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    Fishkiller@FV_Mylia_Lynn
    This Wildcard weekend is nothing but a bunch of sequels. 49ers-Seahawks 3, Bengals-Ravens 3, Bills-Dolphins 3, Jaguars-Chargers 2, Vikings-Giants 2 & Bucs-Cowboys 2. With 6 games you’d think at least one would be a fresh match-up.
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    The playoffs are here, and we are not in it. I guess it’s the McVay thing, of being in the playoffs, for like 5 years, Now we have to experience a partial rebuild, with a team, that is not going to be a Super Bowl contender for awhile

    There are different views on this. IMO this won’t be a rebuild at all, not even partial. It will just be healing/recovery plus adding a part or 2. As I see it, they will be in the playoffs in 2023 and only injuries could keep them out. If the injuries permit it they can be a contender.

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    Goff and McV were not a good “marriage.” Goff did well with the Rams when he had his own dedicated qb coach. That was 2017 (Greg Olson) and 2018 (LaFleur). (Greg Olson is also responsible for Derek Carr playing well in the years he did–Olson left the Raiders in 2021, and Carr played well for him). In 2019 McV became the de facto qb coach. I think their relationship was based on McV’s impatience and the result was to weaken Goff’s confidence. What we saw in 2020 was Goff playing without confidence much of the time. In the best article on their divorce, a Rams coach is quoted as saying (anonymously) that McV knew how to tear Goff down but not how to build him up.

    I think what we’re seeing in Detroit now is Goff playing with confidence, in a system that is specifically built to his strengths (and with a top notch OL).

    I said all of this at the time of the trade btw but then I defended the trade. My take was, if the qb and the coach are not built for each other and the coach is winning, then, the qb will go. I don’t like the way they handled it (in fact they handled the entire trade very badly that way). But then Stafford was a better fit for McV. Stafford walked into the room demanding respect with his veteran smarts and longevity, so it was more of a case of coach and veteran qb collaborating than an impatient coach handling a young qb.

    In a different way than Martz, McV is a mixed bag. He has all sorts of strengths as a coach, but they come with some pronounced liabilities. He may change, but at this stage, McV needs veterans in key positions to win. He’s not a patient team builder. By way of contrast DV was that and in fact did it twice, with the Eagles and Rams. McV inherited a team loaded with players like Gurley and Donald and Goff and did not need to “rebuild.” 6 years later there are still some pre-McV players starting for the Rams, including Donald, Higbee, and Hav.

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    Rodrigue starts at 1:46 in.

    BT has a summary but I am going to provide one too. I want to do it, I feel kind of energized to do it, but that aside, I always thought it was useful if more than one poster puts up a summary like this. I do weave some of my own ideas into this, but when I do that I say so–I am just trying to get what Rodrigue says out there.

    She is btw hands down the best reporter the Rams have ever had, bar none.

    This is all just Rodrigue. No one expected the season to be this bad and the dominant problem was the injuries. But also they weren’t satisfied with their coaching hires, which basically began late in the year because of the super bowl. In terms of the vacillation by McV, Rams always knew he would take a break at some point though they expected that to be after 2023. McV puts in too much time and effort and doesn’t know how to slow down. As a person he is very disappointed in himself. But the Rams are very high wire and they can’t operate at that level for too long, it burns out. Rodrigue won’t say it but when McV is stressed he may not be the kind of human being he wants to be. To draw the contrast Rodrigue compared him to old grandfather McVay, who always in all circumstances remained kind–and I thought that was a very telling moment. This is me now not Rodrigue but we saw how with Goff he could be a kind of dick. I hear Rodrigue saying McV sees himself as not being stable and grounded enough as an emotional human being–I suspect McV had some bad moments with coaches and players and staff. She is strongly hinting (the way I hear it) that McV hesitated about returning because he himself is trying to deal with having seen himself act that way.

    Back to just Rodrigue. He was in a situation in 2022 where things were out of control. The injuries were major and devastating. He couldn’t delegate and didn’t have answers. Rodrigue resists unfair and reductive takes on the Rams. Rams didn’t see themselves as repeating in 2022. Missing a pass rusher for example. But they did expect things to keep going forward (a good 2022 followed by a great 2023). One pattern he saw with McV this year was that he was always struggling,  a bit, to work on his maturity and human tools, but he could always default into thinking about football instead. This year subtracted that, and it was entirely in ways that were beyond his own anyone’s control, and so there was no compensation to turn to when more basic human emotional issues came up. (Rodrigue once again mentions McV trying to process how he handled Goff in 2020).

    She talks about how they were injured historically on the OL, she even calls it “insane.” But that caused other issues. He got so he decided he would hire a bunch of different coaches than he did.  He was probably embarassed by the fact that the Rams were not ready this year–at least not ready to enjoy historic success as a defending champ (me again: we saw that right away in game 1 against the Bills, they weren’t ready). They weren’t ready for how teams evolved to pick apart their defense. For the first time the Rams were behind conceptually. And a lot of that meant being behind on things that they themselves originated in the league. They weren’t prepared to stay ahead of football strategies they themselves helped create.

    How about this coaching staff? Barnwell asks. They were kind of running out of people. He’s running out of OL coaches who have Bill Callahan principles. He’s running out of Fangio people. He started to hire people who were green who he thought he could mold to be an extension of his own thinking on the kinds of core things he wants to do. Samples, the RB coach, came up. Brown was moved out of the RB room and then the issues start and (Rodrigue strongly implies) Samples wasn’t up to it. The RB room imploded. Now they didn’t have a coach with the tools to solve that (they then moved Brown back to RB). A lot of this also had to do with the fact that because they went to the super bowl, the position coaches McV wanted weren’t there anymore.

    Rodrigue thinks he also gets too bullish on guys he wants on the offensive side. Part of his thing with coordinators is to hire guys who balance out all the rough and tumble, roller coaster things McV gets on so he needs a steady “middle child” type to soften things with the players. Plus they had all sorts of ideas of what to do to expand the passing game, and then all that gets left behind if your OL has fallen completely apart.

    Rodrigue is talking here before they knew McV would be back, but her answer to what happens if he is back is to say she thinks they put together another trade for another elite player at a big position.

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    Von Miller left because they would not give a 3rd guaranteed year.

    Snead is not a “rebuild guy,” he’s a build on the fly kind of guy. And he has a ruthless side to it. He’ll do things instantly, without sentiment.

    Rodrigue always thought McV would be back. He was never going to move on from coaching.

     

     

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    Comparing Different Hells

    The Bill Barnwell Show

    Bill is joined by The Athletic’s Jourdan Rodrigue to examine the latest on a very fluid situation with Sean McVay and the Los Angeles Rams. They discuss how things got to the point that McVay is considering leaving, what happened to the coaching staff after the Super Bowl, if the situation compromises the Rams’ offseason, why Jourdan thinks there’s no way he permanently retires right now and how the Rams could make a return more appealing to McVay.
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    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    UPDATE: Jalen tells me his tweet wasn’t alluding to any impending trade or departure split with the Rams. He’s a first alternate for the Pro Bowl and is still hoping to make it. If not, his season ended with two INTs against Seattle in Week 18.

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    HoldenCantor@HoldenCantor
    The #Rams first pick in the 2023 draft is pick number 37.
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    I have often wondered why?  Why do they consciously avoid talking about injuries and their impact?    I mean it is sooo obvious its a media policy.

    Well I think it’s more divided than that. I’ve seen people talk about it, including broadcasters during games. But then some people for some reason have no clue how to factor it in. That’s especially true of OL injuries. I’ve poked at some media stars on twitter who commented on the Rams without accounting for the OL injuries. It’s always mystifying to me. I don’t get that kind of reasoning or the lack of it.

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    This is from the wikipedia entry on the Monty Python song, “Always Look On the Bright Side of Life,” which of course is from the ending bit from Life of Brian.

    The song touched a chord with the British trait of stoicism and the “stiff upper lip” in the face of disaster, and became immensely popular. When the destroyer HMS Sheffield was struck by an Exocet cruise missile on 4 May 1982 in the Falklands War, her crew sang it while waiting to be rescued from their sinking ship,<sup id=”cite_ref-9″ class=”reference”>[9]</sup> as did the crew of HMS Coventry,<sup id=”cite_ref-10″ class=”reference”>[10]</sup> with the line from the song “Worse things happen at sea, you know” being especially ironic.

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    Honolulu Blues@HonoluluBlues_
    Goff was the second most blitzed (166) QB in the league, yet the second least sacked (22) in 16 games.
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    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    We hear a lot about head coaching candidates at this time of year and their qualifications, based primarily off of statistical performance. I’ll say, firsthand, nobody I had the chance to talk to this year impressed me more, from A to Z, than #Broncos DC Ejiro Evero.

    Ejiro Evero

    2017 36 NFL Los Angeles Rams Safeties
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Rams ILB Bobby Wagner is a 2022 NFL Butkus Award finalist, which is voted on by coaches, scouts and journalists. The collegiate and high school winners have already been selected.
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    NFL Rumors@nflrums
    Several NFL people believes if the Los Angeles Chargers will part ways with HC Brandon Staley if he loses vs the Jaguars. Sean Payton could be a big piece of the equation.
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    Rams Ex Andrew Whitworth on Sean McVay Rumors: ‘I’d Be Shocked’
    Former Los Angeles Rams offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth helped shed some light on Sean McVay’s retirement rumors.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-retirement-rumors-andrew-whitworth

    Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay has confirmed that he’s not done coaching.

    However, his status for next season remains unconfirmed and “in limbo” as of now, as rumors of a potential transition to the broadcast booth have been swirling since the Rams won the Super Bowl last year.

    Former Rams offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth developed a strong relationship with McVay before retiring himself after winning a ring to take his talents to TV.

    He made an appearance Tuesday on “The Rich Eisen Show” and discussed in detail his experiences with McVay. Whitworth admitted he’d be “shocked” regarding McVay’s retirement rumors, but not in a way that should scare Rams fans.

    “I’d be shocked to see him not leading a group of men, playing this game that he loves so much,” Whitworth said. “It’s just hard for me to imagine him not leading rooms.”

    The Rams were the near definition of first-to-worst this season. With a 5-12 record, LA secured the most losses by a defending champion in league history.

    Amid numerous injuries to star players and the offensive line, it clearly was a year of adversity for McVay and company.

    “It was a tough year for that entire organization,” Whitworth said. “It was tough on him, it was tough and everyone in that building.”

    But should he decide to take his career to the broadcast booth, Whitworth, like many others, feels McVay would kill it due to the leadership traits he’s displayed since arriving to LA.

    “He will absolutely be exceptional at that, he will be unbelievable,” Whitworth said. ” … One of the most impressive things about him when he took the job is his ability to capture a room and lead a group of people, I thought was just so rare.”

    The Rams now have an offseason of uncertainty ahead of them, with McVay at the center of it all.

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    ‘You won too fast too soon’: NFL coaches on Sean McVay, burnout, pressure of winning

    Sam Farmer

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2023-01-11/sean-mcvay-rams-coaching-burnout

    The season is over for the Rams, but the hand-wringing is heading into overtime.

    What will Sean McVay do? Will he continue to coach the team? Will he take a TV job? How about a leave of absence on a beach in St. Somewhere?

    Whatever McVay decides — and that could come any day — there’s a community of former NFL coaches, some of them in the Hall of Fame, who are all too familiar with the pressures of the job. They understand the notion of burnout, even among those with incredibly high-paying and coveted positions.

    “There’s only a few Bill Belichicks or Andy Reids out there,” said Dick Vermeil, citing two of the league’s longest-tenured coaches. “There’s only a few Don Shulas or Bud Grants around. I think coach McVay has proven he’s in that talent level. He’s a potential Hall of Fame coach. But if he doesn’t have that personality make-up, no fault of his own, then that may not happen.”

    Vermeil gets it. He was Philadelphia’s head coach from 1976-82 and took the Eagles to the Super Bowl. But then he left for a TV job — doubling his $75,000 salary — and didn’t return to coaching until taking over the St. Louis Rams in 1997. There, he won a Super Bowl with Kurt Warner and the “Greatest Show on Turf,” before closing out his career as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs from 2001-05.

    He said he retired from coaching the first time because the euphoria of winning had evaporated. He only was relieved when his team won, depressed when it lost.

    “The loss hurt far more emotionally than the win affected you positively,” said Vermeil, 86, enshrined in Canton last summer. “I found myself thinking about what I should have done last week to win when I should have been thinking about what I had to do to win next week.”

    The idea of NFL coaching burnout isn’t going to elicit a lot of sympathy from the public. These coaches aren’t saving lives, and they can make as much in one season as five teachers can earn in their entire careers. Nonetheless, coaching burnout does happen and the topic is particularly relevant to the Rams, who have enjoyed tremendous success with McVay at the helm.

    Tony Dungy played for and later worked as an assistant under legendary Pittsburgh Steelers coach Chuck Noll, who oversaw that organization for 23 years. Instead of being an old-school, sleep-in-the-office coach, Noll was ahead of his time in supporting a work-life balance for people in the organization. Those coaches left work early once a week to play golf and frequently had family days at team headquarters.

    “One of the first things coach Noll told us when I was a rookie player was, `Do not make football your whole life. If you do, you’re going to be disappointed when you leave the game,’ ” said Dungy, inducted in the Hall of Fame in 2016. “He told us that as players, and I watched him demonstrate that for the 10 years that I was there.

    “I worked at some other places where it wasn’t necessarily like that and where guys thought, `I have to make sure everything goes perfectly.’ If you take that approach, it can get to you right away. Because there are a lot of things to manage and oversee. If you have to be cognizant of everything, and everything happens to come across your desk, it can wear you down and wear you out.”

    Winning has always been the bottom line for NFL coaches. That’s nothing new. But with the popularity of the league, round-the-clock news coverage, fantasy football and everyone feeling like an expert, the spotlight on coaches has never been brighter.

    “It’s almost unfair today to compare the longevity and stamina of [the coaches from 30 to 40 years ago] with what the job is today,” Vermeil said. “Because the evaluation process has gotten so intense, so magnified. It’s like comparing a 1980 Cadillac with a 2023 Cadillac. They all move forward but the technology and everything within it is totally different. … I think it’s tougher today on coaches.”

    McVay, hired at 30 in 2017, was the youngest head coach in NFL history and remains the youngest of the 32 now employed. He got to the Super Bowl in his second season, and his team won it all in February, hoisting the Lombardi Trophy at SoFi Stadium, no less. He inherited a 4-12 team that ranked 32nd in scoring, and flipped that in his inaugural season when the Rams were No. 1 in that department.

    “I only sat down and visited with coach McVay one time,” Vermeil said. “The only thing I can remember saying to him was, `You won too fast too soon.’ Every team I took over had been losing, especially the Eagles and Rams. Anything you did — make a first down and they applauded you.

    “But when you start out as fast as coach McVay has, it makes every year tougher. Even after you win it all last year. Geez. What do you do to prove that you still have the ability to do it? It’s tough.”

    This season’s Rams took a dramatic plunge from last season’s dizzying heights, finishing 5-12.

    “It isn’t the workload,” said Rick Neuheisel, a former college head coach and offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens. “You get up in the morning, you come into work but you’re never looking at the clock. Ever. You’re just doing what you love to do.

    “The problem is the pressure of winning, and the weight that it puts on you when you’re unsuccessful. For Sean McVay to go through the year he went through, after the euphoria of the year before, is a feeling like burnout. He’s never gone down a road where it’s been this exasperating.”

    Even before and in the immediate aftermath of the Super Bowl win, there was rampant speculation McVay might leave for a TV job. This season there was a revolving door of Rams offensive linemen, almost never the same group from week to week, and an injury list that included the club’s biggest stars: quarterback Matthew Stafford, receiver Cooper Kupp and defensive tackle Aaron Donald.

    “You know all that next-man-up stuff? That’s just coach-speak,” said Steve Mariucci, former coach of San Francisco and Detroit, speaking generally about losing star players. “That’s like false bravado sometimes. The next man up isn’t as good as the guy he follows, OK? That’s the reality of it. When you’ve got a lot of next-men-up, you’re going to get your butt kicked. Let’s face it. Let’s talk real here.”

    And no matter how compelling a coach might be in talking to his players, at some point those messages lose their edge.

    Said Mariucci: “When I got hired by the Niners, [team president] Carmen Policy says, `Coach, you’re not going to be here forever. Bill [Walsh] wasn’t here forever. George [Seifert] wasn’t here forever. There’s going to be a shelf life for every coach. That’s how it works in this league. Enjoy it while you can. It’s going to be the ride of your life.’

    “He was very forthright in knowing full well that in his mind the message gets a little boring or stale and it needs to come from somebody new every now and then. Bill lasted 10 years, George lasted eight and I was six. Not everybody is Bill Belichick or Mike Tomlin or Pete Carroll. That’s the exception to the rule.”

    McVay isn’t tipping his hand. He wants time to mull his future, and the Rams want to give him that. There are strong indications they are willing to give him a leave of absence, a sabbatical to reboot, but they want him back when he’s ready to return. They don’t want to coach against him.

    And there’s no denying the appeal of TV for him. He only needs to look at former New Orleans coach Sean Payton, who worked as a studio analyst for Fox this season and whose coaching stock has exploded. He’s the most coveted coaching candidate out there.

    Said McVay of the network interest: “It’s flattering. These are always going to be things that you anticipate and expect that are going to come up, because I haven’t run away from the fact that down the line, or whenever that is, that’s something I’ve been interested in.”

    Dungy took a job as an NBC studio analyst after retiring from coaching at 53. He wasn’t conflicted about leaving coaching; he was ready to go. He loves working in TV, but the job doesn’t tick the same boxes that coaching did.

    “It’s not the same thing,” he said. “You are involved in the game. You do get to see your buddies. You do get to talk. You get to think about strategy and all those kinds of things. But it’s not the same thrill as bringing an organization together, getting everybody going in the same direction, chasing that one goal and knowing at the end of the year that there’s only one of us that’s going to achieve it and 31 that are going to come up a little bit short but try again next year.

    “The satisfaction you get out of molding a team and taking them to the playoffs, winning playoff games. TV is great, it’s fun, but it’s not that.”

    Ultimately, for Vermeil, the allure of coaching proved too strong. He had to come back.

    “You miss being the king,” he said. “You miss being the boss. You miss making the decisions. The only thing you don’t miss is the pressure.”

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    Michael Silver@MikeSilver
    If I’m a team targeting Derek Carr, I’m thinking hard about talking to Greg Olson (currently with the Rams, in limbo like the rest of the staff). Olson was Carr’s OC on two separate occasions with the Raiders, including last season, which went really well despite the turmoil…
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    Just a heads up to everyone. I know many people don’t check the board daily, so I want to remind everyone now that Friday is the day to remove our hats in honor of a long-loved friend of ours.

     

    Thanks for that.

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