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znModeratorI did not intend to be nitpicky.
Is it “nitpicky” or “nit picky”?
I don’t mean to get…uh…
Naw joking aside this is all fun.
Upshot is, before the trade I was thinking “what about qb?” Now I know there will be one.
Is either Goff or Wentz worth all the picks they traded? Probably not but then having a qb IS worth all the picks they traded, IMO.
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znModeratorHas anyone checked to make sure whether Goff and Wentz
both have two eyes?Goff has THREE eyes.
And, a spidey sense.
znModeratorWell, not sure I understand what you mean by hits and misses if being a starter for two consecutive years is the benchmark for passing. Tim Couch started 59 games over 5 years for the Browns, for example. I would consider Bradford a miss because his performance with the Rams is the reason we moved up to #1 in this draft.
I didn’t mean literally “2.” I just said “consecutive seasons” which means any number of, and that criterion did not stand alone. I also said “the minimum is just a good qb, or even someone who turns out to be one after a rough start with a bad team.”
Since Couch is an obvious bust, then, I should add “and isn’t an obvious bust, like Couch.”
I don’t consider Bradford a miss. First, his performance was just fine when he had both a relatively healthy OL and an actual running thread (which unfortunately with Fisher amounts to only 11 games of 23 started.) He played for a few years except for injuries and then after the injuries when traded played very well in the 2nd half of the 2015 season (and just decent in the first half), enough to earn a top dollar contract and the chance at a trade. That’s not a “miss.” A miss is someone who doesn’t get chances to play again. Another example is Alex Smith. He’s playing well. He’s not a miss.
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znModeratorI dont think i understand what role he
was playing there.Well, what he said was, he knew the agent, and the agent wanted his opinion.
It was a matter of prepping them for the draft, knowing what the agent had, what teams would say about them, and so on. Just being prepared.
He did it as a favor for his agent/friend.
znModeratorOh draft day…come out to PLAY-EH.
Draft day…COME OUT TO PLAY-EH.

znModeratorfrom off the net
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He said he actually worked them both out months ago. Likes where Goff is develomentally but says Wentz should get there pretty quickly. Commented about Goff under duress as impressive and that Wentz hasnt faced as much pressure but is like big Ben in how he stands in and takes it or takes off and runs
Says both are worthy of the 1st & 2nd picks
znModeratori like wenger. i think he’s quality. and i actually like the fact that his strategy isn’t to outspend every other team in europe.
Thanks for the informed response. It helps.
znModeratorJim Miller and Pat Kirwan had a very similar conversation on MTC yesterday. Although, they didn’t go back as far as the 70s for the purposes of their discussion. Similar stats, similar conclusions.
My version fwiw:
Since 1970, when Bradshaw was the first pick in the draft, to 2013 (2013 being far enough back from now to judge), 20 QB’s have been been picked 1st in round 1. Out of those 20 there are only 4 real misses—Couch, Vick (or arguably anyway), Carr, and Russell. So that’s a hit rate of 80%.
Some bounced around and needed 2nd chances (Plunkett, Testeverde, A.Smith, Palmer)…but still, 80%. If you include Vick, the “hit” rate for #1 pick qbs is 85%.
I am counting as a “hit” anyone who was a starter for consecutive years in the league. Doesn’t mean he’s elite, doesn’t mean the team was good enough to be a post-season winner. The minimum is just a good qb, or even someone who turns out to be one after a rough start with a bad team. I am setting the standard where I do without getting into a lot of detailed judgments because it amounts to this—you can win with a good qb and defense in the NFL and what you tend to get, at a minimum, is a good qb with the 1st pick. I wouldn’t be, for example, one of those Baltimore fans who gripes about Flacco or a Giants fan that gripes about Eli. Both are good when their OLs have not fallen completely apart.
znModeratorRoger Goodell ‘confident’ owners would back new Chargers stadium
link: http://yournewsupdate.com/roger-goodell-confident-owners-would-back-new-chargers-stadium-espn/
SAN DIEGO — A year ago, with the San Diego Chargers not interested in a proposal for a new stadium in Mission Valley, the NFL sought a stadium project the team could enthusiastically support.
On Saturday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell traveled to San Diego at the invitation of Chargers chairman Dean Spanos to attend a rally of about 4,000 fans. Goodell was there to support the start of a signature-gathering effort for a citizens’ initiative effort to build a $1.8 billion stadium and convention center expansion downtown, next to the San Diego Padres’ Petco Park.
After his flirtation with Carson, California, last year, Spanos finally has a stadium plan in San Diego he is enthusiastic about.
“I’m confident that if they can get a stadium built here, the owners will want to support it with a Super Bowl,” Goodell said. “I think that’s what this community deserves, and we’re all going to work to try and find a solution.”
San Diego last hosted a Super Bowl in 2003. The NFL said then that the Super Bowl would not return unless the Chargers replaced dilapidated Qualcomm Stadium.
If the project makes it to the ballot box in November and is approved, Goodell said he believes NFL owners will bring back the Super Bowl to San Diego.
The Chargers have to qualify the measure for the ballot, which requires 66,447 valid signatures certified by the office of the registrar by mid-June, and present it to the San Diego city clerk’s office before ultimately having it approved by the city council.
The city council can either vote to adopt the initiative or place the measure on the ballot. If placed on the ballot, city voters will get an opportunity to vote on the measure during the Nov. 8 presidential election.
The team’s goal is to collect 100,000 signatures over a six-week period, creating a buffer in order to have enough signatures certified.
Goodell also echoed a comment he made at the NFL owners meetings in March: The Chargers belong in San Diego.
“I said that, and I mean it,” Goodell said. “I think the Chargers belong in San Diego. I think this is a great community, a great fan base. Everyone has acknowledged that we need a new stadium.
“The great thing I love about this proposal is it’s more than a stadium. You’re addressing not only the stadium, but you’re addressing needs with the convention facility. And the NFL needs to support this community and the effort. We don’t make the decisions. This is for the community to make, but we certainly want to be part of that solution.”
Along with Goodell, former Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson and the current team’s best player, Philip Rivers, addressed the rowdy audience.
Spanos made the rounds, shaking hands, signing autographs and taking selfies with fans — a stark contrast from last season, when he spent most game days in his owner’s box avoiding contact from fans angry with the team’s decision to pursue a new stadium in partnership with the Oakland Raiders in Carson.
“We’re committed to follow this thing through,” Spanos said. “I’m optimistic and obviously overwhelmed today. I’m encouraged, but we still have a long ways to go.”
San Diego mayor Kevin Faulconer was conspicuously absent, along with city attorney Jan Goldsmith and members of the San Diego city council. Faulconer has said he’s still in the information-gathering stage, sending the team a detailed letter with specific questions he wanted answered about the proposal.
“I have every confidence that this will be on the ballot in November,” Faulconer told Xtra 1360 Fox Sports Radio this week. “I think the team is going to get the signatures that it needs. So we’ve got to make sure that here in the interim time we’re doing our job, and that’s something that I’m not only spending a significant amount of time on, but making sure we’re asking the right questions.”
If the measure gets on the ballot, Faulconer said the project is the largest proposed bond offering in the city’s history.
znModeratorthere is growing sentiment within the NFL that fellow owners are opening up to Las Vegas and granting Davis his wish to move there should he request it.
I keep hearing that, that the league would approve it.
znModeratorBroncos inquired about Sam Bradford
The Denver Broncos have reached out to the Philadelphia Eagles to inquire about a trade for disgruntled quarterback Sam Bradford, Mike Klis of 9News in Denver reports. This per an NFL source.
According to Klis the Eagles price was too high. Bradford’s agent Tom Condon said his client has not been granted permission to seek a trade.
Bradford has missed two seasons with a torn ACL and six games of another with an ankle injury.
His salary could be an issue for the Broncos as he is fully guaranteed to make $18 million this year.
znModeratorMartz doesn’t say much new, though it’s worth listening to.
He got to work both qbs out because he knows their agent. That’s interesting.
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znModeratorMy take on this—bringing in a rookie behind him is one thing, and trading 3 1st rounders for the 2nd pick in the draft is another.
Any qb in his right mind knows that a team trading away 3 first rounders is going to go with their investment. We know that, the teams know that, he knows that. He’s now placeholding, like Warner was with the Giants in 04.
So Bradford knows full well that under those conditions, the team would actually have to be insane to treat that situation like actual competition. So his contract is no longer a 1-year “prove it” deal, it’s a “placehold till we promote our expensive 1st rounder” deal. There’s no honest genuine real “prove it” to that deal any more.
I think Warner went into a bad situation in NY in 04, too.
Bradford has only so many years left and he wants to be in a situation where he can at least compete to start. That is never going to happen with the Eagles. Not really. In fact the Eagles would look like idiots if they treated it like a real competition.
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znModeratorLet’s trade Foles back to Philly.
Trade Foles for Bradford.
znModeratorI ask myself if we have the right coaches to develop either Goff or Wentz into a franchise quarterback. Does our coaching staff and scheme fit one better than the other? Can our coaching staff modify their coaching technique or our scheme to maximize the abilities of these two players?
IMO? Coaches are fine. Both qbs have to adapt, and in both cases the coaches know how to tilt the offense in the direction of each qbs strengths.
They went 7-9 last year with a young plus injured OL, a melted down Foles, no one at receiver, then Keenum playing in a play action scheme after having played in a shotgun spread his entire college career (last year CK played under center twice as much as he did in Houston in 2013).
All that tells me this offensive coaching staff will do just fine.
The way I see it, the offense will be the traditional power running, ball control passing, play action offense that sets up big plays. Within that, they will make it fit Goff’s strengths if it’s him (which it probably will be) and they will make it fit Wentz’s strengths if it’s him.
See to me the issues on offense were always injuries, missing qbs, and execution (which itself was an issue because of all the youth and replacements and starting back-ups etc.)
I never doubted the offensive coaching. And if anything they seem to be in the process of fine-tuning it (new TE and WR coach).
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znModeratorAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Eagles have been informed Sam Bradford wants to be traded and he will not be showing up for their off-season program any longer, per source.
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Ag and I both posted this, then each saw the other did so each deleted our own, then I saw that it wasn’t here at all…so here it is again.
That’s how we do things here. Sheer improvisation and adapting.
It’s an anarchist utopia. In the best sense of that.
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znModeratorOh…NFL teams? Huh. I thought maybe some Arena teams were looking.
Teams really are desperate.
He did have 2 good years after an initial rookie year.
My bet is that if 2015 had happened to Foles on another team and not the Rams, there are Rams fans and Rams execs both considering a low pick trade for him.
It wouldn’t be the first time a guy didn’t look right one place but bounced and landed right, if that happens.
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znModeratorI mean his policies are exactly the same as Naders.
So why did so many more support Bernie?I;m not sure their policies ARE the same.
Either way, Sanders is a genuine statesmen and leader. Nader was the pale empty face in front of some positions. Sanders challenged the machine from within. Nader ran a quixotic empty campaign that just managed to put a republican in office.
znModeratorIf Goff is the pick, I will just have to hope he does well.
Personally, I am much more on the Goff wagon than you are.
Not enough to get into a Warner/Bulger, Suh/Bradford war over it (not that you would but there are those who would).
It’s just where I stand at the moment.
April 25, 2016 at 12:30 am in reply to: interesting old article…Benoit, "Jared Goff Projects to Stardom" #42559
znModeratorhopefully he’s a pay attention to detail type and continues to refine these skills.
His coaches talk about how he fixes things by working on them. It’s a trait of his.
April 24, 2016 at 9:55 pm in reply to: from around the net… on Goff/Wentz (a must read thread tho long) #42553
znModeratori don’t know exactly how true that is about the ypa, but my impression is goff is not just a guy who throws screens and short passes.
I agree. Yes a good ypa is a good sign. I just wish I could explore around and see what it’s based on. I have the same impression about it all that you do, but I would like to see what the numbers say too. Just a habit I have and unfortunately it has been frustrated by not knowing how/where to find those kinds of college splits.
April 24, 2016 at 9:53 pm in reply to: interesting old article…Benoit, "Jared Goff Projects to Stardom" #42552
znModeratorGoff checks all the boxes on this sheet. He steps and slides effortlessly behind his offensive line. His throwing mechanics do not waiver, regardless of how much movement precedes them. Because of this, Goff …is also proficient throwing outside the pocket, be it moving to his left or right.
That puts that well. You can see all that if you watch him.
znModeratorWell its not “complete and utter BS” as demonstrated in the column. You completely miss the point. There are flawed studies that only become published because peer review failed.
Well actually, I did get the point. And it’s simple…there are flawed studies because there always are, as part of the process of scientific discussion. Everything for example said about the “steady state” theory of the universe before the big bang theory emerged was more than flawed, it was dead wrong—at least in this sense: in the end “steady state” theory could not account for the wide range of evidence that kept coming in, while its rival views did do so much more successfully. Science is a discussion, not a series of simple truths.
There are always some flawed studies because there are always competing views testing and pushing the consensus, and as time goes on, some work and some don’t.
The idea that there’s this universal simple unitary thing called Big Science and that it is ALL called into question is, frankly, absurd. Paleontologists in China owe nothing because a geographer in Chile made a claim in print that did not hold up.
It always was and always will be a long discussion with people correcting each other, disagreeing, bringing in new information and viewpoints, challenging old assumptions, making claims that can be dated within months and then trying over.
That just means it’s doing what it’s supposed to do.
And this strange idea you have that there’s this “conformity of belief” among scientists all over the world just tells me you probably don’t know any scientists. It’s just the kind of fiction a funded article like that would come up with. I do know scientists, I was raised by them and have always had scientists among my family, friends and colleagues (including my daughter). It always looks different when you actually know the thing. Science is one big noisy, multi-faceted ongoing argument. I have seen that process at work my whole life. The “they’re all the same” routines, it seems to me, comes from motivated outsiders with agendas. It’s not a real picture of actual science.
April 24, 2016 at 7:13 pm in reply to: from around the net… on Goff/Wentz (a must read thread tho long) #42547
znModeratorone thing i like about goff is his ypa which was 8.9 last year
You know I looked and I couldn’t find any splits that would tell me what percentage of his total attempts were short, long, or medium.
I can find those stats on pro qbs, not college qbs.
znModeratorSanders beats Trump, and Sanders and Nader are not the same thing.
For the record I was never big on Nader btw. And said so in these forums.
znModeratorI moved some posts from here to this thread:
qbs in the draft: Goff & Wentz
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/qbs-in-the-draft-goff-wents/
znModeratorMichael Silver of NFL Media Group joins Rich Eisen to talk NFL. He says every team who wants a QB thinks the same thing about who the Rams will pick: Goff. If Goff had been there at #2, the Browns would be taking him, once the Rams made the trade they moved out of the spot because they didn’t feel as strongly about Wentz.
Silver Talks Rams at 6:15
April 24, 2016 at 11:59 am in reply to: from around the net… on Goff/Wentz (a must read thread tho long) #42533
znModeratorMannion had a 40 on the wondelic, too, best in his clas
Okay, sure, they can play football, but can they clearly explain the particle physics of mass.
If they could it would be an advantage, because they could then demonstrate that what LOOKED like an incompletion was, in an alternative universe, a TD pass.
Big advantage!
znModeratorfrom off the net, no source/link for the quotation given in the original
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Waldman is an obsessive genius. I realize his focus is on fantasy football but the amount of detail and analysis he shows is most impressive. Waldman is a modern day Joel Buchsbaum. He lives and breathes player analysis.
Waldman
A related criticism is Goff’s jittery feet. If examined with
some level of nuance, linking a quarterback’s flaws to
jittery footwork can lead to overanalysis. I believe this is
often the case with Goff’s more ardent critics.If overall footwork is a language, the pace or stillness of
the footwork is a lot like the energy or smoothness of the
communication. There are extremes of energy or
smoothness that can hurt overall expression, but this is
not the case with Goff.The jitters in Goff’s footwork are a by-product of the
nervous energy that comes from thinking fast. Peyton
Manning had the same issue and it’s often about the
body trying to keep up with a fast-processing mind. In a
simplistic way, a quarterback’s jittery feet are a form of
mild stuttering (the IQ of an average stutterer is 14 points
higher than the national average) where their minds are
processing faster than their bodies can keep up.Goff’s feet may stammer a word here and there, or make
small adjustments mid-statement, but the quality of his
communication is excellent. Goff executes one-, three-,
and five-step drops and he’s especially good at cutting
short the length of his dropbacks or even accelerating his
pace to adjust to any pressure that interferes with the
offense’s original plan. He’s also excellent at adjusting his
feet when his first route doesn’t come open so he’s in
position to make a sound throw to the next target in his
progression. This sounds basic, but as you’ll read in
subsquent profiles, many good prospects struggle with
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