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znModeratornot kromer. he’s the oline coach. and not trestman. but a possible third candidate who hasn’t been named.
Oh, okay.
January 25, 2017 at 12:09 am in reply to: Believe it or not it's time. THE SENIOR BOWL THREAD #64325
znModeratorSENIOR BOWL PLAYERS TO WATCH: OFFENSE
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-senior-bowl-offense-preview/
Senior Bowl week has become the perfect buffer for the NFL between the Conference Championship games and the Super Bowl. Much of the league travels to Mobile, Ala., to get one last glimpse of game action for the nation’s top seniors before the workout portion of the draft process commences. At Pro Football Focus, we are once again proud to be heavily involved in the Senior Bowl’s evaluation process, also adding the same layer of detail to every practice rep that we apply to every play during the FBS season.
Here’s a look at the top offensive players to watch during Senior Bowl week.
Quarterback
Senior Bowl QBsIt may be an uninspiring group of quarterbacks on paper, but all of the participants have a prime opportunity to turn heads with a strong week of practice and good showing during game action. Pittsburgh QB Nate Peterman has some fans in the scouting community, but he’ll have to answer questions about Pitt’s offense, which was more about trickery rather than allowing Peterman to pick apart opposing defenses. His high percentage of big-time throws (6.9 percent) and turnover-worthy throws (4.6 percent) make for an intriguing boom-or-bust combination. Colorado’s Sefo Liufau has the best intermediate and deep accuracy numbers of the Senior Bowl quarterbacks, though he has some questions to answer about his work in the short game. Iowa’s C.J. Beathard took good care of the ball for the most part, and flashed strong downfield touch, but he had his struggles when facing pressure. Cal’s Davis Webb’s year was essentially split into two parts after he came out strong, but a hand injury contributed to an inconsistent effort in the second half. He has the arm to make special throws, it’s just a matter of tying up some decision-making issues. Josh Dobbs’ inconsistency was maddening for Tennessee fans, but he did an exceptional job this season making big plays under pressure, tying for the national lead with 12 touchdowns and ranking fourth with a passer rating of 105.4 when pressured. For Dobbs, it’s all about improving his accuracy at the short and intermediate levels, though he made strides in both areas this season.
Running back
Senior Bowl RBsToledo running back Kareem Hunt had the nation’s highest grade among running backs at 94.5 overall, using his quick-cutting ability and balance to force 76 missed tackles on the ground, second-highest in the nation. San Diego State’s Donnel Pumphrey broke former Wisconsin running back Ron Dayne’s all-time rushing record with his slippery style at 5-foot-9, 180-pounds. Pumphrey is out to prove that he’s more than just a change-of-pace back at the next level after forcing 73 missed tackles and averaging 3.5 yards after contact per rush. BYU’s Jamaal Williams broke out early in 2016, showing a good combination of speed and power and averaging 3.4 yards after contact per rush before an ankle injury slowed him down in the second half of the year.
Wide receiver
Senior Bowl WRsAll eyes will be on Eastern Washington’s Cooper Kupp, who dominated FCS competition and was similarly productive when playing FBS teams. He put up 206 yards and three scores to go with a gaudy 4.1 yards per route against Washington State early in the season. It was a breakout season for Syracuse WR Amba Etta-Tawo who took advantage of his transfer from Maryland to become a big-play threat in Syracuse’s vertical passing attack. He showed impressive downfield speed and ball skills, and he’s out to prove that he’s more than a one-year wonder. East Carolina’s Zay Jones put up a video-game like 160 catches and 1,805 yards, though seeing 46 more targets than any other receiver in the country certainly helped his cause. Two receivers with a chance to show off their downfield ball skills are Amara Darboh from Michigan and Josh Reynolds from Texas A&M, while Louisiana Tech’s Trent Taylor and North Carolina’s Ryan Switzer will show off their route-running that made both receivers so productive.
Tight ends/fullbacks
Senior Bowl TE and FBsTight end is one of the deepest positions in the draft, with Alabama’s O.J. Howard the headliner. He earned the nation’s top run-blocking grade, and Alabama fans have been begging to see more involvement from Howard in the passing game due to his good speed and receiving skills, which will be on display all week. Evan Engram of Ole Miss and Gerald Everett of South Alabama are both good receiving threats, perhaps better suited for work in the slot or on the move in H-back roles. Michael Roberts of Toledo is a big-bodied tight end who knows how to use it in the passing game; led the nation’s tight ends with his 16 touchdowns.
Offensive line
Senior Bowl Offensive LineThe 2017 offensive tackle class lacks headline names this cycle, but Western Kentucky’s Forrest Lamp has been a headliner at PFF for three years. He’s ranked among the top tackles in the nation every year since 2014, capping his career with a monster season that saw him allow only four total QB pressures while holding up better than any offensive tackle in the nation against Alabama’s defensive front. USC’s Zach Banner had his struggles early on, particularly against Alabama, but he settled down nicely to once again grade among the best right tackles in the country. Antonio Garcia of Troy is the other hot name to keep an eye on at tackle, and he backed up the hype in pass protection with only nine QB pressures allowed; however, Garcia had the worst ratio of positive to negative blocks in the run game among tackles at the Senior Bowl.
On the interior, Indiana’s Dan Feeney has produced three years of strong work in pass protection, allowing only 24 QB pressures on 1,217 attempts, which includes some time at right tackle. The center class is intriguing, as LSU’s Ethan Pocic can make the key blocks necessary in a zone-blocking scheme, while West Virginia’s Tyler Orlosky rarely loses in the run game.
znModeratorBtw in reference to the list from the last post, that is a crackerjack defensive coaching staff.
znModeratorUpdate 1/19 in red.
Update 1/21 in green.
Update 1/24 in orange.
Head Coach Sean McVay
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips
Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel
Secondary Aubrey Pleasant
Linebackers Joe Barry
Defensive Line Bill Johnson
Quarterbacks Greg Olson
Offensive Line Aaron Kromer (reportedly)
Wide Receivers
Tight Ends Wes Phillips (presumably)
Running Backs Skip Peete
znModeratorwho is this mysterious oc candidate?
You mean Kromer? There’s stuff on him in this thread (it’s all through the thread):
the “who are the coaches McVay is hiring” threadL http://theramshuddle.com/topic/the-who-are-the-coaches-mcvay-is-hiring-thread/
The original rumor was that he would be the OC but guess not.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:36 pm in reply to: ESPN: It might be time for the Rams to splurge on a #1 receiver #64318
znModeratorHis value was as the #2 TE…and he barely held up that end of the bargain.
No I see a lot more in Kendricks than that. He’s done a lot more than that. Being down on him is, IMO, just forgetting 2012-2015, when he was regularly a good blocking/catching H-back type. In fact more than once he was tops in catch percentage measured against all Rams WRs and TEs with more than 20 targets.
I never saw his receiving skills as subpar, and in fact I think for some reason he gets a bum rap from many Rams fans. He has been a solid role player and gives them a lot of versatility. I actually don’t get the animosity towards him. Granted he had a bad 2016 but I don’t see why that erases the previous years.
What he’s NOT is a top receiving TE–he’s something else, and should IMO be measured as something else.
znModeratorVery likely on Kromer as the OL coach. Not likely on Trestman as OC https://t.co/SFyDSV6Z5w
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) January 24, 2017
znModeratort what to make of Trump’s victory. Is it, in the main, a recrudescence of bigotry on American soil—a reactionary scream against a nation less white by the year? Or is it more properly understood as an economically grounded response to the privations that neoliberalism has wracked upon the heartland?
To me…clearly and obviously both.
And Trump is no solution to either thing, of course. He’s a worsening of both things.
znModeratorTheory.
January 24, 2017 at 9:48 pm in reply to: ESPN: It might be time for the Rams to splurge on a #1 receiver #64309
znModeratorHigbee needs to get stronger and learn better technique blocking…he was just manhandled at the line last year. Hemingway???? I don’t think I saw him in a game last year.
And they can always keep those 3 and add another.
IMO people are down on Kendricks from 2016, but, he had value in previous years.
znModeratorWade Phillips’ departure from Denver was amicable
Mike Florio
Wade Phillips’ departure from Denver was amicable
A draft analyst looking to pass along some of the scuttlebutt from the Senior Bowl got more than he bargained for on Monday, when Rams defensive coordinator Wade Phillips decided to fire back on Twitter at a report suggesting that Phillips was responsible for the rift between the Denver offense and defense in 2016.
“Your sources about me and dividing the team are an out and out lie,” Phillips said in response to the report. “I resent [you] saying that — ask any off coach or player.”
The forceful nature of Phillips’ reaction invited further digging. A source with knowledge of the situation said that there’s no truth to the notion that Phillips caused division within the team. He was, and still is, loved by the players.
While the source also said the split between the two sides was amicable, with Phillips wanting to move to L.A., where his daughter lives, there were other factors at play. Defensive backs coach Joe Woods was starting to become a hot name for potential defensive coordinator jobs; the Broncos didn’t want to lose him to another team. (Because Woods was still under contract, the Broncos could have blocked him. They believed the better course was to ensure he got his promotion without leaving.)
Also, money was an issue. Not this year, but a year ago. Phillips, per multiple sources, wanted to be the highest-paid defensive coordinator in the NFL after the Broncos won Super Bowl 50. The Broncos resisted, and Phillips entered his contract year with the intent of becoming a coaching free agent.
He did, and now he’s a member of the Rams. The Broncos in turn kept Woods, and both sides are pleased with the outcome.
znModeratorWell, i dont know how you can say there isn’t a ‘real difference.’
I said, “Obama is a mass-murderer”
And you replied:
“I think Obama continued some benighted pre-Obama policies both in the economy and in foreign policy. Of that there is no question.’I mean, to me, you dont see him as a ‘mass murderer’ and i do. I mean there must be a reason why you dont see his drone strikes as ‘murder’. Or else you’d call them ‘murder’. So, i assume you see it differently.
BUT, the major point to me, is Big Deal. I may come across as ‘testy’ but honestly this group is my favorite group on the internet. Always will be. I know we agree on all kinds of core, fundamental stuff. I never question that. I think sometimes you think that is being questioned or threatened. Not from me. I dont give a shit if you see Obama differently than me or if as you say its just a different language we use, etc. It doesnt change how i feel about you or this group of goofballs.
I always, always trust the bonds we have built up on this board. It never enters my mind to worry about that or question it. We’ve been together since 98. Thats longer than any relationship Ive ever had.
So, have some toast. Lightly toasted. With tea.
For the record, I have resented you ever since you tried to denigrate Vermeil in 98.
This aggression will not stand.
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znModeratorreiteration
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Rich Hammond @Rich_Hammond
Longtime NFL assistant Aaron Kromer on track to be Rams’ offensive line coach, as first noted by @TomPelissero. Not announced yet.
znModeratorIt looks like Krommer will be on the Rams staff. What position?
Looks like OL.
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Update 1/19 in red.
Update 1/21 in green.
Update 1/24 in orange.
Head Coach Sean McVay
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips
Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel
Secondary Aubrey Pleasant
Linebackers Joe Barry
Defensive Line Bill Johnson
Quarterbacks Greg Olson
Offensive Line Aaron Kromer (reportedly)
Wide Receivers
Tight Ends Wes Phillips (presumably)
Running Backs Skip Peete
January 24, 2017 at 1:11 pm in reply to: ESPN: It might be time for the Rams to splurge on a #1 receiver #64265
znModeratorA better offensive line will give Goff time to find one of our current group of receivers.
I don’t think it was just the OL. I think a lot of that was Goff. One illustration of that is the fact that the veteran CK had a lower sack percentage behind the same line.
A lot of it is recognizing blitzes etc. pre-snap and calling protections pre-snap.
The veteran CK was just better at that than the rookie Goff.
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znModeratorBut I don’t really think it answered its own title question.
But are there any Game of Thrones references?
That’s what I really wanted to know.
In other words, thanks for the synopsis.
znModeratorhttps://mobile.twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/823932521524166656
Aaron Kromer is here in Mobile with the #Rams contingent. He's going to be their offensive line coach.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 24, 2017
znModeratorYeah, see we disagree. So i wasn’t wrong. I said you would ‘resist’ saying Obama was a mass-murderer. And you just did that.
I’ve never said that about anyone. Certainly it would apply to Nixon and Reagan. I just don’t use the term.
And see I talk about alliances, and you play gotcha.

No I mean alliances here. Cause…fighting all the time would end up making me lose interest.
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Ok, but i dont think of it as “gotcha”. I think of it as pointing out real differences. But i also dont think its a big deal. I never question our ‘alliances’ here. Its never an issue for me. Its a ‘given’ we have those fundamental alliances.w
vBut you did not indicate to me a real difference. Which probably just means you have to say more. All I got so far is that you use more provocative, street-slogan language and I always tend to be more analytical and discursive. I am not sure that that isn’t just 2 different ways of talking about the same thing. Either way it’s not an open discussion of similarities and differences, it’s just both of us talking about how I use words, and not about the issues themselves.
znModeratorThat is why the working-class needs its own political organization, one that puts its interests first.
Same problem again. The way things are, we cannot assume that a working-class oriented party system would be progressive. The long history of the USA indicates that more often than not, when you go that direction, you end up with right-wing populism built around demonization of the wrong targets.
That’s not to be taken as being AGAINST such a party system. Nor is me saying that a defense of the status quo.
It’s just the obvious warning that that thing in itself is no automatic panacea.
znModeratorWhat did you get out of that? I don’t have time today to sit through it today but I am still very curious. So some thoughts would be appreciated. Not just you, anyone who did view it.
znModeratorYes–actually I give Bernie most of the credit for killing it. He made Clinton back off that in the primary. Obama gave up on it. You’re right–it was dead in the water.
Yes I agree, it;s not at all clear the TPP was going to stand no matter who was elected.
Yes Trump did the right thing but to me that’s not worth the cost of him being president, since no candidate was going to keep it anyway.
This minor disagreement with you has nothing to do with whether or not you have a right to make the argument you do. Of course you do. I don’t know where you’re getting that kind of resistance, but chock it up to volatile times.
I face similar stuff all the time. Among Trumpees I argue that their over the top Hillary demonizing does not stand up to rational scrutiny. (The point being to always defend rational scrutiny.) That causes war. Among Hillaryites I argue that she was a standard-issue neoliberal with the usual bad foreign policy ideas and her advantage was just being better than Trump on a long series of important domestic issues. This causes war. Among Bernie and Stein people who try to suggest Trump won’t be that bad compared to Hillary I argue that, absolutely, yes he will and if anything will he will be even worse than we anticipate. This doesn’t cause war so much as just tension.
We can’t be sensitive or defensive about stirring up volatility. It’s just going to happen no matter what. Better I think to smile at it and shrug. Sign of the times.
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znModeratorYeah, see we disagree. So i wasn’t wrong. I said you would ‘resist’ saying Obama was a mass-murderer. And you just did that.
I’ve never said that about anyone. Certainly it would apply to Nixon and Reagan. I just don’t use the term.
And see I talk about alliances, and you play gotcha.

No I mean alliances here. Cause…fighting all the time would end up making me lose interest.
znModeratorPutin made me post it.
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vI thought your post title said “Taoist news.”
I was looking forward to that. Hence was disappointed.
znModeratorAnd none of the following is accurate btw:
Where we are different is in things like … ‘Deep state’ stuff. Or if i were to say “Obama is a mass murderer” (which i believe) you’d probably resist that kind of language. So, ya know, blah blah blah…
And, it sure has gotten testy around here. I have been doing it too. What gives?
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So you think Obama is a mass-murderer?Its testy because the Trump vs Clinton thing exposed differences
among the leftists. No big thing. Just testiness.w
vI think Obama continued some benighted pre-Obama policies both in the economy and in foreign policy. Of that there is no question. But to me being an American means you have to be dialectical. Johnson got us into Vietnam but also pushed through civil rights. Dialectical to me also means at times you have to work at seeing through the dominant bs narratives, and at times you have to make a practical choice IF there is no other choice. Saving the world doesn’t require us to go crazy.
And remember, it’s about alliances. Always was.

znModeratorI’m not the least bit interested in debating whether Hillary was “extravagantly corrupt” or not. To me it would be like arguing about whether the rams “extravagantly sucked” this year — clearly they did, and clearly she is. You disagree. No problem. We see it differently. I dont intend to debate it.
But the difference is this. The Rams DID suck last year. And I see nothing indicating Clinton was extremely corrupt.
Over some things, it is not enough to say it’s a matter of perceptions. Cause sometimes, on some things, perceptions are wrong. Even if deeply believed.
In terms of core beliefs, yes, truth is, those are beyond debate. In terms of core beliefs, about all we can do is “vote”…and then respect the differences we can respect.
In terms of empirical statements about … say … degrees of corruption, yes they are open to scrutiny and issues of fact.
For example, is Trump corrupt? I take corrupt to mean that they sell out the office they occupy and the laws they are supposed to uphold in the name of direct financial gain. Like a judge taking bribes to decide cases a certain way. And the truth is I don’t see Trump as directly corrupt that way.
He’s a lot of OTHER things. But that’s just not one of them.
And none of the following is accurate btw:
Where we are different is in things like … ‘Deep state’ stuff. Or if i were to say “Obama is a mass murderer” (which i believe) you’d probably resist that kind of language. So, ya know, blah blah blah…
No you;re wrong about that, in fact.
My main thing in this sub-issue is to resist right-wing narratives. And here’s this entire article revealing some insights into how Trump backers think and why…and it ain’t purty…but, then, we end up with a difference over the empirical validity of statements about Clinton.
And, it sure has gotten testy around here. I have been doing it too. What gives?
znModeratorLots of dots to connect with Trestman/McVay.
These guys all have overlapping or connected histories.
Trestman was qb coach then OC under Gruden in Oakland from 2002. He then stayed on as the coordinator under Callahan. Of course, McVay knew Callahan in Washington. Sean wanted Callahan for the Rams but Washington blocked it.
Trestman was also previously the OC under Seifert in SF from 95-96. He has been a head coach (Chicago, 2013-14). He was the OC in Baltimore from 2015-6. Ironically, he was fired during the 2016 season after a loss to Washington, McVay’s team.
Kromer, whose name has also come up, was the OL coach under Gruden in Oakland, then under Callahan. He then went to be the OL coach in Tampa under Gruden. He was the OC under Trestman in Chicago.
The Rams kept Skip Peete as RB coach. He was with Gruden, Kromer, Callahan, and Trestman in Oakland. He was also with Trestman and Kromer in Chicago.
Maybe it’s getting down to Trestman OC (if he’s interested) and Kromer for OL coach.
Basically it’s a Gruden reunion.
znModerator“… I was amazed how even the most liberal students took for granted certain dubious narratives in which they (and much of the rest of the country) were marinated all year long, like the notion that Hillary Clinton was extravagantly corrupt…”
Well 2 can play that game.
How and in what way was HC “extravagantly corrupt”?
I have no particular emotions about her either way. I found her lacking in several policy areas. So voting for her was like voting for Obama. It was just the best the 1 1/2 party system could do. Though to be honest the reviling she attracted struck me as strange. It didn’t seem to involve anything real in any demonstrable way.
AND I always found the “extravagantly corrupt” routine just to be a right-wing narrative. Is there any good reason to doubt that?

So how is calling her “extravagantly corrupt” NOT a dubious narrative?
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znModeratorI saw he will be on Skip and Shannons Undisputed tomorrow morning.
And what is that? (The show.) Could you provide a link?
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znModeratorIf that’s the case…why the delay? It seemed like a no brainer they were waiting for a guy from one of the teams still playing.
This just seems a little strange to me.
i don’t know. Has any other team hired all its coaches? And, therefore, is this a delay? Or just the normal way things play out?
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