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ZooeyModeratorI don’t know what “Death of the GOP” means. The GOP has morphed. But none of those people within the party are having a “Saul on his way to Damascus” moment of conversion to some different set of ideals. What we have is Fruit Basket Upset, not Death. All those forces are going to jockey around over the next couple of election cycles, but they are going to recongeal in some form unless one of the factions splits off to form a third party – and my wager there would be on the Tea Party people because they’re arrogant enough to think they can get their way simply by refusing to compromise on anything, and insisting on it. But I bet that split doesn’t happen. I bet, instead, Paul Ryan, or someone like him, comes out of the 2020 primary, and this year gets written off as an aberration. And while part of me hopes I am wrong about that, I’m afraid the alternative is worse.
One reason I think the GOP isn’t dying is that the Trump Phenomenon is not happening down ticket. All of the congressional seats and governorships are being waged by the usual establishment types of people. For the GOP to really be imperiled, it would have to facing mini-Donalds running for mayor all the way up to the US Senate, but that isn’t happening. It is only the head position that is in disarray. It is business as usual everywhere else. So the Death of the GOP stuff is your standard, lazy media coverage of a horse race, and just another manifestation of humans’ silly egocentrism that imagines that whatever they are experiencing is what everybody else is experiencing. But what is happening in the presidential race is not happening elsewhere.
Yet.
It could be that in 2018, we will see a bunch of Trumps running. In fact, it would surprise me if we don’t. I think a lot of potential candidates are going to copycat Trump’s style next time around, and then we can begin to see what is happening. But my guess is the GOP revolution is just starting rather than peaking at a Crisis Moment from which pieces are going to fall immediately.
That this disarray is well-deserved is what makes it so sweet. When Gingrich first stepped into congress in 1978, he brought with him a bold plan to break the perpetual minority status of Republicans in the house, and it worked. The plan was to hammer away at the theme of a corrupt, over-sized government establishment. Reagan famously got on board with that plan, and the refrain that government was the problem became a truism in American culture, leading to Gingrich’s sweeping revolution in ’94. And they became the Party of Blame. Blame all problems on somebody else. Blame Democrats, blame government, blame minorities, blame victims. Blame Muslims. Blame, blame, blame.
The problem is that the Republicans are now the establishment having dominated the political landscape in varying degrees for the past 35 years, even with a couple of nominal Democrats in the White House. And conditions for working people have worsened. So when you constantly complain that government is the problem, and you are the government, eventually you get the Tea Party and Donald Trump.
Their strategy is now coming back to eat them, but it is far from clear how much damage this attitude which THEY cultivated is going to damage them. Unfortunately, I think it is wishful thinking to foresee the death of the GOP. The conditions suggest to me that the far more likely outcome is increased demand for authoritarianism to cut through the “inefficient, corrupt government.” People are prepared for a house-cleaning. And if you get Donalds running up and down the ticket, it will certainly lead to the death of the GOP, but what replaces it may be far, far worse. The endemic racism, and fear, and economic uncertainty that muddle our culture combined with the rise of the authoritarian nationalism Trump champions suggests to me that the phoenix rising from the Republican party looks an awful lot like this one:

So when you wish for the Death of the GOP, give some thought to what you think is likely to emerge in its place.
ZooeyModeratorWell, I’d say that Connor Cook’s dad is not a rare bread among fathers of football players. Or among fathers of non-football players, for that matter.
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“Three football owners walk into a bar. ..”
ZooeyModeratorYou’ll have to ask Scalia’s family about that ‘cuz they could always have ordered one.
Or been told to not order one. Someone serving that high an office in government demands an autopsy.
Yeah, that probably wouldn’t have aroused the family’s suspicions at all.
Suspicion isn’t the issue. Having the stones to demand an autopsy when told not to is the issue. Much like Ross Perot dropping out of the ’92 presidential election WHILE LEADING. Like the Scalia family they got to Ross too.
But if you believe the government whacked Scalia, and then ordered his family not to ask for an autopsy, then you wouldn’t have believed an autopsy report anyway. Because, frankly, it would be easier and less dangerous to fake an autopsy report than to go around threatening a family and hoping that doesn’t leak out.
ZooeyModeratorDonald Trump is a crap shoot. Honestly, he is a loose cannon, and he scares me.
But there IS something comforting in the fact that absolutely everybody in the Establishment is scared of him, too. Seriously, if Hillary wants to reinstate the draft, everybody thinks, “Well, the situation must be serious.” If Trump wants to reinstate the draft, everybody thinks, “The damn man is crazy.”
Now, that may be a lousy example. My point, though, is that with literally nearly everybody skeptical of Trump in both parties… I mean…the guy has NO credibility. Everything he wants to do is going to be debated on its merits. You know? He doesn’t have blind henchmen in the congress that are going to march the party line. Republicans are tripping all over themselves to declare that he isn’t a Conservative, and Democrats aren’t going to have anything to do with him. In a way, the guy is almost pure in that sense. He can’t do much without congress signing off, and nobody in congress is on his team. The man is a catastrophe, but he is a catastrophe with both parties allied against him. And the more he fails, the more antipathy the Republicans garner, and the more open everyone is to Warren 2020.
Hillary, though, is going to get blamed by everybody for being a progressive when she is to the right of Ronald Reagan. I don’t need the damage to the brand. I don’t know. I am really conflicted. Voting Jill Stein seems Pontius Pilate to me in a way, but that is one possibility. Another is writing in Sanders. Another is voting for Clinton if the race is really close. Another is not voting for Clinton if the race is really close.
I don’t know yet.
In the mean time, I am working to get Sanders up to 60% in California.
ZooeyModeratorI am going tonight with all my seniors. It’s what they wanted to do. I don’t know what’s going on. I never heard of Ultron, and I don’t know what this movie is about. I saw the Avengers first movie, and I like Ironman. But Captain America never captured my interest. In any event, I gather this movie is not a musical, and it wasn’t written by Sam Shephard or David Mamet. Movie starts at 11:30. I will probably be asleep by 12:05.
ZooeyModeratorI’m not doing anything. Other than pushing hard for Sanders up to the moment he is officially out of the running. After that, I have no plans, except to join in the push for the midterms in 2018. My state is not going to go to Trump in November. So I think I’m not likely to be placed in the desperate position of having to drink a quart of whiskey to work up the nerve to vote for Hillary, and then collapsing in sobs on the floor.
What’s this I hear about Maine doing away with super delegates, or forcing them to represent the popular vote?
Is it good whisky?
Does it need to be?
ZooeyModeratorI appreciate what you’re doing Z.
But I don’t buy in. Trump would be worse.
I’ve been putting up with LePage as governor in Maine. Worse is worse.
People can do what they want, and I won’t be trying to talk anyone into anything. So just saying for the record, worse is worse, and that’s how I personally line up with this.
I’m not doing anything. Other than pushing hard for Sanders up to the moment he is officially out of the running. After that, I have no plans, except to join in the push for the midterms in 2018. My state is not going to go to Trump in November. So I think I’m not likely to be placed in the desperate position of having to drink a quart of whiskey to work up the nerve to vote for Hillary, and then collapsing in sobs on the floor.
What’s this I hear about Maine doing away with super delegates, or forcing them to represent the popular vote?
ZooeyModeratorAnybody know when Hard Knocks begins? I’ve never seen the show, and don’t have HBO, but I know a guy who knows a guy.
ZooeyModeratorWell, i dunno if I’d agree that rightwing-radio has caused
an acceptance of uncivil talk and twitter has caused a shortening of attention span, and both have paved the way for Trump.I dunno what lead to Trump, but I know part of it is simply that the Rep Party has been holding some very different factions together for a long time. And now some of those factions are splitting apart. I suspect some of the rightwing supporters who liked Ross Perot, are the ones supporting Trump now.
Somebody interviewed on npr today mentioned that Trump is like a ‘white board’ in that people see in him whatever they want to see.
NPR talked about Hillary and Trump all morning, btw. No mention of Bernie at all. I went to his rally in Morgantown yesterday and there were a couple of thousand folks there. His speech was the best political speech I’ve ever heard in person.
Whats the best pol speech you ever heard ?
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vI believe talk radio made it possible for Trump to speak the way he does. I posted that theory about three months ago, and I still think so. I am surprised you would even doubt it.
I think that blaming Twitter for short attention spans is false, though. People have always searched around for some reason to explain why everyone else is stupid, and 10 years ago, it would have been “sound bite culture” to blame.
I think Trump is the natural harvest for what that party has sown over the past 50 years, but particularly since the rise of Atwater and Limbaugh.
May 5, 2016 at 9:56 pm in reply to: Rams of this moment have 3 Air Raid qbs…can Goff transition? #43484
ZooeyModeratorI don’t need to take up anything with them, but I get your point.
I know the history of this offense which is why I chronicled it. I know what it is.
Moreover, much of why Wentz actually got any play to the Rams as early as he did was because NDSU runs a run-heavy WCO variant that has VERY similar elements to the quasi-WCO run-heavy offense the Rams run.
The parallels allowed for substantial overlap which is why Wentz, the inferior passer with less experience, was seen as the superior option for the Rams by most of the voices I trust like Cosell, Mayock and several others including being mobile and being able to create after a play breaks down.
/shrug.
Point is that with the focus on the Rams for some time, there wasn’t any question the Rams ran a WCO. I call it a “quasi-WCO” because it still has vestiges of the Schotty Coryell elements. Enough seem to have been purged that it’s definitely MORE of a WCO and recognized by those that dissect it as a WCO, but it has…other elements.
It’s a bit of a Franken-offense. Mostly a WCO, though.
Well, surely the Rams adapt their offense to Goff, if not this year, then soon.
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Hillary would be the most disliked presidential candidate in decades if not for Trump.
May 5, 2016 at 6:14 pm in reply to: Paglia on Trump, Hillary's 'restless bitterness" and the end of the elites #43475
ZooeyModeratorPaglia sometimes reminds me of Gore Vidal — not in her political positions, but just in the way she can rip someone to pieces. Ya know. No prisoners. Search and Destroy.
Anyway, I agree with Paglia on this part:
“…The most pernicious aspect of this Democratic campaign is the way the field was cleared long in advance for Hillary, a flawed candidate from the get-go, while an entire generation of able Democratic politicians in their 40s was muscled aside, on pain of implied severance from future party support. It is glaringly obvious, given how well Bernie Sanders (my candidate) has done despite a near total media blackout for the past year, that Hillary would never have survived to the nomination had she had younger, more well-known, and centrist challengers. Hillary’s front-runner status has been achieved by DNC machinations and an army of undemocratic super-delegate insiders, whose pet projects will be blessed by the Clinton golden hoard…”
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vThat’s the same paragraph I copied and pasted on my way down to this point where I discovered you have already drawn attention to it.
Boy, Paglia trashes Hillary on the Woman issue. She found some Brand New Ways to slice Hillary up.
And…the Goiter: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/goiter/basics/definition/con-20021266
ZooeyModeratorOh. Yes.
California switched to Open Primaries a couple of cycles ago.
No need to vote for Trump.
Every Californian who doesn’t like Hillary will vote against her in the primary.
Sanders will win this state.
ZooeyModeratorBernie won Indiana, i see. Nice.
He’s coming to my town on Thursday. Lookin forward to
seein how many folks turn out for ole Bern.I still cannot believe how well he is doin,
given all the usual forces allied against him.Still, Hillary is our next President. Ah well.
At least the Banks and Corporations and wealthy ‘professionals’ will be happy.w
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——-Here’s a thought I had….
I don’t know how much you are following this, but I have been watching with interest. And the media has been a fascinating animal on this primary season because – as you know – Trump has eaten up the lion’s share of media coverage. Every time there is a primary or caucus, the focus is on Trump. I have literally had difficulty tracking the democrat side because I go to google news, and every story is on the Republican primary with news of the horse race, and of who insulted whom, and so on. Finding an article on the democrat side has been actually difficult. Typically, there is a paragraph about the outcome of the vote that concludes that Hillary is still a shoe-in, and then back to the Trump/Cruz/whatever BS storyline.
Well, ya know, the media IS obsessed with the horse race aspect of politics. That has been their primary focus for decades: polls, delegate counts, and so on. Issues…not so much. Unless they come packaged for them by a candidate in a “zinger” or “gotcha” quip.
But now there is nothing to cover on the Republican side. Trump is the last man standing.
Are they suddenly going to discover there is a debate happening in the democrat party?
I think they might. I don’t know if they can stop themselves. They’ve all been toeing the line by ignoring Bernie all year, but that’s the only horse race now. They are going to have to start talking about it.
That isn’t good for Hillary, I don’t think.
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Mack can you address what bnw had to say in his post?I mean, you are preaching to the choir with the rest of us.
Its people who share bnw’s ideas that should be the target
audience. Can there be any meaningful communication between
you and him on this subject?He says the ‘earth has cooled’. Has it?
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vWhy don’t you ask bnw for his evidence?
ZooeyModeratorI loved Obama’s joke when he was talking about journalists leaving.
“Jake Tapper is also leaving journalisim. He’s going to work at CNN.”
He didn’t like THAT joke. But they all know it. The politicians know it–the journalists know it. They all know it.
Exactly. They don’t laugh because it’s true.
If it was obviously false, they would all find it funny.
Like it’s funny when you, I don’t know, make a joke about a man who is famously devoted to his wife being unfaithful to her with all the young women around. Everybody laughs.
But if the guy is well-known to have cheated on his wife multiple times, you get a lot of throats clearing and plastic smiles.
The 4th estate has completely lost its way. It’s been seduced by money and glamour, just like the democrat party, and everybody knows it. Once a year or so, they gather at the White House to be reminded they are complete asshat sellouts.
ZooeyModeratorAnd again I agree with Mack right down the line. The problem was, of course, that everything he said was true. He didn’t even have to use hyperbole, or distort things at all. At least the clip I saw (elsewhere).
Interesting to me was that neither Obama nor Wilmore took a serious shot at Sanders. The jokes each of them dropped on him were pretty soft.
Wolf Blitzer’s face was priceless. This multi-millionaire asshole celebrities take themselves seriously as journalists when they are a disgrace to the profession.
ZooeyModeratorYou’ll have to ask Scalia’s family about that ‘cuz they could always have ordered one.
Or been told to not order one. Someone serving that high an office in government demands an autopsy.
Yeah, that probably wouldn’t have aroused the family’s suspicions at all.
ZooeyModeratorThe Rams are stuck here. I hope I’m surprised. Maybe someone gets hurt and a team gets desperate but they can only hold him so long before deciding between him and Mannion. And something tells me Jeff Fisher just doesn’t want to go into the facilities and see Foles around all the time after the disaster he was.
I see a release in his future.
Unless Mannion completely blows.
ZooeyModeratorIt is scary, actually. I have two kids that are likely to live through some catastrophic events. We are of an age where we will probably live to see only the beginning of the…”re-ordering” of life on the planet. And I agree, the grip of the status quo is iron. I can’t get students to set aside their cellphones for an entire class period. There is no way people are going to give up modern conveniences in order to maybe save the planet.
It looks like the novel “Feed” is more prescient than the author intended.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, this in part is why I’ve completely lost patience with the “lesser of two evils” argument. There isn’t time for whatever Hillary’s plan is – probably a reduction in the level of GROWTH in greenhouse gasses.
I read somewhere that MIT said we had to slam the brakes on greenhouse gasses basically right now in order to have a chance.
This is not time to elect a Great Incrementer.
May 2, 2016 at 2:03 pm in reply to: As of right now the Rams have 13 WRs on the roster (not counting Tavon) #43290
ZooeyModeratorI also wonder if the Pharoh Cooper pick is Tavon’s future replacement. They seem to have similar games and Tavon is going to get costly. I wonder if they looked ahead at that with this pick.
That was the first thing that went through my mind when I read Pharoh described as a Swiss Army Knife. I like Tavon, but there is a salary cap. And, well….
ZooeyModeratorBoy, it would be ballsy to start him week one, in San Francisco, on MNF. Welcome to the Big Time, kid.
I dunno. But it seems to me that if the plan is to play him as soon as possible (i.e. this year), they may as well start from Week 1. Otherwise he isn’t working a full load; he would be working the scout team with backups, and his opportunity to learn diminishes.
Seems to me that they oughta go Week 1 this year, or Week 1 next year. I don’t think Week 9, or whatever, makes sense.
I guess if I had to wager, I would bet he starts Week 1 this year. The future is now.
ZooeyModeratorCooper sounds like a good player. But a slot receiver described as a Swiss Army Knife? Isn’t that what Tavon Austin is?
ZooeyModeratorag had the right idea but then took it down
so I revive it, a long day 3 thread is a fun idea
Rams get 117 and 206 for trade with Chicago.
ZooeyModeratorRaiders just grabbed the Browns’ second pick in the 4th and took Connor Cook. Cook’s gotta be bummed. He has to know that he likely isn’t competing for a starting gig.
What the hell?
April 30, 2016 at 12:12 pm in reply to: temporary sticky: just heads up cause I moved a coupla posts #42935
ZooeyModeratorI moved some discussions of Goff to here:
4/28-? … the Goff pick reaction thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/goff-428/
Mostly they were posts expressing the poster’s view of the pick, but were being buried in “reporters on” threads, where IMO they were getting lost. I also consolidated another thread that was drifting down the board into that one.
If anyone objects to being moved just say so right up front (I am just not sensitive about that) and I will just un-move them back. Easy as pie. And easier than pi.
The people this covers includes Isiah58, PA, Snow, and Zooey.
I object to your moving PA’s post. It should have been left in obscurity.
And what did you do with all of RFL’s posts? It’s kind of sinister the way none of his posts appear on the board anymore.
ZooeyModeratorThey don’t need both of them, do they?
ZooeyModeratorI’m high on Goff, now. I didn’t want Bradford because, like other people, I didn’t think the Rams were ready for him. They are ready for Goff. I think the OL is in pretty good shape – certainly it’s better than it was in Bradford’s time – and I think the WR are better than they’re given credit for. Last season, time and time again, my son and I would scream at Foles because there would be an open WR, and he’d hold the ball, and turn and dump it over to the sideline for a one-yard completion. I think Goff is likely to find those guys more often than Foles or Keenum, and I think he should have a decent rookie year. He has a lot more to work with than Bradford did, and Bradford won the offensive ROY remember.
I also think that if Goff had been on a good team, especially one of the gilded franchises, he would be rated higher. An awful lot of punditry is glitter and bluster, and they don’t have the time to study film of all these players. A lot of punditry is conventional wisdom. What was telling to me…the thing that made me finally good with the trade after being unhappy with it the first few days…was that I read from multiple sources that TEAMS were saying that Goff and Wentz are better than Winston and Mariota. The pundits, you know, week in and week out were watching Alabama games, and Notre Dame, and Oklahoma, and so on. The usual big games. They didn’t watch North Dakota State. Some of them probably watched youtube highlights, but these guys don’t have the time to study everybody, and I think they discounted these guys because they weren’t on TV, basically. So when I heard that NFL scouts liked them better than two QBs who both played decently as rookies last year, I warmed up.
And I just like the intangibles that Goff has. I rate those intangibles higher than “prototype size,” or whatever they are saying about Wentz. Now Wentz may be a good QB, and may turn out better than Goff in the long run, but I think Goff is the safer bet because he has the skills and the intangibles, and I rate that higher than arm strength, and so on.
My only concern is the price tag, but that’s that. That’s what it costs to move up from 15 to 1, and I don’t think the Rams overpaid according to the charts.
So…let’s go.
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