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apparently the rams are inquiring about a trade for obj.
a fourth rounder. that’s all i’d give up.
One Rams executive, when approached by the Daily News at the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes Monday afternoon, declined comment but flashed a wry smile and didn’t deny it. “Where did you hear that?” the exec said.
this whole thing. reminds me of the cris carter fiasco back in 2002 was it?
i remember guys imagining a wr corps of bruce, holt, and carter. i think proehl was still a ram. and maybe hakim was already a lion at this point? i can’t remember. i’m looking at pro football reference right now.
and then cris goes to miami and sucks. and the rams start their slow descent back into some awful awful football.
hopefully, this turns out the exact opposite. rams sign suh, suh kicks ass. and the rams continue their ascent.
https://scout.com/nfl/vikings/Article/Huge-News-Day-For-Cris-Carter-104034033
Huge News Day For Cris Carter
Why is this man smiling? Because this photo was taken before Wednesday — arguably one of the most embarrassing days of Cris Carter’s post-Philadelphia career.
Tim Yotter – Mar 6, 2002In the span of 12 hours Wednesday, the ideal relationship of Hall of Fame receiver and Super Bowl title favorite came crashing down and there’s nobody to blame but Carter.
So much happened in the course of the day that VU was burning up the phone and e-mail lines and it’s easier to simply do it chronologically, so we present “The C Files.”
THE C FILES: A DAY OF INFAMY
* Carter leaves Miami Tuesday talking that he would like to play with the Dolphins, but VU learns that a Miami front office official says he believes Carter is simply using the Rams for leverage.
* Carter arrives in Cleveland and the Browns hit him with the home-town sentimentality, as well as claiming they will offer him a better package and a starter’s pay — as opposed to the Rams, who envision him as a third receiver with third-receiver pay.
* Hours before anything breaks on the Carter front, VU is told that Rams coach Mike Martz conducted a background check on Carter and might be having second thoughts. One key Ram in particular, RB Marshall Faulk, had a problem with Carter from the Pro Bowl a year ago, yelling at Carter for what Faulk perceived as a lack of blocking that left him open to big hits.
* Carter contacts the Rams Wednesday afternoon, claiming he is being held up in Cleveland — interpretation: trying to work out the numbers for a contract — and wants to delay his trip to St. Louis.
* Carter and the Browns don’t reach an immediate agreement and Carter contacts the Rams about rescheduling his visit for later Wednesday night.
* Martz, fed up after setting up a dinner meeting with Carter and several key Rams personnel and their wives, including QB Kurt Warner, tells Carter to forget the visit if he’s going to be late.
* Carter and the Browns don’t reach an immediate agreement and, while a deal looks more possible now than ever, no deal is done and the Rams aren’t happy.
* The badmouthing of Carter begins by the Rams, who, unlike the bunker mentality of the Vikings, speak more freely about team matters.
* VU is told the Rams won’t consider dealing with Carter again until after the league meetings March 17-22. However, they’re moving forward, planning to bring Tampa Bay WR Jacquez Green in for a visit Friday.
* VU learns that Carter called Martz more than a dozen times since the end of the season, claiming money isn’t an issue — pointing out how much he has made the last three seasons — and claimed all he wanted was to finally play for a Super Bowl team. Martz is disillusioned with Carter, saying if the Rams don’t fit that criteria, no team in the NFL does.
* VU is told that Rams Player Personnel VP Charley Armey was against the signing of Carter all along, concerned that he would be a bad influence in the locker room.
* Another source close to the Rams says that the Wednesday escapades show what a phony individual Carter is and that his interest in football is more selfish than team oriented.
* A front office source with the Rams says he’s convinced Carter will sign with Cleveland and has been told as much.
So goes the saga of Cris Carter. He wanted his ring. He wanted it badly from the number of times he called Martz. Yet, apparently more money can ease that pain. The Browns are a team on the rise and, perhaps in the next year or two, could be a Super Bowl contender. But the Rams already are and Carter possibly made the mistake of his life by passing up the chance to realize every player’s dream of being on a title team and playing for the last team standing at the end of a season.
yes. i agree…
i was about to post some pictures. but i saw that it was what you had anyway.
so. in short. i agree.
Predicting the future is always tricky:
and case keenum and jared goff both had great seasons the following year… and they could just as easily fall back to earth this year.
yeah. it’s all guesses. he could regress like blake bortles did. injuries could derail his career.
i was encouraged by how he approached last offseason. and i hope he does the same this offseason. last offseason, i’m not sure how much exposure he got to the playbook. but he and his teammates should at least be able to dive into it full throttle this offseason if only on their own and without the coaches.
and i hope he continues to hit the weights and get stronger.
the one thing that really worries me is losing lafleur AND olson. how much does that hurt? losing BOTH your oc and qb coach. losing all that experience cuz i don’t know anything about waldron or taylor. absolutely nothing. lafleur and olson had a track record. they’ve been in the league for years. how does that impact goff?
huh. so one thing i did not realize. the titans defensive line coach terrell williams was the dolphins dl coach from 2015-2017.
so the titans are either completely ignoring williams’ input regardin suh. or maybe williams looks forward to the chance of working with suh again. maybe somewhere in between?
but the fact that suh is heavily considering the titans. does that mean suh enjoyed working with williams?
this is from 2015.
#Dolphins d-line coach Terrell Williams calls Ndamukong Suh's work etic and intelligence "elite". "I love the guy, not like him, love him."
— David Dwork (@DavidDwork) August 12, 2015
either way. or any other way. i think this thing about suh’s coachability is perhaps overstated. maybe way overstated? i don’t know. is it a coincidence that the two leading contenders for his signature have strong ties to suh?
the titans re-signed jones. they have casey. yet they still are going after suh? and didn’t think to ask williams his opinion of suh? or worse ignored his advice (assuming he had bad things to say about suh) and are still trying to sign the guy?
anyway. just thinking out loud.
I hope the Rams don’t strain too much to make an offer.
i agree, ag. don’t get drawn in.
At 31 years old, Suh likely still has plenty left in the tank, so whichever team acquires the star DT will be bringing in a true defensive game-changer.
i’ve read a lot of articles stating that he’s playing some of the best football of his career. the stats may not show it. but his game has matured. his run defense has improved. and he’s still an iron man.
IF he signed with the rams, i’d expect them to bring his snaps down. he’s been in the mid to high 80s the last several seasons. that’s too much. i’d expect his snap counts to be in the mid 70s. just basing that on donald’s snap counts – which was 73.56% (compared to 83.84% for suh with miami). bringing those snap counts down will keep him fresher and maybe he doesn’t take so many plays off.
me being totally and completely biased. i think the best fit for him is the rams. unless tennessee just totally blows him out of the water with a huge contract. but if he’s really interested in growing his brand as i’ve read in some articles. i can’t think of a better place to do it. i can’t think of a better defensive coordinator to best utilize his skills. he’s had to have heard about sonofbum’s rep. his ability to turn defenses around. all the great players he’s coached. on the rams he could take his rep from being a great player to being a legendary player. that’ll do wonders for his post-playing career.
But his youtubes and stats aren’t really impressive. Have you seen anything impressive on youtube for the guy?
no i haven’t. but the rams could trade down and get him.
i read that fsu played him as a 4-3 de so he was a little out of position. a lot of people believe he’ll be better off as a stand up edge rusher.
i like okoronkwo a lot and was pleased to see his 3-cone drill at his pro day. and he’s long. pretty much i’m just repeating what you’ve already written.
rams like him too so wouldn’t be surprised to see rams draft him.
i also wouldn’t mind seeing the rams draft oline in the first round and then getting a guy like armstrong in the third.
agility numbers and explosion not quite on par with the guys you mention but he’s got good length. almost 35″ arms. had a down senior year but also played out of position.
