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    Which circle of Hell did we just descend into?

    Let’s replace the racist, sexual predator billionaire president from New York with a racist, sexual predator billionaire from New York.

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    The Long List of Reasons Why I Will Never Vote for Pete Buttigieg
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    https://medium.com/@ronaldwdixon/the-long-list-of-reasons-why-i-will-never-vote-for-pete-buttigieg-b4279c1fbd6f

    Earlier this year, I published a long blog post detailing the many reasons why I would not vote for former Vice President Joe Biden if he became the Democratic nominee. Unfortunately, many of the other candidates vying for the nomination are almost as deplorable as Biden, and former South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg is no exception.
    Buttigieg does not have the same level of experience as Biden, but what little we know about him shows that he failed as a small-town mayor and is willing to flip-flop, take money from the wealthy, and outright lie in order to attract supporters, and if he were to nab the nomination, I would be unable to support him because 1) I would not really know for certain what he truly stands for entering the general election, 2) he is prone to flip-flopping under the influence of special interests, whereby making any of his campaign promises illegitimate, 3) what little experience he has gained was fraught with controversy, 4) many of his ideologically-consistent views and proposals are deeply troubling and hardly progressive, and 5) he has demonstrated a sheer lack of ethical backbone and no interest in being truthful with the American people.
    As I did in my thorough analysis of Biden’s record, I will present my arguments in the form of an alphabetized list. Feel free to use the search function (CTRL + F) to locate a specific topic.
    If you have any suggested additions or revisions, please feel free to let me know! Otherwise, on with the list:
    Austerity: Buttigieg has signaled his support for austerity measures aimed to reduce the deficit. His rhetoric, though, virtually mirrors what we see from neo-liberal “deficit hawks” who go after social safety net programs while giving tax breaks to the rich and further bloating the military. Buttigieg notes that his austerity advocacy is “not fashionable in progressive circles”, but the reason austerity is not “fashionable” with us is because it is based on conservative economic theories that 1) fly in the face of basic macroeconomics, where the government investing in programs and efforts that help the American people would make our country more fiscally solvent in the long-term, 2) have consistently failed the middle and lower classes, originating with President Reagan’s “trickle-down” policies, and 3) harm the bulk of the American people while simultaneously benefiting the rich and doing nothing to address the debt without sado-masochistically harming the most disadvantaged members of society.
    Buttigieg talking with wealthy donors at a billionaire-sponsored wine cave event in 2019.
    Buttigieg talking with wealthy donors at a billionaire-sponsored wine cave event (2019).
    Billionaire Support: Buttigieg receives donations from 40 billionaires and their spouses, much larger than the zero billionaires who donate to Bernie Sanders’ campaign. Whereas Sanders actively rejects money from billionaires, Buttigieg welcomes them with open arms, drinking alcohol with them in the wine caves of the rich and powerful as they advise him on policies that would benefit the elite at the expense of the American people.
    Bulldozing Homes in Black and Latinx Communities: Mayor Buttigieg’s administration implemented a program which heavily pressured poor, disproportionately African American and Latinx homeowners to vacate their properties so the city could bulldoze them in an attempt to gentrify these portions of the city. Specifically, Buttigieg’s municipal government employees would threaten community members whose homes were placed on the demolition list with hefty fines and penalties for violating city codes, hoping that they would give-up so the city could tear down their homes. While some homeowners eventually received support to help bring their homes up to code, many homes were still demolished under Buttigieg’s watch.
    Called Striking Workers “Social Justice Warriors”: In his memoir, Buttigieg referred to striking food workers at Harvard as “social justice warriors”, a right-wing term universally used as a pejorative against progressives, usually feminists specifically.
    Campaign Doesn’t Offer Health Insurance: Whereas the Bernie Sanders campaign for president offers their employees comprehensive health insurance, including access to mental healthcare, as well a union contract, the Pete Buttigieg campaign does not offer health insurance at all, instead providing employees with a stipend to buy their own insurance off of the Obamacare exchanges. In contrast, even Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign offered it’s employees health insurance.

    Buttigieg pledging not to take money from banks during his campaign for Indiana State Treasurer (2010). He later flip-flopped when running for president.
    Conflict of Interests: In 2010, while running for the Indiana State Treasurer’s office, Buttigieg said that he would not take money from banks that would do business in his office because it would create a conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict of interest. Later on in the interview, he swore to not take any bank contributions. He later flip-flopped, accepting millions of dollars in campaign contributions from Wall Street and even hiring a Goldman Sachs executive as his national policy director.
    Environment: Given the impact that climate change has already had on our lives, and given the fact that the lack of immediate action will result in an utter catastrophe for human civilization, presidential candidates need to push for environmental plans that seek to immediately mitigate and reverse climate change. Whereas Sanders’ Green New Deal plan calls for $16 trillion worth of investments that would lead us to a future where renewable energies are the norm while reaching net-zero carbon emissions by 2030, the Buttigieg plan would only invest about $2 trillion and reach the same emissions goal by 2050. Given how we are already beyond the “point of no return”, according to some environmental experts, such a milquetoast plan is far too inadequate to address the global challenges of climate change.

    Buttigieg arguing that incarcerated felons should lose the right to vote (2019).
    Felon Voting: Buttigieg argued during a CNN townhall that incarcerated felons should not have voting rights, a stark contrast the Bernie Sanders’ view that felons are still citizens who ought to be able to engage in the democratic process.
    Healthcare: Prior to running for president, and even during the early days of his campaign, Buttigieg touted a Medicare for All, universal healthcare approach to solving the international disgrace that is our current system of allowing private insurance companies to gatekeep essential healthcare access. While he previously supported healthcare as a human right, which can only be achieved through a universal healthcare system, Buttigieg now supports what he calls “Medicare for All Who Want It”, a neo-liberal program which doesn’t guarantee healthcare at all. Instead, it provides a “public option” that still requires patients to deal with co-pays, deductibles, out-of-pocket maximums, co-insurance, in-network availability, and all of the other problems associated with private insurance…except replacing the insurance company with the government. In contrast, a true universal healthcare program makes surprise bills and upfront costs relics of the past, instead allowing you to go to the doctor in exchange for slightly higher taxes, a system that would save us all money.
    What makes Buttigieg’s plan even more egregious, though, is that he would implement a “supercharged” version of the previous Obamacare tax penalty, which would automatically enroll people into the public option if they don’t have insurance and then, likely during tax season, retroactively charge them for premiums. Whereas the Affordable Care Act charged an annual fine equal to the greater of $695 or 2.5 percent of their income (before it was ruled unconstitutional), ButtigiegCare could stick those who already couldn’t afford insurance (public or private) with more than $7,000 in fines. A universal healthcare system, meanwhile, would not include any fines; you simply receive healthcare and pay a modest tax on earned income, a tax that’d be far less than what most Americans pay for premiums, let alone co-pays, deductibles, and other surprise medical bills.
    Another challenge that the Buttigieg plan would face is that it assumes that it has the capacity to automatically enroll low-income members, who would receive free or low-cost insurance, depending on their financial situation. Whereas a true universal healthcare plan would be free to anyone who visits a doctor’s office or hospital, Buttigieg’s alternative assumes that the government knows every single individual’s financial situation in real-time or that our bureaucracy is large enough to be able to identify all of these individuals, particularly those who never register or apply for other government benefits, such as housing support or Medicaid.
    The Buttigieg plan is also the textbook definition of a neo-liberal farce; instead of providing healthcare as a public good, the poor must go out of their way to prove that they are poor enough to receive this service, a screening process which will needlessly expand our bureaucracy and allow millions of Americans to slip through the cracks, an outcome that would be all but impossible under a true universal healthcare system. And how do you even begin going about the process of continuously auditing the citizenry to ensure that their income matches how much they should pay? The plan is needlessly convoluted and neo-liberal beyond repair.
    Unfortunately, this is one of the many examples where Buttigieg originally took the progressive position (universal healthcare) and then took a sharp-right turn after receiving large contributions from Wall Street, even going as far as to outright lie about his consistency on the issue. Buttigieg has allowed the rich to ethically compromise him through his recent opposition to a true universal healthcare system, a program which would save lives and encourage us to actually receive the care that we need.
    As a side note: Buttigieg recently argued in a tweet that a true universal healthcare system would take away health insurance from union workers who already have decent insurance coverage. Unfortunately, Buttigieg’s weaponization of unions in his crusade against universal healthcare is fallacious and offensive to actual union organizations and negotiators. First, not all union employees have good insurance. Second, the ones who do generally only have it because the union fought vigorously for it, at the expense of other benefits, such as pay increases, investments in their retirement plans, paid parental leave, and student loan debt forgiveness. Third, a universal healthcare program would free unions to negotiate for the above benefits and more without having to disproportionately focus on the employers’ attempts to push insurance costs onto their workers. Fourth, union plans, while generally superior to most other plans, are worse than universal healthcare, which provides all services with no costs in exchange for a modest tax. Even the best insurance plans come with the price of lower wages and/or higher deductibles. Fifth, most Americans are not unionized, so this debate completely and totally ignores their needs.
    At the end of the day, Buttigieg needs to stop weaponizing unions in his corporatist attacks against Bernie Sanders and Medicare for All.

    Higher Education: Buttigieg slammed universal higher education in a campaign ad because it would benefit the children of rich parents. In reality, though, public goods ought to be available for everyone. Otherwise, you require recipients of these programs and services to prove that they have less means than the wealthy while the rich kids are, by and large, more likely to go to expensive private schools anyway. By the neo-liberal logic proposed by Buttigieg, we ought to means test K-12 education, which we clearly will not do because education is a public good. Additionally, Buttigieg is opposed to universal student debt cancellation, a plan that Sanders touts on the campaign trail.
    Immigration: During the first Democratic debate, Buttigieg voiced the opinion that the federal government should decriminalize illegal border crossings. Specifically, after raising his hand when the question was asked of all of the candidates whether they support decriminalizing illegal border crossings and making them civil offenses, Buttigieg said the following:
    Let’s remember, that’s not just a theoretical exercise. That criminalization, that is the basis for family separation. You do away with that, it’s no longer possible. Of course it wouldn’t be possible anyway in my presidency, because it is dead wrong.
    During the second Democratic debate, however, when challenged on his views concerning border crossings, he flip-flopped, declaring that “illegally crossing the border will still be illegal,” brushing off the debate over “the finer points of which parts of this ought to be handled by civil law and which parts ought to be handled by criminal law”. He later said that it should remain criminalized when “fraud is involved”.
    Instead of holding a consistently progressive view that supports immigrants fleeing their native countries who have personally witnessed the failures of our broken immigration system while simultaneously dealing with life-or-death situations that forced them to escape to the United States in the first place, a qualified progressive candidate should stand firm in their support for immigrants, not waiver at the slightest bit of pushback, as Buttigieg has done.
    McKinsey & Company: Shortly after graduating from Oxford University, Buttigieg decided to accept a consulting position at McKinsey & Company, a “cult-like management consulting firm” which has been involved in, among other things, advising companies to perform mass layoffs to save money, dealings with authoritarian governments, such as China and Saudi Arabia, and working with Purdue Pharma, the ones who predatorily went after chronic pain patients and got many Americans addicted to OxyContin. In his auto-biography, he argued that he joined the company to gain real-world experience, a faulty argument, given the fact that a graduate of an elite university would have been able to find employment at an ethical business or organization relatively easily. Instead of admitting regret for working for such a large corporation, he said that it was an “intellectually informing experience.” He also downplayed his experience, noting that he merely worked on PowerPoint presentations, even though one of his projects involved working on a contract in Afghanistan that explored how best to extract natural resources. When it suits him, though, he will positively tout his McKinsey experience, declaring that “I cut my teeth in the business community” while working for the firm.
    The press release showing supposed support for Buttigieg’s “Douglas Plan for Black America”.
    The press release showing supposed support for Buttigieg’s “Douglas Plan for Black America”. Top “endorsers” Devine and Cordero didn’t actually endorse the plan, and Thigpen is a Sanders supporter (2019).
    Mischaracterizing Support for the Douglas Plan: In response to Buttigieg’s persistent near zero percent support among the African American community, his campaign unveiled the “Douglas Plan for Black America”. In an attempt to make Buttigieg look good with black voters, his campaign published a letter allegedly signed by over 400 prominent South Carolina supporters, with African American leaders highlighted near the top of the letter. The problem, though, was that many of them were not Buttigieg supporters; the campaign sent a letter to these leaders asking them to opt-out of having their name included on the press release, so many of those listed did not expressly give any consent for their names to be used. It also turns out that approximately half of those listed on the letter are white people, some were repeats, and many did not live in South Carolina at all. There was even a Bernie Sanders surrogate listed. To make matters even worse, one of the stock images used to promote the plan was taken in Kenya.
    Opportunity Zones: Buttigieg has praised the concept of “opportunity zones”, where the wealthy develop unused or unoccupied land tax-free. While Buttigieg supports such programs for allegedly benefiting municipalities, what they actually do is gentrify communities, giving tax breaks to build luxury condos that only benefit the wealthy while displacing poor, disproportionately minority residents from their homes. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, has criticized the concept of opportunity zones, which are one of the many regressive fixtures of President Trump’s 2017 tax law, and progressives in Congress are fighting to get rid of this opportunity zone program altogether.

    Buttigieg defending the racist Tea Party during his appeal to conservative voters while running for Indiana State Treasurer (2010).
    Praise for the Tea Party: During Buttigieg’s failed run for Indiana State Treasurer in 2010, he attended a conservative event to try and win their support. During his speech, he praised the Tea Party, insisting that they are “motivated by real concerns about the direction of our government.” The Tea Party is a Koch-funded, racist organization that helped to societally legitimize the bigotry that they kept closeted until Barack Obama became president.

    Jordan Chariton confronting a Buttigieg staffer over his African American video journalist’s press credentials being yanked from him (2020).
    Racially Profiling Black Journalists: During a New Hampshire rally, Jamal Jones, a progressive African American video journalist, had his press credentials physically yanked away by a Buttigieg campaign staffer who was previously stalking him. When a colleague of his, Jordan Chariton, confronted a staffer about the incident, she said that it was because he was being “disruptive”. When Jordan pressed further, asking how interviewing those waiting in line to attend the event was “disruptive”, and asked if this is how the campaign treats the press, the staffer walked away.
    South Bend Police Department Controversy: As Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Buttigieg fired the city’s first African American police chief, Darryl Boykins, for exposing racism within the department by recording racist conversations between other police officers. Boykins was later reinstated, but in a demoted position. He received a $50,000 settlement with the city after he sued for racial discrimination. Additionally, Karen DePaepe, a city official who listened to the recordings and preserved the most damning conversations, was also fired by Buttigieg, and she also won a lawsuit against the city, costing municipal taxpayers $235,000. Buttigieg has refused to release the tapes to the public.
    Supreme Court and Electoral College Reforms: At the start of his presidential campaign, Buttigieg called for abolishing the Electoral College and increasing the number of Supreme Court Justices, along with other reforms to the nation’s highest courts. After his financial bundlers told the campaign that these two issues were not popular, though, Buttigieg dropped these ideas from his campaign, thus further showing the impact that special interests have had on his candidacy.
    Trade: During the Iowa democratic debate, Buttigieg indicated that he supports the United States Mexico Canada Agreement (USMCA), Trump’s take on the failed North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that offers very little improvements while still allowing large corporations to focus on profits over the well-beings of their employees. The new deal also fails to implement any job creation requirements, and it has no language that addresses climate change at all. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, opposes Trump’s trade agreement.
    Universal Childcare: Unlike Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg opposes funding universal childcare, instead allowing parents to apply for tax credits, a complex process which would require parents to 1) either learn the tax code or seek help from a preparer, 2) have the means to pay for the childcare until they receive the yearly credit, and 3) even know about the credit in the first place, as opposed to the benefit being made universal for all parents with young children.
    As this article has demonstrated, Buttigieg is not fighting for the best interests of the American people. Indeed, when considering the fact that he has been ethically compromised by the rich, has a failed history as Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, regularly deploys conservative talking points, and actively fights against progressive policies that would actually universally benefit the American people, and, instead, backs neo-liberal alternatives that would do little to reverse climate change, reduce wealth disparities, achieve true universal healthcare, make education a public good, and mitigate the power that the rich and powerful have over our country, we ought to come to the conclusion that Buttigieg should not be the one to challenge Trump this November. We simply cannot afford more of the same, and I would much rather have a progressive rematch in 2024 than being forced to defend Buttigieg’s mediocre first term as president against a conservative insurgent.
    A Buttigieg presidency would fail to resolve the underlying symptoms that led us to Trump, and anointing him as the standard-bearer for the party would either make it more likely for Trump to win re-election or, in the long-term, allow an even more reactionary Republican to beat the Democrats in 2024 or 2028. Only Bernie Sanders brings the systematic reforms, the “revolution”, that we need to address widespread inequality and clean-up the federal government. Anything less only allows these problems to continue festering, regardless of which party is in power.
    Therefore, I cannot, in good conscience, support Buttigieg if he wins the Democratic nomination. Alternatively, like I said if Biden were to get the nomination, I would likely vote for the Green Party candidate.

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    Here is a comprehensive Media Hates Sanders article with screenshots: Too difficult to cut and paste with all the images and videos.

    The Bernie Blackout Is Real, and These Screenshots Prove It

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    in reply to: the 4-box graph charts all the candidates #111348
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    Ah, the sheer diversity of choice in the United States of America. No wonder we are the envy of the world. 84 versions of the same thing.

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    Hell, yeah. More of this, please.

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    I am going to endorse the following candidates: Pete Buttigieg, Elizatbeth Warren, Joe Biden, Amy Klobuchar, Mike Bloomberg, and if all else fails, Donald Trump. Thank you.

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    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #111326
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    in reply to: Krystal Ball on Fox being friendlier than MSNBC #111269
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    there’s nothing extreme about Trump’s views from a GOP perspective. He wants the same things they all want – deregulation, tax breaks for the rich, elimination of social programs…He’s just more brazen about it.

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    True, but its not the whole story is it. I mean if you ask TRUMP SUPPORTERS, about how THEY experience him, they will often say he is Anti-Establishment. He’s played that card masterfully. He blew up all his Rep Opponents with that tactic.

    So while leftists like us, might see him as just a Super-Rep, THEY see him as an ANTI-establishment-REP.

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    Right. But that’s because they see the establishment as professors who know things, and come to conclusions that require them to adjust.

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    Here’s a question, I’d like to ask Tucker Carlson. He sees that the Dem-Establishment (CNN, Networks, NYTimes, MSNBC, DNC) are smearing/ignoring Bernie and promoting/cheerleading ‘the great centrist hope’ (whoever it might be).

    So Tucker (and a lot of other righties) SEE that. The comment on it a lot.

    But in their rightwing minds what do they think the REASON for that is?
    I mean if they think everyone on the left is a commie, then why would the establishment be against Bernie? He’s just another commie, in a sea of commies.

    The righties never really flesh out WHY they think the MSM-Dems hate Bernie.

    Of course if they were to say/see that the Dem-MSM hates Bernie because he is far-left and Biden-Klobochex are really pro-corporate-capitalists….well, that would go against their general-election-mantras that “Hillary/Biden are wacko far left commies…”

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    Yep. They don’t flesh it out.

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    I think that FOX gives the Left a bit more room to explain itself than MSNBC and CNN do. We are all familiar with the difficulty Leftists have in communicating with Liberals. Liberals are unnerved by Leftists. We see it again and again. We make them uncomfortable.

    The right, though, can’t really see the difference. Hillary Clinton is a godless communist, and the rest of the left just fades out into the distance like a desert highway. All they know is that we annoy Liberals, and the enemy of my enemy….

    Unwittingly, they are going to allow the Left to pick off some of those white, working-class types (who SHOULD be Leftists) who have gone their whole lives without hearing anyone address their issues. Trump did…but he lied about it. A few of them are recognizing that Trump lied. I have to think that a few FOX viewers listened to Sanders the other day, all prepared to be outraged, and kinda though…”that actually does make a little bit of sense.” So…

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    It’s a long article. Here is the tl;dr. Not Hacksized, but edited for length.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944

    …In 2016, the election that truly embarrassed the experts, Bitecofer was teaching in her new job and didn’t put together a forecast. She doesn’t pretend she saw it coming: She says she was as surprised Trump won as anyone else, but what struck her in examining the results, and what she saw as getting lost in the postelection commentary, was exactly how many people voted third party—for the Greens, the Libertarians or Evan McMullin, a former CIA operative who was running on behalf of the “Never Trump” wing of the Republican Party.

    Hillary Clinton had run an entire campaign built around classic assumptions: She was trying to pick off Republicans and Republican-leaning independents appalled by Trump. So she chose a bland white man, Tim Kaine, as a running mate; it also explained her policy-lite messaging and her ads. But in the end, almost all of those voters stuck with the GOP. The voters who voted third party should have been Democratic voters—they were disproportionately young, diverse and college educated—but they were turned off by the divisive Democratic primary, and the Clinton camp made no effort to activate them in the general election.

    As she delved further into the data on 2016, Bitecofer noticed something else. As much as the media had harped on the narrative that a majority of white women had voted for Trump, the election also signaled the first time that a majority of college-educated white men had voted for the Democratic Party. There was a long-term-realignment happening in America, and 2016 had accelerated it.

    Part of Bitecofer’s job involved polling Virginia, and she saw a Democratic counterwave building there in 2017. She noted to Democrats in the state that they should spend resources in areas that had traditionally been off limits. Had they done so, Bitecofer says, they could have flipped the Legislature that year. (Instead it flipped in 2019.)

    When 2018 rolled around, she saw what was coming: “College educated white men, and especially college educated white women,” she said, “were going to be on fucking fire.”

    It didn’t matter who was running; it mattered who was voting. From there, the model followed. She put out her forecast for the general election when there were still candidates battling it out in primaries.

    Bitecofer’s view of the electorate is driven, in part, by a new way to think about why Americans vote the way they do. She counts as an intellectual mentor Alan Abramowitz, a professor of political science at Emory University who popularized the concept of “negative partisanship,” the idea that voters are more motivated to defeat the other side than by any particular policy goals.

    …she maintains that actual swing voters are a small percentage of the result, even in counties where the vote swing is as large as Wasserman describes. Don’t talk to people in the bleachers of rallies; check the voter file, she says. “It would be one thing if that county had 100,000 people in it who voted in 2012, and then it was the same 100,000 who voted in 2016, but that is not what is happening,” she says. “The pool of who shows up changes.”

    …But still, the results bore out her theory: For Democrats to win, they need to fire up Democratic-minded voters. The Blue Dogs who tried to narrow the difference between themselves and Trump did worse, overall, than the Stacey Abramses and Beto O’Rourkes, whose progressive ideas and inspirational campaigns drove turnout in their own parties and brought them to the cusp of victory.

    …But the electorate that elected Donald Trump in 2016 and the electorate that gave Democrats control of the House in 2018 might as well have been from two different countries, Bitecofer says. The first was whiter, had less college education and lived in more rural parts of the country than the second, which was more diverse, better educated and more urban than its counterpart from two years prior. That change had nothing to do with Democrats luring swing voters with savvy messaging, and everything to do with a bunch of people, who were appalled by the president, showing up at the polls, wanting to make their feelings known.

    Once you know the shape of the electorate, she argues, you can pretty much tell how that electorate is going to vote. And the shape of the electorate in 2018, and 2020, for that matter, was determined on the night of November 8, 2016. The new electorate, as she forecasts it, is made up mostly of people who want a president named anything but Donald Trump, competing with another group that fears ruin should anyone but Donald Trump be president.

    The first group, the Democratic universe of voters, now includes some very strange bedfellows, everyone from former Bush speechwriter David Frum to Susan Sarandon. It includes Al Sharpton and also the chief strategists for both Mitt Romney and John McCain’s failed presidential bids. It is Americans who are college-educated, who are not white or who live in or near a major urban center. This group turned out in force in the 2018 midterms, much the same way Tea Party voters showed up in 2010 to express their unhappiness at Obama. The more candidates talked about Trump and what a threat he was to their way of life, the more partisans were activated.

    ...Although the ranks of independents are growing, up to 40 percent by some surveys, Bitecofer says campaigns have spent entirely too much time courting them, and the media has spent entirely too much caring about their preferences. The real “swing” doesn’t come from voters who choose between two parties, she argues, but from people who choose to vote, or not (or, if they do vote, vote for a third party). The actual percentage of swing voters in any given national election according to her own analysis is closer to 6 or 7 percent than the 15 or 20 most analysts think are out there, and that larger group, Bitecofer says, are “closet partisans” who don’t identify with a party but still vote with one. (The remaining 6 percent or so of true independents, she says, tend to vote for whoever promises a break with the status quo.)

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    Wonk isn’t the right word. I do think Clinton’s intelligence contrasted with Bush Sr’s perceived muddled speech, and Obama’s intelligence contrasted with Jr’s buffoonery. I’m over-simplifying, and don’t mean to advance this as anything more than a “notion” I’ve had. There was an interesting article I read – yesterday, I think – about a political analyst who argues that policies don’t have anything to do with it, really. It’s about voter turnout. I think the main argument is that there is actually no such thing as swing voters. The idea of appealing to independents is just wrong. People are more motivated to come out and vote AGAINST something, than FOR something. I will see if I can find it.

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    O Lord. This could make you vomit. Listen to Chris Matthews. Omg.
    Bernie “is not happy, not joyous,” but Klobachex “finds a way to care about problems in a positive, empathetic way…”

    Klobachex is the NYTimes candidate — the new corporate-centrists great hope at this point.

    What a corporate-country.

    I am pleased to learn that Klobber cares about problems. I wish I had known that before I made up my mind.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-now-front-runner-moderates-may-be-too-divided-n1135596

    Bernie Sanders is now the front-runner. And moderates may be too divided to stop him

    By Sahil Kapur and Shaquille Brewster
    MANCHESTER, N.H. — Victorious in New Hampshire on the heels of a popular-vote win in Iowa, Bernie Sanders has forced the Democratic establishment to reckon with a prospect it has been dismissing: He’s currently the favorite to win the party’s presidential nomination.

    The independent senator from Vermont has seen his fortunes rise since Iowa, leapfrogging Joe Biden, the struggling former vice president, as the front-runner in two national surveys of Democratic voters — ahead by 8 points in a Quinnipiac University poll and 10 points in a Monmouth University poll. At a jubilant election night party here, he told a cheering crowd that his victory in the state was “the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.”

    The prospect was causing waves of anxiety in the Democratic Party.

    “A lot of mainstream and moderate Democrats are growing increasingly nervous with the prospect of Bernie Sanders as the nominee,” said Jonathan Kott, a Democratic strategist and a former senior adviser to centrist Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va.

    They have reason to be concerned. Sanders is consolidating self-identified liberal voters while moderate and conservative Democrats are split, attracted in similar numbers to the candidacies of Biden, former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and a rising Mike Bloomberg, the billionaire entrepreneur and the former mayor of New York, who is skipping the early states but blitzing the national airwaves in preparation for the crucial Super Tuesday contests on March 3.

    The Monmouth poll found Sanders nearly lapping the field with 39 percent among liberals, ahead of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who finished third in Iowa and fourth in New Hampshire. Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Sanders split the support of moderates and conservatives, each one in the teens within a 6-point spread covering the four.

    Lee Stempel, an attorney based on Long Island, said he’s torn among Biden, Buttigieg and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar in the New York primary — but he hopes the middle-of-the-road candidates consolidate behind one alternative in time to stop Sanders.

    “I’m not voting for Bernie and I’m not voting for Elizabeth Warren,” Stempel said after attending a Biden event here in Manchester. “The two of them are like the kid that runs for high school president who promises pizza and ice cream every day for lunch and can’t deliver.”
    {If I may impose myself into this article at this point, I must say I love this argument. Essentially – and old Lee Stempel is just one of thousands of people making this argument – what he is saying is, “I’m not going to vote for what I want because I can’t get it, so I’m voting for what I don’t want because I WILL get it.” Beyond that…I would like to just mention in passing that our high school cafeteria serves pizza and frozen yoghurt every day}.

    Nominating Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, would represent a sea change for a party that has spent a quarter-century picking moderates and institutionalists for the White House — from Bill Clinton in 1992 to his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in 2016.{Everyone should take a moment to savor that sentence}.

    For the Democratic establishment, Sanders represents discomfort on substance and politics. Many lawmakers in the party prefer to pursue incremental change and are uneasy with his more radical and populist prescriptions for health care and education policy. They also fear that Sanders would alienate affluent and suburban voters who helped them capture the House majority in 2018.

    “Congressional and down-ballot candidates will have a difficult time running with him on the ticket while they oppose his core policy positions like ‘Medicare for All,’ his version of a Green New Deal and free-everything government programs,” Kott said, adding that while Democrats agree with the need to address climate change and health care needs, “they disagree with him on the solutions, and you’ll see after tonight that nearly 75 percent of Democrats oppose Bernie’s plans.”

    Or as Biden told New Hampshire voters recently: “Donald Trump is desperate to pin the label of ‘socialist’ on our party. We can’t let him do that.” {Cuz remember how being called a socialist destroyed Obama}.

    Sanders rejected those concerns in an interview Tuesday before the New Hampshire polls closed, suggesting that Democratic establishment figures are wrong about what “electable” means.

    “The world has changed,” Sanders told NBC News. “Now whatever you may say about Trump and — you know, I think he has been a disaster for this country and the most dangerous president in the modern history of America — but whatever you can say about him, he is not conventional. And I think we’re going to need an unconventional campaign to defeat him.”

    The Sanders theory of the case is about mobilization. His advisers point to the estimated 100 million Americans who were eligible to cast a ballot in 2016 but sat out the election, arguing that many of them are disaffected voters who believe neither major party represents their interests — and that Sanders is uniquely well positioned to activate them.

    “I like his consistency. I like how he stands up for the working class. I’ve got a wife with student debt. I’ve got kids. I’ve got unexpected medical bills. So he speaks to me on that,” said Raphael Fraga of Andover, Massachusetts, who came to see a recent Sanders rally in New Hampshire.

    “I think we have the most loyal, die-hard supporters,” Fraga added. “It’s kind of a perfect counterbalance to what Trump did last election.”

    Buttigieg, the runner-up in New Hampshire, has an overwhelmingly white base — facing a major obstacle in subsequent states that are more diverse than Iowa and New Hampshire. Despite an impressive Iowa showing, his support among black voters nationally was a mere 4 percent in the Quinnipiac poll, and his support among nonwhite voters was just 8 percent in the Monmouth poll.

    In the hours after Iowa, the Sanders campaign openly worried about Buttigieg’s surge to a close finish in that state’s mixed-result caucuses. They shifted their strategy from one that was Biden-focused to one that was Buttigieg-targeted, hitting the former mayor for his high-dollar fundraising.

    It helped that Klobuchar, who finished a surprising third place in New Hampshire, spent the closing days before the primary pillorying Buttigieg as a neophyte who lacks the heft for the presidency.

    “It sure helped stop his momentum,” one senior Sanders aide said of Buttigieg. He “pulled into a tie late last week, so it was Bernie’s effort on Friday, followed up by the debate and Biden’s ad, and the sustained collective effort versus him over the weekend.”

    After decades where the party’s left wing has been forced to play second-fiddle to moderates, some Sanders supporters are thrilled to see the former vice president sinking.

    “He is the problem,” Dan Declan of Londonderry, New Hampshire, said. “Not a lot of things make me happy these days. This does make me happy. This brings a little smile to my face.”

    in reply to: Sanders on FOX #111230
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    I would have to do some homework to support this theory, but it occurred to me a couple of decades ago that voters tend to go for candidates who are strong where the disagreeable predecessor was weakest. You don’t like a Quisling, you vote for a Hawk. Don’t like a dumbshit, you vote for a wonk. A kind of dialectic thing.

    The opposite of a wildly erratic, bullshitfest guy is a consistent, no-nonsense guy.

    Sanders 2020.

    in reply to: Tom Tomorrow #111218
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    That Rand Paul frame, though.

    in reply to: signs, comics, memes, & other visual aids #111217
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    in reply to: Hiddan Biases Against Vegans #111148
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    Hunh. I was unaware anyone cared very much about this. It could be because I didn’t get served a lot of meat as a kid, and was a vegetarian altogether for a few years, but went back a long time ago to eating meat here and there. I don’t care about it very much either way.

    When I encounter a vegan, my only thought is that it’s a damned inconvenience at times, but…that’s their problem. Kinda like gluten free. Or nut allergies. I mean…I’m just glad I don’t have to spend energy worrying about what I don’t eat.

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    I saw only three of those movies, and never heard of most of them. I happened to see Marriage Story on Netflix with my wife one night. It was a forgettable movie, imo. It was okay, I guess, but I never really cared about any of the characters. I thought Dern did a good job, but I thought it was a standard-issue professional performance. I was surprised to see she was even nominated.

    I was also surprised to learn it was Pitt’s first Oscar. He’s done some good work, and while I liked his performance in this, I didn’t think that if I was looking at his filmography, I would point to Once Upon a Time and say, “Now THAT was a film where he just nailed it.”

    That’s your Hollywood minute from me, the guy who finds himself less and less interested in watching moving pictures the older he gets.

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    Wow. Dore just ran over Carlson a mile a minute and didn’t let him say a thing. A lot of that stuff has to be counter to the message Carlson would like. Wow.

    in reply to: Trump’s State of the Union Speech #111085
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    Billy: It’s not that “they” are angry over people getting health care or student debt relief. It’s that they “believe” they will have to pay for it-either in tax increases or in losing their own private doctors and care. It doesn’t matter that they may or may not be right but that is how the Trump machine will force them to look at it-his way. I keep harping back to Kennedy’s innauguration

    Throughout this thread, W, you keep wringing your hands over how OTHER people will perceive it.

    Take a stance.

    And work to make people understand it.

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    Given ‘that’ ugly situation, I think Sanders is a prime candidate to lose his life to a Lone Wolf.

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    Also…I will say…W has a point about the difficulty of getting Sanders over the finish line. The DNC will align against him. They already have. And they aren’t going to grudgingly support him, or even stay neutral if he somehow manages to win the nomination outright.

    They will try to “McGovern” him. Sanders is a bigger threat to the Clinton/DNC money machine than Donald Trump is, and if Sanders loses, they will take a short term hit, but be able to wag their fingers at the left for the next 20 years. I fully expect that.

    The only question is whether Sanders can overcome the complete opposition of the system, including the entire MSM, and win anyway. Well…Trump did. So… we will see (if he wins the nomination, that is).

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