— X — wrote:

His list of potential cabinet appointees include women, gays, and blacks. So much for being a racist, or homophobic, or a misogynist. And please. You can’t honestly believe that Killory is THAT stupid that she didn’t understand the lucid instructions given to her about the handling of classified information. Careless? lol. Intentionally defiant would be a more apt description. Let alone lying about it. Let alone allowing someone without security clearance (her maid) print out and view classified materials. And yes, that falls under the category of traitorism.

personally i don’t think he’s a racist.

i think he’s an elitist. and that’s more scary to me.

but that’s just me.

and we mean nothing to a man like him.

Billy_T wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

this affirms to me why humans will never survive.

I can’t help it. I love humanity. But should we survive? If we take the proverbial “god’s eye-view” — not in the religious sense, but in the widest possible, most perfectly objective, disinterested sense — should we?

No other creature on this planet has come within light years of being so destructive. We’ve wiped out more species than all other life on this planet combined. And, unlike them, we all too often did it because it pleased us to do so. We do it maliciously and with self-conscious cruelty.

As far as we know, no other animal has that trait.

The caveat to the above, at least for me: I think the vast majority of that has happened because hierarchical societies have dominated the last several thousand years. Those at the top have ordered that destruction, primarily to protect, defend and expand their power. “The people” largely had to go along with that or die. If we are to truly end the biggest structural/systemic reason for that destruction, cruelty and maliciousness, we need non-hierarchical alternatives.

i try not to think of it in terms of should we survive. more just will we survive.

i don’t know if it’s necessarily cruel or malicious. it just is. humans can’t operate the way you would like them to. i hope i am wrong.

i think trump and clinton. and for that matter jinping and putin. and the conflict in the middle east. just proof that an egalitarian society is not possible.

humans are just way too emotional. to quote our great president camacho our shit’s emotional.

we need cold hard logic.

now of course maybe we get off this planet, but people here don’t think that’s possible.

this affirms to me why humans will never survive.

The only ray of hope…hope in the dark….is that all this will galvanize the Progressives. And we have to hope there are actually ‘enough’ real live progressives to make a difference.
Thats a lot of ‘hoping’ but thats all i got.

yeah… we hope.

secession? eh. don’t know how serious this is, but separating oneself from people you disagree with seems a lil counterproductive… i mean we all have to occupy the same planet… for now.

Billy_T wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

The silver lining is that…hopefully…the progressives who are mad as hell and motivated with Bernie’s run (and many kept at it through the election) will take the mantle and keep fighting and can now do so without the DNC cockblocking them.

Cuz…fuck the corporate sellout DNC. They’ve been slamming progressives…even co-opting the progressive moniker while taking on virtually no actual progressive positions…even engaging in slimy character assassination that would make Karl Rove proud…all so that they could keep those corporate bucks rolling in.

Margin call, bitches.

Now is the time to get to do the REAL, Progressive work and hopefully not have to deal with any more DNC, centrist interference.

In my view, it’s past time for progressives, too. They’re better than centrists, who are in turn better than wingnuts. But we need stronger medicine than progressivism, and that needs to come from the anticapitalist, radical egalitarian left.

Our only real hope to achieve social justice is to shit-can the current economic system entirely, IMO. It’s also the only way we’re going to be able to save this planet for wildlife and ourselves.

ya know. my guess is humans will eventually just make their way off this planet and infect the entire galaxy.

i like your thinking, but we’re too primitive a species to be able to do that.

robots on the other hand…

Mackeyser wrote:

Let’s be clear.

I’m not defending Trump. Nor do I think he was virtuous in all of this. The opposite of that, actually.

But… TWO people stood outside of factories that have closed or were about to close and spoke DIRECTLY to the worries and concerns of workers.

BERNIE…and…Trump.

Of course it was all a show.

But think about it. Clinton didn’t even care enough to do the show part…

hubris.

she couldn’t even pretend to care.

the democrats have a lot of shit to sort out. they majorly fucked up.

can i say winter is coming?

or maybe it’s been here for awhile already, but a storm is a brewing i tell ya.

ladies and gentlemen. your new president of the united states.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

my report on the game isn’t so great i know. i’m not the greatest writer to begin with. couple that with a lack of knowledge about football, and reports would be basically useless.

Well on this one I will drop the informal poll bit and just flat tell you you are wrong.

I like your game reports, I think you have a good and distinctive writing style and I always enjoy your posts, and I appreciate your report and glad it contributed to our unique content here.

I just got into the “should Goff start” debate thing.

But that’s not a reflection on your report.

Heck I would trade up for your game reports. I like them. They have a very distinctive voice and flavor. So, thanks.

we’re just discussing the team we hold dear.

no problems. i like it. good conversations to be had here.

i will say that keenum got unwarranted jeers from the crowd yesterday. i don’t the know the exact reason they were booing him, but if they actually think starting goff this year will lead to more wins they’re in for a rude awakening.

yesterday. i don’t think keenum played all that bad. he had an int. and he missed a couple guys i think. quick in particular in the first half. but he did enough to win.

gurley not getting enough touches was criminal though, and i put that on the coaching staff. not just boras.

the weather was toasty. getting into and out of the game wasn’t too bad. my friend and i were even able to find free parking about a mile away from the stadium.

but part of that was because not a lot of people went to the game. i actually think the preseason game against kansas city was more packed than the carolina game. i get the sense that the fans are very much wanting to cheer this team on. but they’re frustrated. most of them don’t know the heartache that comes along with being a rams fan. ha!

What I DON’T buy though is the idea that if he DOESN’T start as a rookie he’s a failure as a pick. I don’t believe that.

i’m not arguing that. i’m not saying he’s necessarily a bust. i just question the move up mainly. you’re already gambling. but this is just a shot in the dark if he’s that raw.

and again. i don’t think he’s that raw. i think fisher was/is hoping he can turn this around.

no. they’re not turning this around. the season is lost.

Most struggle. Only a small percentage haven’t. A team that starts a high-picked rookie qb is doing it, far more often than not, because they are rebuilding, have no choice, and are resigned to living with the losses. They were picking a qb high in the first place not because they traded up, but because they were bad and had to rebuild.

yeah. we might argue on the definition of rebuild. but this season is lost. starting keenum does nothing because they are not going to win without a running game.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

you’re missing the point, zn. if he wasn’t that ready. and you know. i accept that he may not have been. you don’t pick him number one overall.

Sure you do. If you think he is the better 10-15 year qb.

The only metric here that DOESN’T count is the “how did he do in year 1” metric.

How he does as a rookie, starting or not starting, has nothing to do with his longterm value and his value as a pick.

And of course remember, most high-picked qbs start as rookies because the team had no choice.

Most struggle. Only a small percentage haven’t. A team that starts a high-picked rookie qb is doing it, far more often than not, because they are rebuilding, have no choice, and are resigned to living with the losses. They were picking a qb high in the first place not because they traded up, but because they were bad and had to rebuild.

if he’s that much of a project then i submit you absolutely have no clue if he is the better qb.

you’re just wildly gambling.

wentz and prescott started because they had to.

i get that.

fisher thought he had the luxury of not having to start him. i get that too. i even agreed with it. i thought they’d have the running game to support case and win.

they didn’t. the season is lost. it’s gone. it’s time to move on. we will see if fisher has.

and i’m not actually saying if goff is one way or another. i am saying that IF goff is that much a project you don’t pick him number one.

i don’t think he is. i think either fisher is stubborn. or stupid. or both. he has to realize this season is done.

you’re missing the point, zn. if he wasn’t that ready. and you know. i accept that he may not have been. you don’t pick him number one overall.

you definitely don’t trade up for a guy who is that much of a project. that much of a gamble.

also. i’m not saying case is the problem. what i am saying is that case needed the running game to be able to work. everyone knew that. well the running game is shit. so why keep trotting out a qb who is useless without a running game?

it’s not going to get fixed. the running game that is. at this point it’s useless to keep putting out a qb who can’t operate under these conditions. you say you’re comfortable putting goff out if you need to. well at this point that’s what you do. the rams need to find out where he is at this point. even if you have to bench him later you do that. i think eli went through similar struggles and came out fine.

what you don’t do is keep putting out a qb who is ineffective due to the conditions round him.

and again. if goff was so much of a project that you couldn’t put him out there, you don’t select him number one overall. you don’t trade away your future on that big of a risk.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by InvaderRam.

Zooey wrote:

Looks like 75% of the offensive plays today were passes.

12 carries for Gurley.

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I am inclined to suspect Boras. I mean…everything else is the same or better on offense, but their performance is worse.

i think it’s more than just boras. i think the entire coaching staff needs to be overhauled.

this running game has been a problem since before boras was promoted to offensive coordinator. gurley had 4-5 tremendous games and then fell off a cliff. some of it is gurley. some of it is defenses adjusted to this running game, and the rams have not been able to counter. some of it is also the oline. the coaching staff misjudged the talent. the players are dumb. the players are undisciplined. but also. boudreau is not able to get through to these guys.

i think it’s at the point where fisher and the entire staff needs to go. they’ve lost this team. i believe this roster has talent, but fisher and company have failed to properly extract that talent from this team and convert it to production.

i know people will disagree with me, but he has absolutely lost this team. and i was not a big proponent of firing him. i thought the rams needed stability first and foremost. especially with the drafting of goff. but this team needs a complete change. better to do it now than to have to reprogram goff three years later. i also think they need to draft an offensive head coach. particularly one adept at developing quarterbacks.

he’s still voting for clinton though it should be noted.

this is a tough on for sure. who stinks more? clinton or trump? that’s tough.