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  • September 26, 2017 at 6:04 pm in reply to: I don't know what to title this. #75070
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    — X — wrote:

    4. Income inequality. What about it? Is this my fault too?

    Yes. It is your fault. So stop it 🙂

    I’m less interested in the actual ‘substance’ of an argument For or Against a system that allows or disallows great income disparities — because i know from experience its pointless 🙂 I am not gonna persuade you of anything and you are not gonna persuade me of anything, blah blah blah.

    But I ‘am’ interested in the subject of communication between people who are FAR apart politically. How should it be done? Is it possible? Is there a point to trying? Etc. So far i have no answers to any of those questions. Just questions and more questions.

    Sometimes i just want to talk to rightwingers about…Islands. Like…if there were two Islands. Each having ten people on them. And one Island had a system where 99 percent of the Island was owned by One Islander. And the other one percent was divided unevenly by the other Nine Islanders. One of the Nine was actually starving and had no land at all.

    Ok so thats Island one. Lets call it Capitalist-Isle 🙂

    And a second Island also had ten people on it. And they each had roughly, more-or-less the same amount of land. About ten percent each, give or take a percentage point or two. Lets call it Socialist-Isle.

    Now which Island would you rather live on and why?

    …and dont say it….I KNOW you wanna say “Gilligans Island”.

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    September 26, 2017 at 5:41 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75069
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    Someone sent me this. Havent read it, but the angle made me smile for some reason:

    Tebow:https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/24/colin-kaepernick-vs-tim-tebow-a-tale-of-two-christianities-on-its-knees/

    Colin Kaepernick vs. Tim Tebow: A tale of two Christians on their knees

    By Michael Frost

    September 26, 2017

    They’re both Christian football players, and they’re both known for kneeling on the field, although for very different reasons.

    One grew up the son of Baptist missionaries to the Philippines. The other was baptized Methodist, confirmed Lutheran, and attended a Baptist church during college.

    Both have made a public display of their faith. Both are prayerful and devout.

    This is the tale of two Christian sports personalities, one of whom is the darling of the American church while the other is reviled. And their differences reveal much about the brand of Christianity preferred by many in the church today…see link….

    September 26, 2017 at 7:47 am in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75051
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    So the Cardinals locked arms with the military reps on the field,
    and the Cowboys all locked arms and took a knee?

    Weird and interesting stuff going on, as the NFL-Corporate-PR-experts try to devise an approach that will basically make all the hard issues just ‘go away’.

    “look were all holding hands, everything is fine now…”

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    September 25, 2017 at 7:56 pm in reply to: NFL Players Respond to Trump on Anthem Protesters… + Kroenke #75017
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    — X — wrote:

    Personally, I think players should leave their political protests off the field. And again, millions of people feel the same way.

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    Standing for the “National Anthem” IS a ‘political’ act.
    Not standing is a political act.

    Kneeling for that political-song is a political act.
    Not Kneeling for the song is a political act.

    Etc.

    Its a political Song. The song is not like ’99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall’ or the Barney Song. Its totally political. Hand over your heart, gettn all misty eyed — politics. Kneel down, raise your fist in the air — politics.

    So if you dont want Politics in football, the NFL should stop bringing politics into it, by doing the whole “National anthem” ritual.

    I for one, would rather see a William Blake poem read at each NFL game. But thats just me 🙂

    September 25, 2017 at 7:40 pm in reply to: Westbrooks was arrested over the weekend #75016
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    In West Virginia he’d be Questioned, because he only had
    one gun in the car.

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    September 25, 2017 at 7:35 pm in reply to: some tweets fer 9/25 #75015
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    I had forgotten what it was like to just ‘expect’ WRs to make routine plays.

    The fisher years gave me Offensive-PTSD or somethin. I had forgotten what its like to see WRs who can:
    Run Routes,
    Get Open,
    HOLD on to passes.

    Britt made over a thousand yards, but we all knew damn well he couldnt run routes,
    and was not reliable.

    Its night and day.

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    September 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm in reply to: The Ken Burns version of Vietnam #74842
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    zn wrote:

    The “meaning” of the Vietnam War is no different from the meaning of the genocidal campaign against the Native Americans, the colonial massacres in the Philippines, the atomic bombings of Japan, the leveling of every city in North Korea. .

    That’s all a big blur and means nothing to me.

    I always prefer cold hard detailed history.

    If the only intention of Vietnam was genocide, that was an awfully inconvenient place to go do it.

    Vietnam was a product of many things, including policies and mindsets and ideological assumptions, and I would rather know that stuff.

    Other people can get into undifferentiated outrage. Personally I can’t hear it. It’s like screaming, to me.

    None of which defends or justifies or excuses or exonerates Vietnam. I guess we just have to assume an alliance between the screamers and the analysts. Some people are both.

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    I interpret Pilger’s writing differently. He just seems the same as Howard Zinn to me, and i never thought of Zinn as a ‘screamer.’ To me, Pilger IS doing “cold hard detailed history”…blah blah blah, we see it differently. No big thing.

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    September 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm in reply to: I'm happy about this…. #74840
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    zn wrote:
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    I cant understand what Buffalo’s braintrust was thinking.

    I really dont. It would be like jettisoning Ike and Torry.

    I dont get it.

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    New GM.

    Just starting over.

    Wanted the picks (and in Woods’ case, the cap space) and not the players.

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    Well, i know, but it seems to me, the new GM made two idiotic decisions.

    Tossing away a real solid, competitive, route-runner, possession receiver with great hands, and a fucking NO.1 WR…..

    He gets RID of THOSE for cap space?

    I hope he makes more deals with the Rams.

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    September 23, 2017 at 12:47 pm in reply to: I'm happy about this…. #74829
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    I cant understand what Buffalo’s braintrust was thinking.

    I really dont. It would be like jettisoning Ike and Torry.

    I dont get it.

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    September 23, 2017 at 7:57 am in reply to: The Ken Burns version of Vietnam #74806
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    Pilger:https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/21/the-killing-of-history/

    PBS’ “The Vietnam War” may show some of the conflict’s horrors but still soft-pedals the horrific war crimes that America inflicted on Vietnam, fitting with a corporate-dependent documentary project, writes John Pilger.

    By John Pilger

    One of the most hyped “events” of American television, “The Vietnam War,” has started on the PBS network. The directors are Ken Burns and Lynn Novick. Acclaimed for his documentaries on the Civil War, the Great Depression and the history of jazz, Burns says of his Vietnam films, “They will inspire our country to begin to talk and think about the Vietnam War in an entirely new way.”

    An American soldier walks by a Vietnamese home that was set on fire. (From the PBS’ series, “The Vietnam War.”)

    In a society often bereft of historical memory and in thrall to the propaganda of its “exceptionalism,” Burns’s “entirely new” Vietnam War is presented as an “epic, historic work.” Its lavish advertising campaign promotes its biggest backer, Bank of America, which in 1971 was burned down by students in Santa Barbara, California, as a symbol of the hated war in Vietnam.

    Burns says he is grateful to “the entire Bank of America family” which “has long supported our country’s veterans.” Bank of America was a corporate prop to an invasion that killed perhaps as many as four million Vietnamese and ravaged and poisoned a once bountiful land. More than 58,000 American soldiers were killed, and around the same number are estimated to have taken their own lives.

    I watched the first episode in New York. It leaves you in no doubt of its intentions right from the start. The narrator says the war “was begun in good faith by decent people out of fateful misunderstandings, American overconfidence and Cold War misunderstandings.”

    The dishonesty of this statement is not surprising. The cynical fabrication of “false flags” that led to the invasion of Vietnam is a matter of record – the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” in 1964, which Burns promotes as true, was just one. The lies litter a multitude of official documents, notably the Pentagon Papers, which the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg released in 1971.

    There was no good faith. The faith was rotten and cancerous. For me – as it must be for many Americans – it is difficult to watch the film’s jumble of “red peril” maps, unexplained interviewees, ineptly cut archive and maudlin American battlefield sequences. In the series’ press release in Britain — the BBC will show it — there is no mention of Vietnamese dead, only Americans.

    “We are all searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy,” Novick is quoted as saying. How very post-modern.

    All this will be familiar to those who have observed how the American media and popular culture behemoth has revised and served up the great crime of the second half of the Twentieth Century: from “The Green Berets” and “The Deer Hunter” to “Rambo” and, in so doing, has legitimized subsequent wars of aggression. The revisionism never stops and the blood never dries. The invader is pitied and purged of guilt, while “searching for some meaning in this terrible tragedy.” Cue Bob Dylan: “Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?”

    What ‘Decency’ and ‘Good Faith’?….see link….

    September 22, 2017 at 7:58 pm in reply to: Goff, the word after game 3 #74775
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    “…Sean McVay is fast gaining a reputation as a quarterbacks savant. His offense is a deliberate amalgamation of the Patriots, Saints and Falcons. The Patriots for their pre-snap motion and receivers’ off-the-line release concepts, the Saints for their downfield route combinations, and the Falcons for the way they marry their passing and outside zone running games.”
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    I could sit and read that paragraph over and over and over. And over.

    Finally.

    This is what i have wanted since the Martz days.

    Now lets hope McV is not a paranoid wacko who cant draft.

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    September 22, 2017 at 7:49 pm in reply to: SF game reactions thread #74773
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    nittany ram wrote:

    Yeah, we were taking the other day about the longevities of QBs nowadays. Goff is only 22. With QBs playing at a high level into their late 30’s, the Rams could be set at QB for the next 16 years or so.

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    O good Lord

    Why don’t you just BEG the football Gods to send an ACL injury Goff’s way.

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    September 22, 2017 at 7:45 pm in reply to: Baldinger & others break down some Rams plays #74769
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    Good stuff. I could watch that kind of stuff all day.

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    September 22, 2017 at 7:41 pm in reply to: Does Tavon fit #74768
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    I think Tavon has some big pluses but he has some big minuses too. He’s not just an explosive multi-purpose weapon — he’s also a weapon who FUMBLES.

    I dont like fumblers. I never liked the great E.D. cause of that, and i sure dont like it from a guy at Tavon’s level.

    So for ‘me’ the fumbles are HUGE.

    I dont want him returning kicks. If I’m the opposing team I DO want him returning kicks.

    As for his value as a decoy — i think thats big, and its important. I say that because both Fisher AND McV have used him that way, so they must know something.
    It must really help the blocker get an edge and Gurley get an edge, etc. If it freezes the defenders even for a second, GREAT.

    And as a Decoy….tavon doesnt FUMBLE. So let him do that until they cant afford his contract. Then jettison him and get some cheaper version to be the decoy.

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    September 22, 2017 at 9:39 am in reply to: SF game reactions thread #74738
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    last page of 49er message board thread:
    link:http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189248-official-referees-screwed-thread-2017-edition/page13/

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    “Anyone arguing that there definitively was no OPI or OPI from that camera angle is just using motivated reasoning.

    There’s simply no way to tell. Show me the camera angle from the refs vantage point on the sideline and we’ll have something to talk about.

    As for the purported NFL conspiracy, there’s a segment of every fanbase that insists there’s a shadowy conspiracy that’s holding their team back. Fans of the good teams (e.g. Pats, Seahawks, Packers, etc.) are even more vociferous about it.”

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    September 22, 2017 at 8:12 am in reply to: SF game reactions thread #74734
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    I love the way McV does his “sit on the little gatorade bench” thing
    while the defense is being shredded.

    I think it shows great confidence in the Offense.

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    September 22, 2017 at 12:36 am in reply to: SF game reactions thread #74694
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    That was quite simply the most entertaining RAM performance (not even talking about the ‘game’) I’ve seen since…oh, probly the GSOT days.

    I never found the Fisher years ‘entertaining’.

    McV’s offense is just flat-out entertaining to me. The design of the offense is just fucking awesome. It reminds me of Bill Walsh’s offenses. Somebody is always open, and often they are not only open they have a shitload of ROOM to roam. Fisher’s receivers usually just seemed to be coming ‘back’ to the ball. McV’s receivers seem to be usually moving forward. At least thats how it seems to me.

    This wasnt like playing the Colts — we know SF has a solid NFL Defense. Lots of talent on their D. And it was Goff’s first away game this year.

    The loss of a wily veteran starting center is a killer though.

    I was pleased to see Woods and Watson targeted.

    Am i the only one that doesnt even want Tavon on the field for punts anymore?
    I do think he’s actually quite valuable as the jet sweep decoy guy. But I dont want him anywhere near the punt return team anymore.

    Hyde was so impressive on that goal line play where he fell down and got back up and slammed forward and almost scored.

    If SF ever gets a franchise QB they will be good, it looks like to me.

    When did the rams decide to run the Giunta defense?

    And where did the pass rush go in the third and most of the fourth quarter?
    Were they only rushing three a lot of the time?

    I could talk about all kinds of ‘individual’ plays both good and bad, but to me, the story of the game is the McV offense. The design of the plays. The execution of it. The fluidity of it. The QB as point guard. I love it.

    Guess they’ll be drafting a lot of defensive players in the draft.

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    September 21, 2017 at 4:02 pm in reply to: Ketchup Sandwiches #74656
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    Zooey wrote:

    “Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again–“

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    Ketchup sandwiches is fake newz. Mustard sandwiches is where its at.

    Btw, i was pondering about those little plastic rectangular ketchup packages that you get at Wendy’s or McDonalds. I was pondering why its so hard to tear off the top of them. Part of the top always stays attached no matter how hard you pull at it. It vexed me for decades and decades.

    And then i figured it out — the corporations WANT the top to stay attached to the package, so as to keep the top from falling onto the ground and causing littering issues.

    And when i realized that, i heard a chorus of angels, and
    sweet music played in my head, and i saw rainbows, and unicorns,
    and thus, i realized for the first time — the corporations are…good.
    And i was forever changed.

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    September 21, 2017 at 3:26 pm in reply to: Beelzebufo – the frog that ate dinosaurs… #74654
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    So this is a frog thread? Or a Toad thread? Which is it?

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    September 21, 2017 at 3:22 pm in reply to: Ketchup Sandwiches #74653
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    PA Ram wrote:

    Unfortunately a lot of poor people who vote–if they vote at all–vote against their own interests….

    Because the ‘system’ makes em ‘ignorant’. Drenches em in Lies. Propaganda, Distractions, Deceptions, Bread-and-circuses, etc. And of course it keeps em so busy just trying to survive they dont have time to be critically-thinking-citizens. Thats a luxury. Critical-thinking is a luxury, these days.

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    September 21, 2017 at 7:04 am in reply to: First road game for G–informal poll on the SF game #74644
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    zn wrote:

    Bradford was injured twice. His OLs were shredded by injuries. He didn’t build that. My hope is that we don;t see that kind of thing anymore. The results will be the same if we do.

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    Fisher was also the guy who preferred players like Britt and J.Cook, instead of other options. The WR corps always seemed sub-par to me. It was never good in Five years. It seemed like such a struggle for guys to simply ‘get open’.

    McV comes along and it seems like everyone is open all the time.

    There were indeed a lot of key injuries Fisher had to deal with. But I still think McV is an upgrade.

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    September 20, 2017 at 11:05 pm in reply to: First road game for G–informal poll on the SF game #74636
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    zn wrote:
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    Wade is a bust. But the 49ers are double-stupid, and the Rams are not Fisher-stupid anymore.

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    Sorry, but, speaking as one self-appointed Let’s Do History Right type to a self-appointed Fisher Hater type
a Fisher/Wms defense would never have been run on that way. In fact even in 2016, when the morale collapsed, they still ended up 16th against the run, and that was low ebb for them.

    I could get more into it and ask how McVay would do with a series of #2 caliber qbs but
enough.

    So this isn’t a board war. It’s a board skirmish without casualties.

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    Nah, I saw GW’s defenses gashed plenty of times by running-games. They just weren’t consistent. They’d be great for a couple of games, and then boom, they’d get run-over. I think the 16 ranking is fairly accurate, but that aint a good ranking as far as I’m concerned.

    As far as how McV would do with Keenum, etc — I dont think its the right question. Fisher built his team. McV is building his. So far I like the way McV is doing it better.

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    September 20, 2017 at 8:11 pm in reply to: Goff watch, week 2 #74618
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    “…And just like with Atlanta and Washington last year, so many of the Rams’ aerial concepts are synced with their ground game. You can really help your quarterback by making your plays all look the same off the snap….

    None of this was part of the Goff conversation a year ago. Los Angeles’s running game was constricted and mostly independent from its passing game. Every play was its own entity. Goff was seeing all trees, no forest…”

    I wonder what Benoit means, by “every play was its own entity” last year?

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    September 20, 2017 at 6:52 pm in reply to: First road game for G–informal poll on the SF game #74609
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    I gotta feeling itz gonna be a Turnover-fest. A blunder-bowl.

    It may set back Thursday Night Football at least…..well….wait. No, Thursday Night Football sucks already. I suppose this game will be fine for Thursday Night Football.

    Rams 34
    49ers 30

    Wade is a bust. But the 49ers are double-stupid, and the Rams are not Fisher-stupid anymore.

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    September 20, 2017 at 8:07 am in reply to: FBI vs RT #74588
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    Every single solitary time, i hear a complaint about Russian influence of elections in Amerika, i think to myself….what about Israel? Why no complaints about Israel?

    link:http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2017/09/15/israels-foreign-agents-dont-register-russias/

    “…
    ……..Although RTs viewership in the United States is minuscule compared to major domestic broadcast and cable news outlets, over the years RT has made many enemies in Washington. The network’s slogan, “Question More,” and financial resources allowed it to televise stories that US networks, under the perpetual threat of loss of “access” to newsmakers, boycotts and organized pressure campaigns, cannot.

    Nowhere was this more evident than RT’s relentless coverage of Israel and its US lobby.

    RT covered Benjamin Netanyahu’s connection to the Arnon Milchan nuclear trigger smuggling ring, the diversion of weapons grade uranium from a toxic plant in Pennsylvania to Israel, and details of a massive Israeli-lobby orchestrated propaganda campaign in the United States.

    A FARA order could mean RT’s departure from the American scene. This could reduce the number of news packages on topics prohibited in America – located in the triple-digit channel nether-region of the cable lineup, but archived and well-viewed online with 2.2 million YouTube subscribers – to zero….see link….”

    September 19, 2017 at 10:27 pm in reply to: First road game for G–informal poll on the SF game #74579
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    SF is stupid. No way we lose.

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    Well if SF is stupid,
    what are the Rams?

    “The Rams were the only team to lose to the 49ers in 2016, as both wins for the 49ers were against the Rams.”
    wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/49ers%E2%80%93Rams_rivalry

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    September 19, 2017 at 8:21 pm in reply to: counterpunch on 'class' #74568
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    link:http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/news/a9449/harvard-alum-letter-jared-kushner/
    “…Kushner is an alumnus of the Ivy League school, though his qualifications to attend the institution have been called into question, most famously by Daniel L. Golden’s book The Price of Admissions: How America’s Ruling Class Buys Its Way Into Elite Colleges — and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates. Kushner’s father Charles pledged 2.5 million to Harvard, in 1998. Jared enrolled in the Ivy League school in 1999….”

    September 19, 2017 at 7:27 am in reply to: Rams uniform for Thursday night game #74548
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    They are going with putrid-yellow
    on national tv?

    I see.

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    September 18, 2017 at 12:29 pm in reply to: What happened on the Goff INT ? #74502
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    An Laram post.

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    Coaches script plays for ALL qb’s but as we both know things don’t always go as scripted.

    The separation comes with the qb’s that are able to still function at a high level off script.

    Pretty clear.

    I credit Everette for his big play having the wherewithal to break off his route and give his qb a target. All Goff had to do was throw it out there.

    Heady play by a rookie te.

    On the last play EVERYBODY in the stadium and on the Skins sidelines knew where Jared was going with the ball. They were yelling it out on the sidelines.

    He has NO idea who his money players are. On 99% of his throws he’s going to a guy before the ball is snapped.

    I was told that Spielman did a good job of spelling it out on TV.

    Receivers were running free the ENTIRE game.

    There was a LOT of frustration and bad body language out there.

    Its a major issue.
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    September 18, 2017 at 7:46 am in reply to: Washington game reactions #74499
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    I didnt see the game, just some hi-lites. I see the Wash’s got 230 yards on the ground.

    I didnt think Aaron Donald would be in top-form, and i thot Wash would take advantage of him.

    Still too early to say much about ‘any’ team in the NFL. Maybe Wash will win twelve games, who knows.

    Best thing by far about Sunday — they came back. Show’d somethin.

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