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  • March 9, 2015 at 1:38 pm #19859
    wv
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    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/nick-foles-eagles-profile/
    Who Is Nick Foles?

    As the Eagles prepare for a brand-new season, quarterback Nick Foles has become the most buzzed-about athlete in town. But does he have what it takes to win us a Super Bowl at last?

    By Buzz Bissinger | June 26, 2014
    Within the physical layout of Westlake High School is a space referred to as the Commons, with an insignia of a W in the middle of the floor. It was a hangout for seniors when Nick Foles was in his final year there in 2006. In the social pecking order at Westlake, the cooler you were, the more you gravitated to the middle.

    That was the observation of Bron Hager. Hager was a latecomer to Westlake, which is located about 20 minutes west of downtown Austin. He had transferred in as a junior from a small private school, and the transition hadn’t been easy. Maybe he was too obsessed with cool, and the middle of the Commons was, well, the middle of the Commons. But Hager noticed something else about the middle: the one person who never wanted to be there.

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    In a school of remarkable achievement and affluence, Nick Foles perfectly fit the Westlake socioeconomic profile and was its BMOC. He was the quarterback of its football team, the Chaparrals, on their way to the Texas state championship game in the highest 5-A classification. He was equally gifted in basketball; he’d started as a freshman. His girlfriend, Lauren Farmer, was a standout cheerleader and homecoming queen. Nick Foles was the middle.

    But Foles pawed around the edges. The only middle he was interested in was a football huddle, and even there, he led by the example of his toughness and arm, which gave receivers chest bruises. He cannoned balls 60 yards flat-footed, and had stand-up pocket presence. He never yelled. The idea of him trash-talking was unthinkable. He had an almost pathological aversion to drawing attention to himself, as if it was sinful. He didn’t have the requisite personality for it, anyway.

    The truth was, Nick Foles was something of a nerd, a guy who hung around with a small posse of mostly non-football nerds — eggheads, kids who would go on to careers in finance and private equity and engineering. A hot Saturday night was getting together at his house to play video games like Call of Duty, or hanging out at Zilker Park on the shores of Lady Bird Lake. “Dude, come on, you’re the quarterback, go out and have some fun,” high-school teammate Matt Nader pleaded with him, fruitlessly.
    He was the kid you wanted dating your daughter, because he would have her home at 9:30 after you said 10. He was socially awkward, with a naive and goofy sense of humor. He dressed as if he had never seen clothes before. His hair was oddly styled in an ersatz pageboy, curling below his ears like a drainage ditch and covering his forehead in uneven wisps, thin grime on a windshield. His face was a cup of Napoleon Dynamite and a tablespoon of golly-gee-willikers and a teaspoon of Gomer Pyle. He tried at school, and even took Latin.

    During his senior spring-break trip to Mexico, while most everyone else spent the afternoon recovering from drinking, he jogged, because there was nothing for him to recover from. He threw a football around with a kid from the Austin area. When Nick asked the kid to name his favorite player, he said, “Nick Foles!” But the kid didn’t recognize that he was having a catch with the actual Nick Foles. And Nick Foles was too reticent to tell him…. see link
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    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/nick-foles-eagles-profile/#pldebMzWHB0j3ayx.99…

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    March 9, 2015 at 1:38 pm #19712
    zn
    Moderator

    Some Eagles fans on Foles

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    He showed that he was an average QB in 2014. The 2013 season seemed to have been more of a case of a dominant O-Line and DeSean Jackson and the introduction of Chip Kelly’s offense. Teams have found film and can gameplan against it now.

    Marc Trestman looked like a genius in 2013 too….

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    I’ve watched all of his tape, and he’s Average…I think he CAN be a starter somewhere but not over some of these proven guys in the NFL

    Just a brief snippet so i dont start a rant 2012: 7 games, 1,699 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 60.8 cmp % 2013: 13 games, 2,891 yards, 27 TDs, 2 INTs, 64 cmp % 2014: 8 games, 2,163 yards, 13 TDs, 10 INTs, 59.8 cmp %

    Foles stat lines are very servicable especially with everyones favorite stat line for reference ever in 2013, but dissecting him for what he is will show you he has alarming issues, like the fact that despite 2013 he is not an Aaron Rodgers type who is careful with the ball, that is simply not him, theres a stat somewhere that has said he has started 59 games in both College and NFL and has thrown 50 INTs, let alone all of the dropped and swatted away INTs that should have been in his Pro Career, another flaw is his pocket pressence is average at best and people can blame it on the O line but Foles was not hurried THAT much more than he was in 2013

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    Foles just played worse. His deep throws we’re off, he didn’t throw receivers open like the previous year and his awesome pump fakes were non-exsistant. He just played worse, it wasn’t all the changes around him.

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    He isn’t a threat with his legs, at all. I don’t doubt in the least that he’s a good NFL quarterback but if the Eagles are all in on Chip then I think we have to lock down a dual threat QB to get the whole effect.

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    I’ll start this off by saying: I’m a huge Foles fan. I think he’ll be a franchise QB in his time in the league, and last year he put the team on his back in multiple situations and is given no credit for it.

    That being said: Chip has a very specific goal of what he wants this team to be, and that vision has Marcus Mariota at the QB spot. I didn’t think we would go after him, but the past two weeks has removed any doubt of that from my mind. We have Sanchez as a backup again who knows the system and Foles has enough tape to make him a very attractive pickup for any team with a QB need. He’s in the final year of his rookie contract so if we’re going to trade him it has to be now.

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    March 10, 2015 at 7:31 am #19751
    zn
    Moderator

    Greg Arias @TNFBExaminer

    Being told by league source that while Titans are in on trade talks with Philly for Foles, Rams are more likely to make the deal right now

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    It’s true that from 2013 and 2014, the Eagles went from 27th in passing attempts to 5th.

    2013 = 31.7 attempts per game, across 16 games that would have the Eagles ranked 25th in attempts.

    2014 = 38.875 attempts per game, across 16 games that would have the Eagles ranked 5th in attempts.

    The difference in his other numbers between 2013 and 2014 is very dramatic.

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    One consideration. The Eagles OL was stellar in 2013, and beat up and not as good in 2014.

    March 10, 2015 at 7:11 pm #19869
    wv
    Participant

    That article i posted is worth reading. Long, but worth reading.

    If for no other reason than to read about the famous Texas Projectile Vomitting Play:

    “….Then Foles, who has a pattern of reducing expectations to nothing only to exceed them since there no longer are any, stepped it up. He started as a junior. He became a star in Texas. His senior year, he led Westlake to the state championship finals against Southlake Carroll, which was undefeated and ultimately named the top-ranked team in the country. Westlake actually led at the half, 15-7, on its way to a major upset. But then, early in the second half, came a most unusual play that not even Chip Kelly has installed and that bears mentioning:

    Southlake Carroll quarterback Riley Dodge, operating out of the shotgun, projectile-vomited right before the snap. This stunned the Westlake defense (talking about it today, some players still seem stunned), which resulted in Dodge throwing a touchdown pass. Westlake was never the same after that and lost, 43-29….”

    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/nick-foles-eagles-profile/#pldebMzWHB0j3ayx.99

    March 10, 2015 at 7:17 pm #19873
    wv
    Participant

    More:

    “…Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback. He lost the state championship in high school, lost both of his bowl games, and looked confused in the second half of the loss to the New Orleans Saints in last year’s playoffs. In 17 pro starts, he’s thrown only one game-winning touchdown pass in the fourth quarter or overtime. (Compare that to Andrew Luck, who threw six in his first two seasons.) Sometimes he just flings it up there in the hope that someone is around to catch it, although without DeSean Jackson, that’s become far less likely. The Eagles also played a weak schedule last year.

    And yet….

    Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/nick-foles-eagles-profile/#pldebMzWHB0j3ayx.99

    March 11, 2015 at 11:35 am #20018
    zn
    Moderator
    wv wrote:

    Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback

    That’s my worry.

    March 11, 2015 at 11:38 am #20021
    PA Ram
    Participant
    zn wrote:

    wv wrote:
    Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback
    That’s my worry.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 2 months ago by PA Ram.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    March 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm #20025
    rfl
    Participant
    wv wrote:

    More:

    “…Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback.

    That limitation would be mitigated IF the Rams develop a solid OL and a really powerful running game.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    March 11, 2015 at 12:30 pm #20027
    nittany ram
    Moderator
    zn wrote:

    wv wrote:
    Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback

    That’s my worry.

    Best case – Foles overcomes his issues and develops into a consistent, solid to good QB.

    Worst case – he’s a temporary place holder for the QB they draft this spring.

    March 11, 2015 at 2:01 pm #20049
    Herzog
    Participant

    I’m drinking the Foles Koolaid. I like him.

    I’m seriously about to order his jersey.

    March 11, 2015 at 2:12 pm #20052
    wv
    Participant
    Herzog wrote:

    I’m drinking the Foles Koolaid. I like him.
    I’m seriously about to order his jersey.

    He is…the One.

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    March 11, 2015 at 2:45 pm #20062
    zn
    Moderator
    rfl wrote:

    “Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback.”

    That limitation would be mitigated IF the Rams develop a solid OL and a really powerful running game.

    I know why you say that…but the way I personally evaluate qbs, comeback ability and playing well in clutch situations is the single most important criterion (after the physical stuff like arm and release and so on).

    And…I don’t know about Foles yet.

    I am not throwing the entire season out. I just don’t know about Foles yet when it comes to clutch situations, and I really count performance in clutch situations higher than almost any other factor…with things like accuracy coming in after that.

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    March 11, 2015 at 3:11 pm #20066
    Cal
    Participant

    He looks pretty good in the clutch to me. He only lost 2 games he started last year.

    In the Eagles 1st loss against the 9ers with the eagles down 26-21, Foles led the offense to the 9ers 1 before he threw two incomplete passes after the 2 minute warning to bring an end to the comeback. Before the last 2 incomplete passes, he was 6/10 for 94 yards.

    In the 2nd loss to the Cards, Foles led the Eagles to a fg that put the Eagles up 20-17 with less than 2 minutes in the game. The Cards responded with a quick 75 yard td pass. Foles then led the offense from the 20 to the Cards 16 in 1:30 or so & two timeouts before running out of time.

    In the 2013 playoff game, Foles last possession was a td drive that put the Eagles up by 1 with 5 minutes left. Brees led the Saints to a game winning fg drive and the Eagles never saw the ball again.

    March 11, 2015 at 3:13 pm #20067
    zn
    Moderator
    Cal wrote:

    He looks pretty good in the clutch to me. He only lost 2 games he started last year.

    In the Eagles 1st loss against the 9ers with the eagles down 26-21, Foles led the offense to the 9ers 1 before he threw two incomplete passes after the 2 minute warning to bring an end to the comeback. Before the last 2 incomplete passes, he was 6/10 for 94 yards.

    In the 2nd loss to the Cards, Foles led the Eagles to a fg that put the Eagles up 20-17 with less than 2 minutes in the game. The Cards responded with a quick 75 yard td pass. Foles then led the offense from the 20 to the Cards 16 in 1:30 or so & two timeouts before running out of time.

    In the 2013 playoff game, Foles last possession was a td drive that put the Eagles up by 1 with 5 minutes left. Brees led the Saints to a game winning fg drive and the Eagles never saw the ball again.

    See that’s the kind of stuff I like to hear about.

    Grading this trade is kind of convoluted.

    There are many possibilities.

    Each coach could be wrong about 1 of the 2 qbs. Or both coaches could be wrong about both of them.

    Or only 1 coach could be wrong, but it depends on which one he is wrong about.

    Or both could be right, but for completely different reasons.

    March 11, 2015 at 3:16 pm #20068
    Herzog
    Participant

    See that’s the kind of stuff I like to hear about.

    Me too Brother, me too.

    March 11, 2015 at 3:45 pm #20079
    Maddy
    Participant

    “I’m pleased to meet you, my name’s Nick”

    “Nick? What does that name mean?”

    “Oh, nothing. My Dad thought of it while he was shaving.”

    March 11, 2015 at 3:48 pm #20083
    wv
    Participant
    Maddy wrote:

    “I’m pleased to meet you, my name’s Nick”
    “Nick? What does that name mean?”
    “Oh, nothing. My Dad thought of it while he was shaving.”

    Too bad the Eagles and Rams
    dont play this year.
    That woulda been fun.

    Who do ya wanna draft, Maddy?

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    March 11, 2015 at 4:04 pm #20089
    Maddy
    Participant
    wv wrote:

    Who do ya wanna draft, Maddy?

    I think there are still enough needs to take the BPA at one of those need positions. OL, LB, CB, QB, WR – take the best guy from the position of least supply, or just take the best guy if you like him best by far.

    I am leery of using an early pick on a questionable or so-so second or third tier QB, just because we need to get one. Mediocre QBs don’t seem that hard to find.

    I do think there is something to the “keep drafting receivers” approach. If one of the big timers are sitting there, I wouldn’t disagree with taking one.

    We need multiple OL. I’d like to dip into that pool kind of early at least once.

    March 11, 2015 at 4:44 pm #20099
    Herzog
    Participant

    I just watched some highlights. I am really surprised at how many of his touchdowns came on play action. He does seem to have some decent pocket awareness.

    March 11, 2015 at 7:35 pm #20137
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    jrry32

    Foles’s arm is averageish. IMO, he’s currently post elbow injury Carson Palmer(which caused Palmer to go from having a strong arm to averageish arm strength).(So Palmer from 2009 to now). Seems like people tend to overstate the arm strength of tall QBs. Might be because of their height, they can throw passes with less arc. But Foles’s arm strength is nothing special. He doesn’t have Flacco’s or even Bradford’s arm strength. Seems like people tend to overstate the arm strength of tall QBs. Might be because of their height, they can throw passes with less arc. But Foles’s arm strength is nothing special. He doesn’t have Flacco’s or even Bradford’s arm strength.

    He has the potential to be more than that if he shores up his footwork and shows more consistency under pressure…if that happens, he can be like prime Matt Schaub or Matt Ryan.

    Why a Ryan comparison? Ryan’s physical tools aren’t impressive(underwhelming mobility, average arm strength, etc.). He’s just a smart, instinctive, and accurate QB. Keep in mind that the knock on young Matt Ryan was that he was a poor deep thrower. Which is one of the big knocks on Foles.

    March 11, 2015 at 8:11 pm #20142
    zn
    Moderator

    Note: X found this

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    Oct 1, 2014

    Fisher: Foles Has All Of The Tools

    Rams head coach Jeff Fisher discussed the state of the Eagles’ run game, his team’s quarterback situation and what he’s seen this season from the Eagles’ quarterback Nick Foles …

    http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Fisher-Foles-Has-All-Of-The-Tools/a046116b-c625-41e2-b929-ad07a03472ee

    March 12, 2015 at 2:16 am #20163
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    EzioAuditore

    Eagles fan here. I hope the trade works out for both teams. I have to be honest, I was not a fan of the deal, and I think Chip Kelly got taken, so I hope he can make something out of Bradford’s talent. Just wanted to come by and share overall thoughts on Foles for having watched him every game he has played in the NFL.

    To give you an opinion on Foles, it has to be broken down by years, because the contrast in his three NFL seasons(specifically 2013 and 2014) are so great. He looked like a completely different QB in both seasons.

    I’ll start with 2013, because 2012 was a disastrous season under Andy Reid, and he only came in because of horrible circumstances. He played okay. He played like you’d expect a rookie to play like.

    2013 was a special year for Nick Foles. He was accurate, decisive, poised, confident. Showed excellent accuracy and touch all over the field. He stepped up into the pocket, he was money on his down-the-field throws. He was very mechanically sound. He never lost confidence in himself, the offense, or his weapons, and that was a huge reason why he finished the season with only two INTs. He even showed some mobility, rushing for around 250 yards. The speed of the offense didn’t phase him, and there was nothing defense threw at him that he couldn’t handle. However, he had a game vs Dallas early in the season where he looked absolutely horrible. Some speculated he was concussed(although this was disputed). He just looked like he didn’t belong on the field. So, how does he follow up that disastrous performance? Throwing for an NFL record 7 TD passes the following game in Oakland. Mental toughness is a pretty strong trait of Foles. That is where Foles’ season really took off. He had an incredible stretch through game #14 vs Minnesota, where the magic started to fizzle out just a tiny bit. But he was still plenty good, and led the Eagles to a playoff birth, and led his offense down to a game leading score against the Saints in the Wild Card round, before the defense let up a late FG.

    2014 was a totally different story. From his first preseason game, he looked uncomfortable. Most Eagles fans chalked it up to offseason rust, but this continued into the regular season. Whenever the slightest bit of pressure got to him, he looked scared, flustered, and uncomfortable. He would backpedal and throw off his backfoot constantly. Looked overwhelmed many a time. Granted, the offensive line had taken many injuries, but they actually protected him pretty well for the most part. He had some games here and there(like against the Redskins) where he took a lot of hits. Nick Foles’ decision-making also took a major hit. He completely missed wide open receivers, made the wrong reads, and forced throws unnecessarily. He had many of those “What in the hell was he thinking?!” throws, to which he had very few, if any, in 2013. Turnovers went way up. Before he got hurt, he was hovering around the NFL lead. Foles still showed signs of quality play, he was just very inconsistent. His best and most impressive game, surprisingly, was probably the home game against the Redskins where he was battered to a pulp. This brings up one of Foles’ best qualities: toughness. It’s odd, because while he did not handle a pass rush well in 2014, when he did get hit, he would get right up and gut it out. He did that, up until the Houston Texans game where he broke his collarbone and it ended his season.

    Foles has always displayed that clutch factor. Foles can play a very poor game, but strap it in, in the 4th quarter and lead his team down for a critical score. He has a cool, calm demeanor and you never see a guy who gets mentally phased out of a game. So, which one is the real Foles? Logic would have one assume somewhere in the middle. I hope closer to 2013 on the scale, since I like Nick and want to see him succeed in the NFL for a long time. I think building his confidence early is key for him in 2015, so he can forget about 2014 and get back to a high level of play again. Having top notch pass protection will be key for the Rams in this regard.

    Other:

    -Foles has a pretty slow delivery on his passes.

    -He has been injured a few times in his career already so far.

    -His arm is stronger than people give him credit for.

    -Very good locker room guy. Class act. Respected by his teammates.

    -Has a basketball background. While he looks very clumsy and oafy at times, he is a half decent athlete for a guy his size.

    -Has a pretty wealthy family. Isn’t one of those “I need to break the bank to support my family” guys. Not sure that will ever impact contract negotiations, but a random factoid nonetheless.

    March 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm #20217
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    SunTzu_vs_Camus

    I think Bradford has 2x the passing skillset of Foles…and I wish Sam well.
    This feels awful lot like Warner vs Bulger. Warner was NOT playing well and Bulger was playing better.
    It hurt cutting Warner but it made sense. Same with Bradford.
    Rams moved on…so we fans move on.

    Bradford was nails in the pocket and threw a strong ball….but very stiff when moving around
    tho he threw very well…he was so stiff.

    I think Foles may have better pocket intangibles & mobilty that may help…and may hurt sometimes.

    Foles can get jumpy feet and lose ALL mechanics but contort
    his body to make the crazy-Favre side arm throw. I like that competitve part of Foles gave – that never gives up on a play
    …but sometimes ya need to!! We’ll get some great plays from Foles…and some stinkers – like those 3 punts he threw against our DBs that we couldn’t catch!! So, we need to draft jump ball specialists in this draft and re-sign Britt.

    Quick, Britt, KWhite would be extra safety for Foles who gets the ball out awkwardly and not always where it should be.

    March 12, 2015 at 5:25 pm #20242
    zn
    Moderator

    EzioAuditore

    Eagles fan here. I hope the trade works out for both teams. I have to be honest, I was not a fan of the deal, and I think Chip Kelly got taken, so I hope he can make something out of Bradford’s talent. Just wanted to come by and share overall thoughts on Foles for having watched him every game he has played in the NFL.

    ETC.

    Some follow up.

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    EzioAuditore

    [in 2014] you could tell from the very first preseason game he just wasn’t the same Nick Foles. He just looked different and uncomfortable in the pocket.

    If I had to guess, I’d say it was a combination of things. For one, I think it’s close to impossible to repeat his 2013 season, so maybe he tried too hard to be the same guy, and he became too mechanical instead of just going out and not thinking too much? That could be part of it. I also think the instability of the offensive line played a role as well. They played well for him at times, but it’s possible he didn’t trust them.

    Nick Foles doesn’t have an impressive skill set. He has a quality arm, but not a rocket. He isn’t overly mobile, he has a slow delivery, and he isn’t smooth or fluid in his movements. Your jaw will never drop watching Nick Foles play football. So I’m thinking it’s also possible that he simply regressed to the mean after his amazing 2013, and maybe it was just one of those drop-off seasons that many players have.

    I think just through experience alone, he’ll get better, so I’d tend to believe he’ll have a better season than 2014 going forward. But, I would never expect him to play like 2013 again. Everything went perfectly for him, including luck. He had several dropped INTs that season, which helped pad his 27-2 TD to INT ratio. He had the best offensive line in football that was healthy the entire season, the #1 rushing attack in football. 2014 didn’t play out as smoothly, and I think all the parts kind of affected each other. Nick Foles more than any of them.

    March 12, 2015 at 7:24 pm #20262
    zn
    Moderator

    A scout’s take on Nick Foles

    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams will officially introduce quarterback Nick Foles to the media at a press conference set for noon ET on Friday.

    It’s probably a safe bet that there will be some gushing from coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead about their new quarterback. While Sam Bradford might be the player in the entire NFL with the most to prove, Foles has his share of doubters as well.

    I shot an email to ESPN NFL Insider scout Matt Williamson, who is a former Cleveland Browns scout, asking him to give me a quick run down on Foles and what he brings to the table in St. Louis.

    Here’s what he had to say:

    “I am not a huge Foles fan, but he has some ability. He is a big passer who is a decent athlete with an above average arm. By looking at his TD/INT numbers from 2013, you would think he values and protects the football extremely well. He does show those traits at times, but Foles was also about the “luckiest” QB in the NFL in 2013. By that, I mean that KC Joyner has a QB Bad Decision Metric and in 2013, Foles made plenty of bad decisions/throws that he didn’t pay for with an INT or turnover.

    In 2014, that started to even out in a big way. The Eagles Chip Kelly offense also wasn’t as unfamiliar to the rest of the league in 2014 and Foles didn’t have an awesome OL to protect him, as he did in 2013. During last season, his pocket presence/poise began to be a red flag and the pressure disrupted him and he perceived pressure that wasn’t there at times.”

    Foles, of course, had a rough 2014 after a breakthrough 2013 in which many thought he was developing into a possible franchise answer in Philadelphia. He suffered a broken clavicle that limited him to eight games and he had his share of struggles, though the Eagles were 6-2 at the time of his injury.

    As Williamson points out, one of the biggest questions for Foles will be how he can transition to the Rams offense. It’s unlikely the Rams are going to drastically alter what they do, which means Foles will be asked to be on target and on time with a lot of play action passes spun off the run game. Foles’ primary job will be to protect the ball and make good decisions. His career numbers indicate that hasn’t been a huge issue but as Williamson mentioned, there have been some notable warning signs.

    Foles will also have to prove he can stay healthy for the entire season. His injury history is nowhere near what Bradford’s is but durability is going to be paramount if Foles hopes to evolve into a long-term solution in St. Louis.

    March 14, 2015 at 11:44 am #20509
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

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    theohall

    Chip Kelly runs a QB-driven offense. It’s a much better tool for looking at what Foles can and cannot do. He played some horrific halfs last season, while at the same time, playing complimentary terrific halfs in the same game. The problem – you never know what you’re going to get game-to-game from Foles. Inconsistency might as well be his middle name.

    Heck – watch the opener vs the Jags last season. First half – Foles is a disaster. 2nd half – picks them apart, mostly using the TE. Other games, this flips where the first half is great, but the 2nd half sucks.

    March 14, 2015 at 11:52 am #20513
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    One of the main things that separates good players from bad, is simply being able to be consistant. It is almost the definition of good vs bad. imo Foles is going into year 4 at QB, so it is reasonable to think he will get better. After the 4th year you probably have hit a peak.

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    March 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm #20516
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    even the great qbs had dips in performance at the start of their career.

    it was probably a combination of things. bad luck, injuries, and defenses had some film on him.

    it then comes down to how foles adjusts.

    i don’t think he was as good as 2013 suggests, but he isn’t as bad as 2014 either. he’s still young and can get better.

    March 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm #20539
    wv
    Participant

    ========================
    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/14/8135931/eagles-nick-foles-sam-bradford-trade-move-on-tape-all-22-film-rams
    See link….here’s an excerpt…

    So why did the Eagles decide to move on from Foles? (links are GIFs to not slow down the page)

    Early in his season he scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep passes were poor. And his short passes too.

    In the middle of his season he was better about scrambling from a clean pocket, but still threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.

    And at the end of his season he again scrambled from clean pockets, threw off his back foot, did not see open receivers and his deep and short passes were poor.

    Every player has a bad game now and then. But throughout the season, Foles never corrected any of these mistakes. It would be one thing if he had a bad stretch. But this was a bad season. Yes, the offense wasn’t catching anyone by surprise this season, there were injuries and subtractions, and the running game wasn’t as good. If Nick Foles needs a strong offensive line, a strong running game, a particular style of position coach, a top tier deep threat and an offense that no one has seen before to succeed…. then the Eagles were absolutely right to move on from him.

    But even when he had all those things, the mistakes were still there. In 2013 he had a healthy, strong offensive line. He had a dominant running game. He had DeSean Jackson on the field and Bill Lazor on the sideline. And the offense was new.

    And yet, he still made the same mistakes he did this season.

    March 14, 2015 at 7:46 pm #20540
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    Laram dont think Foles is the answer.

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    Laram
    My hope is that Foles does extremely well, but I have some serious concerns.

    … the answer in my mind is if you’re getting rid of Bradford, upgrade.

    They got a player that’s healthy, now…but is he better?

    I don’t think so.
    …
    The Rams apparently had options, for their were other team(s) that had interest in Bradford.

    The Rams chose Nick Foles as the catalyst for the trade.

    I think they chose the wrong catalyst.

    The Rams need a franchise qb. They still don’t have one.
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    Laram

    Well considering my views of Nick Foles and what he brings to the table, I would have to consider several other options.

    Let’s say Cleveland was one of the other teams with interest. They have two 1st rd picks, 12 and 19th.

    Could the Rams have traded Bradford to them for their 12th pick, 19th?

    Could they have then traded their 10th and 12th or 19th to move up for Winston?

    Or how about IF as you say the 2016 qb class is better than 2015, stockpile picks for next year and play the season with your boy Keenum?

    Or how about Bradford to Cleveland for Hoyer and one of their 1st rd picks?

    How about making some calls around the league being proactive, instead of waiting for somebody to call you.

    That’s what most teams do when they actually want to move a player.

    I’m spit balling here but with some reasonable options IMO.

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