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znModeratorA message for Matthew Stafford from @Eminem. pic.twitter.com/LJO3np0xSw
— Sunday Night Football on NBC (@SNFonNBC) January 14, 2024
znModeratorHere are my favorite comments on Wms from this thread. In fact I think this is the best thread on Wms in the entire internet.
Consistently runs with the right tempo to let blocks develop. Has the burst to plant his foot and take advantage of holes created….He will press the hole when needed or throttle back to allow his blocks to develop….quickness and burst to take advantage of holes created
i like especially that he’s so efficient with his touches.
kyren is the biggest revelation of this offense.
The Rams averaged 14.25 points per game, and were 1-3 without Williams. With Williams, the Rams have averaged 26.375/game, and are 5-3. It appears that he is a difference-maker in this offense.
Kyren is the best red zone weapon that the Rams have had in quite some time.
I’m just astonished at how he quick-slithers through traffic, and then bursts.
Williams and Nakua are, like, all-pros at this point. Seriously. Amazing.
In some ways Williams is the most interesting/fun RB to watch/analyze in a long time.
Great vision and contact balance. Makes a ton of good decisions on the fly, and tacklers miss him going through the hole.
just constantly putting the offense in favorable situations to keep them in rhythm.
roberto clemente@rclemente2121 k.williams ranks #1 in run success rate among all rb for 2023 – he also ranks #1 for the 2010-2023 fourteen-year stretch.
I cant remember ‘enjoying’ watching ‘the way’ a RB runs this much since Faulk. And since Faulk had more talent, its almost ‘more’ fun to watch KW because he’s doing it with less raw-measurable-talent. Its often a subtle nuanced talent. And it took me a while to ‘see it.’ But once you see it, you just have to smile on almost every run. Whether its a one yard gain or a fifteen yard gain he’s ‘do’in shit’ out there.
January 14, 2024 at 12:43 am in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148664
znModeratorWhen was the last time a player threatened to req a trade if a specific coach wasn't hired?
Seems a pretty big deal. https://t.co/hnozoEZBfy
— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 13, 2024
znModeratorKevin Dotson proved to be one of the best trades in the NFL this year. The former Steeler had his best season yet and was deserving of all the accolades. Dotson
Dotson graded one of the top Guards in the league according to @PFF.
I love his ability to finish plays! Great motor pic.twitter.com/fFg2dTEfLv
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) January 13, 2024
znModeratorI mean WTF does one do with that ? What is he? He’s like….a platypus. w v
Yeah Foles is a weird one. In a different way so is Wentz. For some of the same reasons and some different reasons.
I delve into the arcane reaches of knowledge in discussing Foles, and using a combination of advanced physics, French crimonology, and the Japanese samurai code, I have deduced that the most significant and scientifically rigorous term we can use to describe his career is—
“streaky”
I can show the math if you want but I assume that won’t be necessary.
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znModeratorbut i wouldn’t even consider him a veteran starting caliber qb.
“Starting caliber” can be and mostly is assigned retrospectively. We say that kind of thing about a qb after they prove that’s what they are. Or we say they’re not, after they prove they’re not.
You can maybe guess that about him beforehand (which DV did–that’s why he wouldn’t budge on him being the #2 in spite of Martz not wanting that).
But we know a qb is that by how they played, past tense. So it’s retrospective.
Either way the question wv asked was, was he a veteran. And I say yes. By which I just mean he wasn’t a rookie. Far from it in fact. He wasn’t a rookie when he started his first game in 99. Absolutely not.
Some argue Goff could have been better as a rookie if he had a decent offensive coaching staff. Which is probably true.
Nevertheless all the gray areas aside, that’s 65 games with qb issues. The one year that maybe people can argue about is 2016. That would make it 58 games without a starting caliber qb.
If I even forget about Goff, Fisher had OL issues and/or no starting caliber qb for 58 games, and in that span he went 24/34, a winning percentage of 41.3%.
McVay had severe ongoing issues at qb and/or OL for 16 games in 2022. He went 5-12. A winning percentage of 29.4%.
Is Fisher a better coach than McVay? No one ever says so. And quite rightly. BUT. He would have done better than he did if he had both a starting caliber qb and a relatively healthy OL for more than just 15 of 73 games (not counting Goff’s starts in 2016). This is reinforced by the fact that even the better coach, McVay, did not do as well as Fisher did under those particular adverse circumstances. 41.3% v. 29.4% under the same specific conditions.
Neither a Fisher nor a McVay does well under those conditions. Why? Because pretty much no one does.
Without those conditions Fisher probably would have won more than he did. Which is not saying he’s as good a coach as McVay. McVay is better than virtually every Rams coach except IMO Vermeil, and to me Vermeil and McVay have different strengths and they’re a tie.
znModeratorBut to the larger point about Fisher, yeah, he was kilt by injuries. Fisher could have been Robinson-level I think, without the bad-luck.
I agree with that.
As for this, it gets into all sorts of gray areas:
Well, DV had Kurt. Do you consider him a veteran in 99?
Yes. I do. He wasn’t a veteran starter before 99 but he was no newbie. By 99 Kurt had been in a Green Bay training camp his rookie year (94). From 95 through 98 he played in the Arena league and then in NFL Europe. In 98 he was a Ram and went through a whole training camp and then was on the final roster all season. In 99 Martz didn’t want Warner as the #2 qb and DV insisted (in fact it’s Martz who tells that story). So Vermeil had some sense of what he could handle.
In the 99 season Warner was a 28 year old who last played college ball in 1993 and had played in 2 other leagues and had been to 3 NFL training camps. So he kind of defies our categories.
i wouldn’t consider goff to have been a grizzled veteran qb either at the time.
When I usually discuss this as I have for years I am very precise about saying “veteran starting caliber” qb. I mean this point has come up before with Rams fans who harbor absolutely no good feelings about Fisher so any even tepid little defense like the one I offer sets off firestorms, or has done so anyway. So over the years I was very precise about saying veteran starting caliber qb. The way I was using the term “veteran starting caliber qb,” it excludes pure rookies. And as phrased it excludes anyone who was basically not good enough to get and maintain a starting qb role (Clemens, Hill, Austin, Keenum, Mannion, Wolford, Perkins, and Rypien to name a few starting in 2015). IMO it also excludes Foles. Since it’s a retrospective designation, it can include both Warner and Bulger as “starting caliber” since in fact, they were. (And neither was a starter as a rookie.)
Is Wentz a starting caliber qb? I would argue that like Jeff George he brought a lot of controversy with him where he went but still should be considered starting caliber. Wentz also got injured a lot. Banks in the end, in contrast, proved he wasn’t a starting caliber qb.
Maybe a simpler way to put this is a franchise qb. That is someone who came back multiple times as a starter and was seen as such until the end.
Who is a franchise qb by that definition? Warner, Green, Bulger, Bradford, Goff, Stafford, and Mayfield. Of those, 2 were elite (Warner, Stafford) and 4 proved to be good to very good (Green, Bulger, Goff, Mayfield).
Controversial? Are they or not? Foles and Wentz.
Absolutely not? Clemens, Hill, Austin, Keenum, Mannion, Wolford, Perkins, and Rypien.
znModeratorMy favorite performance against Detroit may always be @sj39 willing the Rams to victory in 2009. Both teams were desperate for a Win but I don’t think anybody was going to deny Steven Jackson this day.
Hard to believe but Matthew Stafford was there to witness as a rookie QB pic.twitter.com/6LF73fQyz2
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) January 12, 2024
znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTWhen Stafford, Williams, Nacua, and Kupp are on the field together, the Rams average .18 EPA per play…That’s tied for the 9th-highest mark since the 2000 season..With a .16 EPA per designed rush, the Rams are tied for 1st since 2000.
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTAaron Donald is now an 8x first-team all-pro which is the same as Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White. Cemented among the Greatest of All-Time!
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRamsRams DT Aaron Donald named First-Team All-Pro, WR Puka Nacua and RB Kyren Williams Second-Team All-Pro by Associated Press:.
It's so cool to see these young bucks get their just recognition around the NFL landscape..
Congratulations on being named NFL All-Pro's @AsapPuka and @Kyrenwilliams23!!! pic.twitter.com/q4KapXRXRd
— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) January 12, 2024
znModeratorLions … are currently blitzing at a 35.2% clip on third and fourth down, the second-highest behind only the aforementioned Giants.
Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTRams starters weren’t very sharp in Week 17 against a Giants defense that blitzed heavily. Over the back-half of the season, the Lions went from 17th in blitz-rate to 4th. On 3rd and 4th down, they are behind only Wink Martindale. Stafford is 14th against the blitz in 2023.
znModeratorI should be more cognizant of Allen, but he was before my Rams Fan time. I started with 70s Knox.
I can’t comment on him because my rule is I have to see them. But that doesn’t mean I dismiss him. It’s just a restriction on what I personally feel I can say. But I listen to people who point out all his virtues as a coach.
For the people from my time, as I said I put DV and McV in a tie and at the same time don’t quibble if somebody favors one.
Afterwards for me come 70s Knox, Robinson, and Martz. Martz was more dynamic and innovative and successful than the other 2, but Martz was also toxic in some ways, and was hampered by the ascent of Zygmunt.
Then a tier down, Fisher. Fisher could have done better if he ever had both a relatively healthy OL and a veteran starting caliber qb at the same time. Out of 80 games with the Rams he had both things at the same time for 15 games. He;s absolutely not DV/McV level, but then neither DV nor McV excelled when in the same bad circumstances–ie. not having both a good veteran starting caliber qb and a relatively healthy OL at the same time (that covers 98 and 2022).
The bottom of the barrel guys are–in alphabetical and so actually no particular order–Brooks, Knox 2, Linehan, and Spagnola. It is true that both Lineola and Spagehan dealt with qb and OL injuries on massive scales, but, they had profound issues as head coaches too. With them, it goes this far with me–there were things I didn’t like about either of those 2 as head coaches, so even if they had relatively healthy teams with healthy qbs, and won some games, I would still downgrade them. Spagnola is a top coordinator (Chiefs) but he wasn’t head coach material back then and most likely won’t be in the future. Linehan was just a bad Zygmunt hire. IMO Zygmunt just wanted a placid yes-man as a balance against his years with the more combative Martz. IMO it’s a good policy to downgrade anything that suited Zygmunt.
znModeratorThis is from the full article (by Tice), which is here: Rams “reset” is ahead of schedule
This bit is about the Lions game and so fits here too:
The Lions went from blitzing at the 17th-highest rate in the first half of the season to the fourth-highest rate and are currently blitzing at a 35.2% clip on third and fourth down, the second-highest behind only the aforementioned Giants.
The Lions defense will also be an interesting matchup for this Rams unit. Because while this Lions unit still ranks just 24th in combined explosive and successful play rate since their bye week, they rank ninth in success rate defending the run against three-wide-receiver personnel groupings. That’s what the Rams run almost exclusively (more than 95% of their snaps). But in the Rams’ favor, the Lions are pretty poor in defending the duo run concept, allowing the fourth-most EPA per play against it.
The Lions pass defense can still be up and down and is always susceptible to explosive plays because of the preference for playing man coverage or blitzing, which could play right into Stafford’s hands (no quarterback loves to gash blitzing defensive coordinators more than Stafford). But being simple is also a no-go against a thrower of Stafford’s caliber. It will be an interesting chess match to watch play out in the passing game, with the run game coming down to how quickly the inconsistent Lions linebackers can fill the run (or how Glenn can change the picture on the Rams offensive line). Luckily for the Lions, the one gigantic thorn in their side this year, having to defend out of their base defense with three linebackers, will likely not be a thing picked on by the Rams and their light personnel groupings.
But this is why Rams general manager Les Snead and McVay traded for Stafford and why the Rams have evolved their attack. The potential questions or roadblocks that might have faced this offense (and team) before not only have answers but now have definitive answers. They have the ability to not only pivot but also excel at whatever they want to pivot to. It has led the Rams to the playoffs with a real chance to make some noise.
znModeratorfrom Lions writer: https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/1/11/24029804/rams-lions-preview-dan-campbell-betting-odds
Q: The Rams obviously know QB Jared Goff well given he spent his first five seasons in LA. Goff has played well in his third year with the Lions, passing for 4,575 yards and 30 touchdowns. Despite that, turnovers have been a major issue for him in the second half. What would be the ideal defensive gameplan for the Rams to slow down Goff and the Detroit offense to have any chance at an upset?
A: Pressure, pressure, pressure. Moving him off of his spot is the key to rattling Jared Goff because there’s not much to his game when he’s out of rhythm and left creating out of structure. Teams that can generate that push from the interior can especially make life very difficult for the Lions passing game.
From Week 11 through Week 14, Goff turned over the football nine times (five interceptions, four fumbles), and it was a product of pressure. In 2023, Goff finished t-8th in turnover-worthy play rate (5.4%) when under pressure, and the seven quarterbacks ahead of him aren’t the kind of company you want to keep: Mac Jones, Desmond Ridder, Gardner Minshew, Trevor Lawrence, Joshua Dobbs, Sam Howell, and Jake Browning. Goff’s six touchdowns to nine interceptions when under pressure sit in stark contrast to the 24 touchdowns and just three interceptions when kept clean.
But before you can get to Goff, you need to slow down the Lions dynamic rushing attack of David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs, two players who each accumulated over 1,100 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns. If the Rams struggle against the run, where they ranked 20th in DVOA, they’ll have less opportunities to get after Goff in the third-and-long situations they’d prefer to put him in.</p>
January 12, 2024 at 8:54 am in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148639
znModeratorWhat a quick rise it's been for Mayo. Awesome to see.
Also, he's now the youngest head coach in the NFL (by a month!), taking the title from Sean McVay. https://t.co/wZAjHPCVeA
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 12, 2024
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Ian Rapoport@RapSheetWhile so much of the focus was on Mike Vrabel, the internal focus for the #Patriots was always on Jerod Mayo. It was written into his contract that he would be the successor to Bill Belichick. Now, he will be.
znModeratori think at least in the example of gould i think more than anything it was the experience he brought. samples came in last year as a 28 year old i think. it sounded more like he was in over his head.
Some material from “the archive.”
Bit 1:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2023-09-22/sean-mcvay-rams-cam-akers-trade-vikings
McVay had moved the much-respected Thomas Brown from running backs coach to tight ends to bolster the assistant’s resume in pursuit of an offensive coordinator job. McVay replaced him with Ra’Shaad Samples, a young coach with no NFL experience.
Early in the season, McVay called out Akers for a lack of intensity. He later exiled Akers for several games and the Rams unsuccessfully tried to trade him.
By December, Samples was encouraged to move on for an opportunity at Arizona State. Brown resumed coaching running backs and Akers finished the season by rushing for more than 100 yards in three straight games.
Last February, the Carolina Panthers hired Brown as offensive coordinator, and McVay hired Ron Gould as running backs coach.
Bit 2. This bit is a transcript from a Rodrigue podcast. The immediate topic here was, how the Rams had to rush to replace coaches after the super bowl in 2021, which meant they started later than usual:
He started to hire people who were green who he thought he could mold to be an extension of his own thinking on the kinds of core things he wants to do. Samples, the RB coach, came up. Brown was moved out of the RB room and then the issues start and (Rodrigue strongly implies) Samples wasn’t up to it. The RB room imploded. Now they didn’t have a coach with the tools to solve that (they then moved Brown back to RB). A lot of this also had to do with the fact that because they went to the super bowl, the position coaches McV wanted weren’t there anymore.
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January 11, 2024 at 8:28 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148627
znModeratorI’m pretty comfortable saying Belichex was one of, if not the, greatest ‘defensive minds’ of the modern NFL. I think there’s a consensus on that.
Bellichick was a great D coach, no question.
(Now I am going into huddle style fake “outraged homer” mode, for fun).
But I will tell you what your beloved Bellichick never did. He never took his team to the playoffs with the league’s worst special teams unit. Worst in all phases. And with a tanking, beat-up old quarterback on top of it.
So maybe he’s not the greatest coach of all time after all.
January 11, 2024 at 7:57 pm in reply to: hiring/firing around the league (including Carroll & Belichick) #148624
znModeratorSaw on a vid, that Belichex had “15 top-five defenses” over the years. 9 with the Pats, 4 with the Giants and 1 with the Browns. Its notable because he is linked with Brady so often. But Brady had nuthin to do with the great defenses. w v
I’m a “it was Brady” kinda guy.
Lot’s of teams with perennially good defenses didn’t win the prize. Like for example the 70s Rams. What if we could manipulate time, and send in-his-prime Brady back to the Knox Rams in 1973. Their defenses from 73 through 77 were ranked 1, 3, 2, 4, 4, 1.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Rams RB Kyren Williams had a good comment on position coach Ron Gould in his first year in the role in the NFL: “He cares a lot about his players … He gives as much to all of us as he does individually to us. He allows me to slow myself down and understand the game that isactually in front of me. … When he got here, he sat me down and (taught) me the game of football. His motto is, ‘understanding leads to control.’ If you understand what you’re doing, you can control the situation depending on you.”
znModeratorNote: I just posted 2 big articles above. I mention this because it might look at first like it’s just one. Look for the article by Rodrigue, followed by the article by Tice.
znModeratorFantastic read and highly recommend. One of my favorite breakdowns in this article is the detail on why the Rams incorporated + increased stuff out of pistol post-bye week. Talk about an adjustment. Really cool insight here. https://t.co/xjR4BlwsX7
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) January 11, 2024
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The Overhang: Matthew Stafford has unlocked the most advanced version of the Rams offense yet
In January 2021, less than two years after torching the NFL with one of the best offenses in recent memory, the Los Angeles Rams hit a crossroad with their offense, head coach and starting quarterback. The Rams offense — which so recently felt fresh and dynamic, with its full commitment to three-wide-receiver looks, varying tempos and heavy use of motion on every snap — had started to feel tight, stagnant and claustrophobic.
The zone-heavy run started to get stonewalled by adjusting defensive coordinators running special game-planned fronts to nullify the Rams’ ground game. The passing game that featured Jared Goff faking runs before firing deep route after deep route to Brandin Cooks or another ball across the middle to Cooper Kupp or Robert Woods was starting to be solved by safeties who started to see the passing concepts more frequently.
But a divisional-round loss to the Green Bay Packers at the end of the 2020 season, as well as several stretches of a plateauing offense, led to a hard pivot from the Rams. They searched for a way to lift their offense when the run game hit a wall because of mediocre line or running back play. They needed a way to bail the offense out when defenses did anticipate the play.
This search for an answer led to a blockbuster trade between the Rams and Detroit Lions, who joined the party by swapping former No. 1 overall draft picks in a league-wide turning point that turned into launching points for two eras for their respective franchises. The Lions under head coach Dan Campbell began a rebuild with Goff as their steady hand to guide the offense, while Matthew Stafford was the final something to put the Rams over the top when defenses clamped down on their preferred play-action-heavy passing attack under head coach Sean McVay.
The Rams won the Super Bowl at the end of the 2021 season, essentially one full year from when they pulled the trigger on the Goff-Stafford (and picks) swap. Meanwhile, the Lions began their ascent into one of the NFL’s best turnaround stories in quite some time with Campbell and Goff at the helm. It culminated this season with the Lions’ first division title in three decades and a dozen wins on their way to earning the No. 3 seed in the NFC.
The Rams offense has evolved since Sean McVay’s early days as head coach, and it has everything to do with the 2021 blockbuster trade that brought quarterback Matthew Stafford to town. (Photo by Keith Birmingham/MediaNews Group/Pasadena Star-News via Getty Images)
And because the sports gods have a sense of humor, in the first home Lions playoff game in 30 years, that very same Stafford-led Rams team happens to be the wild-card opponent, as the teams meet Sunday night at Ford Field. In this week’s edition of The Overhang, we’ll look at how the Rams built their offense around Stafford and why it’s working so well.
The Lions offense with Goff, which is one of the league’s best under offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, is led by a strong run game spearheaded by a strong offensive line that includes All-Pro candidates in center Frank Ragnow and right tackle Penei Sewell and a classic thunder-and-lightning running back pairing in David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs. They also feature an explosive pass-catching group that has a similar thunder-and-lightning feel, with the speedy Jameson Williams and hyper-efficient Amon-Ra St. Brown in their wide receiver room, as well as the world’s most psychedelic (and hopefully healthy) security blanket, rookie tight end Sam LaPorta, winning seemingly everywhere across the formation.
The Lions’ offensive formula, perhaps fittingly, is much like those Goff-led Rams teams: constantly peppering the run game and hitting defenses over the top off of play-action concepts and shot plays, with Goff firing over the middle like he’s still a Cal Golden Bear.
In a twist on the past, the Lions entered this season seen as an actual contender, flipping the script of expectations with the Rams. The Lions’ offensive success this year feels almost expected — they ranked in the top five in yards per play, success rate, EPA per play and weighted offensive DVOA in 2022, returned all their major players and, sure enough, rank in the top seven in all of the same categories this season — and Johnson is seen as one of the top head-coaching candidates as we enter the silly season. Campbell could win NFL Coach of the Year. Three Lions offensive players were named to the Pro Bowl, and another five were named alternates.
Those former champion Rams? Still with Stafford, Kupp, Aaron Donald and McVay, they seemed like an afterthought in 2023. They were a former heavyweight that ended their contendership era with a flourish and now must deal with the reality of those missing draft picks and life in the salary-cap margins.
With sports books projecting a total of 6.5 wins in a division featuring a Super Bowl favorite and another playoff hopeful, the Rams were seen more as a curiosity than a playoff contender. They were a sideshow attraction featuring throws from an aging gunslinger and a couple of cool play designs from a coach with one eye on the announcer’s booth and the other eye on his collection of rookies and former Day 3 draft picks littered throughout the Rams roster.
But that very same Rams offense also features:
- A revamped offensive line that starts two former undrafted free agents and no former first-round selections among its ranks.
- A 194-pound, former fifth-round selection at running back who entered the season with 35 carries to his name.
- A rookie wide receiver who was also a fifth-round selection and barely cracked a 4.6 40-yard dash at the NFL combine.
- Another wide receiver who looks more like an MLS winger than an NFL player.
- Cooper Kupp out for the first chunk of the season due to a hamstring injury.
Yes, that group finished among the upper echelon of NFL offenses in 2023. The Rams’ 5.6 yards per play was tied for sixth with the Dallas Cowboys. Their 43.4% offensive success rate was eighth, a few good plays behind the Lions. They ranked fourth in weighted offensive DVOA, three spots ahead of the Lions offense.
Those former fifth-round selections, second-year running back Kyren Williams and rookie receiver Puka Nacua? Both ended up being named to this year’s Pro Bowl, with both having cases to make this season’s All-Pro team. They are two of the main characters of this Rams renaissance. Their versatile play, especially when grouped with the Rams’ original skeleton key, Kupp, has led to a devastating offensive assault in Los Angeles.
On the 386 plays for which Stafford, Kupp, Nacua and Williams have been on the field together this season, the Rams go from a “very good” offense to the top offense in the NFL — and one that operates at an all-time clip. On those 386 plays, the Rams average .18 EPA per play, which easily ranks first this season and would be tied for the ninth-highest mark since the 2000 season. Yes, it’s less than half of the plays that a typical NFL offense would run in a given year, but it’s still a chunky sample size, and the offenses the Rams would be tied with are notable! There’s the 2010 and 2011 Patriots, the 2016 Falcons, the 2006 Colts and an offense I have a personal affection for, the 2004 Vikings.
The beauty of this year’s Rams offense is that it’s a merger between the first year of Stafford in Los Angeles and the run-first game plans that were the crux of the offense the Rams used during the years with Goff and Todd Gurley. A slight tweak in the run game formula is the final sprinkling.
The Rams in 2021 featured an empty backfield-laden attack that spread the formation out and allowed Stafford to operate as essentially an Air Raid-type quarterback, spreading and shredding defenses for chunks at a time:
The Rams still love to spread defenses out and let Stafford go to work when there are looks for it. In fact, they have leaned away from using as much play-action and instead let Stafford scan the defense and determine his best course of action (which usually involves lots and lots of no-look trick shots). In fact, 71.4% of Stafford’s dropbacks this year were non-screens or did not feature play-action, fourth-highest among qualifying quarterbacks and a notable uptick from 2021’s rate of 65.4%. It’s also in a different stratosphere than Goff’s last season with the Rams in 2020: 56.3%, which would rank 31st when compared to 2023 rates. (Disclaimer: All stats from here on out are filtered with either Goff or Stafford at quarterback for the Rams in their respective seasons.)
This isn’t just quick game, either. The Rams use Stafford on deep dropbacks with full-field concepts that give the veteran answers against all possible coverages:
The Rams have used five- or seven-step dropback footwork (with no play-action) on 139 dropbacks this season, which ranks sixth. In Goff’s 2020 season, the Rams used five- or seven-step dropback footwork on a whopping 36 dropbacks, 29th in the league that year.
Stafford pushes the ball on these concepts, too. To wit, 11.3% of his pass attempts this season traveled 20 more yards in the air, a higher mark than in any Goff season.
Here is Stafford’a heat map this season when Williams, Kupp and Nacua are all on the field:
<figure class=”caas-figure”>Source: TruMedia
It’s not that the Rams don’t use play-action concepts anymore; there just has been a deemphasis on using them. They’ve instead started using straight dropback concepts, especially ones that attack farther down the field, like on true five- and seven-step dropbacks (the depth of the dropback is correlated to the depth of the route concepts and also, understandably, the type of protection used). These plays are especially great for the Rams for a couple of reasons: One, they highlight Stafford’s strengths at the quarterback position, which is to find and fire throws wherever needed with his arm talent and ability to operate from the pocket.
And two, they’re one of the best (but also most difficult to consistently do, hence, Stafford) ways to attack defenses, especially modern defenses that like to run just about every type of coverage under the sun. These plays can pick up yards in a hurry, which means first downs in a hurry, which means points in a hurry. Give a quarterback such as Stafford an answer to get to, even if it isn’t the easiest, and good things will happen.
The difference between that Texas Tech-like offense from the Rams’ Super Bowl year to now is that the Rams’ run game has been reinvigorated to match the aerial assault.
The Rams ran the ball on 40.3% of their first- and second-down snaps with Stafford at quarterback in 2021, a figure that ranked 25th in the NFL that season and a dip from the 43% rate in previous Rams seasons with Goff at quarterback.
This season? That early down rate has bumped up to 45.5%, which would rank 12th in the NFL. That 45.5% rate is higher than every season under McVay besides one (2017, his first year and the season following Goff’s infamous rookie campaign). It’s not just the volume that has made this offense feel more like McVay’s initial Rams teams. They have been running over people on the ground again. They not only have an above-average run rate when those same four Rams players are on the field; they are also an all-time force on the ground. With a .16 EPA per designed rush, that group is tied for first among all NFL offensive seasons since 2000. First! And one of the offenses it would be tied with is the 2011 Carolina Panthers, featuring rookie Cam Newton. Stafford isn’t quite the same threat as a young Newton with his legs.
Even without that ideal personnel, this Rams run game averages .06 EPA per designed run, the highest mark by a Rams offense since that iconic 2018 season.
Why that personnel is so important is because of how McVay deploys Nacua and Kupp. Out of similar formations on every snap, both can motion to and from their tight formation alignments. Both can be used as receivers, rushers or blockers, with the presentation looking exactly the same for defenders. This rushing attack was highlighted on the opening drive against the fantastic Ravens defense in Week 14. Make sure to watch Nacua (No. 17) and Kupp (No. 10) before and after each snap and how similar each formation ends up looking:
The Rams pounding the rock on the first nine plays of their opening drive against the Ravens.
A healthy mix of Duo and different types of Zone runs plus a Jet Sweep to Puka Nacua. All out of a similar formation structure featuring shift & motion galore. pic.twitter.com/AYk7PDtpGt
— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) December 14, 2023
The use of motion in the run game has always been a thing for Rams offenses under McVay. While others pioneered the use of jet motion (shoutout to the Rodgers brothers and their Oregon State teams under Mike Riley), those Rams offenses under McVay fully leaned into it and featured a bevy of wide receivers in motion to confuse defenses at the snap of the ball.
They still put their wide receivers in motion, but this year’s Rams have been on the forefront of using their tight end in motion to help spring the run game (and other plays), which other offenses throughout the league are also starting to use.
There’s the use of motion and the skill set of the Rams players, but McVay has also started to make his former fastball, the zone run concept, into more of a secondary pitch. Moving away from his trademark zone-heavy run scheme, he has evolved into one that is balanced among several concepts.
In 2023, the duo run concept, a former auxiliary run play for the Rams, has become a main player. In both the above tweet featuring runs against the Ravens and the one below against the Cardinals, you can see the Rams alternating between these zone and duo run concepts:
A trademark of this offense has been to make their main plays look as similar as possible, making each snap a game of rock, paper, scissors for defenses to try to figure out. By going from zone to duo as the main crux of this run game, and to keep this analogy going, the Rams have started to throw rock more and more.
Duo is a vertical run concept that attempts to create as many double-teams as possible. Nacua (and Kupp, and previously Woods) help unlock this play with their respective blocking abilities. Because of the Rams’ preference for using three wide receivers, one of those receivers has to be willing to scrap in the run game to help open up the menu of possible plays to run. The duo run concept in particular often features that wide receiver at the point of attack blocking a defensive back. The intelligence of the Rams offense is how they add motion tweaks to help their players and create more advantageous looks.
For instance, against the Cardinals, the Rams put Nacua on a motion to insert on his block from the opposite side of the formation:
The Rams use receivers such as Puka Nacua in motion to create advantageous blocking angles.[/2]
Then, when compared to the zone plays on that same drive, you can see how the formation and motion look the same to the defense, but the angles of attack change for the Rams:
A similar formation features a completely different run play.
The Rams ran zone run concepts nearly 25 times per game in 2018 and 21 times per game in 2020, ranking first and second in their respective seasons (and averaging a healthy 4.7 yards per clip in 2018).
In 2023, that number dropped to about 11 zone run concepts per game, 28th in the NFL. They’re still efficient when they do run zone concepts (see the videos above), but the volume has dropped by more than half. Other run concepts have filled the void, but the duo run concept has seen an uptick in usage, from 30 times in the 2020 season to 100 in 2023. And they bludgeon defenses on this concept, with a rushing success rate of 56% (for comparison, the league average rushing success rate on all run concepts in 2023 is around 35%).
The increase in duo use ties in perfectly as the yang to the zone run’s yin. Zone runs want to start horizontally for the running back to then plant his foot and attack vertically, while duo runs want to start vertically for the running back to then attack horizontally (or more vertically, if it’s possible). Duo runs, much like those deeper passing concepts I talked about before, also have answers to a wide variety of defensive looks. Some are better than others, but they’re still answers. Zone plays can have weaknesses against certain defenses and be rendered unblockable, either from a bad number count in the box or bad angles for double-teams.
Those bad angles are what happened to the Rams offense at the end 2018 season, which began the initial Goff-McVay friction. Vic Fangio, Bill Belichick and other defensive coordinators started aligning defenders across the line of scrimmage to hinder the Rams’ blocking angles, creating “6-1” fronts that took away the foundation on which the offense was built. It’s something that carried over to the following season:
The Rams’ run game started to struggle a few years ago, when opponents began loading up defenders on the line of scrimmage.
Taking away the zone run and the bootleg and play-action concepts tied to it created a dropback-heavy world for the Rams that eventually led to the Goff-Stafford trade. The offense you see from the Rams today is basically McVay running the most defense-proof type of system. The scarring of what those veteran coordinators did to that high-flying offense created a run game with answers to any defensive front or box count and a pass game with answers to any type of defensive coverage or blitz. It’s made possible by a quarterback willing and able to rip the difficult throws needed to make that type of passing game viable while having the intelligence to get through the play menu McVay presents on a given snap.
One last little tweak the Rams have used this year is the pistol alignment, with Stafford four yards from the center and the running back aligned directly behind him. In McVay’s first six seasons as head coach, the Rams didn’t use a single snap of pistol. This year, they’ve used it 96 times on first and second down, the fifth-most snaps in the NFL. Sixty-nine of those 96 snaps (71.9%) came after the Rams’ Week 10 bye, making it something the Rams obviously wanted to start leaning into after they self-evaluated during their time off.
The pistol formation, the midway between shotgun and under center, is a perfect microcosm of the two worlds this Rams offense has merged. Stafford can align away from the center, with space to scan what’s going on, and the running back’s alignment can be hidden from the defense.
The benefit of being in a pistol alignment is that it aligns the running back into a “home” or “neutral” position directly behind the quarterback, as opposed to an offset position to either side of the quarterback. By not aligning to a particular side, the running back limits any potential tells or tendencies that an offense might have. There might be certain run concepts an offense employs with the running back toward or away from the tight end, which allows defenders to narrow their focus to what the offense is likely to do. A neutral-aligned running back does not give any of those formation “strength” indicators.
Or, against a particularly aggressive defensive coordinator, such as Wink Martindale, formerly of the New York Giants, the pistol hides the alignment of the running back for the defense to key their blitzes. It is harder to guess where an offensive line is working (since they are typically working in unison with the running back) for their protection slides, which gets the defenses guessing their best path of least resistance, as opposed to truly being in attack mode and overwhelming an offensive look.
Against the blitz-happy Martindale in Week 17, the Rams aligned in pistol 11 times on early downs, with nine resulting in efficient gains.
Pistol and motion are great ways to defang an aggressive defensive coordinator, which matters when going against a defense such as the Lions. Because the Lions defense made their own post-bye-week adjustment: Coordinator Aaron Glenn put on his blitzing cap. The Lions went from blitzing at the 17th-highest rate in the first half of the season to the fourth-highest rate and are currently blitzing at a 35.2% clip on third and fourth down, the second-highest behind only the aforementioned Giants.
The Lions defense will also be an interesting matchup for this Rams unit. Because while this Lions unit still ranks just 24th in combined explosive and successful play rate since their bye week, they rank ninth in success rate defending the run against three-wide-receiver personnel groupings. That’s what the Rams run almost exclusively (more than 95% of their snaps). But in the Rams’ favor, the Lions are pretty poor in defending the duo run concept, allowing the fourth-most EPA per play against it.
The Lions pass defense can still be up and down and is always susceptible to explosive plays because of the preference for playing man coverage or blitzing, which could play right into Stafford’s hands (no quarterback loves to gash blitzing defensive coordinators more than Stafford). But being simple is also a no-go against a thrower of Stafford’s caliber. It will be an interesting chess match to watch play out in the passing game, with the run game coming down to how quickly the inconsistent Lions linebackers can fill the run (or how Glenn can change the picture on the Rams offensive line). Luckily for the Lions, the one gigantic thorn in their side this year, having to defend out of their base defense with three linebackers, will likely not be a thing picked on by the Rams and their light personnel groupings.
But this is why Rams general manager Les Snead and McVay traded for Stafford and why the Rams have evolved their attack. The potential questions or roadblocks that might have faced this offense (and team) before not only have answers but now have definitive answers. They have the ability to not only pivot but also excel at whatever they want to pivot to. It has led the Rams to the playoffs with a real chance to make some noise.
It’s quite fitting that the Rams are about to showcase this new feature of themselves againstthe quarterback that led to this evolution in the first place.
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The last 6 seasons, the NFC’s #6 seed has beat the #3 seed. It’s happened 3 times in the AFC. 9 of 12 possible times. Weird eh?
roberto clemente@rclemente2121wildcard road teams: 2021-2022: 3-92013-2020: 20-142013-2022: 23-23
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What the F is the deal with the Eagles?
.@ALLCITY_NFL @Eagles the Birds have been riddled with issues across the board. Weakening lines, guys looking tired, these issues seem to run deep. @AnthonyLGargano #FlyEaglesFly
Full episode: https://t.co/UWv6IbOO9Z pic.twitter.com/0J66M9LqhJ
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) January 9, 2024
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Kobie Turner: 83.8 PFF grade this season 7th among all rookies
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Even more impressive, he ranks 8th among 92 interior defensive linemen (min 400 snaps), i.e. among rookies and vets!
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