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DeadpoolJust trying to get some kind of feel for the first 9 picks after the 1st week of FA. Any and all feedback is not only welcome, it is encouraged.
1. Tampa Bay Jameis Winston – just do not see any other player here.
2. Tennesee – this is where it gets interesting. Mariota? Trade with someone for Mariota? I don’t like either of these scenarios. Personally I think it will be the Leonard Williams. They need help all over the defense, and Williams fits.
3. Jacksonville With a defensive minded HC and spending money on offense this offseason and having their QB, it has to be a pass rusher right? Dante Fowler? Not my favorite player by a long shot, but the experts love him.
4. Oakland another team I have yet to figure out, ever. This has to be a WR right? Raiders love speed, so my thought process is Kevin White.
5. Washington New rumors have said the Washington Football Club will take Mariota if he falls to #5. Its smoke season, so are they trying to entice a team to trade up with them or in front of them? They need defensive line help right? They signed Knighton and Paea so Shelton is out. Vic Beasley? Yeah Vic Beasley is the pick for now.
6. New York Jets Marcus Mariota, simply because I do not see him sliding down any further. Whether its the Jets or not.
7. Chicago They need DL and LBers so Danny Shelton makes sense. So does Shane Ray. Right now I would go with Danny Shelton.
8. Atlanta pass rushing help badly. Defensive minded coach. Gregory or Shane Ray fit the bill. Shane Ray.
9. New York Giants OL help? A DE? Scherff? Gregory? Reese is going to stick to his board as he always does, so that has to give the edge to Randy Gregory.
So to recap
Winston
Williams
Fowler
White
Beasley
Mariota
Shelton
Ray
GregoryLeaving:
WRs: Cooper, Parker
OL: Scherff, Peat and Collins
DE: Dupree
CB: Trae WaynesOf those 7, the Rams have met with Collins and Scherff, both at the combine. We also know the Rams love their SEC guys. So that would be Cooper, Collins and Dupree.
So as of today, I would think those 7 players would be the ones to take a closer look at. Again, trades will happen, even the Rams could move up or down as they have in the past. I could really see Cooper a target for a team that needs a WR. I think teams like Washington and even the Jets are teams that wouldn’t mind moving down.
March 16, 2015 at 12:40 pm in reply to: Do you know what day this is? It is already half over! #20730
wvParticipantI just finished teaching Life of Pi to my seniors. They wanted to have a pie day on Friday, but I’m too cruel. So, no.
And cheesecake is a pie according to the judges at our county fair at which I won Best in Division (pies and pastries and stuff) and Best in Show (all desserts).
Firstly….are you serious? Did you win a pie/dessert contest? What did you bake?
Did you bake a book?Secondly, I listened to Life of Pi, on audio-book. And then, the audio-book
blewup with about fifty pages to go. I saw the movie but i dont know if
the book finishes up the same way. Anyway — my question — what do you
have to say about that book? And what kinds of ideas do you have about
Richard Parker? What he might represent, assuming we decide he’s not
a literal tiger (which i dont want to assume).I know a squirrel named Richard Parker, btw.
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wvParticipantWell they aren’t mutually exclusive categories.

I am not sure i needed
to see TomBrady in his underwear
today.I would have eliminated Brady
from my draft-board,
just on the basis of that photo alone.I wonder if he read
“Where The Red Fern Grows.”w
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wvParticipant“(Bernie)…According to the Eagles’ media guide, Foles lists “Where the Red Fern Grows” as his favorite book.
Favorite film? The cartoon version of “Scooby-Doo.”
In an interview with ESPN, Foles said his favorite Disney movie is “Lion King.”
His favorite meal? Fried catfish. (He’ll be able to find plenty of that in the St. Louis area.)
Foles also has, at least in the past, been a devotee of Bikram yoga….”Bik-Ram Yoga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEzznV7LlyA
wvParticipantmoklerman
JT said in the radio interview that Bradford was willing to take a pay cut and they were working on that up until the combine when they found out he was being shopped by the Rams. That’s when talks broke down. Bradford wanted to remain a Ram and was willing to take a pay cut but the Rams low-balled him first and then started shopping him. Bradford decided not to take the paycut because it would just facilitate a trade.
Not that i care about the game-of-thrones-machinations
behind the scenes….but…it seems like this
came straight from the agent:
“… once the trade rumors started in earnest around the combine, Bradford agent Tom Condon wasn’t going to give money back AND see his client traded. Bradford genuinely wanted to stay in St. Louis, so why take a pay cut and make it easier to get traded?..”I mean, if I’m Bradford and I’m thinking about giving back money,
and then i realize, that the reason the Rams want the money
back is so it’ll be easier to trade me — I’m gonna slam the door on it.Then again, maybe the Rams werent exactly doing that but CONDON
persuaded Bradford the Rams were doing it — Lawyers
do that sort of thing all the time, in various context btw 🙂We’ll never know for sure. We’ll just get different versions
from different folks with different perspectives. Which
is fine, of course.…Btw, I am now mixing my Nasal Spray and
hot cider vinegar,
in with vegetable soup.
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vMarch 16, 2015 at 9:05 am in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #20711
wvParticipant;What round will
you pick a goofy looking QB? Or aren’t there any in this year’s draft?I’m thinking Bridge is a strong possibility.

He has the goofy face,
but I’m not sure about his
hand size.
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STRENGTHS: Tall, narrow body type with athletic footwork and long-striding speed to pick up yards with his legs. Elite-level arm strength and release quickness with the ability to add velocity and extra RPM’s on his throws with ease. Not shy about testing tight windows and trusts his arm to make frozen rope throws and put the ball anywhere he wants on the field.He has mobility to keep the play alive when the pocket breaks down, shaking off arm tackles and stepping up with his eyes downfield. Shows the ability to work through his reads and is a quick thinker to make snap decisions. Displayed outstanding toughness playing through an ankle injury most of November 2014.
WEAKNESSES: Bridge has improved field vision, but needs to develop his eye use and tends to stare down receivers, often leading defenders to his intended target. His receivers will struggle to handle his fastball at times and Bridge needs to develop a change-up and overall better touch to all levels. His mechanics and accuracy need refined, but neither needs an overhaul.
With only a dozen collegiate games under his belt, Bridge doesn’t have the ideal experience and might need a season or two to develop before he’s ready for consistent game reps, requiring a patient NFL team.
COMPARES TO: Colin Kaepernick, 49ers — Bridge is tall and lean with a rocket launcher on his right shoulder like the 49ers quarterback and has more than enough velocity on his passes to toss ropes to all levels of the field.
–Dane Brugler (12/4/14)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1776297/brandon-bridge-
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March 16, 2015 at 8:13 am in reply to: OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc. #20705
wvParticipantPoi-sonally, i aint worried about the Oline.
They know everything depends on it — they’ll
fill the holes. Might be with stud-rookies
but I dont mind that.I bet that new 4th round pick goes for
an OLineman, btw.w
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You know, ideally…this could be one of those trades that works out well for both sides.
Foles is more of an improviser and IMO that didn’t fit Kelly but it fits with Fisher.
Bradford is more of a learn it and implement it guy, and that fits well with Kelly.
Looks that way to me.
Assuming they both stay healthy.
I think they are both set up for success
on paper.w
vMarch 15, 2015 at 8:43 pm in reply to: Do you know what day this is? It is already half over! #20653
wvParticipantAnd no pie!
This is Pi Day! March 14th. 3/14. It has been recognized by congress. In fact this is the most pi of Pi Days for the next 100 years. March 14, 2015. 3/14/15. 3.1415! Shockingly inconsiderate I’d say.
Yeah that was pointed out to me by someone on Pi Day.
I can not believe i forgot about pi day.I went with Cheese-cake on Pi Day,
because i decided that cheese-cake is really a type of Pie.
Doesn’t it seem like cheese-cake is really pie?
Or am i alone here?w
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wvParticipantAre you intentionally misrepresenting Foles’s name in an deliberate effort to discredit him?
Meanwhile…
Ahh. Foles. Well the trade makes more sense now.
I thought they traded Bradford for the old Pittsburgh Pirate
shortstop: Tim Foli.Anyway, i don’t think Bradford is going to fit
in on the Phillies. I cant see him as a starter
or a relief pitcher.w
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Foli
His lack of power, combined with a lack of running speed (averaging approximately a stolen base every 20 games) resulted in Foli typically batting either second in the lineup or near the bottom. Although he accumulated few walks, Foli was also one of the most difficult to strike out, posting the league’s best strikeout percentage three times and finishing in the top ten five times. Foli compiled a .333 batting average in the 1979 postseason, contributing to Pittsburgh’s last World Championship. He was an accomplished bunter, finishing in the league top ten in sacrifice hits eight times including an American League-leading 26 in 1982.Defensively, Foli led league shortstops in fielding percentage in 1980 and 1982. He led the National League in double plays twice, in total chances twice, and in putouts once. Foli’s defensive low occurred on September 9, 1972 when he committed three errors in one inning, leading to three runs in Montreal’s 8–3 loss.[2]
wvParticipantSeems like the “cap room” is really only for One Year.
Its a special “one year of cap room” that comes with the trade.
Cause if Foley does well he’ll be making Bradford type money next year.But at least for this one year, the trade gave the Rams eleven million dollars.
Thats enough for two pretty good players, I guess. Fairley and another.w
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wvParticipantDunno if this has been posted. Interesting read, though:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2395773-nick-fairley-signing-gives-rams-deepest-scariest-d-line-but-will-it-matterSee link.
Excerpt below:
“…Not only did the Lions keep seeing inconsistency in Fairley in 2013, they kept seeing more of him.
He slowly put on weight throughout the season, a time when most players shed weight from the constant grind. He finished the season at a too-heavy 320 pounds.
In the following spring, Fairley had a corrective procedure to correct sleep apnea and changed his diet. He showed up for training camp at a relatively svelte 295 pounds, per Tim Twentyman of the Lions’ official site. Ironically, 295 was still outside his assigned weight range—too skinny!
By the start of the season, though, Fairley was back up to 315, per Kyle Meinke of MLive.com, and his play reflected his appearance. His lethargic, slogging efforts got him demoted to the second team.
“I don’t know where his head’s at. I wish I knew,” defensive tackle C.J. Mosley told Meinke. “If I knew, man, I’d grab his head and bring it back to where it’s supposed to be. I just don’t know.” First-team All-Pro linemate Ndamukong Suh, who also left Detroit, said something more promising—and more damning.
“I haven’t said this a lot, or to many people, more or less, but Nick is more athletically gifted than me,” Ndamukong Suh told Meinke. “He has an opportunity to be better than me.”…..
wvParticipantAs long as we’re wishing guys into a different existence,
let’s say Givens can be Jerry Rice.I would prefer Givens be
Lance Allworth.
That may just be me, though.Anyway, back to the interview — Orlando says the gameplan
should have been different in the Super Bowl loss — and…no…
follow up question?? No question, like: “What do you mean by
that Orlando? Can you expand on that Orlando?…”Sigh. Sportz-interviews.
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wvParticipantFirst, there is a lot of heavy scrutiny on Foles right now, but the accounts I most agree with see a lot of his issues as coachable. Not just that they are correctable things, but it also depends on how you set him up in the offense and how they use him.
Second, either way, next year’s qb draft class is far better than this one. If they want another guy, this is the way to do it, IMO.
Third, FA qbs? Here’s a list (as always, if a guy isn’t re-signed and is available, it’s because there’s a problem):
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Matt Cassel
Ryan Tannehill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Nick Foles
Kirk CousinsOk, well then i vote for
Andrew Luck.w
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wvParticipantDamn. I dont remember Orlando being
that…i dunno…’articulate’ or forthcoming
or somethin.Orlando talking about the Super Bowl loss:
“I think our game plan should have been different”Orlando was critical of Shottenheimer’s use of Tavon.
“this guy is running him offtackle, LoL, lets send him DEEP…”This was a fun, fun interview. Outstanding. Both guys were funny.
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wvParticipantThot this was an interesting post.
Not sayin i agree or disagree with it.w
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“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it.”
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DeadpoolThe Rams were in a no win situation with Bradford.
If he were to actually stay healthy and play moderately well, would the Rams try to re-sign him before the start of FA? Would you (meaning anyone reading this) pay Sam 17 mil per year for 6 years? After 1 decent year and all those years of injuries? I just do not think I could.
What if he gets injured behind whatever kind of OL Fisher and Snead put together this year? Another year with Keenum and Davis manning the QB position which means another losing season and with Bradford’s contract up starting over at the QB position in 2016.
Or IMO the worst case scenario, what if he plays the whole year, but plays poorly? Does he still have upside? Do you extend him? At what cost and what length of contract? Does he take the blame for his poor play or does it fall on the OL? It would be a total mess.
Even if Bradford goes onto having a full, great season with the Eagles, it wouldn’t matter to me. Why? Because I really don’t care what the Eagles do frankly. I care what the Rams do. Plus the debate will be: Is it Kelly’s system or Bradford that was the reason for Sam’s success or was it Fisher’s fault for not putting the pieced in place or having the wrong OC, etc, etc…
From the outside looking in, Chip Kelly’s offense needs a specific QB, and apparently Bradford is that type of QB. I’m not debating if he is or he isn’t. I don’t care. The Rams do not need a specific QB to win, they just need a QB that can: a) stay on the field and, b) manage a game without throwing it away. Davis and Hill literally threw games away.
Fisher needs to win and win now. He feels Foles gives him the best chance to do that. Do I trust his offensive decisions? Nope. Do I like Foles? IDK yet. Do I like the fact that the Rams gained a #2 next year and saved 13m to sign a couple of good defenders with money left for maybe some old, washed up OL? Yep, I sure do.
So Foles fails, the Rams end up at 5-11 or 6-10. What’s the next move? Well, there is still the draft this year to groom someone. There is FA again next year (and I have no idea who any FA QBs that could hit the market, but Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, RG3 lol, and Cam Newton are right now FAs), and a draft next year that I bet the 2 heifers I bought today will have a better/ deeper QB class then this year.
Cook, Hackenberg, Cardale Jones, Prescott, Goff, Keil, Hogan (yep, still not giving up on Hitch Hogan) And there are others. Carson Wentz is another name to look for.
And there is more then one way to pick up extra picks. Personally, I am still in the camp to trade as far back as humanly possible this year in the 1st round and try to acquire a 1st next year…
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wvParticipantHerzog was making a crack on JT.
Cuz he was out of the loop on the Bradford trade.I see no reason to defend Her-zog.
Its a well-known fact he’s been a trouble-maker
in this quadrant of the galaxy for eons.
He’s brought down worlds. And boards. Heck
i remember the board-war he and RamRock started
on the old Grits-board. No…he’s up to something.
Bears watching.w
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“I am Wrath. I had neither father nor mother: I leaped out of a lion’s mouth when I was scarce half an hour old, and ever since I have run up and down the world, with this case of rapiers, wounding myself when I had nobody to fight withal. I was born in hell – and look to it, for some of you shall be my father.”
Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
wvParticipantLaram dont think Foles is the answer.
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My hope is that Foles does extremely well, but I have some serious concerns.… the answer in my mind is if you’re getting rid of Bradford, upgrade.
They got a player that’s healthy, now…but is he better?
I don’t think so.
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The Rams apparently had options, for their were other team(s) that had interest in Bradford.The Rams chose Nick Foles as the catalyst for the trade.
I think they chose the wrong catalyst.
The Rams need a franchise qb. They still don’t have one.
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LaramWell considering my views of Nick Foles and what he brings to the table, I would have to consider several other options.
Let’s say Cleveland was one of the other teams with interest. They have two 1st rd picks, 12 and 19th.
Could the Rams have traded Bradford to them for their 12th pick, 19th?
Could they have then traded their 10th and 12th or 19th to move up for Winston?
Or how about IF as you say the 2016 qb class is better than 2015, stockpile picks for next year and play the season with your boy Keenum?
Or how about Bradford to Cleveland for Hoyer and one of their 1st rd picks?
How about making some calls around the league being proactive, instead of waiting for somebody to call you.
That’s what most teams do when they actually want to move a player.
I’m spit balling here but with some reasonable options IMO.
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http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/14/8135931/eagles-nick-foles-sam-bradford-trade-move-on-tape-all-22-film-rams
See link….here’s an excerpt…So why did the Eagles decide to move on from Foles? (links are GIFs to not slow down the page)
Early in his season he scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep passes were poor. And his short passes too.
In the middle of his season he was better about scrambling from a clean pocket, but still threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.
And at the end of his season he again scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.
Every player has a bad game now and then. But throughout the season, Foles never corrected any of these mistakes. It would be one thing if he had a bad stretch. But this was a bad season. Yes, the offense wasn’t catching anyone by surprise this season, there were injuries and subtractions, and the running game wasn’t as good. If Nick Foles needs a strong offensive line, a strong running game, a particular style of position coach, a top tier deep threat and an offense that no one has seen before to succeed…. then the Eagles were absolutely right to move on from him.
But even when he had all those things, the mistakes were still there. In 2013 he had a healthy, strong offensive line. He had a dominant running game. He had DeSean Jackson on the field and Bill Lazor on the sideline. And the offense was new.
And yet, he still made the same mistakes he did this season.
wvParticipantIf I was going by need, it would be QB, OL, LB. In a lower class it is CB and WR and DT. Then I would look at the numbers in each position. I fill any left over “needs” with a whole pile of UDFAs and minimum salary vets etc. etc. I have enough starters in DT and WR so it isn’t a real fix now need.
So who are they likely to Lose/jettison ?
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Barron
Mcleod
Zuerlein
Janoris
Tru Johnson
Brockers
Hayes
Fairley
Harkey
Cody Davis
Givens
B. Quick
Austin Davis
Case Keenum
Foles
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wvParticipantHold on though.
That’s just one year.
If they keep Foles, as a young starting qb up for his 2nd contract, he will get more than Bradford got. It’s either that or they let him walk. So starting next year, if they like Foles and keep him, we’re talking about a market that gives starting qbs in their second contract an avg. of around 19 M a year. Bradford averaged around 13 M a year.
Seattle is in the process of going through the same thing with Wilson.
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Agreed. Of course Seattle played it perfectly though
because they got, what?, about three years of ultra-cheap
ultra-good QB play.Fairley and Foles and Britt all have
short contracts. Interesting.
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wvParticipantFairley basically finishes out Langford’s contract on a prove it basis. I can live with that.
I’m surprised he settled for a one-year deal. I would have
thought he could have gotten a multi-year deal somewhere.I’m excited about the DLine. They started So SLOW
last year. It was awful. But now, one would think
they know GW’s system and they oughta be able
to start fast.I know nothing about Fairley.
Is he a run-stopper only or an allround player?
What does he do best?w
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wvParticipantI know. We talked about it before. I agree with you. There’s no reason for Bradford to do anything. He knows his own injury risk, and he’s got $13 million guaranteed, coming his way, no matter what. Sure Brady, Manning, etc., have renegotiated contracts to spread out the cap hit, but Bradford was in his final year, and he hasn’t been involved in a regular season game in a year and a half.
I think money, the cap space, the draft picks, and the fact that the Rams got a starting QB in return, all caused the stars to align just right, and the Rams made the trade.
Smart move, imo.
This is my own Wild-Speculation. No evidence for it whatsoever,
but i wonder if Bradford’s “leadership style” just
didnt quite jive with Fisher. I dunno.w
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wvParticipantWell Jim did get duped. The Snishers have been saying, forever, how much they love Bradford. Then this happens, with not even a hint dropped beforehand. Jim probably feels like he got played a little. I don’t know. He’s a pro, though, and he knows the NFL is full of misinformation, and disinformation. Everybody gets fooled, once in a while.
Regarding the trade, people can say whatever they want, but I still think Bradford would be on this team if he had taken a drastic pay cut, but with an incentive laden contract. Bradford and his agent didn’t want to do that. The Rams played the only hand they had left, trade him. That’s the teams only leverage, so they used it.
IMO, the Rams made a good trade. We’ll see how it plays out.
I always thought the paycut talk was utter nonsense.
For the life of me, i saw no reason in the world
why he would take a pay cut. It just seemed like fan-talk
to me. Now i could see him getting an “extension” with
lots of incentive clauses — but a “pay cut” — no way.
Why would he do that?w
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jankybill76#Rams signed DT Nick Fairley on a 1-year deal worth $5M base, source said. He can make up to $7.5M in incentives. A prove-it deal.
9:16 AM – 13 Mar 2015
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Jim Thomas @jthom1 · 21m 21 minutes ago
Wonder how that plays in locker room in terms of credibility issue? Heard some Rams players not happy with how whole Bradford thing handled.He REALLY just seems unhappy with this whole thing. I think he feels duped and doesn’t appreciate it.
Yeah, he seems to be taking something personally, there.
Bradford himself doesn’t seem to have a problem
with the way it was handled.w
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wvParticipantSo the DLine will be:
Quinn, Fairley, Donald, Long.
(and Brockers, Hayes, Simms)Seems like that would be the best dline
since…?w
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wvParticipantRams sign Fairley
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/transactions/nfl/all/today/
wvParticipantX, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never found you to be a jerk.
He’s just alluding to some old board-war stuff.
Things were said. Cows were dropped out of helicopters.
Nuns were decapitated.Water under the bridge.
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wvParticipantHey, -X-
Great to see you (Holy shit, does that mean our board is going to be destroyed again?).
How’s tricks (please let me live…)?
Our board is your board (add it to the ones you already own).
All the best,
MattThere is peace in the valley.
I think its a sign of the apocalypse.
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