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January 13, 2017 at 8:25 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63394
znModeratorhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-joe-woods-to-become-broncos-defensive-coordinator/
It remains unclear if Joseph, who ran a 4-3 scheme with the Miami Dolphins, will scrap Phillips’ 3-4 alignment.
You know if Denver goes to a 4/3 while the Rams got to a 3/4, it opens the (speculative) possibility that there could be exchanges of players between the 2 teams. I don’t mean anything big…could be anyone.
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January 13, 2017 at 8:23 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63393
znModeratorHe might use one, but the other MLB would be a move lber. He also uses a one-gap technique, not the two-gap that is the more tradional 3-4. His will lber is a chase LBer. He does use a SLBer, which maybe Forrest can fill?
That’s all true, but, Barron was small even for a 4/3 LB.
In a 3/4 he may be a flat-out liability.
WP uses a 1-gap system but then so did Williams. Even in a 4/3 with Donald drawing double teams, Barron would often just get blown out.
You still have to control the gap. You can’t do that by getting launched into the upper seats.
January 13, 2017 at 7:55 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63389
znModeratorsaw a blurb somewhere where a guy said not to worry about the 3-4/4-3 distinction with Phillips. He said all Phillips does is have one of his DEs stand up.
That’s not quite true. You still need 4 linebackers, and in a normal 3/4, the LBs are bigger than they are in a 4/3.
So according to that idea, Barron is too small. Or it’s possible he will be viewed that way.
So you have Quinn and Tree and need 2 more.
In terms of the DL it may be set, assuming Donald fits the 3/4 DE or 3/4 3-tech thing.
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znModeratorSince he was hired as Houston’s DC in 2011, Wade Phillips’ defenses have finished 2nd, 7th, 7th, 1st, and 4th in the NFL in yards allowed.
— Ryan Kartje (@Ryan_Kartje) January 13, 2017
January 13, 2017 at 6:16 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63380
znModerator3rd post in a row on this in the last hour.
What about Wauffle?
I don’t think Wauffle is a 3/4 DL guy.
So getting Phillips may mean losing Wauffle.
znModeratorWith Fisher, like a lot of teams, the Rams had a veteran head coach with final say on personnel and then a GM who in essence worked for that coach. That’s how Seattle does it, that’s how New England has done it since Bellichick’s first day being hired, long before he became “Bellichick.”
Of course another more prevalent system out there is the one where you have a veteran GM who is over the coach. Both models are out there and both have worked.
But! Interestingly, now that the coach is the inexperienced one and the GM isn’t (it was the other way around with Fisher and Snead), my bet is Snead becomes more of the Polian type “guy in charge” style GM on draft and free agent decisions.
EXCEPT the roster. As a rule, coaches always have last say on cutting the roster down for the season.
January 13, 2017 at 5:35 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63377
znModeratorSee the post previous to this one.
On how to use Donald. in the 3-4 defense these days the DC can play one of the DEs down a 3-tech. In the Phillips playbooks it’s called “Sink” and they can have AD move to either side.
Just thinking out loud. The idea there is that rather than play both 3/4 DEs over the tackle (as DEs do in most 3/4s), one plays in the 3-tech gap between guard and tackle. The idea is that that suits Donald better.
According to the pic in the last post the front 7 would be:
LDE: Westbrooks, Hayes
NT: Brockers
3-tech: DonaldLOLB: ?
LILB: ? (in the pic it’s Barron but I can’t see that) (Forrest?)
RILB: Ogletree
ROLB: QuinnDonald, Quinn, and Tree on the defensive right side would be a lot of fun and a nightmare for opposing offenses.
According to the way I have interpreted this, Barron seems to be odd man out. Too small to play LB in a 3/4? But then I ain’t Phillips and maybe he has ideas.
If though I am right about Barron, they would then need 2 LBs. Could one of these guys can become a linebacker in this system? —> Forrest, Longacre, Fox, Sims.
And you know…that IS possible, that one of those guys could convert.
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I have no idea how Phillips uses his safeties, so it’s not clear if he would like the Alexander/McDonald combo.
BTW another thing I have seen guys talk about is moving Donald to ILB. On paper that’s plausible but then you would still need a DE.
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January 13, 2017 at 5:21 am in reply to: speculation conversation…what if they switched to a 3/4 #63376
znModeratorAnd now…it’s no longer pure speculation.
Here’s a thought on how they could line up.
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off the net from Blue and Gold
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there is not that much difference in what he does in a 3-4 than what teams do in a 4-3.
The one-gap part is the key, it’s not a two-gap 3-4 like the Pats sometimes use. It’s like Tennessee, or Steelers.
“We try to fit what the players can do in the defense rather than saying, ‘OK, we’re a 4-3 or we’re a two-gap 3-4,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re a team where if a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let him do that. If a guy is a power guy, we try to let him be that. It’s all what individual players can do.”
On how to use Donald. in the 3-4 defense these days the DC can play one of the DEs down a 3-tech. In the Phillips playbooks it’s called “Sink” and they can have AD move to either side.

znModeratorfrom just before the hire
If Sean McVay leaves, Redskins would lose a strong offensive coach
John Keim
ESPN Staff Writer (covers Washington)The Washington Redskins can survive the loss of offensive coordinator Sean McVay, if he’s hired as head coach of the Rams. They have two former offensive coordinators on staff and a head coach who landed in his current job based on his work doing the same.
McVay had a second interview with the Rams on Wednesday, an obvious good sign for him. The Rams, though, will interview Anthony Lynn for a second time as well. But there’s a good chance McVay will be gone — and the Redskins would lose a bright, young mind.
No one is irreplaceable: Coach Jay Gruden called plays in his first season as coach and might do so again. They also have two former coordinators: line coach Bill Callahan and quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh.
For now, though, it’s about the potential impact of losing McVay. It’s not hard to see why he’s impressing other teams; he’s only 30, but he comes across as much older because he’s been studying the game most of his life. He reads numerous books on leadership. He communicates well and he works hard. As one player said, “He carried himself like a head coach.”
Here’s what you need to know about having him as the coordinator the past two years:
He called every play: Though Gruden and others had input on the game plan, it was McVay who called the plays. Gruden would be on the headset and make suggestions, but it was McVay making the decision on the plays. The Redskins’ offense might have frustrated fans at times, but the play-design impressed coaches and others outside of Washington. If McVay leaves, the Redskins do have experienced play-callers on staff.
He’s considered quarterback-friendly: Even the quarterbacks will say that they can’t excel without talent at the receiver position and the Redskins had plenty of it, with Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson and Jamison Crowder along with tight end Jordan Reed. Their impact can’t be dismissed. But in numerous conversations over the course of the season and in the offseason, the quarterbacks felt comfortable entering games because they were well-prepared and coached. It allowed them to make decisions pre-snap that eased their burden in a game. Every look they would get in a game, they would have seen during the week. The quarterbacks considered it “friendly and understandable.” Cavanaugh also played a big role, though, in developing this offense. Cousins routinely credited Cavanaugh with simplifying reads, making it easier to know when to move on from a target.
He liked talking to the quarterbacks: During the game, that is, over the headset. After calling the play, he’d tell the quarterbacks where they should go with the ball based on the look they would receive. There were times this was viewed as a negative, but it also was seen the other way at times. Some players felt it hurt Kirk Cousins; others did not. But the bottom line is, sitting in the booth, McVay had a clear view of the look they might receive based on how the defense aligned against a similar formation earlier in the game. It helped. For someone who did not play the position, the quarterbacks liked his thought process.
He’s smart: McVay has been around the game his whole life, thanks to his grandfather who was a longtime San Francisco executive. McVay has devoured books on leadership styles, and one player described him as “charismatic.” But being around the game helped him develop a strong sense of the big picture and a clear understanding of how he wants things done — important traits for a head coach or a coordinator. But as a coordinator it enabled him to get a feel for how defenses were trying to stop them. He wasn’t always right and there were times he admitted needing to stick with the run more or improve in certain areas. He’s only been the full-time coordinator for two seasons. But players liked that “he studies his ass off.”
These aren’t traits that others lack or that makes it impossible to replace him. But it is what you’d hear from those who worked closely with McVay and why they were impressed with someone who is only 30.
January 13, 2017 at 4:32 am in reply to: audio/vids…the sports media industry on McVay hire (including Faulk) #63368
znModeratorSilver: McVay was described as ‘off the charts’ in interviews
NFL Media columnist Michael Silver joins “Up To The Minute” with the news that the Los Angeles Rams have hired Sean McVay as the new head coach.
znModeratorRams’ Sean McVay: Portrait of an up-and-coming coach
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-coach-mcvay-20170112-story.html
New Rams Coach Sean McVay played college football at Miami (Ohio), which is so prolific at developing coaches — Bo Schembechler, Ara Parseghian and John Harbaugh among others — it is known as the ‘’Cradle of Coaches.”
McVay, 30, might be mistaken for a coach coming straight out of the bassinet.
But McVay, who became the youngest head coach in NFL history when he was hired Thursday, has earned a reputation for detail, presence, organization and quarterback whispering while zooming through pro football’s coaching ranks.
Now, after three seasons as the Washington Redskins’ offensive coordinator, he takes over a Rams team that produced the NFL’s worst offense two years in a row.
The Rams believe McVay can lift quarterback Jared Goff, the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft, as he did Kirk Cousins, Washington’s fourth-round draft pick in 2012 who has developed into one of the NFL’s top passers.
Cousins also is a believer in McVay.
“Really happy for Sean McVay!” Cousins tweeted after the Rams announced the hire.
In Washington, McVay also got “buy-in” and production from receiver DeSean Jackson, who will be a free agent.
“Like I told you last time I saw You before Exit Meetings You the Man Now !! Congrats To a young Talented Coach Sean McVay,” Jackson wrote on Instagram.
Alan Chadwick, McVay’s high school coach, said talent, competitiveness and football intellect were “probably something he inherited in his DNA.”
McVay’s grandfather, John, also played at Miami and played and coached in the NFL before becoming a San Francisco 49ers executive who helped put together five Super Bowl winners. His uncle, John McVay Jr., also played at Miami, and his father, Tim, played at Indiana.
McVay’s knack for nurturing quarterbacks is easy to trace: He starred at the position in high school in Georgia before switching to receiver in college.
At Marist High, McVay ran the triple option and helped lead his team to a state title.
“He was such a gifted athlete from an explosion, quickness and speed factor,” said Chadwick, who has coached at Marist for 41 years, the last 32 as head coach. “He was constantly making big plays, extending plays and making a lot of things out of things that just fell apart.”
McVay rushed for more than 1,000 yards and passed for more than 1,000 in each of his last two seasons.
Chadwick said McVay’s NFL pedigree showed up even then: He took his offensive linemen out to a nice dinner before a playoff game.
“‘You don’t do that kind of thing unless you’ve been there and been around programs that do that,” Chadwick said.
On one occasion, Chadwick said he went out of his way to let McVay know he was paying attention after the quarterback made a rare mistake.
“I was just running him up one side and down the other for about five minutes,” Chadwick said, laughing. “I turned around and walked away and then turned around and did it again. Just one of those things that says you expect him to be better.
“He walks back to where the trainers are and he just turned to the doctors who had been watching and listening. He says, ‘That’s OK, he thinks I’m hard of hearing.’ ”
As a Miami assistant, Shane Montgomery recruited McVay to play receiver. Montgomery, who became head coach near the end of the 2004 season, remembers an easy transition for an intelligent player with quarterback experience.
“They put a lot on him in high school,” said Montgomery, now offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Youngstown State. “He was such a great quarterback, he knew where the receivers should be.”
After redshirting, McVay’s freshman season was cut short because of injury. He caught 38 passes over the next two seasons.
McVay had one more year of eligibility but decided instead to pursue coaching.
“Up until then, he hadn’t said a lot about it,” Montgomery recalled.
McVay joined Jon Gruden’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers staff in 2008 as an offensive assistant.
When Gruden was fired, McVay became the receivers coach for the United Football League’s Florida Tuskers, working under former Rams coach Jim Haslett and with several other experienced coaches.
Receiver Dominique Thompson, who played in college at William & Mary, had NFL stints with the Rams and the Carolina Panthers before joining the Tuskers for training camp.
When he first met McVay, he thought he was a fellow player, not a coach.
“But working with him, you could see he was very high energy and that he definitely knew his stuff,” Thompson said. “He was wise beyond his years.”
McVay returned to the NFL the following year as Washington’s assistant tight ends coach, and then became the tight ends coach for the next three seasons before he was promoted to offensive coordinator.
In 2014, Washington was 13th in the NFL in total offense. After a drop to 17th in 2015, they jumped to third this season.
Now McVay moves from working with the offense to overseeing the entire team.
His former coaches said he would have no problem commanding the room.
“He’s got the total package,” Chadwick said. “Intelligence, knowledge, experience and the personality to work with people.”
Montgomery pointed to the role models McVay has worked with during his coaching career, including Jon and Jay Gruden and Mike Shanahan.
“You can never predict that someone can have a chance to be an NFL head coach at age 30,” Montgomery said. ‘If there’s someone who can do it, it’s a guy like him that’s very well-respected, a good communicator and very sharp.”
znModeratorFormer 49ers exec John McVay a proud grandpa with Rams’ hiring of grandson Sean
By MARK WHICKER / STAFF WRITER
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mcvay-741035-sean-coach.html
John McVay was ecstatic when he heard that his grandson Sean had become the Rams’ head coach.
He also said someone else would be happier.
“That Rams quarterback is going to love this,” he said Thursday, referring to Jared Goff.
Sean McVay, who will turn 31 on Jan. 24, was Washington’s offensive coordinator when Kirk Cousins began flourshing at quarterback. Cousins threw for 8.3 yards per attempt this season, third in the NFL for those who threw for more than 1,000 yards. He also ranked second in number of completions of 20 or more yards and third in the 40-plus category.
Cousins threw 57 touchdown passes with 24 interceptions in his two seasons with McVay. He was a fourth-round draft pick in 2012. Goff was the first player picked in the 2016 draft.
But McVay’s age will be the primary focus as he prepares the Rams for 2017. He is the youngest coach in modern NFL history. When the St. Louis Rams won their only Super Bowl championship, he was 13.
“Chronological age is one thing, but experience is something else,” John McVay said. “He’s had a lot of very good coaching experience with some good people.”
John McVay was a head coach for Memphis in the USFL and for the New York Giants. For 16 years he was the 49ers’ vice president and director of football operations, and they won five Super Bowls in that era, four by Coach Bill Walsh.
One of the many young coaches influenced by Walsh was Jon Gruden, who became the Raiders’ head coach at age 34 and won a Super Bowl at Tampa Bay. Jon hired Sean McVay as a Tampa Bay assistant coach, and Jon’s brother Jay is the Washington coach and worked with Sean in 2009, on the staff of the semi-pro Florida Tuskers of the United Football League.
“Jon Gruden would hold a football coaches’ camp and bring in a lot of big names,” John McVay said. “Sean got involved in that. Sean reminds me a lot of Gruden. I’m not surprised he did well in the interviewing process because he’s very personable. And he’s a very big student of Walsh. There’s a book Walsh wrote called ‘Finding The Winning Edge’ that a lot of people swear by, and I know Sean has read it a number of times.”
Sean McVay was a wide receiver at Miami of Ohio. His father Tim was a defensive back at Indiana and then became a TV executive in the Cox chain. One of his stops was in Atlanta, where Sean was a high school star.
McVay quarterbacked Marist High to the Georgia 4A title in 2003. He was voted the offensive player of the year in that classification. The runner-up was Calvin Johnson, who became an All-Pro receiver for the Lions, and McVay has joked that his selection over Johnson has made him suspicious of the media’s judgment.
Washington tight end Niles Paul called McVay “a genius” in the way he could get his receivers into open spots.
McVay’s success will depend on how well he can deal with events beyond the chalkboard. But he’s been around the league long enough not to be surprised.
“The only thing is, I don’t think I can call him a kid anymore,” John McVay said, knowing that others will.
znModeratorTweets on McVay from DC ESPN Writer Jason Reid@JReidESPN
Jason Reid@JReidESPN
Sean McVay is extremely smart and capable. He’s a hard worker and a good man. He gets it on every level. He also has a huge challenge ahead.
For Gruden’s sake, it’s imperative he hires an OC who was as organized as McVay. To quote a Redskins official, “Trust me, Jay needs Sean.”
The thing about McVay is that he’s fiercely loyal to the people for whom he works. He learned that from his grandfather.
When McVay was tight ends coach, lobbied hard for Reed. Used to go over plays with him at team hotel night before games.
Would actually set up chairs in conference room at hotel and go through route tree, what defenses might do, how Jordan should counter, etc.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Wade Phillips has agreed to terms to become Rams defensive coordinator, per sourceMcVay already showing he gets it as a head coach. Forget hiring your buddy. Hire the right guy.
McVay knew he needs an old hand. Say what you want to about Wade, but he can coach him some defense.
Believe it or not, Jay isn’t the most, well, detailed guy on some things, people in the building say. McVay is. I’ll leave it at that.
I don’t know if McVay will succeed in LA. That’s a tough gig. But he’s smart. And he understands people/players. Half battle.
Sean is a huge loss. Anyone who argues otherwise is either lying or has no clue of dynamics in building/on staff
January 13, 2017 at 3:50 am in reply to: audio/vids…the sports media industry on McVay hire (including Faulk) #63364
znModeratorJust treat this as a link.
Louie Tee on Sean McVay
January 13, 2017 at 3:35 am in reply to: audio/vids…the sports media industry on McVay hire (including Faulk) #63363
znModeratorAg I had already done Breer. (No big, just a heads up as to what I did.) But I did steal your mp3 player.

znModeratorwho does have last say?
i would guess snead?
You mean now? We don’t know yet.
Under Fisher? It was Fisher.
znModeratorPhillips has been a head coach or DC for a combined 34 years.
OUt of those 34 years, how many times has a defense of his been ranked lower than 13th?
12.
How many times has a defense of his been ranked top 5?
10.
znModeratorWade Phillips to Rams as defensive coordinator
Josh Alper
Wade Phillips to Rams as defensive coordinator
The Rams will be balancing out the league’s youngest head coach with a very experienced defensive coordinator.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Wade Phillips will be running the defense for Sean McVay in Los Angeles. There was a report that Phillips was McVay’s preferred choice as defensive coordinator before McVay was hired by the Rams.
Phillips ran the defense in Denver for the last two years and won the first Super Bowl of his long career thanks to an overwhelming effort by his unit.
In addition to his long list of defensive coordinator stints, Phillips has been a head coach on six occasions with one of them — an interim tour with the Saints in 1985 — coming before McVay was even born. That knowledge of the NFL would help any head coach, but Phillips should be particularly beneficial to a young one who comes from an offensive background.
McVay worked with Phillips’ son Wes with the Redskins. The younger Phillips is that team’s tight ends coach and the team was interested in interviewing his father, but will now have to look elsewhere to replace Joe Barry.
znModeratorDid the Rams run the wco last year?
No…it was a Coryell variant.
znModeratorThis kind of gives me thoughts about George Armstrong Custer.
Well, Napoleon was a captain by age 20, and a brigadier general by 24.
So my advice to McVay is, don’t invade Russia.
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znModeratorNorv Turner is the missing link….
Can’t do Turner I think. Classic old Coryell OC with a WCO head coach? Turner ain’t gonna switch systems and it would reduce McVay’s effectiveness for a while if he did.
January 12, 2017 at 8:51 pm in reply to: audio/vids…the sports media industry on McVay hire (including Faulk) #63319
znModeratorFaulk on Sean McVay: His ability to communicate is impeccable
Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk gives his take on Los Angeles Rams new head coach Sean McVay and the Chargers moving to Los Angeles.
znModeratorWord is…Lynn is looking like a top candidate to take the HC gig in San Diego.
Yep
Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
Told Anthony Lynn will be named #Chargers head coach.
znModerator
znModeratorRams make Sean McVay youngest head coach in NFL history
USA TODAY
The Los Angeles Rams made NFL history with their coaching hire on Thursday.
In being named to the Rams’ top job, former Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Sean McVay, 30, becomes the youngest coach to ever lead a team. Former Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin, who was appointed to the position at 31 in 2007, was the previous holder of the title. McVay turns 31 on Jan. 24.
McVay helped Washington finish with the No. 3 overall offense this season, his second as coordinator.
“This is an exciting day for the Los Angeles Rams as we welcome Sean McVay as our new head coach,” Rams owner Stan Kroenke said in a release. “The accomplishments and success that he has rendered in less than a decade in our league are remarkable. I am confident in his vision to make this team a consistent winner and to ultimately bring a Super Bowl title home to Los Angeles.”
In Los Angeles, McVay will be faced with rebuilding an offense that ranked last in the NFL in each of the past two seasons. The Rams finished 4-12 and are without their first-round draft pick after trading up last year to select quarterback Jared Goff with the No. 1 overall pick.
znModeratoroff the net from Rams43
on NFL Network just now…
Jared Goff was in on the initial McVay interview!
This is per Mike Silver.
Goff and McVay bonded and Goff came away VERY impressed from the jump.
znModerator
from the wiki
Anthony Lynn
Anthony Lynn has worked under 5 Head Coaches:
Mike Shanahan, Denver Broncos (2000-2002)
Jack Del Rio, Jacksonville Jaguars (2003-2004)
Bill Parcells, Dallas Cowboys (2005-2006)
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2007-2008)
Rex Ryan, New York Jets (2009-2014), Buffalo Bills (2015-2016)As coach:
Denver Broncos (2000–2002)
(Special teams assistant)
Jacksonville Jaguars (2003–2004)
(Running backs coach)
Dallas Cowboys (2005–2006)
(Running backs coach)
Cleveland Browns (2007–2008)
(Running backs coach)
New York Jets (2009–2014)
(Running backs coach)
Buffalo Bills (2015–2016)
(Offensive coordinator/Running backs coach)
Buffalo Bills (2016) (Interim head coach)Lynn likes to run the ball on offense, and keep the defense rested so they can “pound” the opposing team. He provides a strong running game and has exceptional run reads. Offensively, his approach spirals off the idea that the running game should open up opportunities for the passing game. He welcomes his players input and gives them a voice. By simplifying the playbook, Lynn aims to reduce the stress of his players so they can execute with precision. Anthony has coached some of the best running backs in the game and has been the common denominator in some of the greatest rushing offensives.
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NFL interest
On December 30, 2015, the Miami Dolphins interviewed Lynn for their head coach position. He was the fourth head coaching candidate interviewed that week. Anthony Lynn also interviewed for the head coaching job with the Jets organization on January 6th of 2015, shortly after head coach Rex Ryan was terminated. Lynn knew the organization well, and was extremely well-respected. In January 2016, Lynn was a head coaching candidate for the San Francisco 49ers. He removed his name from consideration before a decision was made. Despite not taking a head coaching position in 2016, media insider Ian Rapoport listed Anthony Lynn as one of his candidates in a good position to become a head coach.
Accomplishments
In 2003 and 2004 with Coach Lynn on the roster, the Jaguars had one of the top four rushing seasons in team history, with Fred Taylor at 1,572 yards in 2003.
Assisted Jamal Lewis in 2007-2008, who yielded back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons.
From 2009 to 2013, with Lynn as running backs coach, the Jets running game produced an NFL-leading 137.0 yards per game.
In 2013, Lynn help Chris Ivory establish a team-leading 833 yards on 182 carries.
Top ranked running game for the Buffalo Bills in the 2015-2016 season...
znModeratorian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Rams signed new coach Sean McVay to a 5-year contract, source said. So… he will almost be 40 then (in just a few years) -
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