who knows. maybe this is a blessing in disguise. now st louis is off the hook for yet another 400 million dollars that goes to a totally unnecessary stadium. the ed jones dome will still be able to generate money for the city.

http://www.ibtimes.com/nfl-los-angeles-rams-relocation-good-news-st-louis-economy-2263922

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by InvaderRam.

zn wrote:

Amy Trask ‏@AmyTrask
During my years in the league, I can count on one hand (w/fingers left to spare), the number of times that the (1/2)

(2/2) recommendation of a committee & in those instances, the issue was tabled, rather than voted upon, while accommodations were made.

Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt
Been around NFL owners meetings a long time, cannot remember league turning its back on a committee recommendation (Carson) as yesterday.

i don’t think the committee ever really supported carson. just an attempt to strong arm kroenke into making some more concessions for spanos.

i hope someone makes a documentary about this some day. an honest one.

the fallout from this move is just so depressing.

one of my wishes for the rams was that they one day draft the unequivocal best player of one particular draft. just absolutely nail that draft pick.

this makes me so happy. i hope he is able to play many more years with the horned helmet.

wow. that close. now you gotta wonder if some deal is going to be struck or if a vote is made on a ram/charger partnership?

as bad as st louisans are feeling right now. those feelings were just as raw when the rams left los angeles.

i don’t think it does any good wondering whether georgia or stan were worse owners. i think at the end the fans were hurt just the same.

and at the end of this someone is going to get cut. whether it be rams fans st louis or los angeles or chargers fans in san diego or raiders fans in oakland.

yeah. their hatred of kroenke is eclipsed only by their hatred of the raiders in los angeles.

it also seems to be a near consensus that the inglewood stadium is better than the carson stadium in every way.

and kroenke knows it. the owners need kroenke in la. but they do feel loyalty to spanos. so somehow they gotta find a way for the two of them to coexist.

i still feel like spanos is going to want to make it work in san diego but will have a deal with kroenke in place should that fall through.

losing ogletree and quinn combined with a really horrible offense hampered this defense.

i agree with everyone who commends him on the job he did with the secondary.

even without mannion i figure they got 4 starters out of this.

havenstein, brown, and wichmann on the oline. then you add gurley who has the potential to be a superstar.

if mannion can eventually be a starter that’d turn out to be a great draft. i mean like best draft rams have had in quite awhile.

looks like they got at least 4 starters out of this class? possibly the foundation of a brand new offense?

shoot. if mannion pans out…

wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

Dak wrote:

I’m wondering if somewhere along the way that SK felt disrespected in this process …

I really don’t know how L.A. fans like Joe could go through this type of thing and still follow the Rams so closely. If there’s anything that will keep me following, it could be this bunch of fans on this board right here. I can’t say that for sure, because honestly I get busy and I’m very stingy with my time.

And, really, as I get older, sports becomes less and less important to me. .. There are much worse things that can happen to you than to lose an NFL franchise (a second time).

I don’t think it’s a matter of disrespect with Stan. I don’t think anything is personal with him. It is all business. The man’s entire life has been business deals, making money. That’s what he does. He is one of those guys who is simply a Borg of Business. He is literally a Multi-national Corporation in human form. Corporations aren’t sentimental. St. Louis is simply a market. Los Angeles is a market. For Kroenkeco, Los Angeles is a better place to build Empire than St. Louis is. It is that simple.

And I agree with WV in the sense that his argument is entirely “legal” rather than emotional. There’s no name-calling or anything personal. It is “scorched earth” in the sense that he argues that St. Louis is entirely deficient as a marketplace. He doesn’t stop with just saying, “The dome isn’t 1st tier.” He wants to move. So he pulled out all the stops, and presented the most damning argument he could against St. Louis, and the most favorable argument he could towards his Inglewood project. If he pulled punches anywhere, it was on Carson.

And I fully agree with you on “time,” and on priorities. I have other things to do, too, things that matter. And sports…as much fun as they are…the longer I live, the more I am disappointed. My heart got broken on the scoreboard many times when I was a kid. And I saw my favorite players leave as free agents, and I saw rule changes I didn’t like, and traditions discarded, and the commodification of everything, and the price of paraphernalia and tickets skyrocket, and games get harder to watch on TV, and teams move away from loyal fans, and strikes, and lockouts, and replacement players, and it all just takes a toll. There are far, far more ways to be disappointed in sports than there are ways to find happiness. Only one team wins each year. Everyone else experiences some level of disappointment.

Bu you are certainly right when you say there are worse things that can happen to you.

I follow the Rams even when they are down, but if not for this band of brothers posting here, I wouldn’t spend as much time on them as I do.

You know, I think a lot of fans treat their fandom like a religion, and they cast disdain on “bandwagon” fans, and all that. I just am not wired that way. And I think all the disappointment in my teams, the owners, the management, the league, has just taught me that I should treat my loyalty the same way the owners treat their teams. I mean…Stan (and hosts of other owners before him) has shown he doesn’t care about the fans per se. Owners believe they don’t owe us anything. So I don’t see why we owe them anything. I don’t understand sports as religion. It’s a business arrangement. And if they provide a crappy product, I don’t have to give it my money. I’m NOT paying to watch the games, and I’m not paying $185 for a shirt that cost them $4 to make in China.

When the Rams left LA, I had to decide if I was dropping them as a fan or not. I, like other nomads, decided the zip code of their stadium wasn’t as important to me as the team and the history of it that I grew up with, and internalized. It was important, but not THAT important. To me. But “home” team was never a thing for me, since none of the teams I root for are local. Anyway, I just realized that the Rams are part of me. And I wasn’t going to let them take that from me. That was my decision. I just decided – as much as I didn’t want them to move – that geography was less important to me than other things.

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Ditto to all that, zooey.

I kinda wish fans would stop doin what they do.
I wish they’d stop paying ridiculous ticket prices.
Just stay the F### Home. And stop paying for all those
ridiculous tv-packages. And stop buying all the corporate
jerseys for a gazillion dollars. Etc.
Stop all the money-madness, and just…follow the team
without giving money to the corp-machine.

But of course thats like saying don’t buy plastic
shit at Walmart — aint gonna happen.

I could go on….

Anyway, i enjoy the hell out of this small
group of posting-apes on this small planet,
in this swirling blazing galaxy, in this mysterious
dark void of space.

w
v

yeah. i’ve felt that way for a long time.

i do pay for sunday ticket. i know. but i try to give them as little of my money as i possibly can. only my time and dedication…

and a subscription for sunday ticket.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by InvaderRam.

yeah. gz ain’t no johnny hekker.

rams need to find the johnny hekker of nfl kickers.