it’s not a fisher qb. it’s a fisher philosophy.

as long as gurley is on this team it’s going to be lining up under center and play action. we’re not going to see goff lining up the majority of snaps in shotgun and whipping the ball around like brady.

it’s just not going to happen while gurley is a ram. if it does i’ll admit i’m wrong but i don’t see it.

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As for those concerns about Goff’s frame, Flaherty thinks the QB will be up to “240 pounds easy” by his third season in the league. Keep in mind, Goff also doesn’t turn 22 untill the middle of his rookie season.

wow. i didn’t think 240. i figured maybe 230 pounds. but it’s good to hear. and yeah he’s only 21 years old.

for what it’s worth rodgers at cal was 18-7 in his two seasons. he did not start his freshman year like goff did.

so his record was 18-7 compared to goff who was 13-12. he did have marshawn lynch and jj arrington his last year at cal. jj arrington was a second round pick the same year rodgers declared for the nfl draft in 2005. arrington had 2000 yards rushing that year. lynch had 628 yards that year. 2004. cal went 10-2. goff went 8-5 this season his last.

i have nothing against goff. i still have problems with the trade though. this is a deep defensive draft, and there are some prospects to be gotten in the second round. shoot. if i was the rams and i hadn’t made the trade, i’d be looking to move up to draft myles jack.

that being said i think goff will turn out to be good. i got this from the original herd board. and it makes me feel comfortable with the pick despite his small hands.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016

football outsiders has goff as the 9th best qb prospect to come out in the last 20 years. meaning he has the ninth best chance of succeeding in the pros of any qb in the last 20 years. now this isn’t foolproof and they are constantly changing the factors that go into predicting success. some guys have ended up as flops such as beck, griffin, ponder, and mcnown. but he’s in pretty good company right there.

and the fact that he has gurley to shoulder a lot of the load and a good defense to take pressure off him makes his chances that much better.

his redzone production was ridonkulous.

i’m really digging this thomas duarte kid. from ucla. played wide receiver but projects to be an h back type.

rams need a receiving tight end.

the one thing about goff’s stats. how much of it was padded because cal was in a hopeless situation? wentz’s stats always counted for something because the team was usually winning.

on the other hand, if you watch wentz in the national championship game, that defense was awesome. they almost always put carson in good situations where there wasn’t much pressure on him to drive the length of the field.

tough choice.

one other thing about goff. spread qbs are often criticized because they lag far behind in footwork and pocket presence. but for goff. because of a poor supporting cast. he was forced to develop these skills and they’re actually cited as a strength.

how many college highlights did we see of bradford just standing there. tons of time to throw and no pass rush around him? and in the pros he suffered cuz he couldn’t sense the pass rush around him. i don’t think goff will have that problem and in some ways he’s actually ahead of wentz. goff still has to get used to playing under center and more importantly learn play action where he’ll have his back to the defense. but in terms of pocket presence and always being in a good position to throw i think he’ll be ahead of wentz. plus i think he had more presnap responsibilities than most spread qbs if we are to believe what we read.

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i don’t like kroenke for a lot of reasons but i don’t necessarily fault him for his coaching hires. in fact, i would be on board with giving fisher an extension. making a change just to make a change isn’t going to necessarily make things better especially when they’re now going to be developing a first round qb.

and as far as arsenal goes, spending money just to spend money isn’t necessarily going to buy championships. wenger has a proven track record of recognizing young talent and developing that talent. i know that a lot of arsenal fans earlier were upset that they didn’t hire klopp when he was available but i don’t know that he was for sure an upgrade over wenger or that kroenke would even have spent more money as a result. klopp is very much like wenger in that he is more a developer of young talent than a guy who just spends to spend.

this is in downtown i think near the gaslamp district. my understanding is the city does not want a stadium in downtown. unless there’s been a change of heart.

biggest test of snead’s career. will he find a team blender or a team divider?

hahahaha!

the idea of 2 physical specimens in the backfield such as wentz and gurley is intriguing.

almost like a roethlisberger bell duo.

not sure how i feel about this article. almost feels like he’s trying to convince himself he can handle the nfl rather than the reader.

canadaram wrote:

Similarly, I wonder if Chip Kelly would want Bradford back?

i think kelly should trade kaepernick for bradford.

PA Ram wrote:

Okay—I have been pretty consistent with wanting Wentz. That has not changed for me. First of all, I like the running threat he brings to a team that runs a very conservative offense. He’s an extra threat–something the defense has to account for. Watching the NDSU offense felt like watching the Rams offense. He was successful with that. He took care of the football. He managed things very well–and was actually in charge of things at the line. He’s very smart. That tape with Marriucci really impressed me–wheras Goff didn’t quite seem to have the understanding of the play that Wentz did with his.

Yes–he needs to improve things. And he won’t have a championship caliber offensive line around him like he had at NDSU. How will he do when rushed? He doesn’t have quite the pocket movement of Goff but it doesn’t look terrible either. Can he develop a Big Ben sort of pocket ability?

I think he has room to improve and will.

I don’t dislike Goff. He is certainly more in the Montana mold than Wentz. But this kid has no great receivers to help him on this team right now. I don’t know what to expect from the offensive line. He has to make that spread transition. Yes–he has a good back behind him and a bit of a wild card weapon with Tavon–but I see that fitting Wentz better. Goff would thrive with the better downfield receivers or sharp route runners. he doesn’t have Jerry Rice or Issac Bruce.

I see him having a more difficult transition to the NFL with this team.

Now–can he make the receivers better? To a degree–sure. But how much better? And there is no help coming through the draft anytime soon.

Five years from now–with better players–Goff might be the pick.

But to grow with what is already on the team–I just really think Wentz would do better.

good points. i would be happy either way with a slight preference for wentz.

but mostly i’m nervous.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

one thing i like about goff is his ypa which was 8.9 last year

You know I looked and I couldn’t find any splits that would tell me what percentage of his total attempts were short, long, or medium.

I can find those stats on pro qbs, not college qbs.

yeah. i can only assume from looking at those stats. it’s hard to tell how that ypa number was produced. but just generally looking at the modern day qb, the good ones tend to have a relative high ypa.

edit: i don’t know exactly how true that is about the ypa, but my impression is goff is not just a guy who throws screens and short passes.

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