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znModeratorThe Lions have had top 10 picks in the last two years. They could have taken a QB both times.
They didn’t.
Here’s @Lions GM Brad Holmes on HIS quarterback, the undisputed number 1 in Detroit, Jared Goff. pic.twitter.com/xotyiZZg2U
— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) July 14, 2023
znModeratorGOP, baby… pic.twitter.com/zKujHp5wEq
— Jess Piper (@piper4missouri) July 15, 2023
I’ve lived in 3 of those states. And have close ties to/slash/spent time in a 4th.
znModeratorCharlie Kirk once again shows his true colors and I want to address it.
He just made the claim that Joy Reid, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Shiela Jackson Lee and Michelle Obama “don’t have the brain processing power” to be taken really seriously.
He then said, that they “had to go… pic.twitter.com/rE1p7AAlgc
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) July 14, 2023
znModeratorCALL TO ACTIVISM@CalltoActivism
This is the moment a Lyft driver kicked a racist couple out his car in Pennsylvania. Check out the boyfriend’s disgusting comment. “Wow, you’re like a white guy,” the woman tells the shocked driver James Bode. “What’s that?” he says. “Excuse me?” “You’re like a normal guy, like you speak English,” the woman says, laughingly, as she pats his shoulder and adds, “Sorry.” “Nah, you can get out of the car,” Bode tells her. “That’s inappropriate, that’s completely inappropriate. If somebody was not white sitting in this seat, what would be the difference?” “Are you serious?” she asks. When her male companion steps inside the vehicle, Bode tells him about what she had said and asks the couple to leave. But the man turns indignant and is heard cursing Bode. “You’re a f—- asshole,” the man says. “It’s all on camera, man,” Bode informs them. “You’re a piece of s—-. I should punch you in the f—- face,” the man continues. “You’re going to threaten me — assault?” Bode says. When Bode says the two are racist, the man calls him a “f—- n—- lover” and tells him to “get the f—- out of here.” “No, I’m calling the cops on you, man,” Bode says. “It’s all on camera.” Thank you James Bode! This is how to calmly and courageously be anti-racist. I respect and admire you. Let’s make all racists uncomfortable.
znModeratorSean McVay gave his take on why teams usually don’t like being on “Hard Knocks” and it largely has to do with not giving other teams an edge.
“I think the first thing is, when you play in a league that’s so competitive – 32 teams in the league – information is at a premium so you just want to be mindful of not having anything that gives anybody a competitive advantage,” he said at the Variety Sportico Summit. “You’re always looking for your edges and your margins and just the seamless thing of being able to pick up somebody on their cadence and some of the verbiage and vernacular that can maybe give the opposing team an advantage. So there’s some of those things.”
znModeratorI remember the drive. I rememer watching it live when it happened and thinking, golly they’re playing like a real NFL offense.
znModeratorA crow recycling a plastic bottle pic.twitter.com/P0Tsv8GX1C
— Fascinating (@fasc1nate) July 13, 2023
znModeratorReality. pic.twitter.com/mdMx9Q8r8b
— Real_American_Dad 🇺🇸 (@BlueCheck_No1) July 13, 2023
znModeratorThe 33rd Team’s Andy Benoit believes that Stafford is the sixth-best deep thrower in the NFL.
The five quarterbacks ahead of Stafford are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert, and Joe Burrow. Meanwhile, the three quarterbacks Stafford edged out on the list were Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, and Jalen Hurts.
Time will tell if the 35-year-old Matthew Stafford’s injury woes have taken a permanent toll. If they haven’t, then we’re talking about a quarterback who led his team to a Super Bowl title in part by leading the league in passing yards on 20-plus-yard attempts two years ago.
The Rams built that 2021 offense specifically around Stafford’s downfield throwing prowess, applying many play-action route combinations into a more expansive dropback passing game.
They did that because Stafford had one of the best arms of his generation and the poise, fundamentals and courage to play from within the pocket late in the down. That gave his receivers the necessary time to make downfield throws available.
znModeratorMost career games with 300+ passing yards in the regular season…
Drew Brees – 123
Tom Brady – 113
Peyton Manning – 93
Matt Ryan – 76
Phillip Rivers – 73
Aaron Rodgers – 69
Ben Roethlisberger – 68
Dan Marino – 63
Brett Favre – 62
Matthew Stafford – 57 pic.twitter.com/mz16bECZHS— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) July 12, 2023
znModeratorThomas Brown is finally getting an opportunity to be an offensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers after spending the past three seasons with the Los Angeles Rams. The Athletic’s Jourdan Rodrigue recently released an intriguing podcast series called “The Playcallers” and in the third episode, Brown recounts his first impressions of Aaron Donald.
“I remember I was a coordinator for the Miami Hurricanes. They would ask us to give advice to our future pro guys on what to prepare and how to prepare, what to expect at the next level,” Brown said. “So they go on and on about Aaron Donald and his process, him being relentless, and how great he is. And in my mind, I’m like, ‘I’ve been around first-round defensive linemen before and he’s good, but he can’t be that good.’ I played with Geno Atkins, you mentioned Charles (Johnson) before, I’ve played with some big-time dudes, I’ve played with David Pollack, and I’ve seen elite players before.”
“So I get there in 2020, first offseason, so I’m sitting in our staff meeting and we’re working on the offense. And Sean (McVay) keeps going on about AD and I’m like, ‘Man, this is crazy, everyone keeps talking about this dude like he’s unstoppable.’ I’m a doubter, not going to lie, I was a doubter. As you mention, some of these battles because obviously, Brandon (Staley) and I came in together during 2020 in training camp. I heard about how good the offensive line was and the success we had, and every day in practice, this dude is unblockable. He’s making every play and so I go back to Sean and say, ‘Listen, y’all undersold this cat. He’s better than everyone said he was.’”
znModeratorfrom https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2023/7/12/23792522/rams-aaron-donald-trade-offer-draft-sammy-watkins
According to Brad Holmes, the current general manager of the Detroit Lions and a former area scout with the St. Louis and Los Angeles Rams who specifically helped tip the team off to the ultra-talented defensive tackle out of Pitt that year, there were a number of scenarios that nearly played out that day in 2014: The Rams could have had Watkins and Donald. They could have also had Robinson and a second bust, if they had accepted an “enticing” trade offer at 13th overall.
Unfortunately for the Rams, they picked Robinson. Fortunately for the Rams, they also picked Donald.
Holmes notes that he was nervous to give Donald too high of a grade because he knew that coaches were going to be skeptical of a defensive tackle who only weighed 285 lbs. But he relayed to Jeff Fisher and Les Snead the story of Donald anxiously waiting for practice a half-hour early and convinced the front office that he was a special prospect mostly because of his intangibles.
The Rams were convinced that Donald was the best pick for them too and then when Donald was available at pick 13, nothing would move Les and Jeff off of the pick. Holmes says the team got an enticing trade offer but “Jeff and Les were like absolutely not, we’re picking this guy.”
Holmes also notes that it was a close decision between picking Robinson over Watkins with the second overall pick, but that it was one of those things that came down to the “premium positions”, which Holmes puts in quotes.
znModeratorFrom Execs, coaches, players rank NFL’s top 10 defensive tackles for 2023
Jeremy Fowler
NFL training camps are fast approaching, which means it is again time for the league’s true insiders to have their say. As part of ESPN’s 2023 NFL season preview, we surveyed league executives, coaches, scouts and players to help us rank the top 10 players at 11 different positions, from quarterback to cornerback and all positions in between. This is the fourth edition of these rankings, and as usual, several players have moved up or fallen off last year’s lists.
By way of refresher, here’s how our process works: Voters give us their best 10 players at a position, then we compile the results and rank candidates based on number of top-10 votes, composite average and dozens of interviews, with research and film-study help from ESPN NFL analyst Matt Bowen. In total, more than 80 voters submitted a ballot on at least one position, and in many cases all positions. We had several ties, so we broke them with the help of additional voting and follow-up calls with those surveyed.
Each section includes quotes and nuggets from the voters on every ranked player — even the honorable mentions. The objective is to identify the best players right now for 2023. This is not a five-year projection or a career achievement award. Who are the best players today? Check out who makes the list at every position on ESPN+.
Let’s look at some of the game’s top interior defenders as ranked by execs, coaches, scouts and players around the NFL.
1. Aaron Donald, Los Angeles Rams
Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 3
Age: 32 | Last year’s ranking: 1Most evaluators still consider Donald the best, but his hold on the rankings is not as strong as in previous years.
The field is gaining steam as Donald approaches his 10th NFL season.
Last season was the first since Donald’s rookie year in which he didn’t push for first-team All-Pro or Defensive Player of the Year. A high ankle sprain played a part, causing Donald to miss a career-high six games.
“I would say a slight decline — not much, he’s still the best,” a high-ranking NFL scout said. “Some of that is a byproduct of what’s around him — neither side of the ball was as good for the Rams last year.”
Donald has faced 1,797 double-teams since 2017, 152 more than anyone else in the defensive field. Yet he still leads all defensive tackles in pass-rush win rate during that span (26%).
“[In] certain matchups he still affects the game better than anyone — going against linemen who are big but don’t have quickness,” the scout said.
znModeratorSince 2017, @AaronDonald97 has faced 1,797 double teams, 152 more than anyone else in the defensive field. Yet he still leads all defensive tackles in pass-rush win rate during that span (26%), according to @JFowlerESPN. pic.twitter.com/ojC5QHar2o
— Los Angeles Rams PR (@TheLARamsPR) July 11, 2023
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Brad Holmes shares which draft prospect he pounded the table for with the Rams
On “The Season with Peter Schrager”, Holmes recalled how he pushed for Los Angeles to take Johnson in 2017.
“For me, it was John Johnson. The safety out of BC,” Holmes said. “I’ll never forget, we get into the third round and you get to those points in the draft when the board just looks kind of foggy. No one’s standing out, it’s kind of just static. And everyone’s just kind of staring at it and I just said, ‘John Johnson. Let’s just pick John Johnson.’ I’ll never forget Wade Phillips, he looks over and says, ‘John Johnson?’ I said, ‘I’m telling you, this guy’s a starter. He’s a starter.’ And so Wade Phillips, I love Wade Phillips, he’s just like, ‘Oh, if he’s a starter then.’ I just kept pounding the table for John Johnson. I said, ‘I’m telling you, John Johnson.’”
znModeratorListening to episode 1. It’s as good as advertized.
One small thing. Raheem Morris goes way back with these guys, so of course with McVay. Morris, K.Shanahan, McDaniel (SF OC, now Miami HC), and Matt LaFleur were all in Washington together under Mike Shanahan.
The premise of this whole podcast is to follow the K.Shanahan/S.McVay coaching tree from the start to now, and Morris was around that group from the start.
znModeratorSteve Wyche@wyche89I am two episodes in. This is the type of podcast the elevates football and human behavioral knowledge multiple levels. Ego, courage, intellect and bucketloads of IDGAF. Coaches and players at all levels will check this out to find out the what, why and HOW!.Myles@chiefs15to87tdI love the series, been listening to it all day. Great work and great insight on the Shanahan coaching tree, love the amount of detail on the evolution of playcalling..T.D.@Mr_TDownListened to the complete series today. Brilliant listen and the level of insight was fascinating. The intricacies of “the playcallers” how their paths, influencers, those they influence all cross and collide was something I hadn’t fully appreciated before. Amazing series.SeattleRams@seattlerams_nflI just finished the final episode and was disappointed that the series was only 5 hours long. ?? I can listen to this kind of content all day long!Incredible series
Seth Wickersham@SethWickersham
This podcast series by @JourdanRodrigue is so good. You think you know the story of these men who have taken over the league and ushered football into a new era. But you don’t. So much disclosure and new reporting. Congrats to Jourdan
znModerator"The Playcallers" is here!
Every day this week, I'll to share behind-the-scenes details and favorite moments from each episode.
Starting with Episode 1: "The kids are all right"
Proper homage is paid to the innovation loop that begins our story…https://t.co/MmzSRptAU4— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) July 10, 2023
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"The Playcallers" Ep 2: When football breaks (notes and details thread)https://t.co/Jq1V9YCclF
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) July 11, 2023
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July 11, 2023 at 5:14 pm in reply to: the 2023 OL thread (w/ definitive article posted on 5/30) #144563
znModeratorOffseason position reset: Offensive line
Stu Jackson
https://www.therams.com/news/offseason-position-reset-offensive-line-x5608
With the offseason program wrapped and training camp coming up in late July, theRams.com will be taking an updated look at positions on the team’s roster.
Up next: Offensive line.
Key offseason moves
Selected Steve Avila in the second round of this year’s draft. With a background in playing center and both guard spots, Avila brings valuable position flexibility to the offensive line.
Re-signed Coleman Shelton to a two-year contract. Shelton’s versatility being able to play guard or center has made him a critical piece to Los Angeles’ offensive line rotation over the last two seasons.Who’s under contract
70 – OT Joe Noteboom
Height: 6-5
Weight: 321 lbs
College: TCU
2022 stats: Started first six games of the season before sustaining season-ending Achilles injury in Week 6 against the Panthers.77 – OT Alaric Jackson
Height: 6-7
Weight: 285 lbs
College: Iowa
2022 stats: Started in six of eight games played before being shut down the remainder of the season due to blood clots.79 – OT Rob Havenstein
Height: 6-8
Weight: 330 lbs
College: Wisconsin
2022 stats: Started all 17 regular season games.61 – OT AJ Arcuri
Height: 6-7
Weight: 320 lbs
College: Michigan State
2022 stats: Played in eight games, making one start.71 – OT Warren McClendon Jr.
Height: 6-4
Weight: 300 lbs
College: Georgia
2022 stats: Started at right tackle in all 14 games for back-to-back national champion Georgia.57 – OT Zachary Thomas
Height: 6-5
Weight: 300 lbs
College: San Diego State
2022 stats: Played in one game after being signed off the Bears’ practice squad in mid-November.72 – OT Tremayne Anchrum Jr.
Height: 6-2
Weight: 314 lbs
College: Clemson
2022 stats: Played in two games, starting one before sustaining a broken ankle in Week 2 against the Falcons that forced him to miss the rest of the season.60 – G Logan Bruss
Reserve/Injured
Height: 6-5
Weight: 309 lbs
College: Wisconsin
2022 stats: Did not play in 2022 after tearing his ACL and MCL against the Texans in Week 2 of the preseason.73 – G Steve Avila
Height: 6-3
Weight: 332 lbs
College: TCU
2022 stats: Started all 15 games at left guard for national runner-up TCU.55 – OC Brian Allen
Height: 6-2
Weight: 303 lbs
College: Michigan State
2022 stats: Started all seven games he played in; missed five after undergoing a knee procedure following an injury sustained in the season opener, missed another two for a thumb injury sustained in Week 10 against the Cardinals, then missed the final three games because of a calf injury sustained in Week 15 against the Packers.65 – OG Coleman Shelton
Height: 6-4
Weight: 299 lbs
College: Washington
2022 stats: Started all 13 games played; missed four due to high ankle sprain sustained in Week 4 against the 49ers.66 – OC Sean Maginn
Height: 6-3
Weight: 298 lbs
College: Wake Forest
2022 stats: Started all 13 games at left guard in his final season at Wake Forest.68 – OC Mike McAllister
Height: 6-2
Weight: 305 lbs
College: Youngstown State
2022 stats: Started all 11 games at center in his final season at Youngstown State.63 – OL Grant Miller
Height: 6-3
Weight: 306 lbs
College: Baylor
2022 stats: 12-game starter in his final collegiate season at Baylor.What’s next
Figuring out the rest of the starting five. Besides veteran Rob Havenstein at right tackle, every position along the offensive line is up for grabs based on the combinations experimented with this spring. Quarterback Matthew Stafford already acknowledged the position battle at center with Shelton and Allen both rotating there throughout OTAs. Another factor in that is also players who are getting healthy after season-ending injuries in 2022 like Tremayne Anchrum Jr. and Logan Bruss.
July 11, 2023 at 5:07 pm in reply to: top 5 Rams clutch passes of all time (that I saw live at the time) #144562
znModerator.@BakerMayfield's miraculous Week 14 comeback last season by the numbers:
3 — Days Baker had been on the @RamsNFL
13 — Deficit the Rams faced in 4th quarter
98 – Yards the Rams had to drive with less than two minutes and no timeouts pic.twitter.com/4gBwrNRuGB— NFL (@NFL) July 11, 2023
znModeratorPenalty stats from 2022 show the Rams were still one of the most disciplined teams in the NFL despite going 5-12 https://t.co/s5phCuOYgA
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 11, 2023
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Joe Gibbs of Sharp Football Analysis ran the numbers on penalties from last season and the Rams graded out as one of the top teams. He gave Los Angeles an A- grade, pointing to a handful of notable stats.
First and foremost, the Rams committed the second-fewest penalties per game last year (4.47). That number was so low in part because the Rams averaged only 1.35 pre-snap penalties per game, which was the third-fewest in football. That’s particularly impressive considering how many different offensive line groups the Rams started throughout the year, constantly cycling through players because of injury.
It wasn’t just the offense that played sound football, either. The defense committed the fourth-fewest passing penalties in the NFL, helped by their lack of roughing the passer penalties; according to Gibbs, the Rams were one of just three teams that didn’t commit a single roughing the passer penalty in 2022.
The 2022 season was a complete 180 from their Super Bowl winning season in 2021. Injuries and lack of depth decimated their team. Throughout it all, they still managed to be one of the least penalized teams in the NFL.
McVay teams are very detail-oriented, and even with a constant rotation of new personnel on this Rams team in 2022, that didn’t change.
znModeratorlink: https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/
The Playcallers Ep. 1: The kids are all right
Welcome to The Playcallers – a five-part podcast series that explores the innovation, competition and sometimes even self-destruction inside the N.F.L.’s youngest coaching family.
In Episode 1, host Jourdan Rodrigue details the origins of the Shanahan/McVay offensive system, which over time grew into the most popular in the sport. Unique circumstances push Kyle Shanahan to start to evolve this system as he joins up with other young coaches in Tampa Bay, Houston and Washington. A collision of forces, dysfunction and talent culminates in the offensive explosion (and then implosion) in Washington with rookie quarterback Robert Griffin the Third.
Voices in the episode include Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, Matt LaFleur, Raheem Morris and Robert Griffin the Third.
The Playcallers Ep. 2: When football breaks
Once candidates for the same head coaching jobs, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay’s dynamic gets complicated as they turn into NFC rivals in San Francisco and Los Angeles. Host Jourdan Rodrigue goes inside how both coaches’ modern offenses take shape and the untold stories of McVay’s hiring process by the Rams. Eventually, McVay’s Rams take the NFL by storm in 2017-18. But all the while, one of the greatest coaches in NFL history is lying in wait to teach McVay a humiliating lesson in Super Bowl LIII…just a couple of years after Shanahan’s own Super Bowl heartbreak at the hands of that same veteran coach.
Voices in the episode include McVay, Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Les Snead, Kevin Demoff, Andrew Whitworth, Mina Kimes and Steve Wyche.
The Playcallers Ep. 3: You are not me
How far can Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay go to evolve their own offenses? Each coach hires a defensive coordinator who is their perfect schematic opposite. In San Francisco, Shanahan and Robert Saleh’s epic practice battles shape what are now the NFL’s best defenses. In Los Angeles, McVay’s and Brandon Staley’s schemes clash as McVay becomes wholly obsessed with finding out how his offense can be solved. Host Jourdan Rodrigue studies the collision of apex systems and how the ripple effects start to shape each team – and the entire NFL.
Voices in the episode include McVay, Shanahan, Saleh, Staley, Thomas Brown, Andrew Whitworth, Mina Kimes, and Steve Wyche.
The Playcallers Ep. 4: Blood can blind
Sean McVay becomes the first coach from this coaching family to win the Super Bowl, but it costs him more personally than he could have realized. Before McVay gets to the championship, he has to exorcise his “Kyle Shanahan demons” in the NFC Championship game. Shanahan and Mike McDaniel built their offense into a versatile, punishing group as McVay’s own system centers around the flourish of the passing game. McDaniel, who becomes the Dolphins head coach in 2022, starts stretching his legs after so much time working under Shanahan. Meanwhile, Matt LaFleur’s own Packers offense is built around compromise and a Hall of Fame quarterback. In speaking with host Jourdan Rodrigue, each head coach opens up about how play-calling has shaped their identity.
Voices in the episode include McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, McDaniel, Kevin O’Connell, Zac Taylor, Kevin Demoff, Les Snead, Raheem Morris, Andrew Whitworth, Mina Kimes and Steve Wyche.
The Playcallers Ep. 5: To resist it is useless
A look at the modern NFL shows that variants of this offensive system – and even the defensive systems it pulled into its innovation loop – are everywhere. What happens when it becomes too saturated? How do coaches know when to jump into what comes next? Host Jourdan Rodrigue also looks at the unintended consequences the explosion in popularity of coaches from this offense have had on the NFL’s hiring practices. Meanwhile, coaches across the league are candid about how they try to evolve and adapt in a sport that endlessly moves in patterns and cycles.
Voices in the episode include Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Raheem Morris, Kevin O’Connell, Thomas Brown, Kevin Demoff, Les Snead, Andrew Whitworth and Robert Griffin the Third.
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znModeratorEric Dickerson #Rams pic.twitter.com/YasTxH77uf
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znModerator25 = Norm Van Brocklin (at least when he was with the @RamsNFL)
25 = how many days until this summer's Enshrinement festivities.Attend Enshrinement: https://t.co/eGsgc7TFwP pic.twitter.com/0g98zE9gJ8
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Vote on the #RamsHouse finalist in the comments! 🗳 pic.twitter.com/kcKQFgtFTC
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July 9, 2023 at 4:37 pm in reply to: the 2023 OL thread (w/ definitive article posted on 5/30) #144551
znModeratorAlaric Jackson is competing for snaps at left tackle and guard, potentially starting at one of the two positions https://t.co/WLLQmjPZb5
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 9, 2023
znModeratorlahornsgear@Horns2016@Horns2016One of many questions going into to training camp is how the Rams use Michael Hoecht? Last year Hoecht showed ability to rush the passer, getting 4.5 sacks in 10 starts. But at 300lbs, Hoecht is not the prototypical size for that position and the Rams prefer their OLB to be.in the 245 to 250 range. I would expect Hoecht to a least be a situational pass rusher, but a lot of that will depend on the development of both Rams OLB draft choices Byron Young and Nick Hamilton.
znModeratorByron Young is only a rookie but he could play a significant role for the Rams in Year 1 https://t.co/u9HBuH1Kry
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 8, 2023
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