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wvParticipantI thought that one was extraordinarily good.
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Yeah, itz kinda what public-defender-types do. That ‘moving backwards in time’ thing. Context.
Whereas prosecutor-types tend to just look at the behavior from a few seconds prior to the incident. A snapshot.
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vwvParticipantWell he didnt say how we know there is such a thing as anti-matter. If we dont see any in the universe why do we believe there is such a thing?
Also, if there are anti-rams-fans, then why dont they just explode and be done with it?
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vJuly 28, 2018 at 5:36 pm in reply to: Leaked Emails Show Republicans, Big Business Colluded to Gerrymander Michigan Di #88644wvParticipantYes. See to me, that is part of the ‘big story’ on US ‘elections’.
Russian interference? Sure. A story? Sure. But the BIG-HUGE-GIGANTIC story is not russian interference. The big story is simply what ‘elections’ are in a Corporotacracy.
And weve talked about ‘that’ story on this board since 1998. All the various factors and levels of factors that go into dumming-down the public, distracting the public, making sure big-money determines outcomes, creating a media that protects the system at all costs, etc, etc, etc.
The gerrymandering thing is part of the BIG-story, I’d say. A small part of the BIG-STORY.
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vTo me gerrymandering IS the big story. If it did not exist the Freedom Caucus and the republicans would not control congress and that IS big !
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Fair enough. I’ll go along with that. Its a big story.
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Andrew Greeley (Chicago Sun-Times, February 18, 2001):
“It should be no surprise that when rich men take control of the government, they pass laws that are favorable to themselves. The surprise is that those who are not rich vote for such people, even though they should know from bitter experience that the rich will continue to rip off the rest of us. Perhaps the reason is that rich men are very clever at covering up what they do.”wvParticipantFloating plastic. I dunno.
Inspired by organic bird murmurations. Plastic. In the air.
I think i wanna go on record as not liking it.
I blame the corporotacracy.
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vJuly 27, 2018 at 11:36 am in reply to: Leaked Emails Show Republicans, Big Business Colluded to Gerrymander Michigan Di #88587wvParticipantYes. See to me, that is part of the ‘big story’ on US ‘elections’.
Russian interference? Sure. A story? Sure. But the BIG-HUGE-GIGANTIC story is not russian interference. The big story is simply what ‘elections’ are in a Corporotacracy.
And weve talked about ‘that’ story on this board since 1998. All the various factors and levels of factors that go into dumming-down the public, distracting the public, making sure big-money determines outcomes, creating a media that protects the system at all costs, etc, etc, etc.
The gerrymandering thing is part of the BIG-story, I’d say. A small part of the BIG-STORY.
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vwvParticipant“n West Virginia, the leader of that state’s teacher strike, Richard Ojeda, is waging a strong campaign to take an open House seat long held by Republicans. Ojeda, a Democratic state senator who voted for Trump himself, is running as an out and out progressive populist…”
This is brilliant. Politically brilliant. Its by far, the single best approach i have ever read, to the abortion issue in a red-state like WV.
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vIt’s the only possible approach, and it seems to be a good one. Besides which…it’s about time America was given the lens of Class Consciousness to perceive the world. Might help with a lot of things.
I remember the name Ojeda. He pronounces his last name in an Anglicized way, right? Oh-jay-da instead of Oh-hay-da.
I want the GOP wiped out, btw. I want that party permanently crippled. Democrats would serve nicely as the conservative party since they are to the right of St. Ronald anyway. Then maybe DSA could become the second major party. I can dream.
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Well i quoted the wrong part when i said his approach was brilliant. This is teh approach i thot was brilliant:
‘…Ojeda is so good that he manages to redefine social issues as class issues. Speaking at a pro-choice rally in Charleston, Ojeda told the crowd that he didn’t really like abortion, but that if it were outlawed, rich women would still get abortions.
West Virginians knew exactly what he meant…”Finally, some SMART progressives. Some of these folks are a lot of fun to watch.
Granted they are not ‘radicals’ and they often seem to fall in line with the deep-state on foreign policy etc — but at this point, ya take what ya can get, in the land of the blind.
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vwvParticipantYeah, I’m having a lot of fun watching these young, new progressives. I’m not optimistic about changing the Dem-Corp-Party but its fun to finally see, even a handful of actual progressives playing the game smartly.
Without Bernie’s run at the nomination last time, i dunno if any of this is happening.
While I’m watching all this, I’m also trying to figure out what strategies the Dem-Corps will use to destroy this new threat.
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vwvParticipantI dont care about any of this. I dont even care if the Rams go 0-16.
What i DO care about is seeing Aaron F’ing Donald and Neanterthal Suh PLAY next to each other. I WANT to SEE that. I want to see the dogs of war unleashed. I want to see Ruination. Carnage. Slaughter. Shock and Woe.
Thats all i care about. I dont care about cooks, gurley, or russians.
So wake me up when AD signs.
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vYep, and you didn’t even mention the secondary.
The combination of a crushing pass rush and no open receivers is going to be something. I don’t know if they can live up to expectations, but on paper, this is a compelling team.
Now if they can only stop TEs, that would be great. I’m guessing teams will try to attack the LBs with dink and dunk.
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Yeah. I wonder what teams are just built to give the Rams real trouble. I would think it would be a team with an outstanding OLine. Maybe a team that can pound the rock? A team with a great Defense themselves that can shut down the Rams O.
I’d love to see how Belichex would attack this D.
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vwvParticipantI agree that Behar was good in the moment, but it seemed like McCain just talked over her. I also agree that “pedantic” won’t win hearts and minds, nor will wonkiness, a Democratic Party specialty.
But I’m st1ill not convinced that blurring the lines between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism is the right way to go.
What’s your take on that, WV? Do you see that as the best strategy? If not, what is your preferred method/best practices, when it comes to this topic?
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Well BT, your guess is as good as mine. I dunno. I know that it depends on yer audience. Ya know. And the general tv-audience that watches THAT show is…I’m guessing… essentially MSM-Dems. Do they care about the distinction between Socialist-Dem and Dem-Socialist? I suspect that would lose their attention, and sound pedantic and the rightwinger would just roll over them with the usual “Venezuela! Stalin!” type shit.
I think Ocasio and Bernie and the Justice-Dems are getting it mostly right (given the limited Political-IQ of the voting public). They just harp on specific issues. Medicare for All. Free College. (although i think they need a better term than ‘free college.’ That term raises alarm bells with conservative types)
When the corpse-media asks them what is a socialist? Isnt it a murderous treasonous thing? They just calmly go “It means I’m for medicare for all, free college, a higher minimum wage, etc”
I wonder if it would behoove them to connect themselves with FDR? I dunno.
(I mean they arent ‘really’ socialists but who cares. They are as far left as we can go right now, today, in the US)I also think I have never ever seen a Clinton-Dem do what that lady just did in that vid. The listing of the Norwegian nations. I…have…not…seen that before in that context. Ever. To me thats…..noteworthy. And yes the vile Rep talked over it and didnt address it…which is a good sign. She couldnt handle it. That list.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantOne Thing i liked though, was when the Pro-Hillary-liberal was challenged with the usual “Where has socialism ever worked?”, she calmly listed Scandanavian nations. She didnt get all flustered or get all pedantic and boring. It was a good answer. And coming from her, it shocked me to be honest. I took it as a sign maybe the libs are getting a little better at this socialism discussion thing. I dunno.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantI dont care about any of this. I dont even care if the Rams go 0-16.
What i DO care about is seeing Aaron F’ing Donald and Neanterthal Suh PLAY next to each other. I WANT to SEE that. I want to see the dogs of war unleashed. I want to see Ruination. Carnage. Slaughter. Shock and Woe.
Thats all i care about. I dont care about cooks, gurley, or russians.
So wake me up when AD signs.
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vwvParticipantpolice:https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-police-related-fatalities.html#nRlv
New study finds police-related fatalities may occur twice as often as reported
July 24, 2018 by Stephen D’angelo, Cornell UniversitywvParticipant“n West Virginia, the leader of that state’s teacher strike, Richard Ojeda, is waging a strong campaign to take an open House seat long held by Republicans. Ojeda, a Democratic state senator who voted for Trump himself, is running as an out and out progressive populist…”
This is brilliant. Politically brilliant. Its by far, the single best approach i have ever read, to the abortion issue in a red-state like WV.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantAwesome.
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vwvParticipantWell, i have a weird embarrassing unexplainable weakness for….’radar love’. So, I suppose I could watch it. 🙂
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vwvParticipantIs he as good as Sammy Watkins?
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantwvParticipantAnd Putin… wants to continue to disrupt American civilization, and weaken our world standing, and he’s going to keep doing that. A big shitstorm, constitutional crisis works just fine for him. He’s a winner either way. Trump keeps fucking shit up as he has been doing, or he cripples the government’s ability to keep their eye on the ball at all because it is undergoing a governmental crisis.”
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Well then Putin and I want prettymuch the same thing 🙂
I mean i like what RT reports on. I dont care what their ‘motives’ are, they tell more truth in 30 minutes than the American-MSM tells in a decade.
At any rate, the nation is so divided now, even if you took ‘russian interference’ or russian media’ out of the mix, there’d still be a growing shitstorm.
I think. I dunno.
As Noam always notes, all the surveys indicate the WORLD considers the USA the biggest threat to peace on the planet. Russia didnt cause that. Putin had nothing to do with that.
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vwvParticipant“accused”
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“So a dictator who has been accused of systematically killing his opponents asked us to extradite two of our citizens so he can “talk” to them or possibly try them because they spoke out against him. And we didn’t immediately say no? WTH is going on? What do we stand for?” Jason ColeSo ‘accusations’ amount to proof now? And who is this “us” he’s referring to? Would that be the “us” that systematically kills opponents with drone-murders without due process on a weekly basis?
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vwvParticipantAt any rate, what about the NATO thing. You seem to think russia is an aggressor — what about the NATO thing. Seems to me its the West thats the aggressor.
I remember reading about the missile defense systems awhile ago and I thought the same thing: Is this a good idea? Was it necessary? It does seem to be a poke at them. And it clearly pisses them off. I’m open to questioning that. But even IF that happened, I don’t expect Putin would suddenly shake our hand. Putin’s #1 interest is the same as Trump’s: himself..
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Well, I like the way Paul Jay of real news network put it in a vid. He said American oligarchs are the enemies of Americans. And russian oligarchs are the enemies of Russians. Basically just a simple class argument. Thats how I look at it. I dont think of ‘russia’ as ‘our enemy’.
Putin’s a gangster. Trump/Clinton/Obama/Bush are bigger gangsters.w
vIf Russian oligarchs run complex operations to disrupt our election system, and pit American against American via social media — which they did — then they’re our “enemies” too.
These things can all be the case at the same time:
1. American oligarchs are our enemies
2. Russian oligarchs are the enemies of the Russian people
3. American oligarchs can be the enemies of people all over the world
4. Russian oligarchs can be the enemies of people all over the world.IMO, there is no reason to limit it to an impact on just their own countries, and I have a feeling that Paul Jay doesn’t do that for American power. Nor should he. So why the limit for Russia power?
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Well, sure, Oligarchs are the enemy. I think Paul Jay was just reacting to the way the american MSM suppresses the ‘context’. The MSM just goes on and on about the russians and buries the…..well, youve heard all this from me a million times now. I dont wanna keep repeating the same mantra.
We just summarize each OTHER’s views — see if we have it right — and then um…i dunno….agree to shoot zn, er somethin.
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vwvParticipantAt any rate, what about the NATO thing. You seem to think russia is an aggressor — what about the NATO thing. Seems to me its the West thats the aggressor.
I remember reading about the missile defense systems awhile ago and I thought the same thing: Is this a good idea? Was it necessary? It does seem to be a poke at them. And it clearly pisses them off. I’m open to questioning that. But even IF that happened, I don’t expect Putin would suddenly shake our hand. Putin’s #1 interest is the same as Trump’s: himself..
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Well, I like the way Paul Jay of real news network put it in a vid. He said American oligarchs are the enemies of Americans. And russian oligarchs are the enemies of Russians. Basically just a simple class argument. Thats how I look at it. I dont think of ‘russia’ as ‘our enemy’.
Putin’s a gangster. Trump/Clinton/Obama/Bush are bigger gangsters.w
vwvParticipantI just think that misunderstandings of entropy increase across time. Eventually, it will be completely misunderstood.
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I’m not sure i understand the misunderstanding in question.
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vwvParticipantI just don’t think Putin wants peace. That isn’t his goal. He has other goals and frankly, that doesn’t include a great relationship with the United States. I think he’s more inclined to watch us fail and sink from the world stage and whatever evils we’ve unleashed on the world, he can easily do worse.
He is not our friend. He has no interest in that.
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I kinda think the opposite, but let a thousand flowers bloom 🙂
At any rate, what about the NATO thing. You seem to think russia is an aggressor — what about the NATO thing. Seems to me its the West thats the aggressor.
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vwvParticipantBut Noam’s interview was prior to the latest indictments from Mueller. There’s more information now to deal with. I don’t think he would be as dismissive of Russian interference after reading them.
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Well the vid says it was published on July 4. When were the indictments? (the vid is in the other thread i started — did you watch it?)
And in the vid he doesnt dismiss the russia story. He says it probably happened — he just doesnt think its a major story. He does the ‘context’ thing. In the context of what the US does regularly, the russia thing is just not a major story.
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vwvParticipantTrump is moving the goalposts for what is acceptable by Russia. Putin will test that.
And then? Who knows? It won’t be good.
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Well, I look at it like, yeah he’s moving the goalposts.. towards peace with russia.
And yeah, i think Dem warhawks and coldwarriors like Hillary will move the goalposts the other way when they get the chance. But i dont blame trump for that.
Listen to Noam on Russia. What do you think of his recounting of how the US/Nato has moved first-strike missiles country by country right up to Russia’s border. Despite the fact the US said it wouldnt do that.
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