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wvParticipant“But while we keep looking for his hidden agenda, it’s our growing addiction to the spectacle of his car-wreck presidency that is the real threat. He is already making idiots and accomplices of us all, bringing out the worst in each of us, making us dumber just by watching. Even if Trump never learns to govern, after four years of this we will forget what civilization ever looked like – and it will be programming, not policy, that will have changed the world.”
That is a scary conclusion, and one I can’t disagree with.
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Yeah, its a nightmare. But Trump is just a character in the nightmare story.
The Nightmare itself is the system that spawned him, his Republican buddies, all those NeoLibs and DNC types, the Corporations, the Lobbies, the ‘education’ systems, the media, and the propogandized-ignorant-voters.Wonder who will be the next president of this nightmare?
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wvParticipantApril 13, 2017 at 10:33 pm in reply to: Trump allows coal plants to dump arsenic and mercury into the waterways #67380
wvParticipantDo you ever feel like you are getting PTSD just
from reading the headlines these days.w
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wvParticipantScott Ritter: Dereliction of Duty
link:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/dereliction_of_duty_redux_20170412“….Such an investigation will never take place, for several reasons. First, the U.S. has zero intelligence that would sustain its allegation that Syria mounted an attack on Khan Shaykhun using sarin nerve agent from the Shayrat airfield. The American Fourth Estate should be demanding that the Trump administration back up its claims with something substantive, including annotated imagery showing where in Shayrat the sarin was stored, mixed and loaded into munitions—which should be very easy to do, since these areas were specifically designated not to be targeted in the first place.
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But this is an image that does not exist, and indeed cannot exist, since the U.S. intelligence community has absolutely no information about any such activity at Shayrat. This reality not only exposes the Trump administration’s case against Syria as an absolute lie. It also exonerates Russia from the Trump administration’s charge that Moscow was complicit in the attack, given the presence of Russian personnel at Shayrat at the time….”
wvParticipantThe ‘stupid to evil’ spectrum. I like it. Reminds me of the Rams offense, for some reason.
“….One reporter tasked with covering the appointments says the staffing issue comes down to the same question we always have about Trump: Is this a scheme to destroy government, or cluelessness? “It’s just so hard to tell,” he says, “where this falls on the stupid-to-evil spectrum.”
wvParticipantThis is one thing thats different about Trump. He just doesnt CARE about a lot of important stuff. And he does care about a lot of personal-ridiculous stuff.
“…Just a month or so into Trump’s administration, one of the central promises of his campaign – the killing off of the Affordable Care Act – is in trouble. Trump’s inability to hold coalitions together, or really do much of anything beyond generate TV ratings, is already showing. But just as it was last year when the punditocracy told him he’d made himself unelectable, Trump’s ace in the hole may be that he doesn’t care. His history is that when the playing field doesn’t work for him, he moves it. The Framers may have designed the government to withstand bouts of popular madness, but there are no checks and balances against the power of celebrity. A president who is both a tyrant and disinterested in governance would have blown their minds.
wvParticipantI think this is an important, albeit obvious point:
“Trump has made being the voice of reason politically dangerous.”
What does that say about America’s voters ?
And how did ‘we’ become so ignorant.
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wvParticipantThe man is brilliant. Reading his prose is a skip through butterflies in field of daisies.
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“….president like Trump can have an impact even if he never manages to get a single law passed, simply by unleashing stupidity as a revolutionary force
wvParticipantLoL, omg, Taibbi is good. I could post a dozen of these:
“…DeVos arrives dressed in a blazer of bright purple. (Historians will note this is the same color of the robes worn by Incitatus, the horse Caligula used to troll the Senate.) Over the next three and a half hours, she will prove to be the worst witness since William Jennings Bryan sent himself to the stand in the Scopes Monkey Trial.
wvParticipant“….The early response of the Democratic leadership to Trump’s picks was a shocking strategy of partial accommodation and “picking their battles.”
“I call it the law of conservation of no’s,” says Jeff Hauser of the Revolving Door Project, which monitors federal appointments. “The Democrats felt they could only say no to Trump so many times, that they had to hoard their political capital for one or two battles.”
wvParticipant“for Trump and his inner circle to name Perry to any Cabinet post at all felt like trolling, like a football team wrapping the mascot in packing tape and mailing him to Canada. But to send someone you’re on record calling an idiot to run the nation’s nuclear arsenal, that doesn’t fit easily in any bucket: mischief, evil, incompetence – it’s even a little extreme for nihilism.
Trump’s lead adviser, the fast-talking Breitbart Svengali Steve Bannon, would ultimately explain the thinking behind Trump’s appointments in front of the CPAC audience. “If you look at these Cabinet appointees, they were selected for a reason,” he said. The mysterious figure described that reason as the “deconstruction of the administrative state.”…..
April 11, 2017 at 10:36 pm in reply to: Football Outsiders says Rams were healthiest team in 2016 #67302
wvParticipantPlease.
There are reasons why Hitler became a murderous despot that were outside of his control too.
Yet neither deserve our pity nor our forgiveness.
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Whoa now. Lets not go equating Zooey to Hitler.
Hitler never betrayed his own fanbase and turned into a 49er fan.
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wvParticipantapparently this dr. dao is quite the feller.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/11/david-dao-doctor-dragged-off-united-flight-was-con/
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Well the Times can dredge up all the mud they want, but the Doc
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wvParticipantmedia coverage of Syria strike
Jeremy Scahill appeared on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” on Sunday and skewered the media’s “atrocious” coverage of the Syria missile attack. The founding editor of The Intercept called out journalist Fareed Zakaria in particular.
“You know, Fareed Zakaria—if that guy could have sex with this cruise missile attack, I think he would do it,” Scahill said.
During the interview with “Reliable Sources” host Brian Stelter, Scahill added that CNN “needs to immediately withdraw all retired generals and colonels from its airwaves” because many of them may profit “in the private sector from these wars.”
link:http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/jeremy_scahill_slams_atrocious_media_coverage_of_syria_20170410
wvParticipantI think he should have to pay for the damage he did
by beligerently smashing his face into the armrest.w
vApril 11, 2017 at 3:13 pm in reply to: Football Outsiders says Rams were healthiest team in 2016 #67284
wvParticipantLast year was a complete Offensive Cluster-Fuck.
Oline was abysmal.
Gurley was out to lunch.
A rookie-confused-Air-Raid-QB.
Mediocre weapons, TE’s, WRs.
And apparently a junior high offensive scheme, coaching.But they were healthy.
Theres REASONS that zooey became a 49er fan.
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wvParticipantThis is the question that has been nagging me.
Why would Assad do this? And if he was going to do it, wouldn’t he have done a better job of it? I mean…despite the horrific results, it was a pretty crappy job, affecting a relatively small number of people by war standards, and targeting people whose death is to nobody’s benefit. The cost/benefit of this just doesn’t add up to me unless it is a PR move, and as a PR move, it isn’t Assad who benefits from it.
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Yeah, that question is being asked all over the world.Makes zero sense that Assad would do what Trump is saying he did.
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One man’s analysis:http://thesaker.is/a-multi-level-analysis-of-the-us-cruise-missile-attack-on-syria-and-its-consequences/The latest US cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase is an extremely important event in so many ways that it is important to examine it in some detail. I will try to do this today with the hope to be able to shed some light on a rather bizarre attack which will nevertheless have profound consequences. But first, let’s begin by looking at what actually happened.
The pretext:
I don’t think that anybody seriously believes that Assad or anybody else in the Syrian government really ordered a chemical weapons attack on anybody. To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical: first, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat. Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true). Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have. He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras. Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support. And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack. Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV. For the rest of us, there are three options:
a classical US-executed false flag
a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,
the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.What is evident is that…see link
wvParticipantI am skeptical that GRob can play RT at a high level.
I’m concerned he’s gonna get Goff killed at some point.
Why not keep Hav at RT and put GRob at guard?
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wvParticipantThe Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
There is good reason to believe that story is bs.
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It would not surprise me if it were BS. Would not surprise me if it were true.I’m still in the info gathering stage. Or at least trying to gather info.
Whats the biggest reason to think its BS?
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wvParticipantAnother ex-cia guy talks:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=YNtsQmwas5k
Its a bit ‘out there’ though. Fwiw
wvParticipantlink:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V1phifx2L-KnDF_KmjNVM20XNfuDUTgtDaVnY5t99G0/edit#gid=0
Top 20 papers — only one opposed the trump strikes on syria
wvParticipantTrump now having trouble with his Alt-righters
link:http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/07/why_the_alt_right_hates_trump_s_syria_strike.html
“…Richard Spencer, whose support for Trump has dimmed as Trump’s stances on immigration have, according to Spencer’s harsh measure, softened, issued what is perhaps his most forceful rebuke of the president so far in a video titled “The Trump Betrayal.” “I have to be brutally honest,” he said. “I am deeply disappointed in Donald Trump. I’m shocked, and I’m angry. And I am ready to condemn Donald Trump.” He was far from alone. “The #AltRight is now totally independent of Trump, and this anti-West, pro-terrorist foreign policy,” the white nationalist publication VDare tweeted. “Organize, organize, organize.” “So Trump’s first forceful action as President was supposedly to defend the same people that mow down white children with trucks,” the Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch wrote disgustedly…..”
wvParticipantThe hopelessness and hideous trajectory of things iz making a lot of leftists
even more difficult than usualWe may differ on that.
I don’t things are any worse than usual.
I just think some have talked themselves into that view.
This is from an honest place in me, and I am not trying to one-up or be holier or any of that. It’s just something I sense. I maybe don’t know how to put it well.
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Well I’d say you are dead wrong. 🙂The science sez, the air is getting worse, the water is getting worse, the fracking is getting worse, the climate is getting worse, etc.
I ‘do’ hope you are right, though.
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link:https://www.rt.com/op-edge/384123-trump-media-establishment-war/How Trump went from zero to hero for the pro-war Establishment
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…Meanwhile, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out in his excellent Intercept column, we saw once again this week how the corporate media in The Land of The Free “instantly converts into state media” once the missiles start flying.All the ’liberal’ outlets and media commentators in the US that had been attacking Trump 24-7, suddenly changed their tune. We now have a War President who must be supported! Anti-Trump voices must be silenced!
“People who dissent from this bombing campaign – who opposed it on the merits – were almost entirely disappeared,” notes Greenwald…
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….Even neocon Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and probably Trump’s most consistent US media critic has done an 180 degree turn- coming out to declare his support for Trump on Twitter.
And in another Tweet, Kristol was honest enough to reveal what the ultimate ‘prize’ of the US toppling Assad really is: regime change in Iran.While Trump’s stock (like the share price of Raytheon, the manufacturer of Tomahawk missiles) has risen with the endless war lobby, that of the 44th President has fallen. Obama has been attacked for not enforcing his ‘red line’ on chemical weapons use in Syria in 2013, and for his rapprochement with Syria’s ally Iran….see link
wvParticipantwell i dont disagree with any of that.
There are things that are annoying about this round of left resistance.
You feel it, I feel it, just about different things.
When we were trying to reason our way through the iraq war, there was more spontaneous unity. I mean everywhere.
So I guess I is just this old nostalgic S.O.B.
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Well, i think the corporotacracy has just gotten worse and worse.
I never used to see the term “deep state” back in the Iraq War days. Now there’s a sense among a lot of leftists that the CIA/NSA/Defense-Corpse/Congress/President/Mega-Corpse are…i cant even think of a metaphor or image…..like a dinosaur-sized flaming planet-eating giraffe.
The hopelessness and hideous trajectory of things iz making a lot of leftists
even more difficult than usual. I’m burned out myself. Even though i post almost nothing but political shit, i mainly enjoy the Sciency, quirky stuff i see on the board. The Pol stuff is too hideous for words.w
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wvParticipantWhy criticize the march? Well, in the video the woman critiquing the march is Medea Benjamin a co-founder of Code Pink. She was asked by the interviewer “why has it been so hard to build an anti-war movement…at the womens march in Washington our wars abroad werent even mentioned…?”
And Medea sez “…no, they didnt even mention it in the platform, and we called them, we tried, and we couldnt even get that in the platform of the women’s march. Its just extraordinary….they said it was controversial.”
The vid is about FIXING fissures in the left-movements.
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vWell be prepared for a very different view. What you quote there? I don’t are about it. A united front does not mean universal doctrinarire conformity. It means lots of things happen in conjunction, representing different views and interests. To me the only viable stance is to support all of them. Even when it appears, in the short term, that they clash. In the course of the process being a process, different parts of it evolve, change, interact, intersect. But only if there’s a process.
We had this conversation before. I know uncountable bunches of people who went to Washington and none of them, to a person, meets the cliched description of this limit-think in-group.
This is my view. If people can’t persuade beyond their own base, let them keep trying. Sooner or later intersections happen…unless certain types withdraw into the stance of being purists. Then THEY become the problem, IMO. And I personally end up just ignoring them.
On the other hand it’s true that criticism is part of the process too. But only if we begin with the assumption that not one single faction or group is beyond criticism, and that includes Ms. Medea, and also if we accept that criticism should be optimistic and constructive, not this conformity test.
BTW my sense of things is that there is more anti-USA foreign police action sentiment today than there was in the 80s during Nicaragua and El Salvador. In fact right now, predictably, Trump is upping the ante with troops on the ground, including troops deployed in Yemen and Iraq and Syria. That is leaving aside the ineffectual cruise missle attack from the other day.
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well i dont disagree with any of that.I have a world of respect for Medea after listening to her, btw.
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wvParticipantDemocrats have ignored every obvious lesson from the past 12 months, and doubled down on a losing strategy. They’ve decided the problem wasn’t the message, but how they got victimized by chauvinism and Comey.
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If it weren’t for 75 year-old Bernie Sanders, would there be any hope at all for
the Democrat Party?Has Elizabeth Warren been doing ‘anything’ lately? I havent heard anything about her.
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wvParticipantThis is when Maher is at his best…when he’s ripping on the GOP for, well, being the GOP – or the democrats for being spineless or for being complicit in the GOP’s douchebaggery.
Where he and I part ways is when he starts discussing feminism, Islam, political correctness, etc…
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