the store like the rest of us.
I buy that Icelandic water that comes in the cool plastic bottle.

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