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znModeratorRams need?
To win.

Anyway I agree with the posts already written in this thread but just want to add that IMO so many different things went wrong last year that it is actually very difficult to tell, at least when it comes to the offense, where the Rams stand in terms of talent. They are young and went through a strange year, so it’s hard to say what they have. Are any of the young linemen redeemable? Are any of the young receivers viable? Is Gurley recoverable? Can Goff progress? It’s actually hard to answer any of that.
Plus they face a draft that is relatively deficient in their apparent areas of need on offense, but just overflowing with defensive talent. Because they franchised Tru, they also don’t have much in the way of resources for free agency, either.
Here’s an example of how messy all this is and hard to figure out, on offense. Last year behind the same line, Keenum operated with virtually half the sack percentage that Goff ended up getting. That looks to me like Keenum was handling protections and spotting blitzes pre-snap like a veteran and Goff wasn’t. Well how much of that was on the OL? How much of it was on Goff and can he get a better handle on that stuff. And given that kind of murkiness (though this is just one example), how close or how far are they on the OL to coming through finally and being stable? I have no idea.
So, I am confused. What the Rams need, then, is just to be far less confused about all this than I am.

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Just some interesting observations on the FA market this year & its relation to the draft
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Albert Breer
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/06/myles-garrett-combine-cleveland-browns-nfl-draft
I think I’ll repeat that offensive linemen figure to get paid on the open market this week—and the final effect could be that guards wind up paid like tackles. Why? The offensive line franchise tag number ($14.271 million) isn’t broken down by position, which means it’s based on what left tackles make. That, in turn, makes it tough to tag even a great guard.
And so premier guards can make it to the market. As of now, there are 14 linemen making eight figures per. Only three of them are guards. Add to all of this that the coming draft class of offensive linemen is weak, and Kevin Zeitler, Ron Leary and Larry Warford could join the group, or at least settle on the fringes of it.
I think the flip side is that the market at both corner and receiver—two spots where there’s relative strength (Alshon Jeffery, Brandon Marshall, Kenny Stills, DeSean Jackson at receiver; Bouye, Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick at CB)—could be adversely affected by the historic quality of the draft class at corner and strong depth of the class at receiver.
It’s not out of the question that Jeffery becomes the second- or third-highest-paid receiver in league history, and Bouye and Gilmore easily outdistance the deal Janoris Jenkins got last year. But there’ll be a number of would-be suitors who balk at the prices and sit tight until April, which is one reason why you shouldn’t panic if your team is strangely quiet in filling those needs this week.
znModeratorThis is my hope:
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/free-agent-top-100-salary-ranges/
24. WR Pierre Garcon (30) — $8.5-10.5 million/year – Run-after-catch specialist has become one of the NFL’s best route runners. Great hands: Has dropped only 8-of-330 targets (2.4%) over the last three years.
znModeratorTrumaine Johnson signs $16.7 million franchise tender
Michael David Smith
Trumaine Johnson signs $16.7 million franchise tender
Some players dislike the franchise tag, but Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson is just fine with making a guaranteed salary of $16.7 million this season.
Johnson has signed his one-year, $16.7 million franchise tender, Peter Schrager of NFL Network reports.
The $16.7 million Johnson is scheduled to make for 2017 would be the second-most of any cornerback in the NFL this year, behind only the $24 million Josh Norman will make in Washington this year between his salary and bonuses. It’s still possible that Johnson and the Rams could work out a long-term deal, but if not, Johnson is guaranteed that base salary, which works out to about $983,000 a week for all 17 weeks of the regular season.
The Rams took Johnson out of Montana with a third-round pick in the 2012 NFL draft. Last year in Los Angeles he started 14 games, and the team views him as an important part of what it hopes is building a winning team after many years of losing for the franchise.
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znModeratorsome big time athletes here. unreal.
and the rams need dbacks bad.
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2017 Draft deep
link: http://lombardiave.com/2017/02/13/green-bay-packers-2017-draft-deep/
This is a good year to need a new cornerback, edge rusher, running back, and tight end. Unlike in recent years, this draft class is loaded with talent at all four positions. Ten corners make Daniel Jeremiah’s top 50 prospects, which is incredible. We may see players worthy of first-round selection fall into the second and even third round.
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2017 NFL Draft: Grading each position group
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/1/17/14287666/2017-nfl-draft-grading-each-position-group
Cornerback: A+
The 2017 class may not have a top-five overall corner, but is absolutely loaded with future stars. A many as ten corners go be taken in the first round, and possibly twenty-plus before Day 3. Size, speed, coverage ability and ball skills abound.Safety: A+
Another loaded position, at least three safeties should go in the first round. As many as five strong safeties could be chosen before Day 3, but what really makes this safety group special is excellent depth from top to bottom and an abundance of natural free safeties. Headed by Malik Hooker, 2017 includes more than a few centerfielder types, which has been an elusive position lately.—
The three best position groups in the 2017 NFL Draft
link: http://www.endzonescore.com/best-position-groups-2017-nfl-draft/55419
1) Defensive backs
Both the safety and the cornerback class are incredibly deep this year.
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Which position in 2017 NFL Draft is the deepest?
Daniel Jeremiah
Executive 2: Safety
“Overall, this is the best group of DBs we’ve had in several years. Specifically, I love the safety depth. I keep watching one good player after another.Executive 3: Cornerback
“This draft is loaded with corners. There are some elite guys at the top of the draft, but I think there are some excellent value guys in the middle rounds and a bunch of sleepers I really like on Day 3Executive 4: Cornerback
“I think it’s a very deep draft at several positions, but cornerback is the deepest…. I think we could see 20 of them go off the board in the top 100 picks.”Executive 5: Cornerback
“I love the corners in this draft. I think every team has them in a different order and I’m fascinated to see how they come off the board.”—
2017 Draft Defined By Depth
As the NFL fully transitions into scouting mode, here’s a look at some central themes to the prospects, from the position of strength to one glaring weakness.
by Albert Breer
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/10/nfl-draft-depth-talent-prospects-notebook
• The strength of the class is in the secondary and at running back. If you need a top-shelf defensive back, you can find one in April.
znModeratoralyoshamucci wrote this:
It’s a great draft. It’s definitely missing some components … but overall there are probably 300-350 players who have a legit shot and close to 60 high impact players with pro bowlers on the DE and DB front.
znModeratorRams’ free-agency foray likely to target receivers and offensive linemen
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-free-agency-20170305-story.html
The Rams mollified the fan base last week by unveiling a retro-style home uniform.
There won’t be many cheers at the Coliseum next season if they don’t upgrade the players who will be wearing them.
Especially receivers and offensive linemen.
Those are expected to be the Rams’ main areas of focus this week when NFL free agency begins.
The Rams must find players to complement and protect quarterback Jared Goff, the No. 1 pick in last year’s draft, and improve what has ranked as the NFL’s worst offense for two consecutive seasons.
“There’s a lot of things that we’re looking to do moving forward where it’s figuring out what do our players do best?” Coach Sean McVay said. “And then there’s also going to players we’ll acquire in free agency and the draft that are going to try to help that process of becoming a good offense.”
The Rams last August signed receiver Tavon Austin to a four-year $42-million extension. They are expected to let Kenny Britt, who had a 1,000-yard season in 2016, sign with another team.
General Manager Les Snead said the Rams have studied available receivers for McVay’s offense.
“We’re confident that we know that market and who, in that market, fits Sean the most,” Snead said, adding, “We’re confident we’re prepared to test that market, and that we’re prepared to test the market in the draft as well.
“We know we want to get better on offense, that includes wide receivers and other positions as well.”
The NFL set the 2017 salary cap at $167 million. That Rams have about $40 million in cap space, but nearly $17 million is expected to go to cornerback Trumaine Johnson if he signs a one-year franchise tender.
On Tuesday, the 48-hour period known as the “legal tampering” begins. Representatives for free agents can negotiate with teams but not sign contracts. Players can start signing contracts Thursday.
Britt is among eight Rams player who will be unrestricted free agents, including safety T.J. McDonald.
“It’s a big-picture map,” Snead said. “Where does T.J. fit? Do you need something else instead of him? Things like that. That’s what we’re working through now.”
Here is a look at some of the players might be considering as free agents:
Receivers
Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Brandon Marshall and Terrelle Pryor are among the marquee names available, but the Rams are not likely to go that route.
Jackson and Pierre Garcon thrived last season with McVay as the Washington Redskins’ offensive coordinator. Jackson played at Long Beach Poly High, but a homecoming is not expected because Austin is already in place as a player that could potentially fill that role. Garcon, however, could be the Rams’ main target after catching 79 passes for 1,041 yards and three touchdowns last season.
Former USC receiver Robert Woods, who played his first four NFL seasons with the Buffalo Bills, is among other receivers on the market.
Offensive linemen
The Rams won’t make a determination about tackle Greg Robinson’s status until offensive line coach Aaron Kromer works with him during organized-team activities during spring.
So the most pressing issue is finding a center who can help protect Goff, who was sacked 26 times in seven games.
Veteran Nick Mangold has the resume, but at 33 probably not the health. Green Bay’s JC Tretter, at 26, could grow with Goff. Cincinnati’s Andrew Whitworth, Baltimore’ s Ricky Wagner, Detroit’s Riley Reiff and Minnesota’s Matt Kalil, who played at USC, are among available tackles. Cincinnati’s Kevin Zeitler, Green Bay’s T.J. Lang and Dallas’ Ronald Leary are among available guards.
Tight ends
Veteran Lance Kendricks and second-year pros Tyler Higbee and Temarrick Hemingway are on the roster. The Rams recently signed 6-foot-7 Travis Wilson, a former Utah quarterback, as a tight end.
Martellus Bennett, who helped the New England Patriots win a Super Bowl title, is among the free-agent tight ends. Indianapolis’ Jack Doyle, former Ram Jared Cook and Miami’s Dion Sims are among others available.
Linebackers
The Rams are switching from a 4-3 to 3-4 under new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips. That is not as drastic as it appears because in the pass-happy NFL defenses are often in five-defensive- back alignments.
Still, the Rams are thin at linebacker. Alec Ogletree and Mark Barron are expected to fill roles on the inside so the free-agent search will be focused on players who can play outside and rush.
Green Bay’s Nick Perry, Houston’s John Simon and Denver’s DeMarcus Ware are among the outside linebackers about to hit the market. Ware, 34, played for Phillips in Dallas and Denver.
Cornerbacks
With nearly $17 million earmarked for Johnson, the Rams are not expected to spend heavily, or perhaps at all, for another free-agent cornerback.
And this is a draft deep in cornerbacks.
So free agents such as Houston’s A.J. Bouye, Buffalo’s Stephon Gilmore and New England’s Logan Ryan are most likely not in the mix with the Rams.
Safeties
With Phillips having assessed the roster, and the inability of teams to get onto the field with their players until April, this will be interesting to watch.
If the Rams let McDonald sign elsewhere, are they prepared to go into the season with Maurice Alexander and Cody Davis as the top safeties?
Arizona’s Tony Jefferson is probably too expensive for the Rams, but perhaps they will take a look at players such as Arizona’s D.J. Swearinger, Jacksonville’s Johnathan Cyprien or Dallas’ Barry Church.
More likely, they will look to the draft.
znModeratorrams have needs at secondary, but they also need to bolster the pass rush and run defense in my opinion. there are plenty of athletes here to choose from.
i’d almost rather they go all in on defense this draft.
bolster the offensive line through some cheap fa additions. and address wide receiver by making one big signing – say a pierre garcon. if they could somehow pull off a trade for brandin cooks – even better. and then develop what they have. they have some talent on offense – they’re just young. guys like cooper and higbee and hemingway and spruce. they’re young. can’t give up on them.
but make this defense even better than it was last year. this is the year to do it. they cannot fall into the trap of just drafting offense for the sake of drafting offense.
They could get an OLB/edge rusher, a CB, a FS, a DE, and a WR …all in rounds 2-5.
March 5, 2017 at 2:33 pm in reply to: Is there a left-neoliberalism and a right-neoliberalism? #65912
znModeratorFoucault sort of marks the beginning of neoliberalism in Europe with the horror at what the Nazi state did and the recognition that you can legitimize the state in a much more satisfactory manner by making it the guardian of competitive markets rather than the guardian of the German volk.
I don’t recognize anything even vaguely related to Foucault in that statement. Unless it’s a different Foucault.
March 5, 2017 at 1:53 pm in reply to: the 2017 uni (whole thing) (still some gold on the jersey) #65910
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from “Talking Helmets with the Equipment Manager” [2007]
http://www.helmethut.com/Talkhelmet/TalkHewitt.html
why did the Rams change from blue and yellow to blue and white in 1964, which they wore for 9 years, until 1972?
TH – Kind of a funny story. Before the change the Rams often wore yellow home jerseys which, as it turned out, didn’t look particularly good on black and white TV, a consideration that became increasingly important at the time. So the Rams experimented with different shades of yellow until they found one that actually showed up well on TV. The problem was the shade of the yellow that worked well for TV was called “buttercup yellow”. When Mr. Reeves (Dan Reeves, Rams owner 1941-1971) found out about this, he said that there was no way his team would ever wear a color called “buttercup yellow”. Also, the yellow horns on the Rams helmet at the time didn’t show up very well on TV either. So Mr. Reeves decided to remove yellow from the uniforms altogether, opting for a simple blue and white, which as it turned out looked great on black and white TV.
HH – Keeping with the Rams blue and white uniform era, I always wondered why the Rams rarely wore their navy jerseys when playing at home during that time, much like the Dallas Cowboys do today. Did the Rams do this because the white jerseys offered relief when playing under the hot Southern California Sun, was it a strategic advantage decision?
TH – Another interesting story. Actually there were years during the blue and white era when the Rams never wore their navy jerseys at all, not during the preseason or the regular season. Also, it had nothing to do with combating the Southern California sun. In fact a lot of those home games we played were quite cool, especially since we played a lot of night games at home. Wearing white jerseys at home was the brainchild of Mr. Reeves, an extremely smart owner and businessman with a talent for promotion. He felt that if the Rams wore their white jerseys at home it would make for a better game day experience for Rams fans by giving them a chance to see the colorful jerseys of visiting teams, which most Rams fans would not otherwise get a chance to see. So rather than Rams fans seeing the same thing each and every week, which would be the Rams always in navy and the visiting teams always in white, Rams fans instead got to see different colors each week. And Rams fans loved it, it was a smart decision by Mr. Reeves.
HH – Why did the Rams change back to blue and yellow uniforms in 1973, after wearing blue and white uniforms for 9 years (1964-1972)?
TH – This was Mr. Rosenbloom’s (Caroll Rosenbloom, Rams owner 1972-1979) idea, something he decided to do when he took over as the Rams owner in 1972. He felt the blue and white uniforms were somewhat bland and wanted a uniform look that better reflected the glitz of Hollywood. Horns were added to the jerseys, at the shoulder area, and we went to white shoes and blue shoes. The new jersey numbers were also pretty snazzy, they had a white trim. But we quickly discovered that the white trim made the numbers very tough to differentiate on TV so they were scrapped after the 1973 preseason.
HH – So many teams have gone through different helmet designs over the years, not only color but logos as well. Have the Rams ever considered doing away with their helmet horns in favor of another logo?
TH – Never. Not once. The Rams have always been very proud of the horns on their helmet and fully understand how iconic they are and what they represent in terms of NFL history. The Rams helmet horns were so important to the Rams that, unlike many other teams, the Rams have always ensured that they were always applied to the helmets even for scrimmages, mini-camps, camps and practices. You won’t see a Rams player wearing a Rams helmet without horns
znModeratorBengals defensive coordinator likes the draft’s pass-rush group
Zac Jackson
http://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,542816,542816#msg-542816
Like a lot of teams, the Bengals figure to be in the pass rush business in this year’s draft. Bengals Defensive Coordinator Paul Guenther likes what he’s seen of the group at this early point of the draft process.
“It’s as good a pass rusher draft that I can remember,” Guenther told the team’s official website. “As far as inside guys, outside guys, linebackers, where guys are well schooled with moves and hands.
“You’re just looking for guys that have the traits you’re looking for. You’re looking for guys with a long reach, but they also have to have the quickness and burst, too. [There aren’t] many 6-foot-5, 6-foot-6 defensive ends that can play at a high level. They wouldn’t get to us at [the No. 9 overall pick].”
The Bengals could go a number of different directions with that No. 9 pick, including somewhere on the offensive side of the ball. If they go defense — something for which Guenther will certainly campaign — he said he believes the Bengals could add a quality player at every level of their defense.
“There’s going to be a good player there at No. 9,” Guenther said. “At the top end of the draft there are a lot of very good defensive players. It’s not like one, two, three and then it falls off the shelf.”
znModeratorHow about the 5 foot spiders roming around the jungles of Congo? Deep in the jungles though.
I doubt it. It’s like the so-called “Patient Longterm Rams Fan.” Just the stuff of legend, I think.
znModeratorCOVERAGE OF BOTH RAMS & CHARGERS
NFL teams must plan for ‘dearth’ of offensive line prospects
Jack Wang
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170303/nfl-teams-must-plan-for-dearth-of-offensive-line-prospects
INDIANAPOLIS >> Antonio Garcia was greeted by a table full of playing cards.
The former Troy offensive tackle was about to talk to an NFL team, but this one had prepared something for him. After he glanced down, the cards were flipped over. A memory test — he was told to recite the numbers.
“They said I got the highest score in two days,” Garcia said, “so I’m pretty proud of that.”
Anything that helps. Garcia is one of nearly four dozen offensive linemen at this week’s NFL Scouting Combine, a group that — as a whole — isn’t highly regarded. Earlier this week, NFL Network analyst said that offensive tackle “is one of the few groups that isn’t really strong this year.” Seahawks general manager John Schneider described it as “a dearth at the position.”
Even offensive tackle Roderick Johnson, who earned All-American honors in his junior year at Florida State, said the perceived weakness of his position group was “a little factor” in his decision to leave early.
This presents a tricky scenario for teams who could use an upgrade to their offensive lines — such as the two in Los Angeles.
The Rams allowed Jared Goff to take 26 sacks in just seven appearances, including seven in his last game. The Chargers could elect to replace either left tackle King Dunlap — an aging lineman who was arrested two weeks ago — or guard D.J. Fluker, who is due more than $8 million in 2017. (On Thursday, head coach Anthony Lynn spoke positively about Dunlap, and said he did not want to “make any judgments on him” before his legal proceedings are resolved.)
Neither is in ideal position to select premier talents up front. The Rams don’t have any picks among the top 36 selections, and only hold two in the top 111. The Chargers will draft No. 7 overall — which is likely too high to take an offensive lineman this year.
Trying to pick out talent in the middle to late rounds might also be challenging, with supply and demand inflating the value of even lesser-known names. Garcia may have played in the Sun Belt Conference, but that makes him exactly the type of player who could more dramatically improve his stock at the combine and at his own pro day. In Indianapolis, he recorded a 31-inch vertical, second-best among offensive linemen — and 2.5 inches more than running back Leonard Fournette.
“In a normal year, he’d probably be a third-round pick at best,” Mayock said of Garcia. “He’s a really gifted, athletic kid. But this year he’s going to be bumped up into the second round, and who knows from there?”
Even some of the top prospects have question marks. Cam Robinson, who started at left tackle at Alabama and won the Outland Trophy, could be asked to switch to right tackle or guard as a pro. Mayock’s top two offensive tackle prospects are Wisconsin’s Ryan Ramczyk and Utah’s Garett Bolles — both of whom only started one year of major college football.
“I think that’s a positive thing for me, because that’s just less wear and tear on my body,” said Bolles, a 24-year-old who began his football career at Snow College “I’ve never been cut open, I’ve never had a surgery, I’ve never had a major injury.
“You’ve got to knock on wood because football is rough game. But I’m here to compete.”
znModeratorMcVay reflects on flashes of talent from Goff
Los Angeles Rams head coach Sean McVay sits down for an interview as he gears up for his first season with the Rams.
znModeratorhttp://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/la/los-angeles-rams
Alden Gonzalez
ESPN Staff WriterRams GM Les Snead recently set up a workout with Jared Goff and a couple of draft-eligible receivers, Washington’s John Ross, who just ran a record 4.22 40, and USC’s JuJu Smith-Schuster. Smith-Schuster on Friday, per ESPN’s Michael DiRocco: “I thought Jared Goff was an outstanding quarterback. Just did one-on-one; the way he approaches the game, and how we were just talking ‘ball and life off the field. My meeting with them (the Rams) was great.”
znModeratorRams ready to sort through bevy of receivers at combine
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-745690-one-receiver.htmlINDIANAPOLIS – The wide receivers finally made it to Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday for their on-field workouts at the NFL Scouting Combine. All 58 of them, which is an extraordinary amount of prospects and typifies the heavy emphasis these days on throwing the ball.
Inside the stadium, the Rams scouting and coaching contingency watched intently, wide receiver being such a significant need and, based on how many of them the Rams requested formal interviews with and reach out to informally, this week a particular point of focus this week.
And not just here, either.
The opening of free agency on Monday is expected to offer a slew of interesting possibilities, and the Rams appear poised to be active as new head coach Sean McVay begins building the offense to his specifications.
“We’re confident that we know that market and who, in that market, fits Sean the most,” said Rams general manager Les Snead.
Depending on how aggressive they are next week – and there are strong indications they’ll at least kick the tires on a group that should include Washington’s DeSean Jackson, Cleveland’s Terrelle Pryor, Chicago’s Alshon Jeffery, Washington’s Pierre Garcon – the Rams’ receiver need might not be as compelling as it is right now.
Nevertheless, the Rams at their core are a draft and development organization, so ideally some long-range answers to a position that’s befuddled them for years were on the field Saturday.
Armed with the 37th overall pick in next month’s draft – and eight picks total across the second and seventh rounds – good chance one or two of them might be getting a call from McVay and Snead eventually.
Their draft position eliminates them from consideration for the top prospects – Clemson’s Mike Williams, Western Michigan’s Corey Davis and Washington’s Johnson Ross – but they’re well situated to tap into the next wave. And history shows impact receivers can be found beyond the first round.
With that in mind, here are some wide receivers who should be available when the Rams make their first pick.
JUJU SMITH SCHUSTER, USC, 6-2, 220, 2016 stats: 13 games, 70 catches, 914 yards, 10 TDs: There’s been a lot of talk at the combine that Smith-Schuster profiles as an Anquan Boldin type receiver, which makes a lot of sense. Like Boldin, Smith-Schuster isn’t a blazer, but he’s a big, physical, competitive receiver adept at route running and using his body to create an advantage in one-on-one battles. With the ball in his hands, he’s a punishing runner and isn’t afraid to use his size and strength as a weapon.
“Yeah, definitely. Anquan Boldin,” Smith-Schuster concurred. “His speed, at the same time the way he plays, the way he approaches the game, basically the overall how he plays his game and how tough he is. I kind of see myself the same way.”
COOPER KUPP, EASTERN WASHINGTON, 6-2, 205, 2016 Stats: 13 games 117 catches, 1,700 yards 17 TDs: Kupp disappointed a bit with his 4.62 and 4.66 40 times Saturday, but in a roundabout way that might actually help the Rams as it may eliminate Kupp from consideration as a first-round pick.
It shouldn’t, as Kupp’s productivity, natural hands, and ability to expertly slay every route on the route tree and operate against man or zone coverage makes him a first-round talent.
But in the finite world of stacking a draft board, Kupp might get docked for not delivering a sub 4.6 40.
Nevertheless, he’ll go off the board by the middle of the second round – at the latest – and he was one of the handful of receivers the Rams officially sat down with in Indiana.
“I believe in the receiver that I am, I believe in what I bring to a team,” Kupp said. “I think it’ something that no one else brings, the reliability, the versatility, someone who is going to be productive play in and play out.”
JOSH REYNOLDS, TEXAS A&M, 6-4, 194, 2016 Stats: 13 games, 61 catches 1,039 yards, 12 TDs: The Rams have a glaring need for big, reliable targets that can stretch the field, and Reynolds fits that bill. He isn’t the most physical receiver, and defensive backs will try to body him up to take advantage of his slender build. But he’s an explosive athlete that can gallop past defenders vertically – while possessing tremendous hand eye coordination and ball-catching skills – and can out-jump them on contested balls.
CHAD HANSEN, CAL, 6-2, 205, 2016 Stats: 10 games, 92 catches, 1,249 yards, 11 TDs: A former walk-on at Cal after spending one season at Idaho State, Hansen exploded onto the scene in 2016 with a monster year that transformed him from nobody to one of the most intriguing receivers in the draft. Watching him play, you’re instantly drawn to the explosive speed that allows him to burst past defenders, his ability to go up and get balls, but also work the sidelines with his footwork. He’ll get dinged for the elementary route running he was asked to do in Cal’s system, but he’s a willing learner and coachable, so he should seamlessly pick up the more nuanced NFL route tree.
“A lot of people think I’m a product of (Cal’s) offense but I don’t see it like that,” Hansen said. “I see myself as a complete receiver and someone that’s going to be able to translate to the NFL and be successful at that level.”
znModeratorEven then that would make Pence the president. That’s not much better. Unless Pence is implicated. If so that would make Paul Ryan the next in line, and he is unlikely to be implicated in this.
March 4, 2017 at 11:24 pm in reply to: Goff getting outside coaching help + other things Goff #65881
znModeratorMcVay Developing Improvement Plan for Goff
Myles Simmons
INDIANAPOLIS — A year ago, Jared Goff was in the same position as this year’s incoming corp of quarterbacks on Saturday — performing on-field drills at the NFL Combine to impress the league’s many decision-makers.
Now, Goff has seven games of NFL experience under his belt and has been working with noted private instructor, Tom House, to improve before the Rams’ offseason program begins in April. At the same time, Goff’s new head coach, Sean McVay, is putting together a plan to further his development.
“One of the things you appreciate about Jared is he’s going about it in a way that he is working with Tom House and those guys, who have a lot of respect in terms of fundamentals, the technique of the position,” McVay said on Thursday. “Once we get Jared in the building it’s going to be about teaching him our system, seeing how he processes things, how he’s able to handle the above-the-neck information and then be able to translate it to the grass once we get out on the field in Phase 2 in the OTAs.”
Goff had his share of struggles in the 2016 season, completing 54.6 percent of his passes for 1,089 yards with five touchdowns and seven interceptions. While there were myriad factors, some of Goff’s performance may be attributed to the significant adjustment from his Cal’s system to the 2016 Rams offense.
“When you do go from Bear Raid, spread — whatever you want to call it — it is different than what we normally do at this level and that’s just going to take re-wiring your central nervous system,” general manager Les Snead said on Thursday. “A lot of times, you’re going from two ski’s to snowboarding. You’re going to be able to snowboard at some point, but the first time you go down that mountain it’s going to be a little different. Last year was the first step in that.”
Realistically, that is becoming a more pressing issue throughout the league, as college and professional offenses evolve in somewhat diverging ways.
“One of the things that’s interesting when you really watch a lot of the college tape is these guys are almost exclusively in the shotgun,” McVay said. “Some of the pass concepts are kind of one-to-two reads where it might not be pure progression. And when you want to try to evaluate these guys, playing underneath the center, with the play-action game with the five- and seven-step drop where it might be dispersing the field or certain coverage reads, it is a little bit tougher to project.”
“I think it’s going to take patience with QB’s, but also wide receivers, even offensive linemen, and even running backs,” Snead said. “Because now you’ve got running backs lining up beside the QB and they run sideways, whereas in the NFL a lot of times they’re behind the QB running north and south. It’s seeping over to the defense too. We’re going to have to be more patient with these young kids coming out.”
These issues make it that much more important to surround a young quarterback with strong instructors. To that end, all of McVay, offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson have plenty of experience developing quarterbacks.
Asked specifically about Olson this week, McVay called it “extremely important” to get him on staff in L.A.
“I think he’s a great communicator. Great teacher,” McVay said of Olson. “Really does a great job developing those relationships with the players that he’s been around. And he’s called plays for a long time. He’s called plays longer than I have. And he’s going to be a great resource and a mentor and that I’ll be able to go to for guidance.”
If there’s a frustrating element to creating Goff’s improvement plan, it’s that players can’t receive coaching from the new staff until the offseason program begins. That comes from the rules and regulations of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, enacted in 2011. Because of that, any interaction between McVay and Goff is essentially limited to conversational pleasantries until early April.
“Especially with that quarterback position, with how much there’s a mental approach, being able to learn new information — how am I going to be able to communicate play-calls in the huddle — there’s a lot of things that need to be done in a short amount of time,” McVay said. “That’s why it’s going to be very important for us to maximize that when we are able to get those guys in the building.”
Still, McVay has been encouraged from what he’s learned about Goff through his evaluations so far, saying he does see some similar traits between last year’s first-round pick and Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins.
“When you really look at some of the things that allowed us to have success in Washington, I think it was getting a bunch of different guys involved — using the width and the depth of the field in the pass game to make the defense defend every blade of grass,” McVay said. “And I think there are some things when you try to look at a quarterback, what you value, both of those guys possess those skills and traits.”
“And that’s why you’re interested and intrigued to get Jared in the building,” he continued. “How is he going to process our offense? How does he handle the verbiage — being able to communicate in the huddle and kind of command that huddle and that respect of his teammates? But just from a natural thrower, the toughness, some of those things that we really value — you definitely see that in both of those guys.”
And so while Goff’s development will be a process, it’s one that is already being meticulously planned out in order to give him the best chance for success both in 2017 and beyond.
“It’s a day-by-day process, like we talked about, and you see the traits, you see the characteristics,” McVay said. “But [we’re] very excited about Jared and some of the things we’ve seen on tape from him.”
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Offensive line coach Aaron Kromer talks about what he looks for when building an offensive line, particularly at the NFL Combine.
znModeratorLa Canfora: Too Much To Overcome For 49ers To Trade For Cousins
Jason La Canfora
The San Francisco 49ers do not have a quarterback. Colin Kaepernick has opted out of his contract, and Kyle Shanahan has to find a replacement. He can look to the draft. He can look for a trade. In a perfect world, he would acquire Kirk Cousins.
That, however, presents many challenges.
“Look, Kyle Shanahan really, really likes Cousins,” CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora said on CBS Sports Radio’s Gio and Jones. “He and his daddy drafted him, and they quickly felt like he was a better option than RG3. They championed him, they continued to watch him closely and they believe he’s an upper-echelon quarterback. Kyle Shanahan would have no problem paying Kirk Cousins what he’s going to get, which is going to be close to $25 million a year.
“The problem for them is they have so many holes,” La Canfora continued. “The offensive line, I suppose, is a discernible strength. There isn’t another position group on that roster that is. They have so much they need to address, and they know that just having a quarterback isn’t going to be a solution where we maybe have the worst roster in the league.”
The 49ers have fallen off the proverbial cliff in recent years. After going 36-11-1 and reaching at least the NFC Championship every season from 2011-13, the 49ers have gone from 8-8 to 5-11 to 2-14 and now have their fourth head coach in as many seasons.
There are a lot of holes to plug, and quarterback is certainly one of them. In fact, it might be the biggest hole to plug. But is it worth plugging that hole when, if you do, you won’t be able to plug any others?
“We’re picking really, really high this year, and we’ll probably be picking really high at least next year,” La Canfora said, explaining the 49ers’ mindset. “Do we really want to give up two first-round picks for the quarterback and then pay the quarterback $25 million a year and still have literally nobody on offense except for maybe a running back to help him out? And we still need to completely rebuild our secondary. And we probably still need multiple linebackers, even though two or three years ago we would have said linebacker is the biggest strength on the roster.
“Boy, there’s so much to overcome,” La Canfora continued. “I just don’t now that at the end of the day, for how far they are from a personnel standpoint, that trading three or four draft picks and having the highest-paid quarterback in the league makes sense to them.”
znModeratorI don’t get the thought of moving GRob to possibly RT…what do they do with Hav then? Move him inside? Personally I think GRob would be better than Hav at Guard and Hav would be better than GRob at RT.
If they do go O-line, and I;m gonna include TE because they are on the line too, I like Elfein, Engram, and Lamp…probably in that order.
As always this is subject to change.
Yeah that view in that article is a little “outsider superficial.”
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znModeratorRams Leaning OL in Round 2, WR in Round 3
Charlie Campbell.
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill
In many recent years, the Rams were a power player in the NFL Draft, as they had a boat load of picks from their 2012 trade with the Redskins. Last year, the Rams went the opposite direction, giving up a huge haul to move from 15th to first overall in order to select quarterback Jared Goff. The 2016 season was ugly as Goff played horribly behind a weak offensive line and a receiving corps that lacked talent. Los Angeles changed out its coaching staff, but the roster weaknesses remain. Los Angeles is without its first-round pick, and one of its third-round choices went to the Titans, so the Rams are lacking resources to improve. In speaking with sources with the Rams, upgrading the offensive line and wide receivers are the goals for the offseason and 2017 NFL Draft.
Between the offensive line and wide receivers, it sounds like the line is the priority in the second round. The Rams selected left tackle Greg Robinson with the second-overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, and Robinson has been a massive disappointment. He is approaching bust category and could be moved to guard or right tackle if the Rams are able to land an upgrade at left tackle. Utah tackle Garett Bolles could be an option if he slips to the second round. Western Kentucky guard Forrest Lamp is another blocker who could land in Los Angeles. The offensive line prospects are less talented than the wide receivers – check out our 2017 NFL Draft Offensive Tackle Rankings – and the Rams could land a quality wide receiver in the third round.
The Rams put a ton of resources into Goff, so the organization hierarchy of Les Snead and Kevin Demoff needs Goff to show significant improvement in 2016. Giving him better blocking and more receiving talent could improve the chances of Goff making a big jump in year two.
March 4, 2017 at 5:16 pm in reply to: the 2017 uni (whole thing) (still some gold on the jersey) #65860
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Crazylegs did this:
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znModeratorParades should always be about Class.
Geese parades are just a diversion.
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Note the nice black, red, n gold uniforms.
(Though I get some are objecting to the gold on the uniform.)
Anyway I think you just have a thing about human/goose diversity.
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znModeratorI don’t think Bonsignore has any idea how much talent is or isn;t already on the offensive roster.
The coaches are still learning themselves.
But Bonsignore seems to talk like there’s none at all.
I personally don’t buy that.
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znModeratorRams to put emphasis on fixing offense through free agency, draft
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-745521-mcvay-offensive.html
INDIANAPOLIS – Like the super smart kid in class who teachers sometimes neglect in order to tend to their less-gifted students, new Rams defensive coordinator Wade Phillips is probably feeling a bit overlooked these days.
It’s one of the double-edged swords of taking over a unit that, frankly, is already playoff caliber
Especially when the group it has been lining up against every day in practice is, well, challenged.
As the Rams work through free agency and draft preparations – including this week in Indianapolis at the NFL draft combine – so much of the focus and talk and concentration is on lifting an offense that ranks dead last in nearly every category that Phillips sometimes feels invisible.
To the point of speaking up.
“And as any good coach will do, (he’ll say) ‘Hey, don’t forget about us over here. We’re playing defense too,’” is how Rams general manager Les Snead put it.
Good luck with all that, Wade.
No matter how many times he raises his hand or jumps up and down or tries to bring attention to himself, the Rams need to ignore him as much as possible.
Nothing personal, good sir.
The Rams won’t completely shun Phillips this offseason – the change to his 3-4 scheme preference creates a natural need for specific additions – but let’s not get things twisted.
They arrived here in Indianapolis with a particular game plan. And it’s one they’ll carry into free agency next week and the draft seven weeks later in Philadelphia.
It’s time to pull the offense into the 21st century, once and for all.
That was the driving force behind firing Jeff Fisher last November.
And it was the motivation in identifying the offensive minded Sean McVay as Fisher’s replacement, and then locking him up almost immediately after first meeting with him.
“We’ve got to improve the offense,” Snead said, rather obviously.
Step one in that direction was taken care of when they hired McVay, a 30-year-old ball of energy and enthusiasm who spent the last three years as Washington’s offensive coordinator and whose entire coaching roots are planted exclusively on that side of the ball.
Step two was McVay hiring an offensive staff heavy on quarterback development experience and with strong backgrounds in designing offenses.
That includes new offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur, quarterback coach Greg Olson and offensive line coach Aaron Kromer.
Along with McVay, they’ll form a virtual offensive think tank
Now comes the really fun part.
And probably the hardest.
It’s time to find the necessary talent to carry out McVay’s vision.
Which, at the risk of putting poor Wade Phillips on mute for now, means the Rams focusing almost entirely on offense this offseason.
The needs are too vast.
Like capable blockers to protect second-year quarterback Jared Goff.
And perimeter skill players to surround Goff with, preferably ones who strike fear in the hearts of opposing defenses and, as absurd as it might sound, can be counted on to run precise routes and hold onto the ball when targeted.
Maybe the fresh breath of offensive air McVay will blow on the Rams will transform previously ineffective players into assets.
Certainly Goff will make the natural progression in his second year. And third-year running back Todd Gurley is much too talented to suffer through another season like the last. The offensive line still tilts to the young side, so upside remains.
But across the rest of the board, improvement will require bringing in better players.
And that process begins now.
After spending the last month taking a deep dive into the Rams present roster – deciding who fits and who doesn’t – and talking through philosophies, preferable scheme fits and desired skill sets, Snead and McVay and their staffs now get a chance to put potential replacements to all those theories and prototypes they’ve been talking about.
“That’s why it’s been beneficial to have Les be able to kind of give me a jump start on, what are our needs?” McVay said. “And then is this something we feel we might be able to address in the draft or in free agency? Because just like in both, there are certain positions where there’s a little more depth in free agency. Certain positions where there’s a little more depth in the draft. And being able to use those two ways of acquiring players to improve is going to be really important for us.”
The Rams won’t find all their answers in Indianapolis, where more than 300 of the best college football prospects are gathered, a handful of whom will soon find their way to Los Angeles.
Nor will all their problems get fixed in free agency, which opens next week and offers a group of serviceable offensive lineman and wide receivers who offer immediate upgrades from last year.
But it’s a start.
And they can take a big step forward by drafting and spending their cap space money wisely.
In an encouraging sign, it looks like the Rams are ready to pounce on the free agent market. And Snead specifically mentioned the wide receiver position as a focus.
“We’re confident that we knowmarket and who, in that market, fits Sean the most, and from there we’ve got to wait and see what happens next week,” Snead said. “But we’re confident we’re prepared to test that market, and that we’re prepared to test the market in the draft as well. We know we want to get better on offense.”
If that means sticking Wade Phillips in the corner or Snead and McVay clasping their ears to tune him out, so be it.
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znModeratorThey talk a lot about Phillips and the new D. They talk about LB/DE conversions. According to LS, Wade likes both Ogletree and Barron. Talks about how well Wade evaluates talent. About how LS worked with Wade in Atlanta. LS has a head start on knowing what Wade wants. They have already worked together. Clayton says the offensive coaches are “a great staff.” LS says they talked to a lot of Washington players in doing due diligence on McVay, and they were all impressed. Goff—2016 was just the first chapter, he’s getting there. You can make 5 to 7 clips per game where you saw him do with the Rams what he did at Cal (ie. sheer physical and throwing ability). McVay has looked at Goff in 2016 and has said this and this and that fit what they’re doing this year, and that includes making kinds of throws most can’t make. To get Gurley going they need to back the defense off with the pass. Goff mentally and emotionally has what it takes to succeed, last year did not phase him.
znModeratorCombine Notebook: March 3
By Myles Simmons
INDIANAPOLIS — Friday was the first official day of on-field workouts, with offensive linemen and running backs taking to the turf at Lucas Oil Stadium. Meanwhile, quarterbacks, tight ends, and wide receivers put their best foot forward meeting wit the media. Here are a few notes from the day.
1) What Kromer wants in an offensive lineman
New Rams offensive line coach Aaron Kromer has been around the league long enough to know exactly what to look for during drills at the Combine. But he said he feels like the in-person interviews are probably more valuable when it comes to the week in Indy.
“The way I like to look at these guys at the Combine, is I’m trying to find out whether they can learn football first,” Kromer told therams.com. “So the interviews are really the most productive thing for me, just an opportunity to teach them something and see if they can teach it back to me.
“Also, just when they are working out, and they are doing their drills, that goes so far,” Kromer continued. “So, they’ve got to know what to do, how to do it, and continue to do the right thing over and over. You can find more about that tin the interview than you can actually on the field in the drills, so I really spend a lot of time and really like the interview process of the Combine.”
We’ll have more in Kromer in a full feature on the site this weekend.
2) RBs impress with 40 times
Former LSU running back Leonard Fournette may not have had the best vertical jump, but his speed was certainly impressive for his size. Fournette, who checked in at 6-feet and 240 pounds ran an official 4.51 40-yard dash.
That time put Fournette right in line with another notable running back, Stanford’s Christian McCaffrey. He ran a 4.48 40 to go along with his 37.5-inch vertical and 10-foot, 1-inch broad jump.
McCaffrey, however, is listed at 5-foot-11 and 202 pounds. So for Fournette to only be .03 behind the Stanford product in 40 time says something about his athleticism.
T.J. Logan of North Carolina finished with the best 40 time of any running back at 4.37.
3) What are Smith-Schuster’s best qualities?
For some hometown flavor, USC wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster was at the podium on Friday afternoon and received a question about his best qualities as a receiver. He listed three: his football I.Q., his toughness, and how competitive he is.
“I’m tough. I played through a broken hand,” he said. “And just very competitive — willing to work, willing to put my body out there on the line.”
Plus, there’s been a bit of buzz around a quarterback who won’t be draft eligible for another year — USC’s Sam Darnold. Smith-Schuster revealed he’s worked out with both Rams quarterback Jared Goff and Eagles signal-caller Carson Wentz in the past, particularly as he prepares for his own draft process. So how does Darnold stack up?
“Sam Darnold’s up there. That’s probably one guy I would take from my team right now,” the wideout said.
High praise, indeed.
4) How would Trubisky about feel heading home?
Speaking of North Carolina, quarterback Mitchell (not Mitch) Trubisky’s hometown, Mentor, Ohio, is about 30 minutes east of Downtown Cleveland. The Browns, of course, hold the No. 1 overall pick in the 2017 draft. So how would the Northeast Ohio native feel to have his name called by the team he grew up rooting for at the top of the draft?
“I’m going to be excited wherever I go,” Trubisky said. “I have a lot of pride in where I’m from — that being my hometown. But no matter what team selects me, I’m going to be super excited and I’m going to work as hard as possible wherever I go. It’s been a dream of mine to play in the NFL since I was a little kid. So whoever picks me, it’s going to be a dream come true.”
Standard, middle of the road answer. But I’d bet he’d be ecstatic.
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