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  • #42949
    zn
    Moderator

    ag had the right idea but then took it down

    so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea

    good thinking ag, this thread is in your honor

    #42943
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    rams 1st 4th round pick…tyler higbee TE

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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-higbee?id=2555364

    Western Kentucky has had a bit of a run at the tight end position the past few years, with Jack Doyle drafted by the Colts in 2013 and Mitchell Henry getting his shot with multiple teams last summer. Higbee could be the best of the trio. The converted receiver added weight to his frame and when given the chance to show his stuff against Marshall as a junior, made six catches for 99 yards and three scores. He built on that in 2015, teaming up with two-time Conference USA MVP to put up some of the best numbers for any tight end in the country (38-563, eight TD) despite missing five-plus games with a knee injury.

    Pro Day Results
    Bench: 18 reps of 225 pounds
    Analysis
    Strengths Former wide receiver with a smooth, wide­-open gait when he hits top gear. Has big hands. Had just one drop this season and showed ability to recover the catch when he juggled a throw. Becomes a body catcher who can protect the ball in traffic. Willing to work middle of the field and take hits. Quick and slippery off line of scrimmage and into routes. Very good acceleration out of his breaks and can be a tough cover for safeties. Has the speed and toughness to work all three levels of the field. Can own the Y­-seam with his vertical speed and hands. Immediately opens and looks for expedited throws when he’s over the top of inside linebackers. Has frame for more muscle mass. Extremely competitive after the catch with speed, elusiveness and decent power. Can carry body tacklers after the catch.
    Weaknesses Still has work to do filling out his frame. Slow to adjust to blocking assignment during flow of play. Not powerful enough yet to handle NFL edge power as in­line blocker. Doesn’t run feet through block to sustain. Upright into his breaks. Needs route polish for underneath routes. Can get better at creating additional leverage through crisper routes. Suffered through a knee sprain that cost him four games before re-aggravating it in Conference USA Championship Game. Missed his bowl game and expected to miss Senior Bowl because of it.
    Draft Projection Round 4
    NFL Comparison Jordan Cameron
    Bottom Line Knee injury basically took six games away from him this season which could cause him to fly under the radar a little bit. Higbee has exciting athleticism and speed in the open field with the ability to separate from safeties on intermediate routes and threaten the deep middle. Higbee has soft, reliable hands and plus run-­after­-catch ability to finish plays. While he needs to beef up his frame and blocking ability, there is no doubting his pass catching talent.

    Good pass catcher. I don’t think he has been tasered.

    Agamemnon

    #42944
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Some legal issues.

    Jeremiah says 3rd best tight end in the draft.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #42945
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    yeah legal issues stemming from some bar fight he got into. pleading not guilty but also not his first run-in with the law. he might be stupid.

    #42950
    Agamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #42951
    Zooey
    Participant

    ag had the right idea but then took it down

    so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea

    Rams get 117 and 206 for trade with Chicago.

    #42957
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Agamemnon

    #42960
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Mayock says Cooper didn’t run fast but likes him. High school QB. Ideal slot receiver. Tape better than tested. Just makes plays. Lines up all over the place.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #42964
    PA Ram
    Participant

    So they get a tight end and wide receiver. I like it. Goff needs weapons.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #42966
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/pharoh-cooper?id=2555419

    Pharoh Cooper

    Overview

    Many college football players are lacking in discipline, driving their coaches crazy. Cooper does not have that problem, as he grew up in a military family — his grandfather and father were Marines, and his brother is a Marine. After winning back-to-back state high school titles in North Carolina, Cooper used his maturity to get on the field right away for the Gamecocks, receiving Freshman All-SEC honors as an all-purpose back and returner (359 kick return yards). Once given a chance to receive regular touches on offense, Cooper excelled, garnering consensus first team all-conference recognition as a receiver in 2014 (69-1,136, 11 TD) and second team honors as an all-purpose back (200 rushing yards, two scores). His production dipped a bit in 2015 (66-973, nine TD), but South Carolina’s offense struggled in many ways this season. SEC coaches still named him first team all-conference receiver and all-purpose player for his efforts.

    Pro Day Results
    40-yard dash: 4.63 seconds
    Vertical: 30 1/2 inches
    Broad jump: 9 feet, 10 inches
    Short shuttle: 4.26 seconds
    3-cone: 7.15 seconds
    Bench: 19 reps of 225 pounds
    Analysis
    Strengths Short but compact and strong. Especially fast with first three steps off the line. Reaches top speed almost instantly. Should blaze his 10-­yard split at combine. Operates with excellent balance and body control at all times. Staccato footwork and seamless change of direction out of breaks opens early passing window. Will break off route and improvise to free space when route is compromised by coverage underneath it. Competitiveness ramps as soon as he hits the grass. Has burst to steam past safety if cornerback takes bad angle on his slants. Strength to play through contact in his routes. Stutter-go release near goal line is difficult to stop.
    Weaknesses Has neither height nor length for desired catch radius. Was unable to reach big­-play throws downfield. Contested catches became a chore. Battled focus and concentration drops at one point. Hip tightness creates rounded routes and limited wiggle after catch. The more wrinkles in the route, the less effective Cooper becomes. Relies on straight line quickness over speed or agility in open field. Limited route exposure while at South Carolina.
    Draft Projection Round 3
    Sources Tell Us “He’s a good player. Scouts can’t worry about how a player like Cooper is going to be used because that is the OC’s job. Our job is to find good football players. He’s a good football player.” — NFC South scout
    NFL Comparison Josh Reed
    Bottom Line Amidst turbulent offensive times at South Carolina, Cooper has been a rock with consistent production in all areas of the field. While I see Cooper as slightly limited as a pro due to his reliance on straight-line acceleration and scheme fit, NFL personnel men seem to love his playmaking ability and competitive nature.

    A NE WR for Brady. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #42967
    Maddy
    Participant

    CBS gave the Cooper pick an instant A+

    #42968
    zn
    Moderator

    Cooper & Higbee were both on a lot of guys “top players left on day 3” lists

    #42969
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    • This reply was modified 8 years ago by Agamemnon.

    Agamemnon

    #42970
    zn
    Moderator

    yeah legal issues stemming from some bar fight he got into.

    Good, cause with Cook gone, they need a TE who can assault the quarterback

    #42973
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Now, trade Foles to Dallas or KC. Cause the already lost out twice. Once for Lynch and once for Cook. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #42978
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    This draft and last draft prove it………Fisher hates defense, loves offense. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #42979
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    the more i read about higbee the more i realize how much i don’t know about college football and the draft! haha!

    sounds like a good pick from a football standpoint. possible first or second round talent in the fourth. i see comparisons to ladarius green and rob gronkowski. wow.

    from a character standpoint i hope this guy isn’t a douche.

    i understand he was defending his girlfriend’s honor, but he made some dude’s brain hemorrhage. and it’s not like this will be the last time someone gets under his skin.

    #42981
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Next up, Gurley’s old buddy. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #42982
    zn
    Moderator

    This draft and last draft prove it………Fisher hates defense, loves offense

    Yeah it’s pretty obvious.

    #42983
    zn
    Moderator

    PFF SCOUTING REPORT: PHAROH COOPER, WR, SOUTH CAROLINA

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/18/draft-pff-scouting-report-pharoh-cooper-wr-south-carolina/

    Here is the PFF draft profile for South Carolina’s Pharoh Cooper, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here.

    Position fit:
    Slot receiver. 609 of his 764 snaps came from the slot in 2015

    Stat to know:
    Forced 33 missed tackles on 135 receptions between 2014 and 2015

    What he does best:
    • Great in space, 16 missed tackles forced on 66 receptions in 2015
    • Very quick feet, a big part of the reason he made so many people miss tackles
    • Explosive, possibly an impact player as a returner too. Returned 27 punts in 2014 and 2015, with a long of 24 yards in both seasons
    • Best fit may be as a vertical slot receiver where his acceleration and speed will play well against slot corners
    • Can also be effective if given the ball on screens, slants, and shallow crosses as his acceleration allows him to get to top speed in a hurry

    Biggest concern:
    • Really struggles against press, poor use of hands to shake free
    • Not a typical slot route runner, not as proficient as using the “two-way go” to take advantages of defenders
    • Will run some sloppy routes, often lacks the wiggle at the top of his stem
    • Not physical at the catch point
    • Still fairly raw. Needs to develop all round game if he is going to be more than just good in space

    Pro style comparison:
    Doug Baldwin, Seattle Seahawks. Baldwin can do some damage in the short game, but he separates himself from other slot receivers by making big plays as a vertical threat as well. Cooper can be productive in a similar role.

    Bottom line:
    Cooper is far from the finished product, but as a big-play threat from the slot and a player that can be used as a space player and return specialist, he adds value in the middle rounds.

    #42984
    PA Ram
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    Tyler Higbee ‏@Ty_Higs19 18m18 minutes ago
    Thanks Mr. Kroenke, @CoachJeffFisher, @kdemoff, Mr. Snead & the entire @RamsNFL organization for this opportunity! Cant wait to get to work!

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #42985
    Herzog
    Participant

    Cooper is short and slow…. Not sure I like this pick. But this is day 3 so…..

    #42986
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    Deadpool

    Cooper – he could be a fit for the Rams in the slot. Swiss army knife playmaker.

    Higbee – another TE that makes sense. He’s a more all around TE then Adams.

    So you get a receiving and blocking TE that can stretch the seam and a slot WR that can do a little of everything to go with TA and Britt. I am liking how the offense is shaping up.

    #42987
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 27m27 minutes ago
    Reaction of new Rams QB Jared Goff, via text, upon being told the team drafted South Carolina WR Pharoah Cooper in 4th round: ‘Yes!’

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #42988
    zn
    Moderator

    Cooper is short and slow…. Not sure I like this pick. But this is day 3 so…..

    People who watched him love him. He’s also quick. And tough. A slot receiver. Kind of a more physical Amendola.

    Many good analysts see him as very good value for day 3.

    #42990
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    RockRam

    Higbee could be a tremendous pick up. Tough guy. All of 6’6″. Showed up at the combine at 249.

    big (10 1/4 inch) soft hands that catches everything thrown at him.

    He was recruited and played as a WR (that explains his catching ability). But then grew into a TE.

    Blocking is not terrible, seems to have “want to”, just needs technique work.

    Great size….wow. Exactly what the doctor ordered. We have 3 TEs who can block the daylights out of you. We needed a TE who plays like a WR and is a true pass catching threat. Clearly Higbee is. Every professional report I read said he’ll be too much for most of the Safeties in the league.

    #42994
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net…expanded, updated, posted again

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    jrry32

    Watched Cooper throughout his SC career. He’s a stud. Small (5’11” 205) and didn’t test well but uber competitive, makes plays all day, and is a tough SOB. Wins in traffic. Not afraid to take a huge hit to catch the ball. Plays fast. Very good YAC skills.

    I think Cooper will be a productive slot guy for us once he gets NFL routes downs. He’s every cliche you hear about slot guys. Blue collar, tough SOB, lunch pail, deceptive speed (gets up to speed very quickly), and no quit.

    Very strong guy. Great work ethic. Comes from a family of Marines.

    He’s a playmaker.

    Here’s a stat for all of you, Cooper had 973 yards in 2015. South Carolina’s #2 WR had around 160 yards.(Jerell Adams, their TE, was the second leading receive with around 400-450 yards)

    Cooper actually would have had 1050 yards and a 80 yard game winning TD in the final minute against The Citadel but one of SC’s young WRs didn’t get set before the ball was snapped.

    I’ll tell you this much, the Rams identified a weakness and are attacking it. What do Higbee and Cooper both offer? Outstanding HANDS. Looks like the Rams are tired of the drops.

    #42995
    wv
    Participant

    Well, when’s the last time the Rams drafted a WR
    in the fourth round that made a big impact?

    I’m skeptical about Cooper, but I think Higbee
    is a plug-and-play guy.

    Off the top of my head, my biggest concern right now….I spose….
    would be….Can the Rams stop the Run?
    Second biggest concern would be can Mr Goff, play the NFL game,
    with his tiny hands and happy feet, and no pro experience.

    w
    v

    #42996
    zn
    Moderator

    Well, when’s the last time the Rams drafted a WR
    in the fourth round that made a big impact?

    You’re right, they;re due.

    Anyway, seriously…this draft was supposed to be deep at WR and unusual in that respect. It was said in advance that teams could get starters in the 4th round this year. Just a deep draft—not rich at the top but unusually deep after the top. All I know is that anyone who knows anything about Cooper loves him.

    #42997
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Aaron RodgersVerified account
    ‏@AaronRodgers12
    Congrats @JaredGoff16 on realizing your NFL dream. You made @CalFootball proud, enjoy LA! #RollOnYouBears

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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