bnw wrote:

================

Trump has been out front in promoting women and minorities yet he’s constantly called a racist. Thats why.

Oh, for chrissakes. He has said that the Mexicans coming here are the worst society has to offer. “When Mexico sends you its people, they’re not sending their best…They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

Never mind that Mexico isn’t “sending” anybody, that statement is appalling, and there is no way to get out of the fact that it is racist. And inflammatory.

He wants to ban ALL Muslims from coming to the US. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and estimates are that 70,000 – 100,000 of them support ISIS. That is racist.

So he employs some Latinos.

That’s supposed to exonerate him from charges of racism?

Hell, plenty of plantation owners employed black people after the Civil War.

NewMexicoRam wrote:

bnw wrote:

The best gift ever to the Trump campaign. The hypocrisy of the insider for all to see. And it is so easy to see. Trump will ride this latest outrage to victory.

I hear that Wikileaks says they will soon have a major release regarding Hillary and the e-mails.
The bomb could fall yet. If so, that would be especially bad for the Dems if release after the convention.

It’s out.

Published yesterday. 1,258 new emails.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286444-wikileaks-publishes-clinton-war-emails

Assange says there is enough to prosecute, but expressed his belief Clinton wouldn’t be prosecuted. And either the FBI has already seen these emails, or they have a new investigation on their hands which will take a few more months to investigate. I haven’t heard anything about the ramifications of this yet.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

I think an indictment after the convention would have been much more beneficial . Anyone not against Hillary at this point is not likely to be swayed by this.Clinton is crushing the Tiny fingered Cheetos faced Ferret wearing Shitgibbon in the poles and will simply manufacture any additional votes needed.Basically it all boils down to we’re fucked.

Yeah, I don’t think Trump gets a boost out of this because all the people who have already convicted Hillary in their minds have already convicted Hillary, and this makes no difference. The independents are more likely to see this from the point of view of “just another example of the right wing making a scandal out of nothing” than as evidence of Hillary’s hypocrisy.

And we are screwed.

Really, it’s Hillary (Nero) staying the course while Rome burns, or Trump (Caligula), a narcissist governed by erratic impulses.

zn wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

I’m no longer voting for the lesser of two evils. I see the logic behind it but ultimately it results in no progress being made towards the type of country I want.

Just tossing in my pennies to the informal poll.

Everyone has to decide for themselves and I don’t figure I will persuade anyone.

But my thinking is, it’s NOW and the prospect of Trump, who really is worse, in there nominating SC and federal judges (among other things) is positively dystopian. I’ve seen worse and worse is worse (Maine had a 3 candidate governors race and a Trump-style guy won with 37% of the vote. People I know said enh, what harm can he do…and, he then showed them what harm he can do).

I will register third party after the election.

Not the kind of thing I want to fight about because no one will convince anyone and no one has to justify their choice.

That’s my motto. Worse IS worse.

….

I watched a 5-minute video on that guy, your governor. There is no denying that he is a colossal dickhead. Just an ignorant, selfish, boorish, POS. When do you get rid of him?

PA Ram wrote:

Zooey wrote:

No. I’m voting for Jill Stein (again).

Both Clinton and Trump, ultimately, are this guy:

Hillary might be Nero but Trump strikes me more the Caligula type.

Good observation.

That’s what we have: Nero or Caligula.

wv wrote:

First off, i didnt even know Pat Buchannon was still alive

Second, i think this ‘free trade / globalization’ issue or cluster of issues is one of the most important topics of our times here on Earth.

I would have loved to see Trump and Sanders have a conversation about it. I’d like to know where they agree and disagree on it.

I like the fact Trump is against the Nafta/WTO stuff. Its why he’s such a wild-card. I cant stand a lot of his ideas…but this Nafta thing is HUGE. It’s what makes me think about the surreal notion that i might prefer Trump to Hillary (which isn’t saying much, but still)

Thing is, i dont agree with his “patriotism” mentality. I dont wanna care more about one human being than another. An american life is not more valuable than a chinese life or a mexican life, or a north korean life or an Iranian life. …Cant we have policies that are good for all-lives ? Yes? No?

w
v
“You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. ”
(1919) GB Shaw

Yes, Trump is tempting on trade.

And he has zero chance of building a wall or deporting 11 million humans.

But I cannot have him appointing justices. He has already said he would appoint justices who would restrict liberties. He has said he will appoint justices who are anti-abortion. And he could appoint up to 3 more justices, and roll in right wing authoritarianism for a generation. Trump is no libertarian. He’s an authoritarian.

bnw wrote:

Zooey wrote:

There is no shame in being totally ugly nowadays. I think that has changed. I think society used to bite its lip a bit before saying ugly things. The fault lines were there, maybe the contempt. But it wasn’t said out loud in polite company.

It IS said out loud now. It’s almost a matter of PRIDE to say ugly things now. A bravado that is commonly mistaken for bravery.

And we have congress flat out refusing to do its job, and unabashedly saying things that are demonstrably false.

I heard on the radio this morning a couple of hosts talking about a guy who accosted Izzy Azalea – whoever that is – at an airport terminal. He approached her (him? Her, I think) and recorded the encounter, asking, “Are you Izzie Azalea?” and she said, “Yes, I am,” or something in a polite and friendly way, and he says, “How does it feel to have single-handedly ruined hip-hop?”

Paraphrasing.

And I thought, “What kind of dick would do something like that?” And he must have been so proud of himself that he uploaded it, or these DJs wouldn’t have known, right? So we live in an era when being a dickhead is actually admired.

Do you feel the same about protesters who go into the Trump rally to disrupt it for their own political end? Outside fine but inside no. But wait he’s male, white, rich, heterosexual and republican. Never mind.

Hey, don’t insult me, okay?

I think silent protest is okay. I think counter-demonstrations/rallies are okay. I think disrupting a rally is rude, including disrupting a Trump rally. I think initiating conflict is counter-productive in its own right.

bnw wrote:

Zooey wrote:

I would love her to get up to 15% so she could get into the debates.

Why would democrats and republicans let anyone else in their debate? Thats why they took it from the League of Women Voters in 2000 to keep Nader and Buchanan from debating with Bush and Gore. If anything has changed it is news to me.

To be eligible, a candidate must poll a minimum of 15% in 5 national polls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

Apparently what they found was that nothing really worked, and that’s why they dropped it?

bnw wrote:

zn wrote:

waterfield wrote:

zn wrote:

For better or for worse we are a country of wolves-at least in the economic sense. It is the price we pay for what we perceive as “freedom”

This is where we disagree. Like all countries our country is a country of policies. It is true that the wolf-friendly have control of the policies. But there are countries with very different or even opposite policies which have as much freedom as we do, if not more.

But I think the sheer size of our country, the huge divergence of interests, the number of people living here, the enormous assimilation of varying cultures and immigrants makes it difficult to compare the United States with other countries

W to be honest I don’t buy that. I think it;s an excuse to naturalize the status quo.

…

I disagree. Monocultures like Japan cannot correlate to the US or UK or France.

And…where did you get the idea that Japan is a “monoculture?”

I like Ike for all the reasons you mention, although I must throw in that he didn’t resist McCarthy until McCarthy started going for people in the Pentagon.

FDR for me. He had flaws, too, but certainly made a lot of progress, and had the country headed in the right direction.

wv wrote:

I think you have a bit of a blind-spot when it comes to this “leftists are dogmatic” thing. Just because we dont agree with what YOU call ‘moderate dems’ or ‘moderate reps’ doesn’t make us ‘dogmatic’ — it just mean we disagree totally, and completely with Dems and Reps on some very fundamental policies. THEY disagree with us too — why dont you call the ‘moderates’ dogmatic ?

w
v

Well, he is in a minority on this board, and probably feels besieged every time he posts politics here. I think Waterfield is as honest in his views as can be reasonably expected of humans, and he practices what he preaches by working with charities and fundraisers and neighborhood/community building stuff. It must be a little odd to him to step into this particular corner of the world and find his politics criticized by a tag team of leftists.

Robert Kagan is hosting a find raiser for her, Waterfield. He is a co-founder of PNAC, the ideological foundation of neo – conservatism. And I just want to clarify that my personal dislike for Clinton will not be a factor in how I will vote. You asked a question, and I answered it.

Screw George Will.

Vonnegut once called him an A+ student. And that’s about right. He organizes his thoughts, and writes articulately, and honestly gathers his facts, and there is nowhere you can mark him down in his essay. He gets an A+.

He is also full of shit from cap a pied, but you can’t mark down his grade for that.