Actually…this probably hurts Bernie, and the timing is a big part of this.

Tomorrow is Super Tuesday, and California is the biggest haul.

Sanders is way ahead there. Warren is hovering right at about 15% which is the threshold for delegates. She has, so far, underperformed in every single state (i.e. got fewer votes than the polls said she would). Biden is under 15%, but in double digits.

Buttigieg’s support – according to polls – is pretty evenly split between Bernie, Warren, Biden, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg, with Sanders narrowly polling higher than the others.

But Buttigieg’s votes could put Warren and Biden over the 15% threshold that they might otherwise fail to reach. If they fail, Sanders takes the entire 400+ haul of delegates. If they hit it, he ends up with 200-something, and they take a bunch.

I think that’s why Pete quit. He originally packaged himself as a progressive, in favor of universal health care, but got no popular support. He sold out to the billionaires. He has positioned himself as the billionaires’ candidate of the future. He’s their tool, now. And I suspect – after Biden’s showing in SC – they told him it was time to get out of the race. They will see him again down the road, but he had no pathway to the nomination, and it was time to rally behind Biden. And Warren – who also sold out – is going to stay in the entire race even though she can’t even win her home state, just to suck enough delegates away from Sanders to wreck his bid.

It’s been two or three weeks since I’ve seen a poll, but last I knew, Sanders was leading in every Super Tuesday state except Minnesota. South Carolina is like a 0.25 cents an hour pay raise for Biden the day before his landlord tells him his rent is going up $250 a month.

I’m sure the kids will be tough enough to make it to Tuesday.

waterfield wrote:

But they do sound extreme to Trump supporters. Believe me-I talk to them every day ! It just seems so very simple to me: this is a contest. The idea of a contest is to win. Sanders will not win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania-game over.

You lost me there. Biden is too extreme for Trump supporters.

Polls show Sanders with the widest margin of polling advantage of all the potential opponents to Trump. But I agree that those polls are not meaningful right now. There are months to go, and…whatever.

I also agree that Sanders is a better debate match up to Trump than any of the other candidates.

That aside…W’s central point is to encourage us to vote blue no matter who because…Trump.

And I will preface what I say by first pointing out that, thanks to the electoral college, it makes no difference whatsoever whom I vote for, or if I vote at all. I am in California, and the corpse of Hubert Humphrey would beat Trump in this state by at least 4 million votes.

I’m not sure where my heart will be on that day, though. It depends in large part on how the nominee gets named.

If it is apparent that the Democrat establishment conspires to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, that will be the end of it for me. Because if – as polls suggest – Bernie wins the plurality in nearly every state, and the plurality of delegates by a substantial margin – and they deal him out…

I don’t know how I can possibly interpret that other than that the Democrat establishment itself prefers to run the risk of another term of Trump, to running the risk of a Sanders presidency. That conclusion is inescapable because they KNOW what Waterfield knows, that the votes of Sanders supporters are very much in doubt. That will be undeniable proof that they would rather lose to Trump, but retain control of the party (and, btw, wrap their arms around the coffers of money that will pour into the party in opposition to Trump) then to risk Sanders winning, and his likely reconfiguration of the party away from corporate fealty. The Democrats will have told all of us to go to hell. In my view, they will have spit in the face of W’s sentiment: “The stakes are really high here. For some of us older voters its no longer about us-its about our children and their children.”

I am waiting for the articles that say, “Hey, it will be fine. Don’t worry. Sanders won’t get this crap passed, anyway.”

That’s when it’s safe to stop chewing the bedsheet.

wv wrote:

So the media-bias against bernie has made it to late-night comedy. Better late, than never

That’s a popular clip. It’s the same one I deleted above because zn beat us to it. It’s up there ^^^^^^^

Oops. I posted a video zn already posted.

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Sanders hasn’t done anything…

except change the entire political conversation in this country, dragging the Overton Window farther to the Left than it has been in 50 years.

wv wrote:

That Krystal Ball vid is worth watching. At least the last three mins or so.

What I wonder is, what will the Dem-MSM actually DO, if Bernie gets the Nomination?

Will they torpedo him? Because, think about it — if you are corporate-centrist, whats the best-case-scenario? If Bernie loses to Trump, the Dems will NEVER put up another progressive. At least they wont for the next 20 years.
What we’ll get is ‘fake progressives’ like Warren and Buddachex.

So a lot is riding on Bernie. The whole American progressive movement.

He’s gotta win.

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But…the old guard is over 65, and dying off year-by-year. The young’uns perceive the status quo as an existential threat. Not just a difference in opinions about policies, or philosophy of government. They don’t want to live in a Mad Max movie that starts with a completely trashed environment. The gig is up for corporate polluters. It is. It’s over. So we can either do this peacefully, or those Millennials that everyone thinks are so happy to hang out in Mom’s basement are going to emerge with some baseball bats. I am seeing a most stronger commitment now than I did in 2016. It ain’t a scientific sample. But it’s what I see. It’s a matter of time.

Oops. Maybe this doesn’t belong in this thread. I was thinking of the last point made in the article, though, about how his policies are basically centrist and not radical.