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znModeratorMore inside the agreement to trade Jalen Ramsey to the Dolphins, w/ @ByMikeJones – the Rams had five teams in on talks but certain factors affected team…and terms https://t.co/CIYej3zrrj
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) March 12, 2023
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Rams finalizing trade sending Jalen Ramsey to Dolphins, per sources: How’s the return?
Jourdan RodrigueThe Los Angeles Rams are finalizing a trade to send All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Miami Dolphins in return for a 2023 third-round pick and tight end Hunter Long, people with direct knowledge of the trade talks confirmed to The Athletic on Sunday. CBS was first to report the sides were nearing a deal. Here’s what you need to know:
- Ramsey, 28, recorded 88 tackles, four interceptions and 18 passes defended last season.
- The Rams had been in talks with as many as five teams about Ramsey over the last several weeks, with the Dolphins showing early interest and then making a late push to come to a terms agreement.
- The Dolphins have also agreed to fully guarantee Ramsay’s contract for the 2023 and 2024 seasons, a league source told The Athletic.
- The trade cannot be made official until the new league year opens Wednesday.
Another aggressive move from Miami
First Tyreek Hill last offseason, now Ramsey this year. The Dolphins continue to swing big in an attempt to fortify their roster and build a contender. They appear committed to Tua Tagovailoa after picking up his fifth-year option this week. But it’s clear Miami brass knows they must surround the young QB with impact players on both sides of the ball to lighten his load.
Another aggressive move from Miami
After adding well-respected defensive guru Vic Fangio as coordinator this winter, now the Dolphins get him a top-flight cornerback in Ramsey. Now Fangio has two dynamic corners in Ramsey and Xavien Howard, which is crucial when going against the likes of Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow — and maybe Aaron Rodgers — while on a quest to emerge as one of the elite teams of the AFC. — Jones
Evaluating the return for Ramsey
The terms are surprising in that the Rams were pretty open about hoping to get at least a future first-round pick in return for the All-Pro. At the same time, teams knew the Rams were not going to move forward with Ramsey’s contract as it was the only one of their core “stars” that Los Angeles had not recently reworked and the Rams were public about clearing some of their defensive cornerstones off of their 2023 books with an eye on 2024 and beyond. That could have immediately impacted the terms other teams were willing to offer, as could Ramsey’s age next season (29) and the fact that they didn’t want to trade him to an NFC team.
Why the Rams made the deal
Ramsey is a great fit in the Fangio defense — a scheme the Rams installed in 2020 with him as a centerpiece. Without the elite cornerback on their own roster, the Rams will depend on still-unproven young cornerbacks Cobie Durant, Derion Kendrick and Robert Rochell. Among the three, Durant showed the most consistency in limited reps in 2022.
The Rams have, in recent weeks, been pretty open about their intent to overhaul the defensive side of the ball — where corresponding acquired resources would not just help them correct their books after the spending sprees that won them a Super Bowl, but also be put back into their offense under offensive-minded coach Sean McVay. —Backstory
Ramsey, a three-time first-team All-Pro selection, has tallied 452 total tackles, 19 interceptions and six forced fumbles in his seven-year career. He started his NFL career with the Jaguars, who drafted him with the No. 5 pick in 2016, before being traded to the Rams during the 2019 season.
Los Angeles signed Ramsey to a five-year deal worth $100 million before the 2020 season.
What they’re saying
Ramsey was quick to respond to the reported trade, tweeting Sunday that he “prayed for this specifically for about a month.”
I prayed for this specifically for about a month & now it’s happening! 🙏🏾@MiamiDolphins LETSGO! 🧡
— Jalen Ramsey (@jalenramsey) March 12, 2023
znModeratorI hated the idea of moving Jalen Ramsey. I hate it even more for a THIRD-ROUND PICK https://t.co/1LL6JoE1tL
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) March 12, 2023
znModeratorCornell@gqscholarPer reports, Ramsey controlled where he went by being willing to negotiate his new contract for less with Miami vs. a different team. Ramsey would have demanded a bigger contract from a different team, meaning the offer from that team will be less in picks..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
They talked about it! A building torn between how genuinely illogical it would be to repeat, how much they needed/wanted to keep certain players/HC around and the rush/emotion of believing you could at least be a playoff team at min minus the injury catastrophe nobody saw coming
znModeratorHi. I moved everything on the Ramsey trade, best I could, to a dedicated thread.
Here: https://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramsey-trade/#post-143168
znModeratorFROM A PREVIOUS THREAD
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Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Trade is now agreed to, per sources:Dolphins get Pro Bowl CB Jalen Ramsey.Rams get 2023 third-round pick (No. 77) and TE Hunter Long. Trade will be processed Wednesday, when league year begins*3rd rounder. I give up. So for 3 seasons, we gave up two firsts, and the remaining value is a 3rd and a TE. M’kay. Better be a damn good TE.
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The TE is not good either 😒
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This was a seriously stupid trade, and it didn’t even garner that much Cap relief. According to Ramswire, less than 6 million.
____ The entire league knows the Rams are an easy mark. They give up waay too much for players they want, and they ask for waay too little in comp for players they trade away. To me, this looks like another case of them putting the wishes of a now former player above the best interests of the team. Ramsey wanted to go to Miami, so that’s where they sent him. Very likely Miami knew this and low-balled the Rams as a result. I think it’s time for new management and an end to this ethos of bending over backwards for players on their way out the door.
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It sure seems that way to me. Ramsey is still in his prime. Not only do I disapprove of this trade, I can’t even see a plausible rationale for it. Hopefully, Rodrigue will explain this some day.
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most heinous.
still got that trophy though.
znModeratorFishkiller@FV_Mylia_Lynn
Take a deep breath everyone. Ramsey wanted the next 2 years of his contract fully guaranteed. The Rams weren’t going to do that. He wanted out. The Rams made the best deal they could with a team that would fully guarantee his next 2 years & that Ramsey would actually play for.Cornell@gqscholar
The team obtaining Ramsey having to guarantee the last two years of his deal was a value killer.Nick Wagoner@nwagoner
#Rams were always going to have to sell off expensive pieces after their run. But make no mistake, it wasn’t just a one-year, all in thing. They won 3rd most games in NFL with 2 SB appearances and one win from 2017-2021. Five-year window is a run any team would be happy to have.Patriots have skewed what sustained success looks like a little bit in the league over the past 20+ years. But unless you have one of those few QBs who always keeps you competitive, it’s tough to be in the hunt for a decade or more.
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Good stuff. People forget that the trade FOR Ramsey in 2019 was the first big layer of duct tape around their foot and the gas pedal. “All in” was a years-long model, not 2021 alone. In many ways, as humans, you can see why the pace of that burned some of them out so completely.This is probably too cheesy for here but there is something cool about a player being such a catalyst/signal for the changing cycles of teams. Rams trade FOR Ramsey meant no turning back on fragile, high-stakes model that won them a Super Bowl. For Miami it now signals the same.
znModeratorThe Sloman-Forbath Nightmare
I tried to read that book, but it was too grim.
znModeratorThe Rams have a decision to make at safety with Taylor Rapp and Nick Scott hitting free agency.
Will it be one or the other? Or will both walk? https://t.co/CzGkesOTba
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) March 9, 2023
znModeratorRamping up free agency preview content this week, beginning with A'Shawn Robinson's future in Los Angeles https://t.co/8UkzURY7lZ
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) March 7, 2023
znModeratorBrandon Thorn@BrandonThornNFLOne way to discuss OL value is ranking the starting unit 1-5 and stacking possible additions into that hierarchy. Wrote a little about that in my FA article. I really like this framework in the OL team-building process.znModeratorJustice Dept. Finds Pattern of Discriminatory Policing in Louisville
The review, undertaken after a specialized unit killed Breonna Taylor in a botched raid in 2020, paints a damning portrait of a department in crisis.WASHINGTON — The police department in Louisville, Ky., engaged in a far-ranging pattern of discriminatory and abusive law enforcement practices, the Justice Department said on Wednesday after conducting a two-year investigation prompted by the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor by the police in 2020.
In a damning 90-page report, investigators painted a grim portrait of the Louisville Metro Police Department, detailing a variety of serious — at times shocking — misconduct. They included the use of excessive force; searches based on invalid and so-called no-knock warrants; unlawful car stops, detentions and harassment of people during street sweeps; and broad patterns of discrimination against Black people and those with behavioral health problems.
The conduct of the police department “has undermined its public safety mission and strained its relationship with the community it is meant to protect and serve,” Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said at a news conference in Louisville, appearing alongside the city’s mayor and acting police chief. “This conduct is unacceptable. It is heartbreaking.”
The Justice Department’s findings, he said, were succinctly captured by an unnamed Louisville police leader shortly after the investigation began: “Breonna Taylor was a symptom of problems that we have had for years.”
The findings in Louisville, released amid a backlash against a reform movement galvanized by police killings and beatings of Black people, served as a reminder of the dysfunction that still afflicts law enforcement agencies. Nor will it be the last: The Justice Department is investigating similar complaints about discriminatory practices in Minneapolis, New York, Oklahoma City, Mount Vernon, N.Y., Phoenix, Worcester, Mass., and Louisiana.
Ms. Taylor, an emergency room technician, was shot and killed by police officers assigned to a drug enforcement unit in March 2020 during a botched raid of her apartment. Her death prompted protests across the nation and calls for police reform.
The Justice Department interviewed hundreds of officers and community members, assessed body camera video from dozens of officers and reviewed hundreds of incidents. The 1,000-member police department is responsible for the city of Louisville and surrounding metropolitan region, a majority-white area with segregated pockets of predominantly Black neighborhoods. The force is about 80 percent white, the report noted.
Mr. Garland said investigators uncovered instances of blatant racism against Black residents, including the disproportionate use of traffic stops in Black neighborhoods and the hurling of epithets like “monkey,” “animal” and “boy.”
Kristen Clarke, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, said that the targeting of Black people for traffic stops and searches turned conventional law enforcement practices into “weapons of oppression, submission and fear.”
But the inquiry uncovered an endemic pattern of dysfunction that went far beyond racial discrimination, finding widespread problems in the way the police handled investigations of domestic violence and sexual assault cases, including allegations of misconduct by law enforcement officers.
In 2022, federal officials charged four current and former officers for crimes including violating Ms. Taylor’s rights and lying on the search warrant used to search her home. Kelly Goodlett was the first officer to be convicted after pleading guilty to one count of conspiracy.
One woman told the Justice Department she had informed police officials that a narcotics detective was extorting sex from her daughter and two other women he had accused of drug possession. The accusation was labeled “unfounded” — but proved to be true five years later, when three more women came forward with similar accusations. The detective resigned but was never prosecuted.The Justice Department praised the dedication of the units responsible for investigating domestic violence incidents and sexual assaults, but said their work was undermined by budget cuts that consolidated disparate divisions, leading to increased caseloads and forcing detectives to investigate crimes for which they had no training.
The abuse, Ms. Clarke said, extended to people with mental illness in the city, who were mistreated and mocked by officers. She cited one example in which a man with behavioral issues was arrested 25 times in two years, and in some of his encounters, the police “needlessly escalated the situation and used unreasonable force.” He later died in custody.
The investigation found that police routinely used force that was disproportionate to the threats they faced, including by using neck restraints, choking, Tasers and even dogs to subdue citizens. From 2016 to 2021, 71 dog bites were logged.
In one incident, a burly officer physically assaulted a distraught and intoxicated 110-pound woman who had been crying and yelling while sitting on her friend’s lawn.
After standing back for a minute and a half, “the officer rushed up to the crying woman as she fought with her friends and used his boot to push her torso to the ground.” He then beat her face with his flashlight “over and over again” when she tried to bite the outside of his heavy shoe, they wrote.
The officer was not disciplined.
In another incident, an officer ordered his dog to bite a Black 14-year-old boy — who was lying on the ground, face down in the grass during a search after a home invasion.
“The officer deployed his dog off-leash — without giving any warning — and ordered the dog to bite the teen at least seven times,” the report said. “Despite the teen staying prone and pleading, ‘OK! OK! Help! Get the dog please!,’ officers stood over him shouting orders for nearly 30 seconds while the dog gnawed on his arm.”
The child had serious injuries to his arm and back and had to be hospitalized.
The Justice Department also took the police to task over their crackdown on protesters who called for reforms in the days after Ms. Taylor’s killing. Officers “used riot sticks, less-lethal munitions, or chemical agents against protesters who did no more than passively resist or disperse more slowly than officers desired” in violation of demonstrators’ First Amendment rights.
Local officials said the report accurately reflected the complaints they have heard from citizens, especially Black people, over the years.
Mayor Craig Greenberg of Louisville, a Democrat who vowed to overhaul the department after taking office in January, called the abuses outlined in the investigation “a betrayal of the integrity and professionalism that the overwhelming majority of our officers bring to their job every day and every night.”
He added, “We will not make excuses, we will make changes.”
The investigation is likely to lead to a consent decree, a court-approved deal between the department and local governments that establish and enforce a road map for training and operational changes.
Already, current and former city officials, who cooperated with the investigation, have begun carrying out many of the 36 recommended reforms in the report, Mr. Garland said. They have also paid a $12 million wrongful death settlement to Ms. Taylor’s family.
After Ms. Taylor’s death, the city passed Breonna’s Law, banning “no-knock” warrants, which allowed officers to break into a residence without warning.
Local officials have also expanded their use of mental health counseling for officers, revamped training programs, appointed an inspector general and civilian review board to monitor the department, and established an internal auditing system.
But the police department has been in a state of turmoil since Ms. Taylor’s death, and Mr. Greenberg is interviewing candidates to serve as the permanent police chief.
The use of so-called pattern or practice investigations virtually stopped during the Trump administration, but since taking over in 2021, Ms. Clarke and the associate attorney general, Vanita Gupta, have initiated eight, including an inquiry into the Minneapolis Police Department after the killing of George Floyd.
The results of that investigation have yet to be released.
In an unrelated action, the department announced on Wednesday that it was examining the Memphis Police Department’s special units, at the request of city officials, after the brutal beating of Tyre Nichols, a Black man, during a traffic stop in January. The department is also working on a guide on how to monitor such units, officials said.
The investigation into the Louisville Metro Police Department is separate from the federal criminal investigation into the members of the drug enforcement unit who broke down the door to Ms. Taylor’s apartment, killing her as they fired a volley of shots at her boyfriend.
No drugs were found in Ms. Taylor’s home, and one former Louisville detective, Kelly Goodlett, has pleaded guilty to helping falsify information on the warrant.
Last August, the department indicted Joshua Jaynes, a former detective, and Kyle Meany, a former sergeant, with federal civil rights and obstruction offenses for their roles in preparing and approving a false search warrant affidavit that resulted in Ms. Taylor’s death.
Another former detective, Brett Hankison, was charged with federal civil rights offenses for firing his weapon into the apartment through a covered window and door. He was acquitted on three counts of endangering Ms. Taylor’s neighbors in March last year.
The officers have denied wrongdoing.
znModeratorSo Hersh is proud of helping get the US defeated in the Vietnam game.
Traitor.
Basically that just makes him a Seattle fan.
znModeratorA theory. Several Rams underperformed in 2022 and that’s before they got massively injured as a team. I think they had a few guys who took their rings from 2021 and slacked off. That includes Ramsey and Floyd. I think that’s who they want to replace–I think McV resented that happening. It clears cap space, and puts them in a position to develop talent to step up plus sign people.
I would think that it would be easier to try to coach Ramsey and Floyd back into the proper mindset than to replace them. And, really, how hard must it be to put in the proverbial 110% when the team has completely fallen off a cliff?
I’m not as worried about any of this so I tend not to see it the way you do. I’m on record as being critical of McV when I think he screws up. Rams are surprisingly quick to dump people year to year, and it doesn’t always add up to me. But in this case I think McV has a point. You pay someone to be a leader and then they let you down. You need the money anyway so why not move on.
I don’t see it as being as risky as you do. Replacing what Ramsey and Floyd offered in 2022 will not be a great challenge–they both backslid. Plus doing this allows them to sign and keep guys they do value, such as (presumably) Gaines.
It may also be that they are seeking trade capital to get an edge rusher, probably (warning: theory approaching) reasoning that this draft offers them enough in the secondary so they can shift emphasis in terms of defensive design and seek a veteran edge rusher. Maybe that’s a thing they’re doing? If so I think having a veteran edge rusher plus young corners makes more sense than having a star corner with no edge rusher.
znModeratorA theory. Several Rams underperformed in 2022 and that’s before they got massively injured as a team. I think they had a few guys who took their rings from 2021 and slacked off. That includes Ramsey and Floyd. I think that’s who they want to replace–I think McV resented that happening. It clears cap space, and puts them in a position to develop talent to step up plus sign people.
znModeratorBad reporting. Speculation pretending to be “rumors.”
“Asking about Matthew Stafford, I was told, ‘The guy could barely throw last year. Retirement is still not out of the question,'”
Last year. The guy had issues with his arm…LAST YEAR.
So someone with a keyboard and a deadline who hears one guy speculating, decides that means there’s “rumors” about him retiring.
znModeratorNEW: I spent the past week shadowing the most electric prospect in the NFL Combine. Here’s what I saw and heard while behind the scenes with QB Anthony Richardson, one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to enter the NFL in years: https://t.co/QSbx3cQG1J
— Stephen Holder (@HolderStephen) March 6, 2023
znModeratorAnother veteran on his way out of LA: Leonard Floyd
The Rams are expected to cut him if they can't trade him first https://t.co/luJ4VsO0gM
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) March 6, 2023
znModeratorThe Saints are closing in on a deal with Derek Carr, per multiple reports. pic.twitter.com/rUwlZYPvtd
— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) March 6, 2023
znModeratorRex Chapman@RexChapmanAn Alabama youth girls’ basketball team that was told they would lose their practice facility unless they agreed to play in a boys’ league went on to win the whole thing — and yet was denied the championship trophy. Instead, the trophies were given to the boys who, to be clearwere beaten by the girls in the league final.” End.…This is absolutely outrageous and should be a bigger story.
Alabama girls' basketball team denied championship after being forced to play in boys' league, then winning it https://t.co/We41cXCswV
— Julie DiCaro (@JulieDiCaro) March 5, 2023
znModeratorLos Angeles #Rams new running backs coach Ron Gould, hired Friday, per league sources, was the college position coach for multiple star running backs, including Marshawn Lynch, Jahvid Best, Bryce Love, Justin Forsett, C.J. Anderson and J.J. Arrington @KPRC2 #NFL https://t.co/yXDSTya1bF
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 5, 2023
znModeratorIan Rapoport provided an update on the Jalen Ramsey situation, including what the Rams might get for him and when it could play out https://t.co/NjqHMvhzej
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) March 5, 2023
znModeratorIf he somehow falls to 36, it would be nearly impossible for the Rams not to take him. https://t.co/thUgVYbTQx
— Rams Brothers (@RamsBrothers) March 5, 2023
znModeratorThat’s why I never post from TurfShowTimes.
“On the brink of collapse.”
Sigh.
znModeratorThis is an excellent tight end class and the Rams could be in the market for some help at that position https://t.co/tZ9LP5qYK3
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) March 4, 2023
znModeratorLos Angeles #Rams hire well-respected San Diego State running backs coach-associate head coach Ron Gould to coach running backs, per league sources, after previously considering @TexasLonghorns Tashard Choice and @UCLAFootball Deshaun Foster for the job @KPRC2 Strong hire
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 4, 2023
znModeratorFlorida:
With her team down 4–1 in the top of the 5th Grand View catcher Kaitlyn Moses smoked a go-ahead grand slam. As she approached second base, she collapsed with an ankle injury. She’s “out” if her teammates or coaches help.
So her OPPONENTS helped her round the bases… pic.twitter.com/UANkgbSmap
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) March 2, 2023
znModeratorThe NFL Players' Association says the Cardinals have the worst weight room in the league and are the only team that charges players for eating meals at the team facility. https://t.co/BcpNe7UAhc
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 2, 2023
znModeratorThe NFLPA surveyed players about teams’ facilities, travel and treatment of families, and the Rams graded out among the worst in the league https://t.co/EXjoXWQXrd
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) March 2, 2023
znModeratorJim Everett believes the Rams didn’t utilize Jalen Ramsey correctly during the 2022 season. https://t.co/f578drLxxH
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) February 28, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams proposed a rule to the NFL to allow roughing the passer penalties to be reviewed by instant replay. https://t.co/pll46VENP8
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) February 28, 2023
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