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May 11, 2016 at 10:18 am in reply to: John Clayton & others: how soon will Goff be ready to start #43866
znModeratorRams will be patient, but Jared Goff likely to start sooner than later
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — The best-laid plans of NFL teams can change at the drop of a hat. Or, perhaps in the case of the Los Angeles Rams, at the cost of a move from No. 15 to No. 1 in the 2016 draft.
Soon after making their move up the draft board, the Rams’ biggest decision was whether to take Cal quarterback Jared Goff or North Dakota State signal-caller Carson Wentz. Now, the biggest question facing Goff and the Rams isn’t who but when.
As in when will Goff take over as starting quarterback for a team that finished at the bottom of the league in most major passing categories a year ago?
History shows there’s not necessarily a right or wrong approach to throwing a top pick into fire. More often than not, such choices have proved dependent almost solely on the individual.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher knows a thing or two about handling such situations. The then-Houston Oilers drafted Steve McNair, the best quarterback Fisher ever coached, with the third pick in 1995. McNair promptly went to the bench, making only brief cameos before taking over full time as the starter in 1997.
“Steve did play under center his junior year in a pro-style system and then got in the shotgun his senior year,” Fisher said. “We were very patient with him and he was asked numerous times, ‘When are you going to play?’ and it’s the same thing that Jared said, ‘When the coaches say I’m ready for it.’ I think we handled it well. We’re not going to follow that same model because he’s got a different skill set than Steve.”
The model the Rams will follow is more likely one taken from a page in general manager Les Snead’s history. As one of the key personnel evaluators for the Atlanta Falcons, Snead was part of the group that drafted quarterback Matt Ryan in 2008. The Falcons insisted Chris Redman would be their starter until Ryan was ready. As it turned out, Ryan was ready around Week 3 of the preseason and went on to start 16 games as a rookie. The same was true of Joe Flacco in Baltimore.
In fact, over the past eight years there has been a growing trend of quarterbacks who were taken early starting right away. In addition to Flacco and Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were all Week 1 starters in their first season.
The lone exception among top signal-callers taken recently was Jacksonville’s Blake Bortles, who sat the first two games and part of a third before playing and becoming the starter.
Of course, that list of quarterbacks has produced varying levels of success.
“Well everybody is different,” Fisher said. “Jameis is different than the next quarterback. We have always had the philosophy that we are going to play them when we think they are ready. We aren’t going to subject them to fail, so whenever that is you are going to see him under center. We aren’t going to come out Day 1 and announce that he is a starter. It’s going to happen pretty soon, sooner than probably later.”
For Goff, learning the offense won’t be easy as he transitions from Cal’s “Bear Raid” spread system to a more pro-style offense. The Rams will help him by adding some concepts he’s comfortable with, and they view Goff as a quick study based on what they’ve already seen.
At last weekend’s rookie orientation, Fisher was walking through the team’s temporary Oxnard meeting areas when he encountered Goff leaving the quarterback room at 10 p.m., long after the day’s scheduled meetings were done.
“He’s a guy that understands priorities,” Fisher said. “He knows how to budget his time and where to spend his time. It’ll change a little bit. We’ll get him some information this week so he can stay up as we continue to install. He’s handled everything. As I’ve mentioned before, he’s got that internal, competitive drive that you don’t see. He doesn’t wear it on his sleeve. He’s going to make sure that everything’s right.”
For his part, Goff has acknowledged that he’d like to play right away but also has said he’s proving himself to the coaches and leaving the decision in their hands. Upon getting his first taste of the Rams’ playbook, Goff said there were things, especially in the shotgun, that translate from college.
The difficult thing for Goff is adjusting to playing under center more and learning the terminology.
“The way they say it, and they’re absolutely right, it’s almost like you’re learning a different language,” Goff said. “It’s from any system you come from in college – it doesn’t really matter. It’s like you’re going into Spanish class and you have to become fluent in Spanish over however long the time is. That’s kind of what it is.”
There’s plenty of time for Goff to get up to speed between now and the season opener on Sept. 12. The Rams have Case Keenum in place to offer competition,but it’s unlikely anyone but Goff will start that game against San Francisco.
“I always thought when you invest that much, unless you have Brett Favre sitting on your team, I think you have got to play him,” former NFL coach Rick Venturi said. “I have always believed that. You learn by doing and the only thing you learn sitting is you learn how to sit.”
Even Fisher, who won’t make any sweeping declarations before he absolutely has to, has dropped plenty of hints that it won’t take long for Goff to take over.
“He may start the opener on Monday night, we don’t know, but that’s the goal,” Fisher said.
It would be a surprise if that’s a goal the Rams and Goff don’t accomplish.
znModeratorI have to say, I’m surprised no team drafted this guy.
It;s the post-Manziel era.
Patient tolerance is impatiently untolerated.
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znModeratorRams sign former Auburn WR Duke Williams
Vincent Bonsignore
With a definite need to assemble offensive weapons around rookie quarterback Jared Goff, the Rams double downed at wide receiver and tight end in last week’s draft.
On Tuesday they took a different route in their quest to identify playmakers, and it landed them one of the most talented wide receivers in this year’s draft class.
Albeit one who went undrafted and arrives with a bit of baggage.
The Rams have signed former Auburn wide receiver Duke Williams to a free agent contract after he worked out for the club recently. Williams, a 6-foot-2, 215 pounder enjoyed a productive junior year for the Tigers in 2014, catching 45 passes for 730 yards and five touchdowns. At the time, ESPN Draft analyst Mel Kiper rated Williams as the top wide receiver in the 2016 draft class.
But his 2015 season was cut short after a series of off-field incidents resulted in Auburn kicking him off the team in October. Williams caught just 12 passes last year before being banished from the team after a series of suspensions, team violations and getting into a bar-room brawl.
After going undrafted last week, Williams was immediately invited by the Rams to try out.
They obviously liked what they saw.
With Williams in the fold, he joins recent wide receiver draftees Pharoh Cooper and Michael Thomas on a roster that also includes veterans Tavon Austin, Kenny Britt and Brian Quick.
Williams seemed contrite when explaining, his troubles at Auburn at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
“I was late to practice many times. Once I got in the doghouse, it was hard for me to get out. I was already in the doghouse, so everything I did, it was being watched. I just had to grow. And I didn’t grow,” Williams said. “So now I’m working to be a man. I put myself in counseling to really find myself as a person, to address the issue before it even happens again.”
Williams also said he was seeking counseling.
“You know, like attitude, the whole thing, everything. Just overall as a person,” he said. “I want to be able to address it right now to where nobody has to tell me what to do anymore.”
Williams left little doubt he’d be considered a top pick without the baggage.
“If I didn’t get in any trouble, I know I’m a legit first-round pick,” he said. “But God got other plans. I’m a first-round pick no matter what.”
The Rams are giving him a chance to prove it
znModeratorCK threw 52.8 % of his attempts 10 yards or under. He had a sack percentage.of 3.1%. That’s one of the best in the league.
The numbers here on Keenum are wrong. I later thought about how ridiculously low 50% would be on short passes, so I went back and looked at ESPN splits.
Sure enough.
Here’s the problem (and it shows up sometimes with ESPN splits).
They have his total attempts at 125 and his passes in the 10 yard and under range at 66. So the sheer calculations I did based on those numbers are correct.
HOWEVER, the stats where they break down attempts by range apparently do not include all his games. I found that out by getting suspicious and adding up the attempts they include under different ranges. And, it doesn’t add up to 125. They’re way short, in fact. (They left out the SF game.) So it;s impossible to do a valid percentage of total attempts from any given range—they apparently just stopped counting.
That’s the section of ESPN splits that looks like this:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/15168/case-keenum

znModeratorYes, that’s a great story.
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May 11, 2016 at 2:19 am in reply to: John Clayton & others: how soon will Goff be ready to start #43829
znModeratorWagoner vid: Should Jared Goff be the Rams starter in Week 1?
znModeratoralso when i say goff can be bradford with better pocket presence and vision that’s a compliment.
i mean imagine bradford with better pocket presence and vision…
that’s pretty good i think.
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jrry32
will Goff’s rookie season be statistically greater than or worse than Bradford’s rookie season?
Better. Goff has a better team around him and a better coaching staff. He might not throw for 3500+ yards depending on how many attempts Fisher gives him but I think he’ll post better efficiency numbers.
It’s crazy to think about because 6 years is such little time but things have changed greatly. After Bradford’s rookie year in 2010, Bradford was first all time in completions and pass attempts. He was second all time in passing yards. He was fourth all time in passing TDs. Bradford’s QB Rating was top 10 all time. These numbers are all among rookie QBs. Bradford was fourth all time in rookie passing TDs in 2010. Between 2011 and 2015, nine QBs bested that mark. Think about that for a second. Insane.Rookie stats have taken off since Bradford’s rookie year. That’s because of rule changes which have caused statistical inflation and evolving schemes which have made it easier for rookie QBs to adapt to the NFL. Simply put, even if Goff performs relative to his peers at the same level as rookie Bradford, his final numbers in 2016 will still be better.
We return every single player from our 2015 OL which performed FAR better than the 2009 OL. Our OL now is a question mark but I have a lot more confidence in them than I had in that 2010 unit. Four out of the five starters on that 2010 OL were out of the NFL by the end of the 2012 season. Three of the five starters were out of the NFL after the 2011 season. And the only guy who lasted past 2012 is Rodger Saffold. He’s now an OG. He played LT in 2010.
And we do have the benefit of knowing that SJ’s decline started in 2010 while Gurley is nowhere near his decline. Our question mark is in regard to how much our young OLs will improve rather than who will be playing what position. We have every single OL back from last year. It’s a group with continuity that had an opportunity to build chemistry and improved over the season.
I’d take our current WR corp over the 2010 version. We have a lot more talent and Britt/Austin are much more talented than Amendola + any other WR on 2010. Our WRs in 2010 were like 8 games of healthy Clayton/Alexander, a good slot WR in Amendola, ineffective Gibson and Robinson, and a couple TEs who barely belonged on a NFL roster in Bajema and Fells.
Our WRs in 2010 were like 8 games of healthy Clayton/Alexander, a good slot WR in Amendola, ineffective Gibson and Robinson, and a couple TEs who barely belonged on a NFL roster in Bajema and Fells.
It’s arguable that Amendola was better than anything we currently have. That’ll depend on what Austin and Britt show with a better QB. But I see a much more talented WR corp here now. Britt has the potential to put up 800-1000 yards and 8-10 TDs. We don’t know what Austin can be. We just know he’s a better weapon than anything on the 2010 Rams. And then we have some young unknowns in Cooper, Higbee, Thomas, Quick, Marquez, and Hemingway.
Quick better come to play, though. I think Spruce and McRoberts will battle him hard for his job. There’s a possibility that they keep McRoberts over Quick if Quick doesn’t show up well and they’re worried that McRoberts will get grabbed by another team.
I also think Stedman ends up on the non-football injury list. Don’t see him playing in 2016. If he does play, he’ll battle with Marquez.
I also forgot about JJ Worton. I like the guy. Don’t underestimate him. Might battle Spruce and Marquez for that final roster spot.
Both Thomas and McRoberts are talented guys. Both are raw and probably won’t contribute much in 2016. I think the Rams are unlikely to release Thomas because he won’t make it to the practice squad. If Thomas sees the field, it’ll likely be as a situational deep threat. His route running has a long ways to go based on his college film.
If you look at the QBs that Britt has had, they’re terrible. We know Britt has limitations but he also has some pretty major strengths, namely getting vertical. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to believe that having a legitimately talented starting QB can boost Britt’s yardage and TD totals. I think we can all agree that WR numbers are strongly tied to the effectiveness of the QB and passing game.
Plus, while we all have reservations about Austin as a pure WR, there’s no denying his ability as a weapon. He put up over 900+ yards from scrimmage last year and 9 offensive TDs on a terrible offense. He, at worst, is an effective weapon and decoy. But with a precision passer like Goff, we might find that Austin is a pretty good WR too.
After that, we have a bunch of unknowns. But they’re talented unknowns who were highly productive in college.
What sets Cooper apart from Spruce? Both guys are savvy players and have outstanding mitts. The difference between them is that Cooper is a very dangerous and effective runner after the catch and plays with more strength, physicality, and aggression.
Cooper’s body type, play style, and skill-set make him an ideal fit in the slot. Spruce is a bit of a tweener. He has the body type and play style of an outside WR with the athletic skill-set of a slot WR. I like Spruce. I think it’s going to be hard for the Rams to cut him. I think he’ll stick around on the practice squad if he doesn’t make the roster. But he’s not as good of a prospect as Cooper and the NFL projection for him isn’t as clear as Cooper’s is.
I think Goff is a better player than he’s given credit for by many of the media and I know we still have a top 10 running game and defense. I think, with a legitimate QB here, we’ll see Fisher throw the ball 55% to 56% of the time. If we can actually sustain drives (and I think we will to a greater extent than 2015), that’s 550-560+ dropbacks in a year. After you account for sacks, that’s around 510 to 540 passing attempts.
Gurley is great. Austin and Britt produce much more with a competent QB. The OL plays at an above average to good level. And the defense is top 10 caliber again. Zuerlein has a bounce back year since Fisher doesn’t ask him to attempt nothing but long FGs.
znModeratorGoff Eager for Opportunity to be Franchise QB
Myles Simmons
In the pre-draft process, the Rams’ brass looked at Jared Goff and saw special, franchise-quarterback qualities.
That much has been clear for the better part of the last month — otherwise the club would not have executed a deal that sent six draft picks to the Titans in exchange for No. 1 overall and a pair of late-round selections.
For a team that needed to increase its offensive production, particularly in the passing game, trading up for Goff represented a unique opportunity to acquire prime talent at football’s most important position.
“Obviously, when the season was over, we just felt like the quarterback position needed to be addressed,” head coach Jeff Fisher said.
“We identified the quarterback that we thought solved the problem for us, [someone who] was a long-term solution,” general manager Les Snead said. “So we tried to go get him and we were successful.”
Now the job becomes making the prospect into a franchise quarterback — a process that appears to mean a lot to Goff.
“Again, it’s an honor for them to select me No. 1 and it’s something I’m not going to take lightly — to be, hopefully, a franchise quarterback,” the signal-caller said during rookie orientation weekend. “That’s something I’m working towards. And it’s something that doesn’t come overnight. I’ve got to work every day at it, continue to get better.”
Goff’s life became a whirlwind once he heard his named called in Chicago just under two weeks ago. With his extensive media responsibilities followed by a small celebration with family and friends that Thursday night, he only had a few hours of sleep before jetting to Los Angeles for his introductory press conference. Goff was able to catch his breath at home in Northern California for a few days, but then it was back to football.
And it was getting on the field for rookie camp that made the young QB’s new reality sink in.
“Today it started to,” Goff said on Friday. “Started to realize that you’re actually in the NFL. You see the horns on the side of your helmet, you know you’re on the Rams. And it’s really cool. I’m excited for all of the rookies, being able to meet them and build relationships with them. It’s great.”
While the rookies did not do too much on the filed over the weekend, many of Goff’s strengths still stood out both on and off the field.
“The arm strength, the release, the ball speed, acceleration. His footwork is all really good,” Fisher said. “That’s what we expected.”
“This was more of a mental exercise for him, from the standpoint of getting under center, calling the plays, calling out protections,” Fisher continued. “We dumped a lot on him, but I’m, obviously, not concerned about complete or incomplete passes because when his back foot hits, the time clock [in his head] says, ‘Get rid of the ball.’ And the receivers are under instruction [to go] half-speed. So it doesn’t time up well. But he was fine. He’s going to be good.”
Goff’s work ethic was also clear, as Fisher mentioned in his press conference on Saturday that he spotted the quarterback leaving the meeting room at 10 o’clock p.m. Friday night.
“He’s that kind of guy,” Fisher said at the presser. “He’ll spend the time. It’s important to him.”
Goff has likened learning his new playbook to studying a foreign language. But by all accounts, the process is going well.
“It’s nothing too crazy. There’s a lot of stuff that we did at Cal that translates. There’s a lot of stuff that I’m learning as well, but it’s really going smoothly,” Goff said, crediting offensive coordinator Rob Boras and QBs coach Chris Weinke. “I don’t see there to be too much of a problem picking it up. I feel pretty confident with it.”
It may help that the young quarterback is acclimating to the league with a number of rookie offensive weapons. And those players have also given him positive reviews.
“He’s the No. 1 quarterback — you can’t go wrong with that,” wideout Pharoh Cooper said. “We’ve been talking a lot through meetings and our down time, so we’re pretty cool. It’s just great to play with a great quarterback coming out of college being that he’s a rookie, too.”
“He’s a great guy. He’s very talented. And I’m looking forward to what’s in the future,” tight end Tyler Higbee said. “It’s exciting getting out there, catching that first pass from him. But I’m looking forward to a lot more.”
It’s the nascent stage of his career, but Goff does have his sights set on the future. And yet in order to accomplish his goals, he knows he must invest in himself and the team.
“I want to be, obviously, a guy who’s here for 10, 15 years,” Goff said. “But you have to work hard to get to that point. And I’m excited to do that. I’m excited to do that and hold myself to a high standard.”
“To be in Los Angeles, to be playing for the Rams — it’s the best-case scenario,” Goff added. “And it’s something that I’m very, very excited for.”
znModeratorFred Roggin @FredNBCLA
#Rams TJ McDonald blew zero on the breathalyzer. Rams security talking with him tonight about what happened. Will know more in morningObviously not alcohol. #Rams security getting answers. I would caution to jump to conclusions.
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Rams’ T.J. McDonald arrested for DUI after crashing into parked car
Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15504818/rams-safety-tj-mcdonald-arrested-dui-crashing-parked-car
Los Angeles Rams safety T.J. McDonald was arrested Tuesday morning on suspicion of driving under the influence.
A Los Angeles Police Department spokesperson confirmed Tuesday night that McDonald was arrested after he allegedly ran into a parked car on the 22900 block of Gershwin Drive in Woodland Hills.
After police arrived at the scene, they evaluated and arrested McDonald at 8:30 a.m. PT and booked him at about 3:40 p.m. for a misdemeanor charge of driving under the influence-other. The ‘other’ designation means that McDonald was suspected to be under the influence of something other than alcohol.
McDonald was released on $300 in bail at about 6:20 p.m. PT. He has a tentative court date set for June 3 at 8:30 a.m. in Van Nuys Municipal court.
McDonald, who played his college football at nearby Southern California, was a third-round pick of the Rams in the 2013 NFL draft. He’s started 37 games with 219 tackles, four sacks, two interceptions and two fumble recoveries in his three NFL seasons.
Earlier this offseason, Rams running back Tre Mason was arrested on suspicion of possession of marijuana, reckless driving, failure to register a motor vehicle and resisting arrest.
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znModeratorSCOUTING REPORT: Not close to possessing the play strength needed to block on NFL level.
SCOUTING REPORT: earned the 2015 Walter Payton Achievement Award, which is given to the student-athlete in the MEAC/SWAC Challenge who best shows character and team spirit.
HEMINGWAY: “I love the professional game and all the resources you have to better your game. I’m really going to take advantage of that,” Hemingway said.
BRANDT: Small-school guys like Hemingway tend to leave college underdeveloped for a variety of reasons, such as a comparative lack of resources and weight facilities — South Carolina State, for example, doesn’t have a tight ends coach on staff.
I like the math on this.
Underdeveloped smooth athletic TE who didn’t have the training facilities or the coaching loves the “resources” pro teams have.
I hope this kid develops, I really do. Sounds like a good story.
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Round 6 Pick 177
Temarrick Hemingway, Tight End, South Carolina State
Age: 22 – Height: 6’5″ – Weight: 244 lbs. – Arm Length: 34″ – Hand Size: 10″ – Combine 40 time: 4.71 – 3 cone: 6.88
“Experts” Take:
Lance Zierlein
STRENGTHS Fluid, graceful gait with long, easy strides. Has short area movement like a basketball player. Nightmare matchup for linebackers with his whip routes and whip counters underneath. Has legitimate separation quickness. Raw, but moldable athlete. Gets off the snap and into his routes in a hurry. Can stop and open up with suddenness. Physical runner after the catch. Poor quarterback play slighted his true production potential.
WEAKNESSES Has lean frame that screams wide receiver over tight end. Not close to possessing the play strength needed to block on NFL level. Head ducker into contact and allows hands to spray wide of defenders framework. Route work was extremely limited and will require extended work on next level. Hands are suspect. Had issues with double catches and scouts question toughness to secure throws with looming safety nearby.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6 or 7
NFL COMPARISON Wes Saxton
BOTTOM LINE Intriguing vertical potential as matchup-based tight end, but his lack of play strength and route running experience could make him a long-term project if he is ever to become a true NFL contributor.
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Dane Brugler
STRENGTHS: Skyscraper with arms and projectable frame. Uses his reach to extend and highpoint, climbing the ladder. Big-bodied target to split defenders and manipulate the middle of the field. Long, fluid strides to accelerate off the line of scrimmage and threaten the seam. Flexible lower body to make strong cuts and create separation at the stem. Smooth route-runner, using patience and body fakes to sell patterns.
Stabs at the catch point, not allowing traffic to alter his focus. Good pop at initial contact as a blocker. Worked hard to develop his frame, adding 60+ pounds since arriving at South Carolina State. Well-respected individual and earned the 2015 Walter Payton Achievement Award, which is given to the student-athlete in the MEAC/SWAC Challenge who best shows character and team spirit.
WEAKNESSES: Lean-limbed and lacks prototypical thickness and build for the position. One-gear athlete and lacks variety in his routes. Most of his patterns were within seven yards of the line of scrimmage and didn’t give the secondary much to worry about on film. Picks and chooses his aggressiveness at the catch point.
Not doing much after contact as a ballcarrier and doesn’t run as big as he looks. Holds the ball too loose, leading to fumbles. Upright blocker and struggles to sustain. Late to recognize blocking angles and gain proper positioning. Below average career production, especially in the end zone with only two combined touchdowns the last two seasons.
IN OUR VIEW: Even though he is incredibly raw in several areas, Hemmingway is an intriguing size/speed athlete with upside to secure a NFL roster spot if given time to develop his power and mental toughness – day three developmental tight end in the mold of Ladarius Green.
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znModeratorL.A. RAMS’ T.J. MCDONALD ARRESTED FOR DUI
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/10/l-a-rams-t-j-mcdonald-arrested-for-dui-allegedly-hits-parked-car/
L.A. Rams safety T.J. McDonald was arrested for DUI early Tuesday morning after cops say he crashed into a parked car … TMZ Sports has learned.
We’re told McDonald waited for police to arrive and when they got there, cops noticed something was off about the 25-year-old … so they brought him to the station for a DUI screening.
He was eventually arrested for DUI — not alcohol related. We’re told officials believe there may be medication involved. He has since been released on his own recognizance.
We reached out to the Rams for comment — so far, no word back.
znModeratorLA Rams surprise high school football team with equipment donation
Denise Quan
They haven’t played a game yet, but the Los Angeles Rams have already scored a win with one local school, and it couldn’t have been more timely.
L.A. Rams defensive end Robert Quinn — along with the team’s mascot “Rampage” — surprised the Cleveland High School football team Tuesday with an equipment donation, and posed for pictures with the players.
“I love giving back to the community,” Quinn said. “It’s what I’m about, and what the Rams are all about.”
The donation, described as a “spirit pack,” included clothing, gloves, cleats and helmets.
The gift came weeks after vandals broke into the office of Cleveland’s football coach, Matt Gentle, and stole more than $7,000 raised to buy equipment that the team’s players needed for spring training.
Efforts to replace the money fell short, so Samantha Koerner, mother of player Zak Koerner, contacted the Rams for help.
“Somebody suggested I send an email to the (Rams) C.O.O. I thought he wouldn’t read it. He certainly wasn’t going to respond,” Samantha explained. “Within five minutes, he emailed me back and said, ‘The Rams are on it. We’re going to do what we can to help.’”
Zak, a junior who plays corner, receiver and safety said he had no idea his mom planned to contact the Rams.
“She didn’t tell me until after she did it. If she would have told me before, I probably would have told her not to do it,” he said.
As for meeting Quinn, Prince Latson, a wide receiver at Cleveland high, said it was an incredible experience.
“I was really surprised to see one of my favorite players come here and really show up,” Latson said. “I was caught off-guard. What big team would come down to a high school? It’s just amazing.”
The team, newly returned to Southern California after years in St. Louis, got an assist with the donation from Adidas Football and Gamebreaker Helmets, which produces protective sports headgear
znModeratorRams Report: Introducing Rookie Tight End Temarrick Hemingway
Valerie Wardlaw
https://lasentinel.net/the-la-rams-report-introducing-rookie-tight-end-temarrick-hemingway.html
Oxnard, CA – Two thousand four hundred and fifty-eight miles – the distance Temarrick Hemingway traveled from Orangeburg, SC to reach the Rams rookie training camp in Oxnard, CA. Hemingway, a 6-5, 245 pound tight end, the 177th overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft from South Carolina State University (SCSU) stepped onto the Rams practice field filled with wide-eyed excitement and pride at being a member of the newly minted Los Angeles Rams. Hemingway says he is “ready and willing to work hard for his opportunity of a lifetime.” When asked about his thoughts as he took the field, Hemingway didn’t hesitate to say “my great-grandma.” “I spent a lot of time with my great-grandma and she always told me that if I worked hard for what I wanted, I could obtain what I really wanted in life. I wish she was here to see this.”
Temarrick follows in the very large footsteps of NFL Hall of Famer, Pro-bowler, the late David “Deacon” Jones, a former SCSU Bulldog (1957-58), taken in the 14th round of the 1961 draft. Jones would go on to become a member of Rams Fearsome Foursome (1961-71). It’s been 19 years since the Bulldogs have had two players selected in the same draft. Hemingway joins his Bulldog teammates defensive lineman Javon Hargrave (89th overall pick by the Pittsburg Steelers) and defensive back Antonio Hamilton who signed a free agent contract with the Oakland Raiders.
Temarrick was born in Loris, SC but raised 19 miles away in North Myrtle Beach where shag dancing still reigns supreme. He said he always knew he would “play something.” “Growing up, I played football and basketball but football was my thing,” Hemingway said. He considers former Detroit Lions wide receiver Calvin Johnson his role model not only because he holds 15 NFL records but because “he carries himself well, he’s respected on and off the field and I admire that.” “Calvin works hard and I have that same type of work ethic.”
Described as a “tight end that can block,” Hemingway knows he has his work cut out for him. At South Carolina State University, he finished his career with 93 catches for 1,056 yards, earning first-team ALL-MEAC honors in 2015 as the Bulldogs’ second-leading receiver, 38 receptions for 418 yards, and one touchdown. “The terminology is a lot different and the speed of the pro game is so fast but it’s coming along quite well.” “I love the professional game and all the resources you have to better your game. I’m really going to take advantage of that,” Hemingway said. He joins Tyler Hibee, tight end from Western Kentucky forming one of the youngest tight end corps in the NFL.
Coach Oliver “Buddy” Pough, in his 14th season as head coach at SCSU had this to say about Hemingway, “Temarrick is a diamond in the rough. He has great hands and he’s special. He’s extremely bright and his best days are ahead of him.” “Temarrick has overcome some pretty tough surroundings and I think the Rams will be pleasantly surprised by his discipline and great work ethic,” Pough said.
South Carolina State University is no stranger to the NFL, as three of its former players have been inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame: Marion Motley in 1968, Deacon Jones in 1970, and Harry Carson in 2006. Coach Pough has four players currently on NFL rosters: Joe Thomas (Greenbay Packers), Raphael Bush (New Orleans Saints), Phillip Adams (Atlanta Falcons), and Marshall McFadden (Oakland Raiders).
Hemingway is hopeful that his South Carolina family will get to see him play this season at the Coliseum and he wants them to have the opportunity to visit and see the sights of Los Angeles. “It’s hard not knowing a lot of people here. I cried when the Rams drafted me and I’m just so grateful for the chance they are giving me. I’m looking forward to getting to know the people and the area.” When asked whom he would like to meet and have dinner with, Hemingway chose Oprah Winfrey, Floyd Mayweather, and President Barack Obama. Well…Temarrick this is Hollywood…land of dreams and some dreams do come true!
znModeratorhis red zone stats are jaw dropping. that’s what excites me the most.
and his feet in the pocket look great.
as i’ve said before bradford in the pocket could never sense where the pass rush was coming from.
i think goff could be bradford with better pocket presence and better vision. facing that much pressure and still having the ability to find receivers. he should be way ahead of sam in those departments.
It will be interesting in a couple of years to rank all the best Rams qbs from the 70s on.
I say from the 70s on because very few of us have seen them play in earlier years.
Goff I am pretty sure will be on that list. But Bradford will too. Bradford was the Rams’ Drew Bledsoe.
It will be interesting to rank Goff with these guys (alphabetical order): Bradford Bulger Everett Ferragamo Warner.
I don’t count Green because he didn’t play enough for the Rams to be ranked.
And for the inevitable arguments that show up whenever this topic comes up— no, sorry, I simply cannot count Rubley on that list. If you’re going to be one of those who insist on fighting over that, go start your own board. The Rubley wars are over. It’s done. Finito. Move on.
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May 10, 2016 at 1:21 pm in reply to: some teams take an altered approach to their rookie minicamps, a la Fisher #43783
znModeratorRams take time to educate rookie class before finishing contracts
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — As most of the NFL world seemed to engage in a sort of race to sign their rookie classes last week, the Los Angeles Rams again sat out the proceedings.
Since Jeff Fisher and Les Snead took over as coach and general manager, respectively, in 2012, the Rams have had a set plan for how and when they intend to sign their draft class. More often than not, it’s resulted in the Rams being one of the last teams to sign their rookies.
It’s an approach similar to how Fisher views his first interaction with the rookies as more of an orientation than a minicamp. Before handing over big checks to a bunch of young men who have never had access to that kind of money, Fisher first wants to focus on educating them.
Now that the rookie orientation is over, that process can begin and it will include something a little different this year as the NFL will be joining in that educational process. In years past, the drafted rookies have attended the annual rookie symposium in Ohio. Now, the league is dispatching representatives to each NFL city to give more personalized attention to each team.
“The NFL’s going to come in and address and make a presentation to the ‘rooks,’” Fisher said. “We’re going to continue and do the same things that we’ve always done. We’ll have meetings starting next week with respect to financial planning, life skills and decision making and all those things that we cover. Social media, media relations and the list goes on and on and on. They’ll be educated once we’re done with (rookie) camp. The draft classes are always used to going to the symposium for three days. This has a chance to be a little bit more intimate. I think it has a chance, from the standpoint of the guys being able to absorb more information, I think it may work out better. Plus, we can also participate in them.”
It’s an approach that makes plenty of sense in today’s NFL landscape. Since the new collective bargaining agreement came into effect in 2011 and the rookie salary cap was put in place, there’s not much drama to the rookie deals. The contracts are essentially slotted and there’s little room for negotiation, which means that it’s not all that hard to get deals done. That’s why so many teams are able to quickly sign their rookies after the draft.
In recent years, director of player programs La’Roi Glover has brought in people in various fields to offer the rookies short seminars on things like money management, buying or renting a home and other important life skills before a contract is offered and signed.
In the past few years, the Rams have traditionally signed their rookie class at some point in mid-June. They signed their 2013 group on June 13 and the 2014 and 2015 classes on June 12. It’s probably a safe bet that the Rams will target a similar timeframe for this year’s six drafted rookies.
znModerator5) Good analogy is Peyton Manning.
You know some folks kept saying the “Fisher qb” is a McNair type. I doubted that. I thought the Fisher type qb is just a good qb—any type or style.
So many thought it would be Wentz because Wentz is more like McNair.
What sometimes gets forgotten is that Fisher coached in the same division with Manning. Preparing to defend Manning and watching film on him twice a year could, or so you would think, lead to appreciation for those kinds of abilities.
So he took a Manning instead of a McNair. Yes McNair was his qb but then he knew what a Manning could do from coaching against him.
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znModeratorfrom off the net
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RockRam
1) Goff better than Wentz in mental part of the game, and in pocket movement and pocket skills. About the only things where Wentz is superior is arm strength and running ability. But Goff has more than enough arm strength. Goff accurate at every level on the field. Very confident. Aggressive.
2) Goff better than Winston or Marriotta.
3) A very good leader.
4) Fast processor of info, moves through his progressions rapidly, excellent field vision, always in balance to make accurate throws.
5) Good analogy is Peyton Manning.
6) Rams did the right thing and got good value in the trade
7) Goff does more than just make the right read, he understands the underlying concepts and so can adjust on the fly
8) Fisher a better coach than his years so far with the Rams; probably not as good as his Superbowl year. A solid HC, good at developing young talent.
9) Goff only the 2nd QB Fisher got to choose….the other was McNair. Other QBs forced on him by ownership or circumstance.
10) Expect around a 5-11 to 6-10 year. The best if everything goes right probably 8-8. Only way they make the playoffs is if Arizona or Seattle collapse (and he says not likely).
11) Goal with choosing several young WRs and TEs is for Goff and them to grow together.
12) Thinks several of the WRs have a chance to be very good; named Thomas and North. Cooper a slot guy, perhaps later a WO. Thought Spruce could be a Steve Smith type of possession WR.
13) Tavon Austin a gadget player. Few gadget players ever become good all around position players.
14) Believes long term stability at QB and with the Coaching is the key to long term success in a franchise.
15) Timed 40 speed overrated for WRs. Start and stop ability, route running, good hands far more important. 4.7 plenty fast to be a very good NFL WR if the player has quickness, good route runner, very good start/stop ability. Isaac Bruce an example. Spruce is similar.
znModeratorCoaching. I know people will disagree here with me. But I don’t trust Fisher.
Well I DO agree with you—yes, agreed, you do not trust Fisher.
znModeratorRams hoping the ‘other’ Michael Thomas turns into a draft steal
Nick Wagoner
LOS ANGELES — New Los Angeles Rams receiver Michael Thomas didn’t have to wait long to hear his name called during the NFL draft.
Sitting at home with friends and family in Chicago, Thomas watched as former Saints running back Deuce McAllister stepped to the podium and called his name with the 47th overall pick in the draft. Under normal circumstances, Thomas would have been excited for the culmination of his football dreams. But there was one big problem.
New Orleans was picking a different Michael Thomas. The Saints went with the Ohio State version, a player who had long been pegged as a first or second-round choice and had attended the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis.
Instead of landing with the Saints or at any time in the second round, Thomas had to wait much longer to hear his name again, listening intently for the designation of “from Southern Mississippi” to be sure it was right.
As it turned out, the Rams finally came calling in the sixth round, using pick No. 206 to secure Thomas’ services. For Thomas, being chosen behind someone sharing his name wasn’t nearly as surprising as having to wait until the draft’s penultimate round.
“I was anticipating going earlier, but I was just being patient and didn’t let it get to me,” Thomas said. “I just knew I was going to get picked, but I didn’t know when.”
Actually, Thomas had some preconceived projections for his draft status that fall in line with where the other Thomas went.
“To be honest, probably second through the fourth, no later than the fourth,” Thomas said. “But, obviously that didn’t happen. I just stayed patient and kept thinking positive about it and here I am.”
Thomas’ surprise at lasting as long as he did is actually well-founded. After bouncing from junior college to Southern Miss, Thomas was one of the country’s most productive receivers. In 2015, he finished with 71 catches for 1,391 yards and 14 touchdowns. At 6-foot-1, 200 pounds, it wasn’t like Thomas lacked size and reports pegged his 40-yard dash time at his pro day in the 4.4-4.5 second range so speed wasn’t necessarily the issue, either.
Of course, had Thomas posted those numbers at the combine, his stock probably would have soared when matched with his production.
“It was really a surprise,” Thomas said of not getting a combine invite. “That just motivated me more to keep going. That put a lot of fire in me to keep going, keep working hard, and thinking positive the whole way through.”
Thomas said after the draft that he didn’t think the lack of a combine invite hurt his stock but he also couldn’t quite put his finger on why he didn’t go earlier. Even the deeper analytical sites like Pro Football Focus believe Thomas has the look of a potential late-round bargain. PFF recently named Thomas one of its top 10 sleeper picks in the draft after giving him the 11th highest grade of all wideouts in this year’s draft class.
According to PFF’s metrics, Thomas averaged 2.98 yards per route run, which was fifth best among receivers in the class.
“Michael is a guy who played at Southern Miss, and played on the outside there,” Rams general manager Les Snead said. “He ran a lot of routes for them and caught a lot of balls. What you notice about him is being able to catch the ball when there was a defender near him, and pluck the ball out of the air when somebody was covering him or draped on his back, per se.”
After the draft, one Rams personnel man agreed with the assessment that Thomas could be the sleeper of the class. In joining the Rams, Thomas finds himself in position to make a run at a roster spot.
In terms of true outside receivers, the Rams have only Kenny Britt and Brian Quick on the roster. Britt and Quick will be unrestricted free agents after the season and Quick has never lived up to his draft status as an early second-round pick. If Thomas can pick up the offense and NFL route tree in short order, he should have a chance to not just secure a spot on the 53-man roster but possibly even contribute as a rookie.
“I bring dynamic playmaking skills,” Thomas said. “I can stretch the field, make things happen, make plays, execute plays, and that’s what I’m looking forward to doing with the Rams. Keep making plays, executing, and winning games.”
And perhaps make a name for himself in the process.
znModeratorWas moving up for Jared Goff — or any quarterback — a bad idea?
Nick Wagoner
The actual results of the trade between the Los Angeles Rams and Tennessee Titans won’t be fully realized until the Titans use what’s left of the picks acquired from the Rams next year.
Even then it will be too early to take stock of how those players drafted by the Titans and Rams fared. But ESPN senior writer Peter Keating’s latest column asserts that it’s not too early to declare a winner in the trade itself.
Keating writes in the next issue of ESPN The Magazine that the Titans fleeced the Rams and the Cleveland Browns ran circles around the Philadelphia Eagles in their respective trade-ups for the top two quarterbacks in the draft.
In making the case that the deal was bad for the Rams, Keating points to the “Loser’s Curse,” a research paper which argues that performance declines the lower you go in the draft but that decline isn’t nearly as quick as many teams believe. He also lists the names of quarterbacks taken in the top five of the draft after a team moved up to get them. The list — Jeff George, Kerry Collins, Ryan Leaf, Michael Vick, Mark Sanchez, Robert Griffin III — isn’t too inspiring.
Of course, history shows that such bold moves haven’t really worked out for teams making those trades to move up. But if Goff finds a way to buck the trend and become the franchise quarterback the Rams hope he can be, nobody will remember or care what the Rams gave up to get him.
znModeratorWho did he go up against? Just curious.
I mean, if it was mediocre pass-rushers
than it aint that impressive, right?w
vSF was 29th in sacks.
Say what you will but it’s NOT 32nd.
So you can quit your Rams-hating on this one.

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znModeratorBut i can tell you that I rub elbows with the people he is describing all the time. Routinely. Very common here. Identity-politics-one-noters.
Well you say “tohm-A-toe”, and I say “zoo-keen-EE.”
I think that’s a Beatles song.
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znModeratorMaybe, the Democraps wake up and see that the DNC crowd
has ruined the party and turned it into Republican-lite,
and maybe they realize they need to turn left — toward Bernie-type candidates.Well…IMO? Flat bloody chance.
May 10, 2016 at 8:40 am in reply to: Stan Kroenke’s memory may be a little foggy on Kurt Warner #43756
znModeratorSome boards, you see people nail SK on this one. Some boards, you see people nail Thomas for even discussing it. I personally kind of note it with some interest but not even enough to break out popcorn. People just come from different places on this, and there’s more than just 2 views of it. I have no personal emotional stakes in the move, plus I don’t judge people who do–either way. I just found Thomas to be a decent beat writer in a small market where it was easy for the team to shut off access, and that he did fine with that. I didn’t always agree with him. If he has a vendetta for SK, it doesn’t matter to me either way…SK ought to be big enough to survive that, and it’s nothing compared to how the LA media treated Georgia. If SK becomes unpopular for whatever reason in LA, he will long for the days when his one media issue was JT picking on him now and then (that’s just because the LA media market is bigger and with so many sports loyalties to draw people’s attention, far less forgiving). I personally don’t feel loyalty to owners…and remember with some sense of distant mild post-traumatic stress syndrome the days back in 2000 when criticizing Zygmunt was the one thing you could do on message boards to draw down “pile-on” fury. Eventually everyone turned on Zygmunt. But at the time the few critics were saying “let people have different views.” It doesn’t matter to me if someone admires SK or attacks him—that’s a plausible range of different views, and I don’t have any stake in how that goes. I think SK kind of put himself out there for some criticism on this one, but then it’s a small thing and will pass without any real effects. I think JT has moments of anti-regime bitterness but then that doesn’t bother me either. I just try to be objective about the whole thing, though that just means in the end that I think having different views is healthy. I never agreed with everything JT did or said, but even in my strongest disagreements it never crossed the line into disdain or dismissiveness. Right now, JT knows more about the Rams than any LA writer, but then that situation won’t last. My hope is that it genuinely is a competitive media market and we get several good sources on the Rams, competing with each other to be the best. In terms of just reading about the Rams that would be best for us nomad fans anyway.
May 10, 2016 at 8:20 am in reply to: John Clayton & others: how soon will Goff be ready to start #43755
znModerator. Steadily bringing along your new franchise quarterback, a la Aaron Rodgers, is a nice idea. But in today’s NFL, with quarterbacks at a premium and job security so rare, it’s not exactly a realistic one.
I don’t see the reasoning there. “Aaron Rodgers” who sat for a couple of year is not the only alternative to starting week one.
I personally don’t care when he starts…but I imagine it would be in the first half of the season. I also don’t think it matters that much. I don’t think job security is an issue, I think Keenum has enough to do fine for however long it is, and I trust the coaches on this one.
Bradford started immediately, and in some ways had more to learn about pro offenses than Goff does. But then in 2010 the Rams had the league’s 3rd easiest schedule v. now when they have one of the toughest schedules in a competitive division with a couple of great defenses.
To me this isn’t controversial. I don’t see any critical need for urgency, and I don’t think my own impatience translates into good football reasons.
May 10, 2016 at 8:04 am in reply to: John Clayton & others: how soon will Goff be ready to start #43753
znModeratorAnalysis: Rams rookie Jared Goff should begin season as starting QB
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/season-715358-rookie-rams.html
When Jared Goff made his debut at rookie mini-camp in Oxnard last weekend, the Rams’ top overall pick couldn’t quite get his timing down. Operating at half-speed, the rest of the Rams offensive rookies were apparently moving too slow for him.
For now, though, that pace is just fine for Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who insists he’ll be deliberate in bringing along the player the Rams brass wagered the team’s future on. On draft night, even as he repeatedly called Goff their “franchise quarterback,” Fisher made no promises the talented rookie would be the Day One – or even Week 1 – starter.
“We aren’t going to subject him to fail,” Fisher said. “We aren’t going to come out Day One and announce that he is a starter. It’s going to happen pretty soon, sooner than probably later. We have some things to do coaching wise, he’s got to learn our offense, he’s got to get to know his teammates, get in sync with his receivers. So when that happens, I don’t know, but that has always been our philosophy.”
This trepidation makes sense, in theory. Steadily bringing along your new franchise quarterback, a la Aaron Rodgers, is a nice idea. But in today’s NFL, with quarterbacks at a premium and job security so rare, it’s not exactly a realistic one.
Not since JaMarcus Russell in 2007 has a quarterback drafted No. 1 overall been on the bench for his team’s Week 1 matchup. Jameis Winston (2015), Andrew Luck (2012), Cam Newton (2011), Sam Bradford (2010), and Matt Stafford (2009) were all thrown into the fire. In fact, of the 24 quarterbacks over the past decade who started eight or more games in their rookie season, 16 were named Week 1 starters.
And the eight who weren’t insta-starters don’t exactly make up a star-studded list of signal callers. Aside from Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater, who both got their first starts in Week 4 of the 2014 season and have been moderately successful since, that group includes the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Colt McCoy, Josh Freeman, Vince Young and Matt Leinart. Only Gabbert is currently on an NFL roster.
So, as the last 10 seasons suggest, if you’re good enough to make it as a future franchise quarterback, chances are you’re probably starting from Day One. Even as Rams coaches attempt to beat the drum for Case Keenum this fall, that will more than likely be the case with Goff, too.
How he does once he’s named the rookie starter, recent history tells us, is far more of a mixed bag.
The Rams, with a Pro Bowl running back and a strong defense in tow, will be better equipped for success than most teams that opt to start a first-year quarterback. But there’s no ignoring how rare it is for a rookie quarterback to lead his team to an above-.500 record. Only six first-year quarterbacks since 2006 have won at least nine games in their rookie season – Luck, Robert Griffin III, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco – and all six have been to a Pro Bowl. (And yes, I, too, nearly forgot Griffin went to a Pro Bowl.)
That said, it’s not entirely fair to quantify the individual performance of a rookie quarterback by wins. In his rookie season in 2011, Cam Newton won just six of his 16 starts on the struggling Panthers but finished with an approximate value of 19, according to Pro Football Reference – the highest single-season value of any rookie in the last decade. For comparison’s sake, in his MVP campaign last season, Newton’s approximate value of 20 led all quarterbacks.
Few rookie signal callers prove that valuable in their first season, though. The average approximate value of NFL quarterbacks with eight-plus starts last season is 11.7, according to Pro Football Reference. In terms of first-year quarterbacks over the past decade, only six even managed to surpass that average single-season baseline – Ryan (14), Newton (19), Luck (13), Griffin III (18), Wilson (16) and last year’s No. 1 pick, Winston (13).
Goff will have his fair share of obstacles to overcome in order to join that exclusive rookie club. His transition from Cal’s Air Raid offense to a distinctly pro-style set will likely mean plenty of growing pains early. Not to mention that the Rams pass offense, which finished dead last in the NFL in 2015, isn’t exactly replete with proven weapons to prop him up, either.
“It’s going to speed up more, the windows are going to be tighter, the receivers are going to be moving faster,” Goff said. “You want to transition to the speed. It is something I am ready for.”
For now, though, his coaches insist there is no rush. Another four months remain before the Rams open the season on Monday night in Santa Clara against the 49ers. And while Fisher acknowledged “the goal” is to trot Goff out then as the starter, the Rams might play coy about that position battle until then.
“He can handle it,” Fisher said after Goff was drafted. “When he steps under center? I can’t tell you.”
But I can. And if recent history tells us anything, you can go ahead mark your calendars:
Sept. 12. Week 1. The beginning of the Jared Goff Era in Los Angeles.
May 9, 2016 at 9:49 pm in reply to: John Clayton & others: how soon will Goff be ready to start #43751
znModeratorExpectations will be high as Los Angeles Rams rookie Jared Goff makes transition to NFL
Sam Farmer
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-rookie-quarterbacks-20160510-story.html
Before he moves forward as Rams quarterback, Jared Goff needs to move backward. Again and again.
The No. 1 pick in last month’s NFL draft is making the transition from a spread to a pro-style offense, taking snaps from under center for the first time since his freshman year in high school. It’s a fairly common transformation these days — fellow first-round pick Paxton Lynch faces a similar learning curve with the Denver Broncos — but it’s more complicated than meets the eye.
“Passing the football is rhythm and timing,” Rams quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke said during a rookie mini-camp last week. “When I’m under center, that rhythm and timing is different than when I’m in the [shot]gun. If I haven’t done it since I was 14 years old, and now I come to this level with the speed of the game, there’s a transition.
“We felt like this kid has the mental capacity to pick it up, the physical ability to be able to make the transition, and we saw it today. We had a walk-through earlier, and from that walk-through to the second walk-through he got better. So there’s growth on Day 1, and that’s what we truly believed in when we drafted the guy.”
The Rams say they won’t play Goff until he’s absolutely ready to step into the job and that they’ve got a sturdy bridge player in quarterback Case Keenum, who has won NFL games. But the reality is, the days of sitting a high-drafted rookie the way the Philadelphia Eagles did with Donovan McNabb, the San Diego Chargers did with Philip Rivers or the Green Bay Packers did with Aaron Rodgers are distant memories.
The expectation is a first-round rookie steps in and plays right away, especially one that cost so much in terms of draft picks, the Rams making an unprecedented trade up from No. 15.
Goff is not alone in that category. Carson Wentz, the No. 2 pick, is shouldering the same expectations in Philadelphia, as is Lynch in Denver. Second-round pick Christian Hackenberg is in the spotlight with the New York Jets, even as the expectations are that the club will eventually work through its contractual impasse with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
And the stage is set for a quarterback competition in Cleveland, which took USC’s Cody Kessler in the third round. Although many evaluators think that taking Kessler that early was a reach and that he’s best suited to be a No. 3 and work his way up, the Browns seem to be more comfortable inserting him sooner. Cleveland, which has had 24 starting quarterbacks since re-launching as an expansion franchise in 1999, signed Robert Griffin III in March.
“If there’s a team that has a 15-year vet or if there’s an open competition, I’m treating it as if I’m the starter,” Kessler told reporters last week. “I’m going to come in there and compete for a spot, but I’m not going to be arrogant.”
It used to be that young quarterbacks sat, sometimes for years, and learned at the elbow of reliable veterans. A seismic shift happened in 2008, when the Atlanta Falcons took Matt Ryan with the third pick, the Baltimore Ravens took Joe Flacco with the 18th and both quarterbacks not only started their entire rookie seasons but also reached the playoffs. No rookie quarterback had done that before. (Peyton Manning was the Day 1 starter for the Indianapolis Colts a decade earlier, for instance, but the Colts went 3-13 during his rookie season.)
Since Ryan and Flacco entered the league, at least one rookie quarterback has started his team’s opener, among them the Detroit Lions’ Matthew Stafford, the Colts’ Andrew Luck, the Oakland Raiders’ Derek Carr and last year’s Nos. 1 and 2 picks, Jameis Winston of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Marcus Mariota of the Tennessee Titans.
Rams General Manager Les Snead was a scout in Atlanta when the Falcons drafted Ryan and said the team started him only because he was ready to go, not because of external pressure to do so.
However, Snead said the league could be in a “swing cycle” back to the time when it was OK to sit a rookie quarterback for a while because of what he sees as a widening gap in styles between NFL and college offenses.
“It’s still relatively simple to go and pick out, ‘That guy has the traits to play in the NFL and be successful,’ ” Snead said. “What’s getting harder is, how long is it going to take that guy — whether he’s a wide receiver, an offensive lineman, or a quarterback — to be ready? You’ve got to learn to take a snap for the first time, even if that seems odd. Learn to call a protection, learn multiple cadences. We all know that while you’re learning something, you’re a little slower. So the key is, don’t put the guy out while he’s still a little slower while he’s learning it.”
Former NFL quarterback Kurt Warner, who led the St. Louis Rams to a Super Bowl victory, said the act of dropping back to pass is more complex than most people realize. A quarterback’s drop meshes with the route timing of his receivers, so a passer will know by his own feet where his receivers are at any given point.
“The hard part is developing that timing when you’re in shotgun and you’re not taking a drop,” said Warner, now an NFL Network analyst. “That to me is the hardest part. I think all of these quarterbacks can develop an ability to drop back and throw from under center. But there’s no question when you’re learning a million different things and trying to get acclimated with the speed, the last thing you want to have to work on is being able to take a center snap and drop back five yards and think about that aspect of things, when you really want to be thinking about just the mental side of playing this game.”
Sonny Dykes, Goff’s coach at California, said the transition could be easier for Golden Bears quarterbacks, who are asked to make sophisticated reads of a defense.
“What I think gives our guys a chance at the next level is … we do a lot of full-field reading,” Dykes said. “So Jared, a lot of times it’s based on, ‘If this guy does this, you do this.’ We asked him to read pre-snap and before the snap decide, ‘I’m throwing it here.’ We also ask him to read one specific guy, a half-field read. ‘OK, if this guy does this, throw it to this guy.’ We also ask for full-field reads, where he drops back and may start to the left, and he’s going to progress all the way through his reads and get to his fourth or fifth read.
“Just what they’d ask [in the NFL]. I don’t know what else they’d ask a guy to do.”
Dykes has no concerns about Goff making the under-center transition quickly and seamlessly.
“Sure, there’s some footwork things involved,” he said. “If you were talking about a guy here that had slow feet or wasn’t good in the pocket, I could see where you could say he’d have a hard time adjusting. But we’re talking about a guy here that’s got as good a feet as anybody I’ve ever seen. That’s what makes him unique.”
znModeratorfrom MMQB: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/30/nfl-jared-goff-cleveland-browns-tim-couch-2016-draft
from an article published before the Rams trade-up
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Cleveland’s signing of Robert Griffin III clouds the Browns’ QB future but doesn’t seal it. Only $6.75 million of Griffin’s contract is guaranteed, and that total isn’t enough to preclude them from dealing Josh McCown and pulling a trigger on a quarterback with the second overall pick. . . .Goff appeared to have the inside track—and with good reason. He was the first true freshman to start under center for Cal in the school’s history, and by the start of his junior season he’d developed into the most complete quarterback in the country. As a thrower, his accuracy down the field and outside the numbers might be his greatest strength. Goff’s favorite throw of last season came in Cal’s win against Texas in mid-September. On a 4th-and-3 in Longhorns territory, he dropped back to the 25, turned his head to the left to hold the free safety and finally whipped back to the right and floated a throw to Kenny Lawler just inside the pylon. There’s a reason Goff was First Team All Pac 12. He can put the ball wherever he wants to. He’ll make it rain out there.
Great arms come along all the time, but by the end of his time at Cal, Goff’s control—of both his surroundings and the Cal offense—is what put distance between him and the rest of the country’s prospects. His pocket presence seems preternatural. Goff navigated traffic with what seemed like a sixth sense during his final year at Cal, side-stepping rushers and finding throwing lanes while never fixating on those chasing him. He says he never sees actual rushers, only “flashes of color” in his peripheral vision, and it shows. Last season was also the first in which Goff was given complete audible power at the line of scrimmage. When he felt the need to change a play, there was a green light to do it.
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