WV, how’s your political anthropology study going?

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  • #123618
    Billy_T
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    Am interested in reading about your findings. The breakdown of different kinds of leftists, as you see them, on Twitter or wherever.

    Have been reading some reassessments of much earlier philosophers (Avicenna, Spinoza, Hegel) lately, by 20th and 21st century leftists, and it’s interesting to read their championing of this or that oldie but goody as proto-leftist. Definitions and terminology, I suppose, have to be radically loosened for something like that. As the board knows (of course), we didn’t even start using the terms left and right (for politics) until after the French National Assembly of 1789, but the philosophies that now fall under those terms go back thousands of years.

    This book was frustrating along those lines, but interesting:

    ‘Avicenna and the Aristotelian Left’ by Ernst Bloch reviewed by Steph Marston

    Now reading Steven Nadler’s recent take on Spinoza, A Book Forged in Hell. Excellent so far. Much better than Antonio Negri’s late work, Spinoza For Our Time.

    Anyway . . . please add your thoughts in this thread, or, start your own. Will respond later and kinda sorta hash out where I stand too. At least where I think I do.

    Hope all is well.

    #123629
    wv
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    Hey, Comrade-BT.

    Well, I’ve flitted around twitter like a bat out of hell, and I’ve ‘followed’ (click a follow button) every Stalinist, Maoist, Leninist, Marxist, Anarchist, Berner, Progressive, Soc-Dem, Dem-Soc, ML, MLM, AnCom, eco-socialist, zapatista, Green Party, People’s Party, Anti-capitalist, and general pain-in-the-ass-leftist I could find.

    So, in about two or three weeks, I’m now following 4,235 leftists. Only 701 followed me back, btw 🙂

    So, now what? Why bother? What is to learn? Is there any use for leftist-twitter? I dunno.

    I am still mulling all of this over. There are lot of young people on there who want a ‘revolution’. There are a lot of leftist esoteric-theory-wonks who argue about how many stalinists can fit on the tip of a bayonet, and whether paragraph three of Marx’s letter to leviticus in 1492 alludes to UFO’s or just spaghetti.

    Its a maelstrom of tiny-thots, whirling and swirling and sucking people in.
    There’s definitely an unhealthy addictive quality.
    There’s also potential for….something. But i dunno what, yet.

    If you had registered i was gonna post a Jimmy Dore thread, so you could read it. There was a long thread asking leftists what they thot of Dore. You would have liked it, i think. Half the leftists echoed your complaints. The other half a-dored him. (I have been channeling your dore-thots, since you apparently have persuaded me he has ignored trump and the reps)

    I recommend trying it. Interested in Camus? Type Camus in the search box. Interested in Spinoza? Type spinoza in the search box. Rams? Films? Tapirs? Its all there, swirling around.

    Not even close to any conclusions yet. Still barely have my head above water.

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    #123630
    wv
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    An example of something i had to look up in order to understand a tweet i saw:

    Fourth International Posadist

    The Fourth International Posadist is a Trotskyist international. It was founded in 1962 by J. Posadas, who had been the leader of the Latin America Bureau of the Fourth International in the 1950s, and of the Fourth International’s section in Argentina. Between their split from the International Secretariat of the Fourth International in 1962 and Posadas’ death in 1981, Posadists developed a strain of communism that included several fringe ideas, which brought them into conflict with more mainstream left-wing groups.

    Posadism is probably best remembered today for its enthusiasm towards using the force of nuclear war as a way of destroying capitalism[1] and its attempt to introduce elements of Ufology into Marxist thought.[2] Arguing that only communism can allow the development of interplanetary travel, they concluded that visiting aliens from other planets must live in highly advanced communist societies and are bound to help Earth-based communists with bringing about the world revolution.[3][4]
    Contents:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist

    #123636
    Billy_T
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    Thanks for the good thoughts, WV, and the humor. Sounds like it’s been interesting as an experience, if a bit of a mixed bag.

    Please post that twitter thread on Dore. Even though I haven’t registered, I’ve noticed I can still read Twitter stuff, though I’m guessing I can’t see all the sub-threads or replies, and obviously can’t add anything to the flow. But I can get the gist of things.

    (Learned that first by clicking on the Rams twitter stuff youze guys post here)

    We leftists are an unruly bunch, aren’t we?

    Oh, and another thing I’ve (re)discovered in my recent readings. When living analysts talk about dead philosophers, especially those before the French Revolution, they tend to break down the “sides” as just liberal and conservative. Ancient Greece and Rome, Medieval times, the Enlightenment, etc. That jibes with memories of memories of readings in the past. Kind of catchall terms for the whole swath of what now would be left versus right plus degrees. I prefer the left/right range a great deal more. Far more nuance, degrees, acknowledgement of diversity and differences, etc. etc.

    #123644
    wv
    Participant

    This is the thread, BT. It starts with a poll, but the thread is long.
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    #123664
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Interesting. I liked Brooks’ video, and then watched the earlier exchange between Sam Seder and Dore from 2016? I thought Seder clearly got the best of him there. Even with predictions. It almost sounded as if Dore wanted Trump to win because that would supposedly set the table for a leftist resurgence. How? Why? What’s the logic in that approach? It was always far more likely to set the table for a fascist resurgence, which is exactly what happened.

    It kind of reminds me of the idea behind “herd immunity.” Just let all kinds of people die, as we reach the critical (theoretical) point of 70% infections for the country, and then we’ll be immune, supposedly. Of course, that means mass death, and we’re still not certain it would work.

    Anyway, will add more on the above later. Hope you continue posting observations here as well.

    #123716
    wv
    Participant

    Btw, Twitter blocked my account because i responded to a person who wrote “Lawns should be illegal.” I tweeted back “Kill your Lawn” and i added a link about lawns.

    Twitter blocked my account for “encouraging suicide”.

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    #123723
    Billy_T
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    Btw, Twitter blocked my account because i responded to a person who wrote “Lawns should be illegal.” I tweeted back “Kill your Lawn” and i added a link about lawns.

    Twitter blocked my account for “encouraging suicide”.

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    As the young kids used to say, OMG!!

    I have a small lawn, and I feel guilty for mowing it. Bad for the environment. I looked seriously into getting goats to manage it. Not kidding. They have some services for that around here, and they’re supposed to do a great job. But it’s really, really expensive, and I can’t afford to go that route.

    I did try to shrink it with sections of soil filling and self-sustaining greenery, but there’s still too much grass. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

    #123726
    wv
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    Btw, Twitter blocked my account because i responded to a person who wrote “Lawns should be illegal.” I tweeted back “Kill your Lawn” and i added a link about lawns.

    Twitter blocked my account for “encouraging suicide”.

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    As the young kids used to say, OMG!!

    I have a small lawn, and I feel guilty for mowing it. Bad for the environment. I looked seriously into getting goats to manage it. Not kidding. They have some services for that around here, and they’re supposed to do a great job. But it’s really, really expensive, and I can’t afford to go that route.

    I did try to shrink it with sections of soil filling and self-sustaining greenery, but there’s still too much grass. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

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    My twit suspension was only for 12 hours. I coulda appealed it but i didnt bother.

    As far as lawns, there’s a lot written about how to get rid of em. The slow, gradual approach, bit by bit, or the big single Kill.

    The main thing is to plant NATIVE plants where-ever you get rid of the lawn. Native to your area. This is an example, from California.

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