Election Day(s)

The last few days I’ve been live-streaming ABC News, NBC News and PBS News to follow the election. I wanted to stream Fox but i guess they didnt have a live-stream.

Anyway, this is the first time Ive actually watched the Corporate-Network-Pundits in many many years. I had forgotten what they are like. It…is…APPALLING how they ALLLLLLLLLLLL sound like David Gergin. He’s the smooth, soothing, civil, moderate-republican from PBS. I mean they ALLLLLLLLLLL push moderate-republican/Dem-Centrist strategies. ALLL of them.

I had to turn it off. It was physically painful to listen to it.

My god in heaven. I had forgotten what a propaganda-wasteland TV ‘news’ is.

There’s a reason we have another Biden in office now.

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You know these swings states really are incredibly close. My Lord. With just a little luck Trump could have had a Landslide victory.

Btw, in West,byGod, Virginia, Biden got 29 percent. Reddest State in the Nation other than Wyoming, in which Biden got 26 percent.

Howie got 2 percent for the Greens.

In a couple of swing states, the Libertarian might just have cost Trump the victories. They were that close.

Trump is like a super-villain. He’s amazing. What a hellscape this country is.

Trump would have won without the pandemic. The crashing economy had to have cost him a percentage point or two. What a year. 2020.

votes:https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=How+many+votes+did+Howie+Hawkins+get%3F

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wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

Well, my “feeds” aren’t any better. Worse, even.

Everyone gloating.

And…it’s Joe Fucking Biden we’re gloating about.

I mean….

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Really? Geez, we have totally different feeds. I only have a twitter feed, i dont do facebook. But my feed is all about “Guillotining Biden” and such. Then again, I have made it a point to follow Stalinists, Maoists, Leninists, Anarchists, etc.

They hate Biden more than Trump. If i try to argue Trump is worse, I’m labeled a “Liberal.”

Tough crowd.

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Not a tough crowd. An ignorant crowd. As AOC said as she worked hard for Biden he is the ONLY choice in this election. So what do the ignorants say to her? I give her a lot of credit to all her energy and courage to support Joe Biden. She is smart-not ignorant. Same with Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI). They stood for Biden when it counts. I give them not only credit but also courage for their support. Progressives are the future. The above know this. The others you mentioned don’t care about the future -they care about making a statement no matter the cost.

This is the greatest thing I’ve seen this whole election 😂😂😂pic.twitter.com/nbMHbAFyuf

— Young Simba (@Mufaa6) November 6, 2020

InvaderRam wrote:

One thing I’ll say: for the last two years, I and progressive candidates have been unseating powerful Dem incumbents supported by DCCC.

Not *once* has anyone in the party asked me what weaknesses I’ve found in their operation.

This gets us to a (by now) old theme.

The mainstream dem party machine courts republicans and absolutely fights against its own progressive wing.

Tells us everything we need to know about the dem party machine…in case we didn;t know already.

And of course courting republicans does not work and neither does open warfare against its own progressive wing.

Example: there’s strong evidence Cory Booker would have beaten McConnell or at least had a much better chance than that bleached dishrag the dem party machine backed (McGrath).

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zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

One thing I’ll say: for the last two years, I and progressive candidates have been unseating powerful Dem incumbents supported by DCCC.

Not *once* has anyone in the party asked me what weaknesses I’ve found in their operation.

This gets us to a (by now) old theme.

The mainstream dem party machine courts republicans and absolutely fights against its own progressive wing.

Tells us everything we need to know about the dem party machine…in case we didn;t know already.

And of course courting republicans does not work and neither does open warfare against its own progressive wing.

Example: there’s strong evidence Cory Booker would have beaten McConnell or at least had a much better chance than that bleached dishrag the dem party machine backed (McGrath).

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Hot damn, AOC spits so much fire in this interview. https://t.co/LTqCEJnFLW pic.twitter.com/Hof3ysbhdc

— David Roberts (@drvox) November 8, 2020

On the other hand.

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Zooey wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

ZN, do you mean someone other than Booker? Apologies in advance if this is something I’ve just missed, but I thought he was firmly entrenched in Jersey politics.

He meant Charles Booker. Slip of the keyboard.

Yes thanks for the correction. Though it was more of a braincell slip. I meant Charles Booker.

wv wrote:

The last few days I’ve been live-streaming ABC News, NBC News and PBS News to follow the election. I wanted to stream Fox but i guess they didnt have a live-stream.

Anyway, this is the first time Ive actually watched the Corporate-Network-Pundits in many many years. I had forgotten what they are like. It…is…APPALLING how they ALLLLLLLLLLLL sound like David Gergin. He’s the smooth, soothing, civil, moderate-republican from PBS. I mean they ALLLLLLLLLLL push moderate-republican/Dem-Centrist strategies. ALLL of them.

I had to turn it off. It was physically painful to listen to it.

My god in heaven. I had forgotten what a propaganda-wasteland TV ‘news’ is.

There’s a reason we have another Biden in office now.

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Before there can be any real progressive movement in this country they have to let the following sink in: Over 40 million people in this country think Biden is either a socialist or a communist.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by waterfield.

waterfield wrote:

wv wrote:

The last few days I’ve been live-streaming ABC News, NBC News and PBS News to follow the election. I wanted to stream Fox but i guess they didnt have a live-stream.

Anyway, this is the first time Ive actually watched the Corporate-Network-Pundits in many many years. I had forgotten what they are like. It…is…APPALLING how they ALLLLLLLLLLLL sound like David Gergin. He’s the smooth, soothing, civil, moderate-republican from PBS. I mean they ALLLLLLLLLLL push moderate-republican/Dem-Centrist strategies. ALLL of them.

I had to turn it off. It was physically painful to listen to it.

My god in heaven. I had forgotten what a propaganda-wasteland TV ‘news’ is.

There’s a reason we have another Biden in office now.

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Before there can be any real progressive movement in this country they have to let the following sink in: Over 40 million people in this country think Biden is either a socialist or a communist.

A large chunk of the population thought Ike was too, falling for far-right demagoguery. They just couldn’t get together and share their ignorance back then like they can today.

waterfield wrote:

Before there can be any real progressive movement in this country they have to let the following sink in: Over 40 million people in this country think Biden is either a socialist or a communist.

There is a real progressive movement in the country. In terms of what voters want, when polled, they identify with progressive positions, too. It is also true that unlike more advanced democracies (in Europe for example), the USA is still dealing with good old-fashioned red scare tactics. But I will say this. People who warn us about that kind of thing actually reinforce those tactics. Sometimes I even think that’s the point.

zn wrote:

There is a real progressive movement in the country. In terms of what voters want, when polled, they identify with progressive positions, too. It is also true that unlike more advanced democracies (in Europe for example), the USA is still dealing with good old-fashioned red scare tactics. But I will say this. People who warn us about that kind of thing actually reinforce those tactics. Sometimes I even think that’s the point.

wv wrote:

I think its quite complicated. Lots of different political-factions and movements swirling in a vortex of American politics.

Biden/Obama/Clinton/DNC use the same formula over and over to win or sometimes lose elections. They do that because they are moderate-republicans. Thats what they are. So they just do what those people do. And its always the same formula.

The question the progressive movement asks is — Is there another formula that could actually Win? I mean win big. Nationally. Not just a small district like AOC’s etc.

I dont think we know the answer to that question.

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Agree with all of that. Another factor, or two, or three:

Clinton/Obama/Biden/DNC govern like moderate Republicans, but those moderate Republicans no longer exist in the GOP. So what is it they’re mimicking, exactly? A phantom, a mirage, a myth?

Both parties also have their own gravitational pull, and the influence of their “bases,” which alter words and deeds and ideologies. So a “moderate Republican” who actually resides IN the GOP is going to be much, much further to the right than a “moderate Republican” who resides in the Dem Party. They won’t speak or act in the same way. Not ever.

I’d much rather have the kind of society described in Martin Hägglund’s This Life. But if I have to choose between a moderate Republican in Dem clothes, or a moderate Republican in Republican clothes, I’d take the former. And in this election, it was a much easier choice than that:

Moderate Republidem versus fascist POS.

I hope I live long enough to see a true leftist in the White House and leftists controlling Congress, etc. etc. Who then work to change the system entirely: fully realized economic and political democracy.

We can dream.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Billy_T.

Billy_T wrote:

Agree with all of that. Another factor, or two, or three:

Clinton/Obama/Biden/DNC govern like moderate Republicans, but those moderate Republicans no longer exist in the GOP. So what is it they’re mimicking, exactly? A phantom, a mirage, a myth?

Both parties also have their own gravitational pull, and the influence of their “bases,” which alter words and deeds and ideologies. So a “moderate Republican” who actually resides IN the GOP is going to be much, much further to the right than a “moderate Republican” who resides in the Dem Party. They won’t speak or act in the same way. Not ever.

I’d much rather have the kind of society described in Martin Hägglund’s This Life. But if I have to choose between a moderate Republican in Dem clothes, or a moderate Republican in Republican clothes, I’d take the former. And in this election, it was a much easier choice than that:

Moderate Republidem versus fascist POS.

I hope I live long enough to see a true leftist in the White House and leftists controlling Congress, etc. etc. Who then work to change the system entirely: fully realized economic and political democracy.

We can dream.

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Yeah, and predicting the future is impossible. There’s plenty of evidence that the nation will just continue replaying the same ole sorry ass record. Over and over and over. Frankly, there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence pointing in ‘that’ direction.
Look at the Senate. 99-1. I’ll just keep pointing it out, year after year after year. Thats a huge piece of evidence. It just cant be ignored.

And yet, there are also rumblings below the surface. Little rays of progressive light coming thru. An AOC here, a Bernie there. M4A is certainly on track to break through. I kinda think its where Marijuana-legalization was about ten years ago. But who knows.

M4A is such a game-changer though. Marijuana is just not all that important compared to M4A.

But just the fact progressives have to fight another decade to get something the rest of the world has had for ages, says a lot about the Corporotacracy.

70,000,000 Amerikans wanted Trump. Donald Trump. He came within a hair of winning a second term. Thats our country.

And Bernie could not even beat a Biden. So, here we are. Again. Groundhog Day.

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