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znModeratorIt’s a shame he’s remembered primarily for “The Phantom Sack.”
Everett on the Giants game:
JimEverett
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?17,445558,454824#msg-454824Thanks for your support over the man years. Love the game…Love our Rams!!
Yes sir….The Giant Playoff game was certainly a game to remember. Before I go into any stories…let’s give those that were there a bit of flavor on what allowed us to be qualify for that playoff road game.
Here’s a good review: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loa_Angeles_Rams_season
We started off our 1989 campaign with 5 straight wins. Then went for four losses in a row. We got back on the winning trail with four in-a-row again!
Can any one say streaky? LOL
Then the 49ers got us at home….in a game that REALLY got away from us (why? we are up 17-0, and going in to score on the one yard line to be 24-0 then we our fumble the snap…ulghhhh. Then right afterwards they went 99 yards for a TD (Taylor goes for 92 yards of it on a silly slant pass!! But then…we fumble again on the kickoff return…so we were going to be up by 24…the next time I touched the ball, we had a 7 point lead. Folks…on our league…that’s a big difference! In the end…The 49ers scored 20 in the 4th quarter to beat us 30-27. On a side note…The doubt at the end of this game…would come back to haunt us later when we faced them in the championship game.
Anyways…We put ourselves in a position to MUST WIN our last two game in order to qualify for the payoffs (needed to be 11-5) . New York Jets at home was a rather easy one for us…but going to New England for the last game of the season was extremely tough. Thus our playoff run started on Dec 11th…not Dec 25th!
So to qualify as a wild-card, we knew we would be on the road for our last 5 games (last regular season in NE, then 3 playoff game, then #5 would be the Super-Bowl).
Winning 5 road games is extremely rare…but what about the 2010 Green Bay Packers??!!…who won their last 4 road games…and also their last two home regular season games (against Giants & Bears) to qualify as a wild card team….then went on to win the SB. Now that is special!!!!!!!!!!!!Back to 89….Our wild card game was at Philadelphia, and we were huge underdogs going into the game against Reggie White, Eric Allen, Jerome Brown & Company. Also, our defense was very banged up at that point and Fritz Shurmur came up with…a never used before…2 down lineman, 5 linebacker scheme because our interior D Lineman were out and injured.
Before the Philly game we had to hear and answer questions about “west coast team can’t go east and win in the winter” what are you going to do if the weather is bad…blah, blah, blah. . Well. we went to NE on the last game of the season and got a tough win in tough weather…so by the time we went to Philly (with all our cold weather gear and hot coco) we absolutely stunned the Eagles when we came out and threw 14 points on the board in the first quarter. Their Defense was reeling and our Defense kept Randell Cunningham from doing his “Hey, I am going to pass….no I am just a runner gig!” :X( This was ONE OF THE BEST wins ever that gets overlooked…and BY FAR the best job coaching especially on our Defensive side…because we had so many injuries…but we held the Eagles to one score.
This was a very good win for us and as a team…we became closer, as we were traveling more…we didn’t care where we played…we believed.Then it was Giants week. Sure….earlier in the year we beat the Giants by a large margin, but they didn’t have their key players in the lineup due to injury, So we did not take anything for granted and…again…we kept hearing everyone back east saying we can’t go into the cold and win. So what did we do?…Our D prepared for a low scoring game for we ALL knew playing against LT, it would be difficult to score over 30 again. We also prepared for having two men (lineman and Back…or Lineman and TE) over LT at all time…if LT moved to one side…we’d start the cadence…and then move the TE over to him and change the play…that is how good he was! An entire game based around where one man lined up. Incredible!! The only other two individual we ever played against that commanded 80% of that attention was…Reggie White and Bruce Smith.
Back to our Giant tale…LOL…Did you know that Bill Belichick was the Giants Defensive coordinator in 1989? Really, it’s so fun to watch him…still to this day…as with all of us…there are a few tendencies that repeat….and those tendencies were sniffed out by Ernie Zampese. Let me explain. Bill is a cover 2 zone guy at heart. Bill loves to keep his corners up…so they can be physical and then let the safeties cover over the top. Why? This is a bend-but-don’t-break strategy (NOT Buddy Ryan…Oh I mean… Jeff Fisher’s philosophy :imsorry…but over time…Bill has move more towards Fisher’s strategies than most realize) and helps eliminate those big plays that we are accustom to seeing from New England’s offense with Tom Brady. That’s why Tom is so in-tune with the game. He’s getting not only excellent offensive strategy, but he has Bill letting him know where the weaknesses need to be attacked. It’s on the best relationships to watch. Oh…got off track…back to the old days. LOL
Here’s the ending… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3g1a4xo1DY Getting the interference call…was a blessing. yet we were at the 30 or so and we went with a run but received a penalty that moved us back to the 35. Why is the 35 a key area? We’ll it’s a 52 yard kick from there and we Rams…had the wind at our back. Mike Landsford is very capable of hitting 50 yarders…so if the Giants could just move us back 5 to 7 yards (like as in a sack) then they could rest easy that they would get the ball back in OT. Well, that means blitz for Bilechick…yet his corners are built to be zone guys. Advantage…Rams.
Just as predicted by Ernie…Giants blitz…and Flipper is STILL RUNNING!
Afterwards Merlin…we celebrated and felt on top of the world at that time. I don’t recall the flight home…it all went too fast…and that’s how life should be. Enjoy ALL the moments life offers us. Many of the opportunities…we’ll jump on, some we’ll miss…but damn ain’t it fun finding opportunities?
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Everett on the Saints game:
JimEverett
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?17,445643,487196#msg-487196This is a great question and yes…there are a ton of tidbits and morsels about this story!
However….It’s memorial weekend, so thanks for allowing me to cover only one of the main chunks in a wild game that ended with a huge Nougat.
Please correct me if i am wrong but I remember we had 4:01 left on the clock, we were down 17-3 and we had the ball.
Been sacked 6 times already and hurried almost every time we threw. TV sets around the globe could be heard clicking off on that Sunday Evening ESPN game.It would seem that at this point in the game, pass rushers extraordinaire Pat Swilling and Ricky Jackson pretty much had career days. Is the Phat lady singing? Hummm, didn’t hear her and we had other plans anyways. maybe we learned late, but how about if we don’t allow the pass rushers time to rest between plays? Its late and we need to score often and quick…so we went to hurry up offense. A brilliant decision!!
We can discuss all the details about Flippers acrobatic catches even in double coverage and all the great play of everyone on our team…who continued to believed let’s “find a way to win.”
That in itself, has been the key point to the New Orleans Game in 1989, “find a way to Win”. My children have heard it, the kids I have coached throughout the years have heard it, my colleges gave heard it…it’s part of my everyday fabric. Now, I do wish we could have won more…sure…who wouldn’t?. But I can look back today, knowing that in each and every game I played, I tried my best to “find a way to win.” Another great example of that is at Tampa Bay a few years after this New Orleans game. In that game we were on the road and down 28-0 at half, and we all “found a way to win.”
And that’s my question to you sir Eternal Horns…What was your toughest battle…that you may have looked like you were far from successful, but turned it around to be a positive event for your life?
Life is a like a box of holiday chocolates…you don’t know what your getting until you bite into it.
I can tell you, after Pat Swilling and Ricky Jackson, bit into us Rams that night, they thought they had a mouth full of easy smooth taffy…but at the end of the night, the had to realize that what they thought was sweet Blue and Gold horned candy had suddenly turned into chunks of Ovis Aries feces….and that must have been tough to swallow. And the after taste…OH MY…..LOL
znModeratorNick Foles is reportedly skipping Rams OTAs out of protest
Former starting QB is apparently taking a page out of the Sam Bradford playbook
By Will Brinson
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nick-foles-is-reportedly-skipping-rams-otas-out-of-protest/
Nothing is easy for the Los Angeles Rams at the quarterback position, which has been a revolving door of passers under Jeff Fisher. That’s why the franchise traded up to take Jared Goff with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.
Goff is the starter because you don’t trade tons of picks to draft a guy you’re not playing in a season where you need to win more than eight games and make a playoff run. Everyone knows this, including Nick Foles, who is planning to skip OTAs as a sign of protest, according to Jim Trotter of ESPN.
While not technically a holdout, this is about as much of a holdout as someone who is currently slated to be a backup can pull off. Foles can skip the voluntary workouts and not be fined after all.
And it’s not hard to blame Foles for being miffed. He was traded by the Eagles to the Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford (the rare “lose-lose-lose-lose” trade) last offseason.
Foles inked a two-year, $24.5 million contract with the Rams that featured a pretty stout amount of guaranteed money ($13.8 million).
Like Bradford, he couldn’t have expected he would be the long-term solution for his team, but he probably expected to start/play prominently for multiple years.
Instead Foles was benched in his first season with the Rams and promptly shoved down the depth chart with the drafting of Goff.
At this point he might be behind Case Keenum on the depth chart, although it’s all irrelevant with Goff expected to start the entire season barring injury or a really bad performance.Which is why Foles holding out and/or skipping workouts is the ultimate exercise in futility.
znModeratorNick Foles is reportedly skipping Rams OTAs out of protest
Former starting QB is apparently taking a page out of the Sam Bradford playbook
By Will Brinson
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nick-foles-is-reportedly-skipping-rams-otas-out-of-protest/
Nothing is easy for the Los Angeles Rams at the quarterback position, which has been a revolving door of passers under Jeff Fisher. That’s why the franchise traded up to take Jared Goff with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.
Goff is the starter because you don’t trade tons of picks to draft a guy you’re not playing in a season where you need to win more than eight games and make a playoff run. Everyone knows this, including Nick Foles, who is planning to skip OTAs as a sign of protest, according to Jim Trotter of ESPN.
While not technically a holdout, this is about as much of a holdout as someone who is currently slated to be a backup can pull off. Foles can skip the voluntary workouts and not be fined after all.
And it’s not hard to blame Foles for being miffed. He was traded by the Eagles to the Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford (the rare “lose-lose-lose-lose” trade) last offseason.
Foles inked a two-year, $24.5 million contract with the Rams that featured a pretty stout amount of guaranteed money ($13.8 million).
Like Bradford, he couldn’t have expected he would be the long-term solution for his team, but he probably expected to start/play prominently for multiple years.
Instead Foles was benched in his first season with the Rams and promptly shoved down the depth chart with the drafting of Goff.
At this point he might be behind Case Keenum on the depth chart, although it’s all irrelevant with Goff expected to start the entire season barring injury or a really bad performance.Which is why Foles holding out and/or skipping workouts is the ultimate exercise in futility.
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Nick Foles doesn’t appear for ‘voluntary’ training in Oxnard
By Vincent Bonsignore,
OXNARD — The Rams opened the first of their six voluntary organized training activities (OTAs) on Tuesday with one notable, albeit expected, absence.
Quarterback Nick Foles, who lost his job last season to Case Keenum and whose job status grew even more tenuous with the addition of Jared Goff, the first pick overall in April’s draft, was a no-show.
While Foles and his camp haven’t publicly demanded a trade or to be released, their end game is fairly transparent. With the Rams giving Goff every chance to be their opening-day starter and Keenum someone they continually touted as their starter heading into training camp, Foles’ best bet for the future is seemingly with another team.
And with OTAs technically a voluntary part of offseason workouts — meaning he can’t be fined for being absent — it seems highly unlikely Foles will join the Rams over the next two weeks.
According to sources close to the situation, relations between the Rams and Foles appear amicable and respectful. The Rams had discussions during the draft about potentially trading Foles, who earned a $6 million roster bonus in March and whose $1.75 salary for 2016 is fully guaranteed, but a deal was never consummated.
But with quarterback situations always evolving around the NFL, the possibility of moving Foles at some point remains in play. And with three other quarterbacks currently on the roster — Goff, Keenum and second-year prospect Sean Mannion — the Rams could end up releasing Foles outright.
The Rams acquired Foles last offseason in the blockbuster Sam Bradford trade with the Philadelphia Eagles and then rewarded him with a two-year, $24,540,000 contract extension with $13,792,000 guaranteed.
But he was largely ineffective over the first 12 weeks of the season and was ultimately replaced by Keenum in week 12.
For now, he remains property of the Rams. But from a distance.
June 1, 2016 at 10:27 am in reply to: Keenum will be the starter to open camp…how close or far is Goff? #45179
znModeratorJeff Fisher: As Jared Goff gets more comfortable, he’ll get more reps
Josh Alper
The Rams became the last team in the league to move into the OTA phase of their offseason work on Tuesday, which meant that first overall pick Jared Goff finally got to face off against NFL defenders in a practice setting.
Goff didn’t get the majority of the snaps during practice, however. Coach Jeff Fisher said that Case Keenum got 60-70 percent of the reps during Tuesday’s practice and saw all the time with the first team, an arrangement that Fisher said everyone is aware will be changing in the near future.
“The room’s not an issue because all of them are professional,” Fisher said. “But they also understand that the reps are going to change. And as soon as Jared comes along in becoming more familiar with things, then we’ll start increasing his reps. So there’s a lot of reps to go around. I want to make sure [Goff] gets one reps at least two, three, or four days through the OTAs.”
The Rams may want to hold off on giving Goff too much to do too soon, but the price paid to bring him to Los Angeles means it’s likely just a matter of time before he’s at the controls of the offense for good after the Rams.
znModerator
“SO WHO IS THAT OVER THERE, THAT ‘NICK’ GUY? HE’S A QUARTERBACK TOO?”
znModeratorTight end Temarrick Hemingway hoping to grow into a role with the Rams
JACK WANG
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hemingway-717775-south-tight.html
Temarrick Hemingway is staring into the camera. In the picture, his face is almost expressionless – no smile, no frown. A black jacket hugs his narrow shoulders, covering a slightly askew white-collared shirt.
No more than 180 pounds, he looks very much a teenager.
“He doesn’t look like that anymore,” said Nygel Pearson, laughing.
Pearson coaches fullbacks and tight ends at South Carolina State, which means he got a close look at how Hemingway – now 6-foot-5, 245 pounds – went from a lanky receiver into an NFL-worthy target.
Chosen in the sixth round by the Los Angeles Rams, Hemingway became the 56th player drafted out of the school in Orangeburg, S.C. Along with defensive lineman Javon Hargrave, a third-round pick, the tight end’s selection marked the first time two Bulldogs were taken in the same draft in nearly two decades.
Now, with the Rams starting organized team activities Tuesday, the rookie has a chance to carve out his spot on an unsettled depth chart. Following the departure of Jared Cook, the only pass-catching tight end on the roster with any NFL experience is sixth-year veteran Lance Kendricks, who pulled in 245 yards and a pair of touchdowns last season. The franchise also used a fourth-round pick on Western Kentucky’s Tyler Higbee, who pleaded not guilty to second-degree assault and is due in court again June 17.
Hemingway should have a chance to make an impact. Born in Loris, S.C., a town of fewer than 2,400, the 22-year-old arrived at South Carolina State needing to add weight. A new diet and conditioning program paid off quickly; by the end of his redshirt year, he hovered around 210 pounds.
“I gained more than the freshman 30, whatever you want to call it,” Hemingway said.
Still, it took time for the idea of an NFL career to take hold. South Carolina State, after all, was not a prime destination for talent evaluators. The FCS program sits roughly an hour south of Columbia, S.C., and has produced only one first-round draft pick: defensive end Robert Porcher, who made three Pro Bowls with the Detroit Lions. From 2002-09, not a single Bulldog heard his name called.
But after recording 638 yards and four touchdowns through his first three seasons, the dream started to feel real. Heading into his senior year, he started noticing more and more scouts in Orangeburg.
“That’s when I knew I had to get serious about what I wanted to do,” he said.
The work didn’t stop with the end of South Carolina State’s season. In early January, Hemingway arrived at St. Vincent Sports Performance in Indianapolis, throwing himself into a pre-draft training regimen that lasted seven weeks. Almost every day, he would wake up at 7 a.m., hit 150-minute workout sessions in both the morning and afternoon, then close the day with position work and film study.
“Everything we threw at him, he absorbed it,” said SVSP executive director Ralph Reiff. “He got better really quickly, from position work to footwork. The only place he was really more advanced than anything else was in his intellectual work.”
Reiff said Hemingway was usually quiet and reserved during their time together, but added that he became especially engaging when the talk turned toward football: “He jumped up on the whiteboard in the classroom and just sort of took over.”
Over and over again, Reiff described him as coachable – the same word Pearson used to describe his former pupil.
The NFL combine helped him show off his raw talent. Hemingway was a top-two performer among tight ends in the 40-yard dash, three-cone drill and 60-yard shuttle. Asked if Hemingway reminded him of any past clients, Reiff brought up Jack Doyle, who has 209 receiving yards and three touchdowns in three seasons with the Colts.
CBS Sports analyst Dane Brugler has compared Hemingway to Ladarius Green, a former fourth-rounder who recently signed a $20 million deal with the Steelers.
Those players may represent a floor and a ceiling. For now, Hemingway is just happy he has a window.
“I think it’ll all come in good time,” he said
znModeratorThis one sounds more like a press conference than a PR.interview.
All the quotes you’ve been reading in various articles (on Tavon, Groh, Quick, etc.) are all from this vid.
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znModeratori often dream of a seattle-type scenario where goff is surrounded by a strong running game and a cohesive offensive line. and then he just throws these accurate darts around the field to all the different receivers.
from Rams Begin OTAs in Oxnard
Fisher said he’s already noticed growth for the receivers under Groh, specifically mentioning Brian Quick. The head coach expects the new-look offense to significantly increase wide receiver Tavon Austin’s production.
“When it’s all said and done, we’ll be able to look back and, I think, see Tavon maybe double in catches over what he had last year,” Fisher said. “And that’s the most important thing, is just get the chunks down the field.”
znModeratorRams Begin OTAs in Oxnard
By Myles Simmons
The Rams have officially reached Phase III of the offseason program, as they held their first of nine OTAs on Tuesday afternoon.
“It’s really exciting to get everybody together,” head coach Jeff Fisher told therams.com following practice. “For those who don’t know, it’s the first time where we could interact with offense and defense. So we’ve been on the field off and on for the last month, but they’re in great shape.”
Per the NFL rules set in the latest collective bargaining agreement, there are three phases of the offseason program. The first consists of only strength and conditioning work on the field, though coaches may discuss Xs and Os in the classroom. In Phase II, coaches may interact with players on the field, but must keep the offense and defense completely separate. Now, the Rams may have both offense and defense on the same field at the same time.
That fact brings about plenty of competition, and on Tuesday L.A. harnessed that energy through one-on-one drills. In one such activity, position groups went against one another with a simple objective. For the quarterback and receiver: complete the pass. For the defender: force an incompletion.
With the season so far away, it’s a time where the best will go up against the best — like linebacker Alec Ogletree and running back Todd Gurley. Or cornerback Trumaine Johnson and wide receiver Tavon Austin.
Aside from that type of competition, Fisher said the plan for Phase III is to go through the second of three playbook installation processes.
“We’ve already done that once,” Fisher said. “You do it before OTAs, then during OTAs, then once again in training camp. So we’re just going back. And then we’re going to put them in a lot of different situations — in two-minute stuff, and some hurry up.”
While the defense should look similar in its third year under coordinator Gregg Williams, the Rams have changed many elements of their offense. After taking over with four games to go in 2015, Rob Boras remains at offensive coordinator. Plus, the team hired Mike Groh to be its passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.
Fisher said he’s already noticed growth for the receivers under Groh, specifically mentioning Brian Quick. The head coach expects the new-look offense to significantly increase wide receiver Tavon Austin’s production.
“When it’s all said and done, we’ll be able to look back and, I think, see Tavon maybe double in catches over what he had last year,” Fisher said. “And that’s the most important thing, is just get the chunks down the field.”
As for who will be throwing Austin those passes, quarterback Case Keenum was the first to take snaps under center on Tuesday. Fisher said Keenum received between 60 to 70 percent of the Day 1 reps. And while that situation will likely change sooner than later with rookie Jared Goff’s expected development, Fisher isn’t concerned about the sense of competition between the QBs.
“The room’s not an issue because all of them are professional,” Fisher said. “But they also understand that the reps are going to change. And as soon as Jared comes along in becoming more familiar with things, then we’ll start increasing his reps. So there’s a lot of reps to go around.”
According to the head coach, the No. 1 overall pick handled his first reps of OTAs well, just as expected.
“I’ve watched him throw a lot of balls, and he did fine,” Fisher said. “He’s accurate. He knows where to put it. He knows what shoulder to put it on. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. Today was good for him because he got to go up against a defense — a defense that was running full speed that’s somewhat sophisticated.”
While Goff didn’t take reps with the unit today, Fisher said he’ll mix in Goff with the first-team offense sooner than later.
“As soon as Jared comes along in becoming more familiar with things, then we’ll start increasing his reps,” Fisher said. “I want to make sure he gets “one” reps at least two, three, or four days through the OTAs.”
And so with Day 1 in the books, Fisher said the team is off to a good start for Phase III.
“Everybody we expected to be here was here,” Fisher said, “and I felt we got in a lot of good work for the first day.”
znModeratorIf you hate Gandhi so much, maybe you should
just stop eating Indian food.I eat Indian food to spite him.

znModerator1. tavon austin becomes more than just a multipurpose weapon and develops as a wide receiver.
2. todd gurley’s knee is one year healthier and stronger and he becomes that much more explosive.
3. robert quinn come back healthy.
4. alec ogletree comes back healthy and shows leadership at the middle linebacker position.
5. greg robinson finally puts it all together and becomes a good to very good left tackle.
6. rob havenstein builds off his rookie year and becomes a very good to great right tackle.
7. rodger saffold stays healthy.
8. one of higbee, cooper, or thomas has a surprise rookie year and can contribute 700-800 yards receiving.
9. ej gaines comes back healthy and shows the consistency that jenkins wasn’t always capable of.
10. rams find a sleeper among the udfa’s to become the rams’ starting free safety.
11. goff, having help in the backfield in the form of gurley as well as a stable offensive line, shows enough ability as a rookie to spread the ball around and keep defenses from keying in on gurley.is this too much to ask?
A lot of those are very plausible.
The ones I take as less plausible are numbers 7 and 10.
7 doesn’t matter because they have 4 guards (Reynolds, Saffold, Brown, Wichman).
10? I can’t see GW putting the FS duties on a rookie. But they do have more veteran candidates ahead of the rookies anyway…and it’s helped by the fact that a GW free safety isn’t a classic centerfielder. He’s more of a deep last line of defense and has to read and tackle. They have possibly 4 candidates for that: Bryant, Alexander, C.Davis, and Joyner.
IMO if Randolph comes through (and I wouldn’t bet against it) it will be next year. I like him as much as you do btw.
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May 31, 2016 at 8:54 pm in reply to: US Doctors Call for Universal Healthcare: "Abolish the Insurance Companies" #45141
znModeratorWell, I’m sure somewhere in the deep-mystery of the Universe,
your wife wants to kick your ass for thinking that you ‘failed her’.You did everything you could, given what you knew, and the circumstances.
I have to echo that.
Well said and true.
I read that entire story, ozone, as a moving memorial and a testimony to your devotion, love, and care.
My only inevitably inadequate response is that I am honored you posted that for us.
znModeratorBS. Japan freed India from British rule by degrading their military and holdings in Asia. Ghandi sat around and got lucky he wasn’t in a french colony.
Well…we will just have to disagree on that one.
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znModeratorWell said.
Except it was all ironic! Gandhi DID fight for freedom and independence from a foreign imperial system.
znModeratoravon is what he is. a multipurpose weapon. a better version of danny woodhead or darren sproles.
which isn’t bad. i think he could even get 1000+ yards from scrimmage this year and double digit tds this year (he had 9 tds last year).
but i think it’s gonna have to be one of higbee, cooper, or thomas to break out as a receiver. or maybe even britt.
Yeah I agree with that.
He ain’t a pure receiver.
But that don’t mean he’s ineffective as a weapon.
znModeratorTavon Austin poised to have a big year in L.A.
Keith Rivas
https://lasportshub.com/2016/05/29/tavon-austin-poised-to-have-a-big-year-in-l-a/
We could see Tavon Austin develop into something special in Los Angeles.
The new change of scenario is great for the Rams franchise, and the idea of getting a fresh start on the offensive end isn’t a bad place for the team to be either.
That in mind, wide receiver Tavon Austin has to go into this next season with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, despite the reality of lofty expectations for the former top-ten pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.
Developing other weapons on offense like running back Todd Gurley and rookie quarterback Jared Goff will be crucial in Austin’s further development and role with the team.
As a report from SB Nation’s Turf Show Times explains, the emphasis for this next season is on how Los Angeles uses Austin, as that will make all the difference on the field.
Expectations for Austin are only going to increase now that the Rams added two receiving threats in Pharoh Cooper and Michael Thomas.
Austin was practically ineffective during the 2014-15 season, scoring no touchdowns on 31 catches, 44 targets, and 15 games played in his sophomore year in the NFL.
Jake Ellenbogen: Why the Rams Picking Up Tavon Austin's Option Was The Right Move https://t.co/m5DXjPr0tJ via @TurfShowTimes
— RamsNewsNow (@RamsNewsNow) May 28, 2016
Compared to last year, however, Austin’s vision on the field, explosiveness, and ability to weave in, around, and even through defenses is getting better with more experience.
And the numbers speak for themselves.
While Austin has only gotten nine touchdowns during his tenure in the league, five of them came from the chaotic Rams offense of a year ago.
If Los Angeles can provide stability at the quarterback position throughout at least the majority of the season, Austin should do just fine if he’s continually given the opportunity to perform.
The Rams can get the help they need from Austin, he just needs this season to go out and prove himself on the field away from the lofty goals he failed to reach in St. Louis.
May 31, 2016 at 6:00 pm in reply to: US Doctors Call for Universal Healthcare: "Abolish the Insurance Companies" #45117
znModeratorCanada- My sources are two Canadian widows from a couple of FB support groups.
Well I am Canadian originally and have family there.
The wait time thing is on elective procedures only, and that was a deliberate policy choice—keep costs down when it comes to elective procedures.
Either way, here is one advantage of single-payer over private insurance: with private insurance, billions upon billions of dollars go to things like advertizing, executive salaries, lobbying (they are one of the biggest in spending on lobbying), and campaign donations. That doesn’t happen with public health insurance.
There’s also administrative costs that have an effect on all health care costs. These are costs that exist solely because medical providers must deal with multiple insurance companies, while insurance companies must all pay clerks etc to handle all those transactions on their side. With public insurance this is all cut down on both sides to be much more efficient and much less costly.
http://fortune.com/2014/10/20/health-insurance-future/
In 1991, Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, two Harvard doctors with an interest in health policy, published a paper in The New England Journal of Medicine in which they estimated that health care administration constituted somewhere between 19% and 24% of total spending on health care, an amount that was 117% higher than what it was in Canada and much more than in the U.K.
Their updated estimate, once again published in The New England Journal of Medicine, found that administration accounted for about 31% of health care spending and that more than 27% of all of the people employed in health care worked in administrative and clerical occupations.
This large administrative expense is not surprising. It costs money for health care providers to deal with multiple insurers, each with its own protocols, forms, and requirements. And it costs money for insurers to be able to transact with multiple providers and to furnish the oversight—which many would consider more annoying than helpful—of health care delivery.
znModeratorWAGONER
I have talked to a few people in the Rams organization about this topic [the 2016 UDFAs] and there have been a few names that have popped up. The Rams are high on some of the receivers they brought in as rookie free agents, specifically the likes of Paul McRoberts, Nelson Spruce, Marquez North and Duke Williams. They hope that at least one of those players can show enough to stick around. Beyond that, a few other names to file away are safety Brian Randolph, cornerback Jabriel Washington, offensive lineman Jordan Swindle and running back Aaron Green. My way-too-early pick to emerge is Randolph (though again, it’s way too early to project). His combination of ability on special teams and track record in the SEC plus the team’s need at safety would seem to make him a contender for a roster spot. But let’s also be clear: The “biggest impact” from this group probably isn’t going to mean starting and playing a lot right away.
May 31, 2016 at 5:04 pm in reply to: Keenum will be the starter to open camp…how close or far is Goff? #45108
znModeratorJared Goff takes center stage as Rams begin OTAs today
Darin Gantt
Jared Goff takes center stage as Rams begin OTAs today
The Rams are the last team in the league to start their OTAs, so it’s time to see the first pick in the draft.
So while it’s effectively the first day of class, it’s still an important test for quarterback Jared Goff, as he leads the entire team onto the field today.
“Just kind of stay low and gain their respect,” Goff said of his goal this week, via Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times.
Of course, keeping a low profile is harder when your team makes such a dramatic move to get you, as the Rams did trading up to the No. 1 overall pick this year.
Goff has been through some degree of positional work and has a rookie minicamp under his belt, but today will be the first real glimpse of him with the team, and there’s a natural curiosity among them, to see if he can be the quarterback they need to become something other than 7-9
“I’m excited for him,” cornerback Trumaine Johnson said. “He’s going to go out there and make plays — and he’s going to make mistakes. That’s what a rookie quarterback does.
“But we drafted him for a reason, to come in here and win games. And I feel like we can win games with him.”
Of course, the Rams may trot Case Keenum out there first in the quarterback line for show, but the team is obviously in Goff’s hands, and he gets a chance to show what he can do with it today.
May 31, 2016 at 5:01 pm in reply to: Keenum will be the starter to open camp…how close or far is Goff? #45107
znModeratorJared Goff plans to ‘stay low’ at Rams OTAs
Bob Hille
After five weeks of mostly position-group work, the Rams on Tuesday were set to begin organized team activities at their temporary training base in Oxnard, Calif.
It marks the day No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff starts to try and show the entire team what all the NFL Draft hubbub was about.
Goff has said he intends to keep his head down, work hard and lead by his actions, not words, the Los Angeles Times reported.
“Just kind of stay low and gain their respect,” he said.
Case Keenum, Nick Foles and Sean Mannion are the other QBs on the Rams’ roster as coach Jeff Fisher and his staff will oversee six noncontact practices that will be closed to the public. (Media will get a peek during four.)
But all eyes will be on one.
“We drafted him for a reason, to come in here and win games. And I feel like we can win games with him,” veteran cornerback Trumaine Johnson said.
Goff began developing relationships with first-year players early this month at rookie orientation and minicamp. Now he’ll work on building a rapport with veterans — all while trying to soak up a new offense and transitioning from Cal’s “Bear Raid” spread offense that had him playing almost exclusively out of the shotgun.
According to ESPN.com, the Rams will likely sprinkle in shotgun concepts in OTAs to help ease the transition, but they also will work on getting him comfortable under center. And then there’s another on-field adjustment: the speed he’s going to see on defense.
“His head is probably spinning trying to get the playbook down pat,” left tackle Greg Robinson, the No. 2 pick in 2014, told the Times, recalling his first OTAs. “No. 1. That’s a lot of pressure. … He’s the man, so I can just imagine what he’s going through.”
znModeratorHe says screw the vast
field of research, bombing civilians is always wrong.Yeah well Gandhi is free to say that because of all the brave american men and women who bombed Tokyo for a living during the war.
If not for that he would be living under some kind of foreign imperial system without national independence.
In other words he would actually have to fight for his freedom himself, as opposed to blithely criticizing those who did it for him.
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May 31, 2016 at 4:37 pm in reply to: US Doctors Call for Universal Healthcare: "Abolish the Insurance Companies" #45102
znModeratorSorry to hear your story ozone.
On Italy. Italy is not a single-payer public insurance system. The medical industry itself is part public, which is technically called socialized medicine (although in this case it is a mixed system). Socialized medicine and single-payer insurance systems are different. In contrast to Italy, for example, in the Canadian single-payer system, the medical industry is private and only the insurance is public.
In Italy:
…healthcare is provided to all citizens and residents by a mixed public-private system. The public part is the national health service, Sistema sanitario nazionale (SSN), which is organized under the Ministry of Health and is administered on a regional basis.
Family doctors are entirely paid by the SSN, must offer visiting time at least five days a week and have a limit of 1500 patients. Patients can choose and change their GP, subjected to availability.
On, however, single payer and wait times in Canada:
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/single-payer-does-not-equal-increased-wait-times/
Now it’s possible that single payer systems can lead to increased wait times. In Canada, they keep spending far below what we put out. They do so partially by spacing out visits for elective procedures and such. That’s a conscious decision, and it leads to some people waiting for elective care. But that’s an outcome of their financial conservatism, not the single payer system. Other countries (think France) don’t have the same issues with elective procedures because they spend more money. Our single payer system (Medicare) has far fewer spending restraints, and does not suffer from the wait time problem
That is, the decision to have longer wait times for elective procedures in Canada is a deliberate Canadian fiscally conservartive policy, not a direct result of a single-payer system.
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znModeratorRams last to begin OTAs with plenty of work to do
Nick Wagoner
OXNARD, Calif. — The Los Angeles Rams are set to begin organized team activities Tuesday as the last team in the NFL to embark on the final stage of the offseason program.
That the Rams are the last to begin is mostly inconsequential. The decision to begin later actually comes with a reason. Coach Jeff Fisher has long been a believer in getting his rookie class acclimated to the team before throwing them in with the veterans for the closest thing the offseason program offers to a regular-season practice.
“We want them to go out and condition and be prepared to go into the drills,” Fisher said. “Our offseason program is this, we can’t come together until June, until the OTAs. So that’s when the offense and defense come together and compete, so we’re separate, so they’ll just be drilling. That’s an excellent opportunity to get them up. Once they come together in the OTAs in June, then they’ll be able to compete.
“So it works out good — you get more out of the vets, the ‘rooks’ get to see it. Once we get to OTAs, everything will be good.”
Well, we are now to OTAs with practices this week set for Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. Over the following two weeks, the Rams are also scheduled to have OTAs on June 7, 8 and 10, with a mandatory minicamp set for June 14-16. In past years, Fisher has eschewed that final minicamp so long as his team has strong participation in the offseason program to that point. With only six OTAs on the schedule and teams allowed up to 10, it’s possible minicamp could be canceled and more OTA dates added that final week.
Regardless of how the schedule plays out, there’s still plenty of work to do over the next three weeks. Last week, we asked five questions that need answers during OTAs.
Here’s a look at some of the things the Rams would like to accomplish in the coming days and weeks:
Get the offense down — It’s unlikely the Rams will install a drastically different offense than what they’ve run in the past, but it’s also safe to say there will be some tweaks now that Rob Boras is settled in as offensive coordinator full time. Boras and passing game coordinator Mike Groh will attempt to get the offense installed during OTAs so the team, especially quarterback Jared Goff, has a solid working knowledge of it when the Rams come back for training camp in July.
Fill holes on defense — The Rams still have plenty of talent on defense, but some of that has been reconfigured because of the free-agent departures of cornerback Janoris Jenkins and safety Rodney McLeod, and the release of end Chris Long and linebacker James Laurinaitis. The Rams plan to lean on in-house options such as cornerback E.J. Gaines, linebacker Alec Ogletree and end William Hayes to fill the void. As for McLeod’s spot, that’s something we’ll truly get a feel for during these OTAs as players such as Maurice Alexander, Cody Davis, Christian Bryant and even Lamarcus Joyner could get a look there.
Mix in the rookies — As mentioned above, the Rams haven’t been quick to put the rookies in with the veterans but will do it in a practice setting for the first time during these OTAs. It’s natural that the rookies will have a lot of catching up to do, but the question is how much? Goff, in particular, will be an interesting case. The Rams have made it clear they don’t intend to rush Goff, but they can at least give him his first look at an NFL defense and see where he stands as he adjusts to a pro-style offense
znModerator(It works the same for other interpretations too.)
That works both ways.
Yeah I know…and I said as much.
That’s one reason why I said it is a debate that cannot be won.
Another reason is that there is a vast amount to consider in even discussing it.
I didn’t say anything btw about anyone being simplisitc, in case that was aimed at me. I tried to stress that:
People just have to make an honest effort to be informed, and then out of the myriad of slippery factors, make a choice that suits them and that they can stand behind.
Which I think everyone in this thread has done.
znModeratorbnw,
We’ll never agree on this one. I think the evidence shows that it was absolutely unnecessary
Some evidence viewed a certain way can lead to that interpretation
I have never shared that interpretation myself, for a lot reasons.
Either way that’s all it is. An interpretation. An argument. I find that people who tend to advocate the “not militarily necessary” interpretation are strongly pre-disposed to that interpretation to begin with. (It works the same for other interpretations too.) But if you survey the vast field of research on this, and I mean all of it from every angle, it never appears that simple.
This is a debate that can never be “won.” People just have to make an honest effort to be informed, and then out of the myriad of slippery factors, make a choice that suits them and that they can stand behind.
Which I think everyone in this thread has done.
znModerator. This month, the Baltimore Ravens lost three of their allowed 10 OTA periods and received a fine. Why? Because they allowed players to wear pads during rookie minicamp, reportedly during a drill that lasted five minutes.

znModeratorIt’s time for Rams to get serious about football with final stage of OTAs set to begin.
RICH HAMMOND
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-717653-otas-players.html
Welcome to the final stage of OTAs, which now transition from summer camp to training camp.
Sure, the Rams have been working in Oxnard since mid-April. There’s been weightlifting, running, drills and meetings on top of meetings. But now, as the major offseason work draws to a close, it’s time for the Rams to get serious about football.
Beginning Tuesday afternoon, the Rams will be on the field three times a week, for two hours a day, until late June. It’s not quite a practice – there’s no full-speed hitting and tackling – but it’s also not two-hand touch in the park.
Organized team activities, commonly known as OTAs, provide NFL players and coaches to get together in the summer and improve. Players can meet new teammates and coaches. Rookies mix with veterans for the first time. Updated playbooks are distributed. The sessions don’t necessarily translate to improvement in the fall, but they certainly don’t hurt.
The OTAs are particularly important for the Rams, because the presumption is that recent No. 1 overall draft pick Jared Goff will win the starting quarterback job in August. These sessions give Goff the chance to build chemistry with his new linemen and receivers.
The Rams have a different attitude about OTAs than some teams. The sessions are strictly optional for players, but teams have the right to hold one mandatory mini-camp for veterans in June. Rams coach Jeff Fisher has something of a wink-nod agreement with his veterans: show up for OTAs, and there won’t be a mandatory camp. So the Rams expect good attendance this week.
Don’t look for an influx of Rams at the airport this morning, though, because this is the culmination of weeks’ worth of OTAs, a phenomenon that has grown since the NFL was last in Southern California in 1994.
This is the third and final stage of OTAs. Players first convened in mid-April, mostly for conditioning work. In the second phase, players were allowed on the field, but offensive and defensive players were not allowed to do drills together. The team also held a three-day mini-camp for rookies, who were not allowed to work out with veterans.
The NFL is not casual about this stuff. This month, the Baltimore Ravens lost three of their allowed 10 OTA periods and received a fine. Why? Because they allowed players to wear pads during rookie minicamp, reportedly during a drill that lasted five minutes.
So the Rams won’t want to mess around, but they’ll be happy to get to work. Goff can work with Fisher and newly installed permanent offensive coordinator Rob Boras, and the Rams can run through mock-game scenarios. This is the last time players and coaches will be allowed to work together before the start of training camp in late July in Irvine.
It’s also a chance for players’ stock to rise or recede, and not just high-profile guys. Yes, all eyes will be on Goff, but given that teams can (and often do) make roster cuts and additions during the summer, performance in OTAs might make a difference between an NFL job and the Arena Football League.
The OTA sessions are not open to the public, and media members are not allowed to watch until Wednesday, but here are five players who have a lot to gain or lose during the next three weeks.
• Dominique Easley, DT: Easley was a first-round draft pick of New England in 2014 and a defensive-line starter at the beginning of last season, but he has been unable to stay healthy, a reputation he first earned in his college days at Florida.
The Patriots released Easley in April and the Rams signed him in May. It’s unlikely that Easley would supplant either Aaron Donald or Michael Brockers as a starting defensive tackle, but he certainly could play his way into the rotation.
• E.J. Gaines, CB: Gaines was set to be a starter for the Rams in 2015, but suffered a major foot injury in training camp and was lost for the season. Now the Rams need a replacement for Janoris Jenkins, who signed a big free-agent contract with the New York Giants.
Gaines should have the first chance to play opposite Trumaine Johnson, but the Rams also brought in free-agent cornerback Coty Sensabaugh.
• Lance Kendricks, TE: When the Rams released starting tight end Jared Cook in February, it opened an opportunity for Kendricks, who had played a supplemental role to Cook for the past three seasons. Things got more complicated in April, when the Rams used draft picks on tight ends Tyler Higbee and Temarrick Hemingway.
That’s not a very strong endorsement for Kendricks, a former second-round pick whose catch totals have dropped in each of the past three seasons. He needs to show the Rams he can handle a bigger role.
• Duke Williams, WR: Williams once described himself as a player with first-round talent but “my character is a seventh-round pick.” That’s a fair self-assessment for a talented receiver who went undrafted this year after he was kicked off Auburn’s team last season.
Williams, listed at 6-foot-2, 229 pounds, certainly would be a nice big target and possession receiver for Goff, but must prove that he can be a good citizen off the field.
• Greg Zuerlein, K: Once hailed as “Legatron,” Zuerlein struggled last season and fell out of favor with the Rams. They re-signed him this spring, but declared that he will face competition for his job.
Of particular concern is Zuerlein’s mid-range accuracy. Last season, he made only 5 of 8 attempts from 40-49 yards. In his first three seasons, Zuerlein was 17 of 19 from that range. The only other kicker in OTAs is undrafted free agent Taylor Bertolet from Texas A&M.
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The Rams are holding their third and final period of organized team activities (OTAs) starting Tuesday. Players and coaches will be on the field, running through plays and scenarios, but the sessions are less intense than regular-season practices.
Where: River Ridge Fields, Oxnard
Who: All veterans and rookies are invited to participate, and while the sessions are optional, the Rams expect strong attendance.
When: Three times a week, starting Tuesday, but the two-hour on-field sessions are not open to the public.
Why: Think of it as the NFL’s version of college football’s spring practice. The Rams haven’t been together since mid-January, so OTAs present them an opportunity to sharpen their skills together before the start of training camp in late July.
znModeratorJets and Ryan Fitzpatrick Mess Reaching New Levels
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/jets-ryan-fitzpatrick-mess-reaching-164632709.html
If you were looking for a nice relaxing Memorial Day weekend, you probably should have avoided anything having to do with the Jets. It was a battle for the hearts and minds of the Jets fanbase being waged via media reports and headlines. After the smoke cleared (if it even has really), we are left with the notion that the front office is low balling Ryan Fitzpatrick with a deal that would pay him backup level money. Let’s sift through this mess and find a potential solution.
Jets Willing to Offer Multiple Years
Initial reports had us believing that the Jets were only interested in Fitzpatrick at a one year deal. Couple that with the team taking Penn State’s Christian Hackenberg in the 2nd Round of the draft and the Jets’ plan seems fairly obvious. Sign Fitzpatrick to a short, one year deal to bridge to Hackenberg. Yet the current offer on the table, according to Fitz’s camp, has the Jets offering him a three year, front loaded deal. Both the Jets and Fitz must realize that he is not in the long term plans, so why offer him anything that involves money in a second or third year? And does Fitzpatrick really have any other team offering him any money at all, let alone guaranteed money?
Fitzpatrick Wants More Guaranteed MoneyThe aforementioned three year offer had a $12,000,000 salary in year one along with $8,000,000 per year in the following two seasons. Presumably, this structure would have most, if not all, of the guaranteed money in the first season. Again, Fitz’s replacement is already on the roster. For the Jets to make any offer in the seven digit range I would only hope does not involve affecting the 2017 salary cap. Fitz has rejected this reported three year deal, essentially telling the Jets he wants both more money and more years. For a player with no other interested party, who has never played in a playoff game, Fitz is going all out in his demands. For the record, I only like the idea of resigning Fitzpatrick at a one year deal with not a penny more than $8,000,000 guaranteed. He is not part of the Jets long-term plans and his body of work tells us that he is not worth any more than that.
Too Much Bad Blood to Move Forward?My biggest take away from all of the back and forth of the last few days is how nasty the negotiations are being perceived. There is an obvious disconnect between both parties and considering June is already upon us, is there too much bad blood to get a deal done? The Jets are already leaking stories about how strong Geno Smith has looked in early offseason work. Contrast to that, fan favorites Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker are publicly siding with Fitzpatrick. For a team that is stock full of veterans that needs to win this season, there is way too much turmoil for my liking. I see so many talking heads just assume a deal will get done, but all I see are two sides drifting further apart.
znModeratorZN,
But the point of recent historical research is that it (dropping the bombs) didn’t bring an end to war.
I did not read that as recent historical research supplanting other positions. I read it as one possible interpretation among others, and not, to me, a complete or completely historically grounded one. I actually don’t buy the argument.
This issue is an old discussion and has swirled in many directions at once over the years.
That’s fine. We disagree on this one. But doesn’t it at least give you pause that so many generals (and admirals) said it wasn’t necessary at all, including Ike and Nimitz? I listed some of their quotes. They said it wasn’t needed to end the war. That Japan would have surrendered months earlier if we hadn’t been so adamant about “unconditional” surrender. And their only “condition” was to keep their emperor as figure-head. An extremely small price to pay to really, truly “save countless lives.”
Dropping the bombs obviously didn’t save any. It cost at least 300,000 civilian deaths that first year. Who knows how many have died since that first year, due to radiation, etc.?
Anyway, I’m more than convinced by the arguments from others I presented (going back to the start of the thread), and do see them “well-ground” historically. I also see them as brave. Very brave. It’s all but “sacred ground” to argue against WWII policies and our sense of the “greatest generation.” I’ve seen this among conservatives and right-libertarians, especially. The same folks who believe in all kinds of “false flag” ops and basically consider our government evil, simply will not accept that dropping the bomb was wrong — strategically or morally. They draw the line there. Obama is supposedly purposely trying to destroy America, but no way could Truman have gone in a different direction.
Oh, well. I just want peace. Won’t live to see it. But I want it for the youth of the world, at least.
No, I have to say that gives me no pause at all. None of this is new. You can pull up articles on this issue going back to the 80s and sometimes even the 40s (archive material) and the internal american debate is not new.
Plus I have read countless nuanced, fact-rich debates asking whether or not the Potsdam declarations even threatened the emperor. Plus in the wake of the surrender the emperor did renounce his divinity, which is one reason most non-japanese could even name the present japanese emperor (Akihito) let alone tell you if they had one.
One key for me is that Hirohito himself stated in his speech advocating surrender that with the bomb japan faced extinction as a people. It allowed him to make the most face-saving move possible. Meanwhile one argument for Hirohito advocating surrender is that giving in because of the bomb saved him from having to give in due to internal popular rebellion against the war. (That was a real consideration.) Meanwhile strong military factions within the country were so resistant to surrender that close allies of Hirohito’s had to hide the recording of his surrender speech before it was broadcast to keep it out of the hands of diehards who wanted to destroy it. (In fact there was a coup and the leaders of the coup did search for the recording in order to destroy it.)
So I have seen sentiment go back and forth on this over the years, but as of right now, this is my position. I don’t see the “new” arguments as new, I just see them as a trend. There is a swing in sentiment. I also don’t buy them. In fact if anything they tend to shift the ground away from Japan toward internal american debate. There is a ton of nuance, contradiction, and detail on the japanese side of it. In face the governing japanese Council that debated the surrender had to meet with only the key members present because they knew they had to discuss at least the possibility of surrender and they also knew whoever advocated it faced the possibility of assassination by diehards (in the night of the coup I just mentioned, there were in fact attempted assassinations.)
So, duh, none of this is simple.
I don’t see those arguments as brave, either. Nor as the opposite of brave. I just see them as more people doing now what people have always done before over this—wrestle with it. It was the same when I was 17.
znModeratorZN,
But the point of recent historical research is that it (dropping the bombs) didn’t bring an end to war.
I did not read that as recent historical research supplanting other positions. I read it as one possible interpretation among others, and not, to me, a complete or completely historically grounded one. I actually don’t buy the argument.
This issue is an old discussion and has swirled in many directions at once over the years.
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