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March 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm in reply to: "route running & why what Robert Woods does is so important" #66270
znModeratorIR I’m not sure how I ended up quoting you as the quote is from the Bill Streicher write up in TSRF’s post.
Fixed.

As for your point:
I find this a bit comical. He isn’t developing as a pass-catcher because he was even in his rookie season the most polished WR the Rams have had since drafting Holt.
Yeah Barnwell hasn’t watched the guy IMO, he was just going off of stats.
You need context for stats to mean anything.
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March 14, 2017 at 10:28 am in reply to: will the Bills match the Rams offer to Groy? Turns out…yes (updated 3/16) #66266
znModeratorwe signed him to a two year deal, but how much is the deal? $2 million per year. The Bills may resign him.

Depends on whether Buffalo wants to give 3.5 in guaranteed money to a back-up while they also have a total of 21 UFAs. I don’t know the Bills situation very well but I assume they want to keep some of those UFAs.
More on this:
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It’s hard to see the Bills matching this offer. While it’s fair market value for Groy (probably a bit on the lower side), he doesn’t really have a spot in Buffalo to earn that money unless someone ends up on injured reserve again. Given the needs that remain at other positions, notably wide receiver and defensive back, it’s hard to justify the team sinking starter money into a backup position.
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RockRam & LMU93 wrote:
They are already paying over $7 mil to a starter that would cost them $4.3 mil in dead money to release.
Can the Bills really afford to have $11 mil dedicated to Center? That will be the question and I suspect the Rams think the answer is no or they wouldn’t have bothered.
When you have a good starting Center under contract that would hurt you to let him go, you can’t keep the other guy unless perhaps you decided to play him as a starting Guard.
Plus (not unlike the Rams) they can consider drafting a backup center in April and end up paying him 1/4 that price the next two years.
March 14, 2017 at 10:24 am in reply to: will the Bills match the Rams offer to Groy? Turns out…yes (updated 3/16) #66265
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znModeratorSo far so good. Whitworth, Woods, and Webster are all good signings and I hope they get Groy. That would mean that they will not have to make a need pick in rounds 2-4, which are money rounds this year. That would leave them freer to take the best fits available in a draft that is crazy deep at corner, safety, edge rusher, DE, and TE, with a lot of WRs too. They won’t be forced to go offense in a draft that is unusually deep on defense.
March 14, 2017 at 2:06 am in reply to: will the Bills match the Rams offer to Groy? Turns out…yes (updated 3/16) #66251
znModeratorPOSSIBLE OL
LT – Whitworth = 6.7, 330
LG – Saffold = 6.5, 332
C – Groy = 6.5, 320
RG – Havenstein = 6.7, 321
RT – Robinson = 6.5, 332avg: 6.6, 327
znModeratorMarch 14, 2017 at 12:34 am in reply to: will the Bills match the Rams offer to Groy? Turns out…yes (updated 3/16) #66249
znModeratorRams Sign Bills C Ryan Groy To Offer Sheet
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/03/rams-sign-bills-c-ryan-groy-to-offer-sheet
The Rams made a move late tonight to potentially add a starting center, signing Bills RFA Ryan Groy to an offer sheet, Mike Rodak and Adam Caplan of ESPN.com report. It’s a two-year offer sheet, per Rodak and Caplan.
The Bills gave Groy and original-round tender and would not be entitled to draft compensation if they elect not to match since Groy was undrafted. Buffalo has five days to match the offer sheet. Groy was drawing interest as an RFA last week from teams who believe he could start at center or guard for them.
Groy would be expected to become the Rams’ starting center, a status he does not presently occupy with the Bills. Currently, the Rams house fourth-year player Demetrius Rhaney as their only pure center.
Eric Wood is the Bills’ starting center, although after a season-ending injury in November, Wood ceded his starting spot to Groy for the Bills’ final seven games last season. He’d previously started just three in his three-year career. Wood, though, is entering a contract year and will turn 31 on Saturday. Groy will turn 27 in September.
The Bills saw an RFA decision last year come back to bite them in allowing Chris Hogan to sign with the Patriots. Groy did grade out better than Wood in the opinion of Pro Football Focus last season, but Wood has started 104 games for the Bills since 2009 and made the Pro Bowl in 2015. So, it will be interesting to see how the Bills proceed here since Groy, too, is entering a contract year.
March 14, 2017 at 12:31 am in reply to: will the Bills match the Rams offer to Groy? Turns out…yes (updated 3/16) #66248
znModeratorFYI on #Bills RFA C Ryan Groy, who #Rams extended a 2-year offer sheet: He played twice under new #Rams OL coach Aaron Kromer (Bills/Bears)
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 14, 2017
znModeratorAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Broncos CB Kayvon Webster is signing with LA Rams, per source.
11:02 PM · Mar 13, 2017—
kwebb @kayvonwebster
Official a Ram ! Los Angeles what’s good time to show up and show out ! Grind hard stay focused thankful
11:05 PM · Mar 13, 2017—
Alden Gonzalez @Alden_Gonzalez
.@AdamSchefter says Kayvon Webster’s deal with the Rams is for two years.
11:06 PM · Mar 13, 2017—
LA Rams Sign DB Kayvon Webster
The Rams have added a new member to their secondary.
Joe McAtee
The Los Angeles Rams have signed DB Kayvon Webster to a contract details here.
Webster spent four years with the Denver Broncos after being drafted in the 3rd round (90th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft out of South Florida. The last of those two years, Webster was a reserve for former Broncos and new Rams Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips. Webster’s experience under Phillips should serve him well in the Rams’ secondary rotation.
There is a bit of question as to where Webster will play. He played safety in high school and then moved up to cornerback at USF before staying there with the Broncos. He did offer safety backup skills and was reported to take over for Rahim Moore when he left, but the Broncos ultimately signed former Rams S Darian Stewart to fill the role.
So while he has cornerback experience under Phillips, he also offers stop-gap safety skills. Having lost S Rodney McLeod to free agency last season and looking at S T.J. McDonald likely heading out, there’s room at safety on the roster. At cornerback, the Rams lost CB Janoris Jenkins to the market a year ago, and CB Trumaine Johnson might be traded away as he sits on his second consecutive franchise tag.
With the 2017 NFL Draft in front of us and the full free agent window still open, we may have to see where Webster gets slotted in during OTAs.
For now, there’s a new Ram in the secondary.
znModeratorFormer #Broncos CB Kayvon Webster said visit w/ Rams today is "going well." Decent chance he reunites with Wade in a bigger role in L.A.
— Cameron Wolfe (@CameronWolfe) March 13, 2017
March 13, 2017 at 5:55 pm in reply to: Trump tweets snowstorm warning from the agency whose budget he's going to slash #66237
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znModeratorDecent Chance” Rams Sign CB Kayvon Webster
Nate Bouda
link: http://nfltraderumors.co/decent-chance-rams-sign-cb-kayvon-webster
Cameron Wolfe spoke with free agent CB Kayvon Webster, who mentioned that his visit with the Rams is “going well.”
According to Wolfe, there’s a “decent chance” Webster ends up reuniting with his former DC Wade Phillips and takes on a larger role with the Rams.
All indications have been that the Rams are a serious suitor for Webster and he is likely to end up in Los Angeles, so it won’t come as a big surprise if they’re able to get a deal worked out in the near future.
Troy Renck previously mentioned that some of Webster’s teammates believe he could be a starter for some team and it’s possible that the Rams are willing to give him that shot.
Webster, 26, is a former third-round pick of the Broncos back in 2013. He has played out his four- year, $2,745,800 contract and is currently testing the open market as an unrestricted free agent.
In 2016, Webster appeared in 13 games for the Broncos and recorded eight tackles, a pass defense and no interceptions while being a large contributor on special teams.
znModeratorWeek 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweiler
Mike Florio
Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweiler
So when did the Texans decide it was time to move on from quarterback Brock Osweiler despite a contract that pays $16 million guaranteed in 2017? The decision was made in the aftermath of an incident that occurred on the first day of the calendar year.
January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.
Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.
Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.
And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.
Rumors of an incident of some sort had been percolating for weeks. Both O’Brien and Osweiler downplayed talk of a loud argument in the days after the game. Following the hot potato trade that sent Osweiler and a second-round pick to Cleveland, former NFL defensive back Bryant McFadden said in an appearance on 120 Sports that Osweiler and O’Brien had a “physical confrontation that got ugly.”
“It was physical,” McFadden said. “It was physical. The players and coaches had to restrain O’Brien and Brock.”
Both the Texans and Osweiler’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, declined to comment on McFadden’s claims. Based on the information PFT has obtained, it seems that the incident was mildly physical at worst.
Consider it objectively. Osweiler is six-seven, and he was wearing full pads. O’Brien is considerably shorter than that and, unlike the conventional game-day attire in baseball, was not wearing pads and a uniform.
Whatever did (or didn’t) happen between the two of them, Osweiler’s perceived overreaction to the incident was, we’re told, the moment the Texans decided to move on from Osweiler.
znModeratorLooks like CB Kayvon Webster is going to wind up with the #Rams
DC Wade Phillips very familiar with his talent.
— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 13, 2017
znModerator#Eagles agreed to terms with QB Nick Foles on 2-year, $11M contract with $7M guaranteed, per @MikeGarafolo. Backup QB the best life ever.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 13, 2017
znModerator. But he’s still about a month away from turning 25, so the Rams believe there’s upside. They love his ability to sell routes, particularly on in-breaking ones 15 yards down the field. They love his aptitude for playing on the outside and in the slot. And they love his physicality.
Just a comparison.
Would people have been happy with Garcon this year if they had signed him?
Garcon did not surpass the combined 70 catches/1000 yards mark until his 6th season (2013).
I was very much in favor of them signing him in 2012 and wish they had.
Roughly speaking, in general terms, Woods is 2017’s cheaper Garcon alternative.
Garcon, career numbers:

znModeratorfrom Alden Gonzalez, WR Robert Woods feels part of history in joining Rams
playWoods was primarily the Bills’ No. 2 receiver over the past four seasons. He has yet to reach 700 yards in a single season and he only reached the end zone once last year. But he’s still about a month away from turning 25, so the Rams believe there’s upside. They love his ability to sell routes, particularly on in-breaking ones 15 yards down the field. They love his aptitude for playing on the outside and in the slot. And they love his physicality.
Woods, listed at 6-foot, believes that flexibility, coupled with his highly regarded skills as a blocker, can help running back Todd Gurley get going on the ground after a horrific second season.
March 13, 2017 at 2:01 am in reply to: Rams cut Barnes, Sims, & Kendricks & trade Hayes…also Watts & Mason #66216
znModeratorAre we…rebuilding?
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vI think of it more as a a corrective partial reassembly. You know, a CPR.
Actually IMO they inherited too many young players to rebuild.
Many of the cuts (Reynolds, Kendricks, Hayes, Barnes) are actually pre-2012 guys.
March 13, 2017 at 1:07 am in reply to: Why the poorest county in West Virginia has faith in Donald Trump #66212
znModeratorI think i posted that one a while back. Not sure though.
If you did my apologies.
You know if people are poor it’s their own fault though. They should get bootstraps, and, lift themselves up by them. It’s easy, happens all the time.
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March 13, 2017 at 12:21 am in reply to: Commentary on Rams in free agency (3/9-3/13 & beyond) #66208
znModeratorIt's not always the flashiest moves that pay the biggest dividends. Really like Whitworth and Woods to the Rams.
— Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano) March 10, 2017
znModeratorCB Kayvon Webster is paying Rams a visit
Alden Gonzalez
http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33253/cb-kayvon-webster-paying-rams-a-visit
LOS ANGELES — Free-agent cornerback Kayvon Webster is visiting the Los Angeles Rams, and given his ties to new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, he might be a fit.
Webster was a third-round pick by the Denver Broncos in 2013, but spent the last three years playing behind two of the game’s best corners in Aqib Talib and Chris Harris. Webster, 26, has played in only 247 defensive snaps since 2014, tied for 10th among Broncos defensive backs during that time. But the Rams have roughly $15 million to spend on unrestricted free agents after cutting ties with four key veterans on Thursday night and could use more depth at corner.
Webster tweeted Sunday about his forthcoming flight to L.A., which the Rams acknowledged.
The Rams have been shopping their primary cornerback, Trumaine Johnson, who is set to play a second straight season under the franchise tag. But even if they keep him, their depth at the position is questionable. Their No. 2 corner, E.J. Gaines, has been limited to 10 starts over the last two years. Behind him are Lamarcus Joyner, who’s better as a slot corner, a former sixth-round pick who was plucked off waivers, Blake Countess, and two undrafted free agents, Troy Hill and Mike Jordan.
Webster, 5-foot-11, has recorded 64 solo tackles in his career, but 59 of them came in his first two seasons. He barely played in 2015-16, while Phillips ran a Broncos defense that was the game’s best each season. The Eagles and Dolphins have reportedly been interested in Webster, as well.
The Rams also are in need of a starting center and could use more help at receiver, tight end, defensive line, linebacker and safety. But the free-agent market is still in play for them.
“You’ve put a dent in your budget, so you also have to work within the constraints of your budget,” Rams general manager Les Snead said Friday. “But usually after the first couple of days [of free agency], like we’ve had, you take a step back and go, ‘Let’s regroup.’ We had a Plan B, but you also take a step back and say, ‘Was somebody else out there that is still standing that we weren’t expecting and can help us?’ That’s kind of what we’re doing now.”
March 12, 2017 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Could Bills RFA C Ryan Groy follow Robert Woods to the Rams? #66199
znModeratorhttp://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/ryan-groy?id=2543886
RYAN GROY
WISCONSIN
6’5″
33 1/4″ ARM LENGTH
316 LBS
10 3/8″ HANDS
OVERVIEW
Wisconsin native. Redshirted in 2009. Set a school record by playing all 54 games of his career. Played 13 games in 2010, starting two at fullback. Played 14 games in 2011, starting four (three at left guard, one at center). Started all 14 games in 2012 (12 at left guard, two at left tackle). Started all 13 games at left guard in 2013.STRENGTHS
Terrific size. Very football smart. Plays with awareness. Has enough strength to hold his ground. Can lean and seal when he has an angle. Surprisingly effective pulling and working to the second level. Competes and gives consistent effort. Three-year starter. Respected by teammates and coaches — solid work ethic and character.WEAKNESSES
Needs to develop better hip snap. Average initial quickness, athletic ability and pop on contact. Has heavy legs and tends to bend at the waist. Needs to improve punch and grip strength. Struggles adjusting to and fitting on moving targets.BOTTOM LINE
Big, durable, blue-collar guard who is generally effective despite lacking exceptional physical traits. As a starter, is the type you look to replace, but could be serviceable backup in a slide-protection scheme given his size, intelligence and functional anchor.
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znModeratorI agree with your definition zn and I do think he can be a good one as well. I wonder how many guys could have been #1WRs with a really good QB throwing it to them.Woods can run any route in the game , he can beat press coverage he can get open, he will fight for the ball and wins darn near all of them. He can read defenses , find the soft spot in zones . He has great hands and body control plus he is a great blocker and he is just 24 (25 in April).
From what I have known and seen, I agree with all that. He doesn’t have much of a high-end upside in terms of just raw physical talent, but then, the whole point of this discussion was that you can get #1 WR production out of a guy who has the things you list but not necessarily the high-end skills.
March 11, 2017 at 9:30 pm in reply to: Could Bills RFA C Ryan Groy follow Robert Woods to the Rams? #66187
znModeratorWhat would it take? Think 2.5 mil could get it done? He’s a back-up in Buffalo and maybe they don’t want to go the extra 700K.
If they could get him for around 2.5 for 3 years with 5 mil guaranteed, that would be a relatively cheap signing for a young guy with low mileage and they could still draft a Center….Hmm who could we (I) want.
I’m not opposed to this.
from If Bills want to keep Ryan Groy and Mike Gillislee, here’s what it will cost
If Bills want to keep Ryan Groy and Mike Gillislee, here’s what it will cost
By using the original-round tender on Gillislee, and doing the same on Groy, it would cost $3.594 million, leaving the Bills with just under $21 million in cap space to deal with their own 22 unrestricted free agents, as well as any players from outside the organization they would be interested in (plus their draft picks).
Because of that, the best course of action for both Gillislee and Groy, as well as possibly Schmidt, is to work out a long-term contract that lowers their cap hit, but gives them more guaranteed money in the form of a signing bonus. According to Rapoport, that remains the plan in regards to Gillislee.
znModeratorJack I took out a post I deemed not appropriate.
March 11, 2017 at 6:04 pm in reply to: Could Bills RFA C Ryan Groy follow Robert Woods to the Rams? #66179
znModeratorRyan Groy
C
Buffalo Bills |
Height: 6-5 Weight: 320 Age: 26College: Wisconsin
Chicago Bears
Groy was signed as an undrafted free agent to the Chicago Bears on May 11, 2014. He was then moved to the practice squad on September 1.[1] On November 10, he was promoted to the active roster.New England Patriots
On August 10, 2015, Groy was traded to the New England Patriots for Matthew Wells. On September 4, 2015, Groy was waived by the Patriots with an injury designation.Tampa Bay Buccaneers
On October 28, 2015, Groy was signed to the Buccaneers’ practice squad.Buffalo Bills
On November 25, 2015 Groy was signed from the Buccaneers practice squad by Buffalo Bills.
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vid:
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I love Peter Schrager’s comments on Britt.
“The Rams now have adults in the room”
znModeratorOn Hav at guard.
Kromer has a long history of converting college tackles to effective guards.
Evans and Nicks in New Orleans, for example.
It’s a “thing.” Something he does.
So I ain’t promisin nothin here but in fact, Kromer tends to value guard play and uses the guards to lighten the burden on the OTs. So yes this can work.
They have a few guys they can turn into good guards, IMO. Saffold, Hav, Brown, Donnal. I don’t count Wichman…I think he is going to be the odd man out.
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