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  • #97685
    zn
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    Defensive game. Too much pressure on Goff.

    #97727
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    goff was not comfortable. rams could not run the ball.

    #97728
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i hate the patriots.

    i hate brady.

    i hate belichick.

    but damn they outcoached the rams.

    #97729
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I blame McVay. He got a coaching lesson. imo
    I still like him, but he will be a better coach next year.

    Agamemnon

    #97730
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    I blame McVay. He got a coaching lesson. imo
    I still like him, but he will be a better coach next year.

    yeah. still proud of him, but he got schooled.

    proud of the whole team. but they gotta learn from this. now i gotta wonder if whit comes back.

    #97731
    joemad
    Participant

    Too bad Goff and Cooks didn’t connect in the endzone….they had 2 golden opportunities…….

    Oh well, great season.

    I love this team..

    #97733
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I’m reading folks say this was a matter of coaching. That McVay was out-coached by B.

    Not my take at all.

    I put this on the players. On their total lack of execution. I think the O-line was atrocious, failed to open holes (with few exceptions) for the backs, and let the Pats overwhelm Goff. Goff, for his part, played terribly too, IMO. A reversion to his rookie year. He was off on most of his throws, and made too few good throws to matter.

    The D? They played really well, and Peters really surprised me. Of course, when the offense punts the first nine or ten times, that means the D is on the field too long — waaay too long. So it eventually gave up key plays. But 13 points? To Brady? Sheebus but that should be more than enough to win for the Rams.

    My take? The offense was horrifically bad, on the field. I don’t pin this one on the coaches. The players lost this, in my view.

    All of that said, I see the Rams as only getting better. There is no reason why they can’t make it to the Super Bowl next season. They just need to match their regular season play in the post season.

    #97734
    JackPMiller
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    I’m reading folks say this was a matter of coaching. That McVay was out-coached by B.

    Not my take at all.

    I put this on the players. On their total lack of execution. I think the O-line was atrocious, failed to open holes (with few exceptions) for the backs, and let the Pats overwhelm Goff. Goff, for his part, played terribly too, IMO. A reversion to his rookie year. He was off on most of his throws, and made too few good throws to matter.

    The D? They played really well, and Peters really surprised me. Of course, when the offense punts the first nine or ten times, that means the D is on the field too long — waaay too long. So it eventually gave up key plays. But 13 points? To Brady? Sheebus but that should be more than enough to win for the Rams.

    My take? The offense was horrifically bad, on the field. I don’t pin this one on the coaches. The players lost this, in my view.

    All of that said, I see the Rams as only getting better. There is no reason why they can’t make it to the Super Bowl next season. They just need to match their regular season play in the post season.

    A good portion of the Defense is not coming back. Whitworth may not be coming back, aka there is talk that he may retire. If he does, hopefully Notbloom is ready.

    #97735
    Zooey
    Participant

    I don’t know how to tell what’s on the coach. The Rams OL got overwhelmed all game long, and that’s that.

    And Cooks lost two TD passes.

    If you had told me the Patriots would score only 13 points before the game, I would have taken that happily. The Rams defense really played well.

    #97736
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    This is one of the hardest days in a long time. Only 3 points from this offense. Ugh.

    #97737
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i don’t know billy. you might be right.

    you might be right.

    if the rams could have gotten the run game going, totally different game.

    #97738
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Really not a game I’d be proud of winning both teams sucked the pats sucked slightly less but still I doubt pats fans will watch it over and over again.The OL was awful Gurley took his millions and disappeared but next year will be interesting.

    #97739
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I don’t know how to tell what’s on the coach. The Rams OL got overwhelmed all game long, and that’s that.

    And Cooks lost two TD passes.

    If you had told me the Patriots would score only 13 points before the game, I would have taken that happily. The Rams defense really played well.

    Yeah, it’s pretty difficult to suss that out. How do we know if it’s a lousy play call, or a lousy game-plan, versus just a failure to execute, one way or another?

    We’ve all seen what appear to be rotten calls end up as TDs, cuz some player makes a great play . . . and we’ve seen what appear to be good calls fail. All things in between that, etcetera.

    Yeats and his how to tell the dancer from the dance.

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43293/among-school-children

    I have no clue. Which is probably the case in too many, well, um, cases.

    But my first impression is that the Rams offense, on the field, just didn’t have it, and I don’t understand that. They weren’t the same team I watched from September until, basically, the Saints game.

    I don’t get it. I don’t get how an offense can be so dominant for 95% of the season and then play like that in the Super Bowl. It baffles me. It’s not as if the Pats were world-beaters on D during the regular season. They weren’t.

    I’m beyond puzzled.

    #97740
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Really not a game I’d be proud of winning both teams sucked the pats sucked slightly less but still I doubt pats fans will watch it over and over again.The OL was awful Gurley took his millions and disappeared but next year will be interesting.

    Agreed.

    I think a true fan of the game, who wasn’t rooting for either team, would say, meh, to the whole thing.

    Extremely disappointing as a Rams fan of more than 50 years. But I’m guessing football fans, without a horse in the race, weren’t impressed either.

    Again, I’m just baffled by what happened, or didn’t happen.

    #97742
    canadaram
    Participant

    Great defensive game. More rushing attempts by the Rams would’ve been nice to see. I hope the Rams make it to another Super Bowl while I’m still on the green side.

    #97744
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I’m reading folks say this was a matter of coaching. That McVay was out-coached by B.

    Not my take at all.

    You mean me. We disagree, but that is no biggy. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #97745
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Great defensive game.

    yeah. i thought it was a great defensive game.

    rams did a good job on d.

    belichick did a helluva job on defense, and their players executed.

    #97746
    zn
    Moderator

    Yeah, it’s pretty difficult to suss that out. How do we know if it’s a lousy play call, or a lousy game-plan, versus just a failure to execute, one way or another?

    Well if we honestly DON’T know, then, we can’t say that he WASN’T outcoached either.

    In the spirit of “differences are welcome” I’m going to come down on the side of “outcoached.” The rule of thumb on seeing if a team is outcoached is if they are continually stymied in ways that look like the other team has their number. It wasn’t just the OL, the secondary was all over the Rams receivers too.

    I think that the dominant narrative of this game out there is, and will be, that the Patz figured the Rams offense out, and the offense had no answer, and that that was coaching.

    Is it such a stretch that one of the best coaches in the game beat a 2nd year 33 year old head coach? It just looks like the Rams had the hardest time this year against old savvy veteran D coordinators. That includes Detroit, Chicago, Phil, and the Patz. They are a step ahead of him…right now. Doubt that lasts. My hope, and it’s not that hard to imagine it will happen, is that McV will learn from this and the Rams will be better next time around.

    #97747
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I’m reading folks say this was a matter of coaching. That McVay was out-coached by B.

    Not my take at all.

    You mean me. We disagree, but that is no biggy.

    No. Wasn’t trying to be coy, etc. I’ve seen it on other sites. That seems to be an early . . . I don’t know, consensus, so far. The quick read this evening at least among a lot of folks.

    #97748
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    You mean me. We disagree, but that is no biggy.

    ha. well me too.

    and in the end it was probably a combination of factors, but an offense that high powered doesn’t get held to a fg by just not executing. belichick came up with a scheme, and mcvay couldn’t find enough ways to counteract it.

    but he’s young. hopefully, he figures it out, but even if he does, it’s hard to get back to a superbowl.

    just ask reid and payton.

    #97749
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Zn,

    Could it be both/and?

    Out-coached and out-played?

    Chicken and egg follows, etc.

    There were cases, as Romo pointed out, that Goff had opens looks and went elsewhere for incompletions. This tells me, at least on those plays, it wasn’t the call, it was the execution. Cooks dropped a couple too. A huge shame, cuz on those passes, Goff actually was on target.

    So when Goff was on, a receiver was off. When receivers were open, Goff looked elsewhere. When Goff dropped back, he rarely had enough time. Is that suddenly about coaching, in that moment, or is that a failure to hold one’s block?

    These are highly paid professionals, playing in the game of games. They obviously know how to block. They obviously know the plays. But in too many cases today, in this game, they didn’t get the job done.

    Yeah, some of that is gonna be on McVay and company. But they could come up with the most perfect playcall in the universe, and if the players don’t do their part, it dies.

    Both/and? Either/or? I go with the former, with the emphasis on the players.

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    #97753
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i wonder what’s going on with todd.

    i hope he’s ok.

    #97754
    Hram
    Participant

    We should have run more.

    We should have run Gurley more.

    A few toss sweeps or a couple more jet sweeps might have helped.

    Kupp, if healthy, changes this game.

    Defense played phenomenal.

    Cooks missed catches were tough catches. Would have been good if he’d been able to come down with one of them.

    Oline was enh.

    Goff played like the youngest QB to ever play in the super bowl. Still could see the talent.

    I’m glad they played in this game. I hope they get the chance to play it again next year or in the next couple.

    #97755
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Goff played like the youngest QB to ever play in the super bowl. Still could see the talent.

    i gotta believe that goff will use this and get better.

    proud of him. look forward to seeing him play for years to come.

    #97758
    zn
    Moderator

    Deadpool

    A few thought on the SB

    1. I am a bit disappointed, but overall it didn’t emotionally cripple me. I think its because this team is young and this is just 1 more step in winning the big one. This team isn’t building a 1 and done. Not for a core as young as this team is.

    2. The refs had little to nothing to do with the outcome of this game.

    3. The Rams were in this thing and had their chances.
    a. That holding call on Sully on the Gurley run basically wiped out a run that put the Rams in FG range at a minimum to take the lead.
    b. The late throw from Goff to Cooks in the back of the endzone. Literally 1 second earlier and thats 7.
    c. Cooks dropping that dime for a TD.
    d. heck even at the end they were knocking on the door before the zero blitz INT.
    Its not like they got their doors blown off, they represented well. Never lost their cool. It just wasn’t in the cards tonight.

    4. Gurley – he needs to get healthy in the offseason. You combine his injury along with Kupp and they were missing 50% of their weapons and it was just too much to overcome with two weeks of game planning. If he isn’t injured then whatever is going on between him and McVay needs to get fixed.

    5. TEs targeted 1 time? I have no idea what to say there.

    6. The OTs played well according to Seth Walder: Rams offensive tackles Rob Havenstein and Andrew Whitworth had excellent pass blocking games, posting pass block win rates (the percentage of pass plays they sustained their blocks for at least 2.5 seconds) of 94% and 91%, respectively, well above the league average for an offensive tackle of 81%.

    7. The defense played outstanding and basically giving up 10 points to the 4th highest scoring team and holding Brady to no TDs is a win. Esp. being behind the eight ball on field position all game long and losing the ToP battle.

    #97763
    TSRF
    Participant

    Disappointed. Especially since I now have to buy lunch for like 10 people I placed a bet with in Boston.
    I hope we get back to the SB soon, but few teams have been able to repeat except one…

    D was good. We’ll see what happens in the off season.

    #97766
    wv
    Participant

    Strange game.

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    v

    #97767
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    The late throw from Goff to Cooks in the back of the endzone. Literally 1 second earlier and thats 7.

    yeah. goff was late on that throw. at the time i was thinking he’s gotta get that out a half second earlier.

    #97768
    wv
    Participant

    Wade’s defense really showed up during the playoffs. Thirteen points for Brady, in the Super Bowl — are you kidding me?

    Ah well.

    They need to have Kupp healthy next year. They need to have Gurley healthy next year. And they need to get some depth on the OLine. Thats about it.

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    #97778
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    They need to have Kupp healthy next year. They need to have Gurley healthy next year. And they need to get some depth on the OLine. Thats about it.

    well if whit retires, i might crap my pants. i hope noteboom is ready if so.

    i also think they need to upgrade tight end, but that’s low on the list of priorities.

    i’d say a new safety, outside pass rush, oline depth, and defensive end first.

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